Yeah, there's a big speed difference between a 8 turn and a 19 turn. But the difference between the 2 in a pede would not be as much as in a TC3. The whole thing with a pede is that its a go "anywhere" type of truck and the speed from an 8 turn is way too much (IMHO). Unuseable power is a waste, and the extra maintenance an 8 turn requires really makes it an unwise choice. The 8 turn could be fun for a pack or two, but chasing the truck around because it's flipping all over the place would get old fast.

I would always recomment the RPM bearing carriers as an upgrade, no matter what motor you're going to run.

Hey all!

Just got back for a brief restocking in between camping trips. Summer sucks huh? OL!

Chiming in on the 8T vs 19t thing... With all cars and trucks you have an ideal gear selection. With touring cars you can run very low turn motors for racing but they run VERY hot, blow through brushes and generally are good for one-maybe two 5 minute heats between rebuilds and new brushes. On the Stampede the general consensus is that with it's transmission and the much larger size of it's tires, you should run a pinion gear that is at least two teeth smaller than the number of turns of your motor. If you are running tires like the M2Ks that are larger than the stock, maybe 3 teeth fewer (with the 87T spur gear) is right. The trouble is that with these 48 pitch gears, you can't make anything less than a 12 tooth pinion- just not enough material. So, even a 13 turn motor is pushing the gearing limit. Lots of us run 13T motors (and they get hot and need brushes more often) and don't mind the extra work but to go down to an 8, other than for an experiment to see just how silly fast it could be? I wouldn't think it was worth killing the motor. A 19 turn (my fave being the Cameleon 2 Pro) will give you lots of runs before needing too much attention, decent speed and decent run time out of your batteries.

I guess I'm Odd, for what I use my Pede for, the 19 turn is a little over kill, but OK. I normally keep stock (or stockafied) in it.

i would like to try a lathe motor in the pede. but no one local has them in and tower is out again. or a 23t motor. but i did finally get a new tranny case. but i drove about 50 miles round trip to get it :D ! so i have that to install. right now i have been building a micro drifter to take on vacation.

my friend is getting married and he wants to run a bit to decompress before the wedding goes down.

well i will post new pic sof the new RX installed after i install the tranny case.

the pede LIVES!

tranny is rebuilt with a new case. and a few new rubber sealed bearings. i used the old rpm bumper that was on the truck when i got as a temp rear skid plate. ran it for a few minutes. semeed to work welll and the price was the best! ;)
and here are the new pics.
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and the body sags becouse i removed the rear body posts to install the 2 top tranny screws and left it off to get a quick run in before it got to dark. :D

Loooking good!

I like the RPM skidplate. That is such a simple cheap solution. Makes ya wonder why others haven't done it....

Loooking good!

I like the RPM skidplate. That is such a simple cheap solution. Makes ya wonder why others haven't done it....

thanks.

will try and use and abuse it some tonight and tomarrow before we hit ohio on wednesday. going out of town for a wedding. and the whole family is going. this week my wife and kids worked at the girls Jr league world series. final game was saturday. ther kids i am went to eastern washington to visit with their great grandma. nbut we made it abck for the final game.

later


chris have you runn your tlt or pede? i was interested in your prp chassis mods

Here's my buggy at last weekends race....

http://shortrac.com/images/2005/FTMS/images/IMG_1195_jpg.jpg

I broke in the Main, but finished 2nd in Masters (19 turn Truck)

And a Blurry pic of the Masters top 3. (Me on the Right.)

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/v306/dakotah97/DSCN0084.jpg

The TLT is gone. Sold down the river. I got rid of a ton of my stuff recently. The boys have totally lost interest in the hobby and I needed cash for bike related stuff anyway. I still have the Pede and one XXXT. Jess still has his (Tom's old) XXX4. None of them has been run in over a month. Now that vacation is over (finally! we have been camping and travaelling for almost a month and I am worn out. Ready to go back to work on Monday if you can beleive that!) maybe we will get out and run them for a while. I suspect that if I charge things up and head out the door i will find a couple of tag-alongs. At least one. Jess still wants to see what the XXX4 will do with my brushless in it. So do I for that matter. :)

tom very cool pics!
looks like you did very well even with the breakdown in the main.

