I know what you mean, Ted. I am retired and can barely afford the fuel. And gasoline hit $2.05 per gallon for 97 octane in Indy yesterday.

I'd retire now except I couldn't afford the fuel.
Yeah guys,

This makes me kind of glad I am not racing karts anymore(Race fuel at $8/gal and $35 qt. caster oil) and gas to drive to Kershaw, Lowes, etc from Cleveland at $2.00 gal for fuel. Ouch!!! These fuel prices are ging to hurt every form of racing all over the country. Sad.

Ray

Based on everything I have read......We at the DRCCC do not have a place to run next year. Our long-term vision is to be able to host national and world championships. To do that we need to grow the club. To do that we need a place to run with lot's of visibility. The sad part of our eviction is that we are not the only ones who will suffer. The nearby businesses, Wal-mart & assorted restaurants, will suffer as well. The reality of our situation is that if do not find a place to run next year we will be running down in Toledo and wind up staying there. For those of us who set up and take down the track, and you know who you are, the time committment is the same but instead of sore backs we'll have sore butts and lighter wallets (all hail $2/gal of gas!!). Hence, to concur with Tom, we need a committee whose sole purpose is to find potential sites, assemble proposals and present them to the various municipalities/institutions i.e. The Palace. Who is interested?

hey .. anyone know a website for the Toledo track ... the one posted here earlier doesnt go anywhere ... it was ... www.oneightracers.com (http://www.oneightracers.com) .... thanks a bunch in advance ...

E
:dude:

The web address is:

www.oneeighthracers.com

Bobby, thanks again for the help saturday with the ol' G4. Rich Chang is still my hero! J Longbrake

Jason - you are such a freak! :p Will you be at Toledo on the 30th? Hopefully I will have my car ready to go by then.

Jason - you are such a freak! :p Will you be at Toledo on the 30th? Hopefully I will have my car ready to go by then.
I would think so, Jeff and I plan on running there the whole summer.

Props to the Toledo guys on the track surface, I didn't think that I would ever see a track smoother than Joyce.

thanks Rich .. hopefully I will be able to come down and play sometime soon ... I need to get My gas car dialed in .... and get used to this gas stuff too ... laters

E
:dude:

I have a questions regarding tires & tire truers. Some truers i.e. Integy, Hudy, have a feature that allows you to cut the tires to induce/simulate camber. When should one use this feature (1/8, 1/10, 1/12, gas electric) and how much of an angle is required vs camber setting on the car?

Steve your running gas 1/10th sedan no need to worry about it. Just make sure the truer is set at zero.

Thanks Ray. Guess I just shortened the life of a set of tires. Oh well........

Know any sun dances for Sunday??

For all you Mugen people out there there is a new dark blue shock spring that is supposed to work well. Its diameter is listed as 1.8 mm which is the same as the gray spring. What is the difference?? Like a lot of people I already have the gray springs and do not feel like spending money on something I may already have.

Steve shocks are listed in metric nm's or lbs in SAE. It has nothing to do with diameters. :rolleyes:

SPRagan, you are correct. The gray and the new dk blue both use 1.8mm wire. Unfortunately Mugen and other non US companies don't give a spring rate, just wire size. I'm guessing they do this because, as I'm sure we all know, the thicker the wire the stronger the spring rate. Plus, the tighter the coils (more coils per inch) the less progressive the spring rate. Anyway, I played with the gray, lt blue, and dk blue springs and found (and I may be incorrect) that in stiffness the dk blue springs are between the gray and lt blue. I have been running the new springs and like them a lot, well worth the $$$. The previous has been my opinion.

If a spring is the same wire diameter the total length will change the spring rate. So, if they are all 1.8mm dia the rates will be different depending on the length of the wire, not the length of the spring. As mcsquish says, a tighter wound spring will be softer, because the length of the wire is longer.

The only time a spring is really progressive is if some coils are really close together (usually at the ends) so they go into coil bind and are no longer functioning as part of the spring. Then the overall length of wire being used is less.

Ted

I know it's only Tuesday, but, where can we race this weekend. Last week there were two choices this week...NONE. The only place I know of is Mentor,which is seven hours driving in one day..nope, not me!

Might have to have an unofficial practice day at Toledo on Sunday.

Ted

I think Toledo is closed for maintenance. This response is not really directed at you in particular. I know its a long trip for everybody, but look at it this way, they will come to our race, so it is not a bad idea to try to support theirs. Perhaps people could try to share the driving with someone. I can understand if its too much for one day, but the series had the goal of making them one day events.

I actually used to live in the Cleveland area before moving here, and I've driven often back and forth. The drive to downtown Cleveland is about 2 and half hours via turnpike. Not that I'm saying your estimate is inaccurate, cause you've been to the indoor champs, so you probably have a good idea of driving time.

Just while I'm here, we'll be hosting club meeting thursday July 1st 6:30 at Max and Erma's. We'll be talking about the rest of the year's schedule, and plans for next year's site. This will be important meeting, we have some crucial decisions to make.

I just checked there website and they have a club race scheduled for Sunday June 27th. I've never been there before and the Tri-State 200 is on for the following weekend. I'm heading there on Saturday for practice and the club race Sunday. I'm lookin' forward to doin some superspeedway racing!!! It'll be like Talladegga........... Daytona or somethin' like that anyway! Wind that baby up!!

the track........I think will be down until July 2nd or 3rd. I think Ted mentioned something about painting the track.

I just checked there website and they have a club race scheduled for Sunday June 27th. I've never been there before and the Tri-State 200 is on for the following weekend. I'm heading there on Saturday for practice and the club race Sunday. I'm lookin' forward to doin some superspeedway racing!!! It'll be like Talladegga........... Daytona or somethin' like that anyway! Wind that baby up!!
RayJ,

Take some big gears with you, that straight is real long. I have not run a 1/8 