what are the buggy and truck you race?

we got into ohio at 11pm local time last night. we flew close to 3k to travel 2,200miles! no pede running till i get home. but should have my micro drifter out with my friend car. i sent him a new pan chassis for his micro and has yet to run it. but he does have a kyosho javalin(he has had it since it first came out). and i am itching to drive it. drove a for i bit back in high school, but i was not so hot with the dual stick radio :D

well chris i am sad to see the tlt go. most of the guys who have sold theirs off have come back to them. did you get another new bile of just get some goodies to go along woth the one you bought a few months ago.

but i did run the truck before i left, and i dig the rpm wheelie bar action. i need to remount it though. need nlonger screws.


well have a good week all

-peter-

Thanks Peter, I wish I could take credit for the pics but I just stole them from others! I'm running a Losi XXXT MF2 truck and a Losi XXX Kinwald 1 buggy.

Chris - the brushless in the XXX4 will be REAL fast! I was wanting one for it before I sold it to you.....

I wish I could get another new one! No, this is more in line with keeping the old beasts going! I am lovin' the new(er) mtb but it still has some "issues" that need to be worked out. I was very ahppy on a ride this week though in that I made it over and through some stuff on that bike that I haven't made before. Lots of factors but I will take all the little victories I can!

Chris

Doo - Do - doot - de dooo......... :tongue: Howdy Gents! Sure has gotten slow around here! Life goes on I guess.

well i added a nnovak Bl to the pede the other day!
way to much fun :D
but still need to do a wide pede conversion.
and i do have clod rims for a clod-O-pede but not sure it that is the way to go or not.

Hi Tom and all. The slower it gets here seems in direct relationship to how busy we are. Hope everyone is doing well and has enjoyed their summer. Did get a chance exchange emails with Chris and it sounds like he is moving at 100 MPH (not his RC's) him and the family, even sounded happy to be back at work.

Our summer season went well and a lot of stuff is happening here right now camp wise which is keeping me very busy. Kevin finished his dive certification on Sat. and was out diving on Sun. Thats a new feeling for a concerned parent.

Anyway guys, take care.

Just missed yeah, Hi Peter.

I'm going racing Saturday, haven't done much of that this summer.

Yup, RC runs in cycles, people get older & loose interest or gain it.... It's just the way it is. I may end up really cutting back in the next couple years.... we'll see.

Hey all!

Just popped in to say hi. Yup life is indeed a tad crazy! Both guys are in new schools (and loving them, thank goodness!) but it involves lots of logisitical juggling. I now have to drive #2 to school each day. Initially that looked like killing any chance of riding my bike to work but it turns out that I can leave the car and hop on the bike and still get in a bike commute. Of course one of the reasons to ride was to save gas. That isn't exactly working but it sure helps with the fitness and sanity!

Turns out to be good to be back at work! I was struggling with how I felt the whole 4 weeks I was on vacation. Seems it was allergies! When I am here at work I am in a highly filtered cleanroom. On vacation, I am just sucking pollutants and pollen. Being back has, strangely enough, given me more energy. Go figure.

Peter, Gearing the 5800 for Clod tires with the Pede's 2.72 tranny is going to be tough. Even a 92/13 might not be low enough. Just watch those temps! And report back!

Nothing R/C on my end. I keep thinking about them but that is all. I have no idea what I would do with the tons of spare parts I have if I ever decide to truely bail on the hobby. One of these days I have to at least hit the shop and clean it up some. Such a mess!

Hope all are well.

Chris

hey all!

Just thought I would stop by and say hello. There may actually be some R/C in my immediate future! My youngest son and I are planning to go on a Dad/child overnight with his school in a couple weeks. It is down by the beach on Cape Cod at a camp that I know has plenty of space to run the trucks! Although Sean sold off his Pede I still have mine and the XXXT so we should be able to have some good fun. Who knows? Maybe we can spark some interest in his classmates. The school draws kids from all over so it isn't likely to develop driving buddies but who knows?

Spent last weekend doing a fund raising bicycle ride (staying at this same camp actually one of the nights). 3 days, 160 miles for the Lung Association. Other than riding through POURING rain on Friday (the remnants of Ophelia) it was a blast! Lots of good people and fun were had. Our team has also raised about $15K so far and that is all good!

Take Care!

Just got back for my Myrtle Beach vacation, What a great time. Back to the grind.

How the heck are you?

we are all doing okay here. my wife gets to go to hawaii for 7days in th ebegining of october. my son is playing fall baseball. he is the youngest kid on the team, but he plays as good as the 13yr olds on the team. he has made some stella plays. Em made a select softball team with ease the other weekend...now to figure out how to pay for it!....i am very tired...have been doing PT again. and this week i will go 5 days a week. witch is a good ad thing.

i have been running the pede on a regular basis. it is a blast with the Bl in it. scott wont run it becouse it scares him it's soo fast. the mashers balloon huge when it gets into a 3 wheel turn or upside down.

Hello Guys,

Good to hear from you all. Nothing RC to report on other than the wind is starting to change and flying will be a high priority soon.

Camp has moved into it's fall mode and we are looking forward to the smaller groups and less daily work. We are going to build a house this winter for our Ranger and his new wife. As well as some other minor projects. Assuming the weather does not prevent it.

Kevin is SCUBA diving every weekend now and loving it. Lots of good experianced divers around here for him to dive with so we feel confident he is being safe.

Take care. B

"your ranger"? Where is he located? Two harbors? He isn't associated with the camp is he? Is this a community project? Sounds cool. Good way to spend those horrid winters. You get temps all the way down to the 50's, don't you? :p

I'm talking about Mark, the guy that has worked for me for almost 8 years. He has been living in the house on the hill behind my place. But, now that he is married we are going to double the size of his house.

Mid 50's maybe.

Bye bye

Sounds like an ambitious project. Can't be any worse than your water tower though right? I wish great weather on you despite my out and out jealousy! It was 47 degrees this morning for my ride to work. On bike, of course...

ChrisHarris---remember me? Mike Once Co-owner of RC excitement in Worc, Now Fitchburg. Hey Listen I have this Electric Rustler i built for my son, We never use it I'm trying to sell it, If you or some one you know maybe interested Shot me a e-mail @ www.Mgordo1027@hotmail.com (http://www.Mgordo1027@hotmail.com) . It's hopped with all the RPM goodies, 14T Motor, Basic Servo, All Hinge pins, ball ends, Alum Shocks, Indestructable stadium truck Even more so than stock......LMK

Hey Mike!

How's it going? I have pretty much fallen away from the RC world completely. Still have my race truck and my Pede but they just sit in the basement. I will have them out in a couple weeks for some showing off on a trip my kid's school has set up. I might get some interest out of that crowd. I will keep your Rusty in mind. Sounds like a nice truck and they make great intro vehicles.

Chris

Hey all!

Just got back from my weekend on the Cape where I got a chance to show off the Pede and XXXT to the kiddies!

We have had 9 straight days of rain but this morning the sun was out and the ground drying fast. Started with the Pede (running the 5800 w/ 90/16). Gather round all! The "can I drive it, can I drive it?" began to echo through the camp. I handed off to one kid and pulled out the XXXT. Even with a Chameleon in it, (and my best batteries) it ran about as fast as the Pede which is undergeared to prevent meltdowns. Soon both radios were out of my hands and the trucks were flying all over the place. I moved everyone into a somewhat open area with a basketball court, sand roads and grass. I figured it would give the kids less to hit. They STILL found things to hit. Boats, people, trees, the usual.

The Pede came out completely unscathed. Well, the body is more trashed but that is to be expected. The XXXT quit on me for unknown reasons (between battery swaps so it is pretty mysterious). Only ran though 4-5 packs but it was a great show.

As I hoped, there was one boy who came up with his Dad full of questions. Seems the kid has been researching trucks for quite sometime. I gave him my e-mail address and pointed him here as a source of info and cheap used trucks! I stressed that a Pede was probably the very best choice out there. he wanted to build the kit for himself which I am all for but in terms of durability you just can't beat a toughened up Pede. I think I suscceeded in steering him clear of nitros for his first truck. I told him and his Dad that nitro was fine if he had no neighbors and really wanted to work on his trucks a lot. We shall see.

Of course folks just HAD to ask what they cost. I tried to play conservative pointing out that you could get a RTR Pede for $150ish or a XXXT RTR for $250. Once you get into details though the $600-$800 REAL price of my pede starts to rear it's ugly head. And that doesn't count the stuff you break or wear out or just trade through because it wasn't "right". Hey, it's all good fun, right?

sounds like you had some fun!

my pede is down for the moment, i destroyed the rear rims chris sent with it :D. i have decided against a clod-O-pede and have been looking at maxx rims. i want to add 1-2 inches to the strock chassis to run maxx bodies. still trying to figure out a wide pede options for me....i thought i had a good plan to mod some rear arms, but i miss drilled the holes. think i may order some hpi rush nitro arms and give them a shot.

the fullforce alloy front arms are very tempting. but i wanted to keep the truck as plastic as i could. am afraid if i go alloy bling i may not want to run it like a i do. and i have a used billet rc18t on the buy list. but it looks like the seller is getting cold feet....

we just have been watxhing the leaves change and fall, and scott had been doing fall baseball. the last game was today, wich is good/bad. he was playing great with the older kids. he had some steller plays at 2nd, short and in center feild. he id get beane dint he calf muscle today. but he sat a inning and shook it off and ran to center.


later alll
hope eveyone is doing well

The only problem I see with aluminum stuff- other than the weight is that it moves the impact of a crash to another part. The only aluminum I have on my Pede now is a front shock mount. The impact that reaches that far can't really travel anywhere. And they were such a pain to replace that I decided not to do it again.

I have aluminum front and rear arms and a rear shock tower (blue, of course) if anybody is interested!

i was going to try evader front and rear shock towers on it. but i wanted to keep the pede as stock-ish as i could. i did not want o get into aother heavy mod truck. the only thing for sure is i will do a wide pede conversionof some sort. i hate having to have two different offset rims. i want to be able to cross use as many rims/tires and bodies that i can.


but boy i just realized i really missed everyone over here!

later all!!!!

I never try to start out with an exact cost on stuff because it's so subjective. The initial investment in the vehicle is fairly level cost wise, but the accessories (Batteries, Charger, etc) can be so different. I rarely tell someone what I have into my vehicles, but rather tell them a range they could spend to get something similar or "as good" for themselves.

I also explain that the initial investment may seem high to them, but the cost afterwards is minimal because with Hobby class vehicles if something breaks the vehicle isn't junk like a Toys-R-Us R/C. The vehicles are repairable for usually under $10, and can be upgraded a little at a time for even more durability.

Kinda funny, I just had this talk with a lady at the track this last Saturday, She wants to get an E-Maxx for her son as his 1st "real" R/C. She said he wanted a 4wd monster truck so that left the Stampede out, but I did explain the difference between Hobby class & toy-r-us vehicles and she seemed very happy with the info I gave her.

Yes indeed the cost of the truck is the tip of the iceberg! I told this Dad and son that before they did anything they HAD to get in touch with me. I have so many older battery packs and chargers that I will never use but would be great for a new comer to the hobby. I can save them tons on the initial outlay. Once he gets the bug though, he is on his own!

Once he gets the bug though, he is on his own!
Ain't that the truth! It is amazing how fast the $5 & $10 parts add up! I sat down in 1995 and figured how much money I had spent on RC stuff, I has been in it for about 2.5 years and racing for 1.5 at that time.... I was over $5000 & that was being able to remember most everything I bought!

If I could do that now I'd probably have a stroke when the final tally displayed!

Sticker shock is a killjoy to Newbs, but you gotta pay to play in whatever you do these days. Gotta get away from the "toy" mindset, RC is no more expensive than any other sport or hobby. Professional Shooting? Good guns cost some $$. Golf? Clubs, balls, & greens fees add up REAL fast. It goes on and on........

How about skiing? Yup, there are tons of ways to toss money away. Might as well be in r/c!

but you have to remeber, for the most part you will not find any more helpfull and friendly people in the RC hobby. i think the people have kept me in the hobby more then the fun, challenge and excitement of new kits, racing and modding.

And it has been the lack of people to run with that has moved me away, sadly. The closing of our LHS was really painful. It was great to be able to go over and just chat. now there isn't a shop anywhre near that I know of. Never give up though!

"the lack of people to run with that has moved me away, sadly."

That's how I ended up with over 30 rc's. I have two of almost everything, and usually 3. I play in the yard with them, and if someone else wants to play, there's an extra.
-Brian

Ah, that's my problem! I need a bigger yard. Or friends...:)

OK, I miss all you guys. I figured I would bump this to the top and see if anybody is actually out there.

Jess and I hit the track for a few hours of practice today! Took the Pede (of course, this being the Pede page...) my XXXT and his XXX4. The track, has changed since we last went. It was a new facility and nobody really knew what the clay/dirt would turn into. Well, it has turned to rock! We are NOT talking nice smooth blue groove. We are talking hard and rough with a variety of rock sizes sticking up every whre. Ruts and holes, of course. And off the beaten path, deep loose dusty whatever. We had a blast!

Traction was... No, traction wasn't. The Pede with it's M2Ks was a monster handfull. It would spin at almost no notice (with the 5800, of course). The XXXT was somewhat Better even though the tires were stll way wrong (some sort of pins). The only one who had any sort of traction was Jess and that was because of the 4WD. I ran a couple packs through the Pede and gave up. The XXXT did better once I learned how to drift it through pretty much the whole track, using throttle for the turns.

We dropped the brushless into Jess's buggy (well, we shoe-horned it in, not really a dropp) and it was a bloody rocket! Insanely fast. He touched full throttle once he said, on the back straight but it clealry never got up to full speed. He is hooked!

I am not sure which was more fun, watching how well he was able to get his buggy around (with two other XXX4s out that the same time, one with the same motor/ESC!) or how badly he stunk when I gave him a shot at my truck. He could not keep it from doing donuts! it was hilarious. Especially after all the grief I got for taping the pipes when I drifted out to far on corners.

We broke NOTHING! A first for a visit to the track, especially after such a long lay-off. Jess wants to make this a regular thing again but our lives are way busier and their having added on-road racing on Saturdays has taken that off the calendar as a time we might run. Time will tell.

First on the agenda is setting up a speed trap for his buggy! With a 7 cell. :freak:

Take care all. Hope you are all doing well.

well glad you guys had some fun. i had droped the Bl in the evader St.,..bad idea..pack, pack and a half i blew the tranny. i did race my pro4 in a spec stock race last weekend. i didn't finish last :D but i struggled with setup all weekend. so feel i met my goals. witch was to start and finish all the races. witch may not sound like a lot but it was for me. made me want tace the pro4 and m-18 on a regular basis.

we are also trying to get a micro truck class running at the track. we are building some jumpos for on the carpet. the class will be 3 rc18t-s and a xray m-18t. i will be the last one going brushless in it. i have to mamba 25 escs but no motor yet.

the pede is wating a over haul. i busted up[ a rer rim and it just needs a little tlc. a diff rebuild and a switch to hinge pins. i got a N pede roller for parts from a friend. but hope to get the Bl back inthe pede by the end of the week. i would love to see a xxx-4 run with on in it! must be insane!

well hope everyone is doing well.

nice to see this thread alive again,

Our track runs 1/18th two times a week off-road. It is bizarre though in that the group all of them together so you have these mini-Ts, RC18T's and TLT's together? That is not exactly a fair fight! :p I think they do it in the dirt AND on the carpet with jumps. I haven't made it to the races in so long I don't really know.

I can totally relate to wanting to finish all your heats. I don't remember how often I would DNF because of busting something or whatever and how frustrating that was. Just to finish is an accomplishment. That was one reason we were so blown away at not breaking anything last night! Of course we didn't have other cars running you into the pipes or pushing you too deep into the straights leading to the "WALL" :cry:

On a different note (well, sort of), I bought a used and beat-up BRP 1/18th on-road car a while back. The sucker, dead stock would do 18 mph! It was crazy. RC Driver just completed a three-part test of that car, the Xray and the Micro 1/18th. The results were as I expected. They put literally hundreds into the XRay and Micro, replacing basically everything with aftermarket stuff and nothing but a brushless motor and ESC into the BRP and the BRP schooled them. Completely! It almost makes me want to go get another new one, drop in a Mamba and go play on the carpet. A 1/10th scale carpet track, even a tight one like ours would be a bloody interstate for a BRP. The trouble with on-road, as I found when I breifly owned a XXXS is the only place to run it is at the track. But with a BRP you could have a race ready truck for about $200 including the stupid fast motor. (assuming you, like I, have spare radio gear and servos). Not going to happen right now but it is a fun thought.

rc driver disapeared off the shelves around here! i was looking ofrward to the 3rd part of the story. i have always been tempted by the brp cars. but i always go with one of the major brands.... not sure why?? i think ijust hate haivng to order everything online...thining of getting a way large Bl fo rthe rc18t....i like the kosho half8 and it's pretty big :D so i can swap out the rc18t Bl setup in the new truck. but right now it's all just dreams in my head


i finished 2 heats in 2wd. one heat i blew out the drive cup that holds the drive shaft to the front diff :D and the B main! :) i destroyed the front one-wau drive gear. was making such a noise their were 3-5 guys trying to figure out the noise :D i go tthe car all rebuilt and cleaned for some mre run time. just waiting for my motor to be rebuilt. a motor builder for team brood is going to look at it for me. they are not the friendliest guys but they build some nice motors.

have a great weekend guys!

Peter, send me a PM with your e-mail address and I will scan the BRP article and send it your way. (I think I can find it). :-)

It's ALIVE!!! :) This thread that is!

Nice to see some traffic again! I've been laying low gearing up for the indoor season at my favorite track. Racing there begins next Saturday, Mod Truck, Stock Buggy, & E-Maxx. Woo-hoo! They also have a nice 4wd & Mini class, I used to run both before I sold the XXX4 and Mini-T. Got to admit the 4wd class is a riot, alot of BL systems in that class and alot of 10 turn and lower motors. Wicked fast, if I could have afforded a BL system I probably would have kept the XXX4, the maintenance on a 10 turn is killer!

Take care gents!

When Jess had my BL in his buggy there were two other guys with XXX4's. On with the same set-up, the other with something maybe a bit faster. The guy with the brushed motor had maybe 3/4 the run time and I have no doubt did some heinous damage to his brushes through their games. Never did hear how many turn motor he had in there. He was by far the better driver! Just wouldn 't have lasted much past the 5 minute mark if that.

We just got back from speed trapping Jess with the BL in it. Not as fast as we thought, only doing 34 mph. We did have it geared the same as at the track though where he never over heated it at all so no doubt we could have gone up quite a few teeth before anything bad happened. That, and 7 cells might just happen. :freak: Then I will take it back! I want to try it in the XXXT but I suspect it will have more power than my meager driving skills can deal with.

Good luck at the track Tom!

Hi Guys,

It was great to see all of you posting again. It has been weeks since I even checked to see if anyone was checking in. Just happen to do so today and there you were.

No RCing on this little island but today I watched a fog bank move through the isthmus at about 20 MPH and that is the wind I need to fly with. First time this year the wind was doing it's normal thing. If it holds I'll be up there as much as possible.

Take care,
Bill

Bill! Hows the island life?

I think I'm ready to go racing again, got all the cars tweaked & proded back into shape (I hope!). My oldest is coming back home for Thanksgiving & shipped all his new R/C stuff home so he can go racing with me on the 26th. I'm really looking forward to that! Hopefully my youngest will be working again & have the time off & money to go with us. A little disconcerting that he quit his old job (for valid reasons) but doesn't seem really gung-ho about searching out another one. My wife and I don't know what to think. He's going on his 3rd week unemployed, owes us money for Insurance and phone bill & soon won't have any $$ for gas to get out and look for something. Worried Parents I guess.

Hi Tom,

Island life has been good. People are happy, weather is fine, and life seems worth doing. I'm a lucky guy.

I read your post with interest. Even though mine is looking at at least 5 more years of parent support this was his first summer of "working" and lets say he was not quite into it. He did OK but I felt I was reminding of his comments far to often. He should do fine but it made me think about the times they need help and support and return to the parents for it. I hope things work out for your son because I've seen far to many father/son relationships get all screwed up over this very issue.

Racing with both of them again will be a great time for all of you. Hope you have fun with both of them and do well racing to boot.

Let us know how it goes, I'll keep tabs on the thread and watch for your post.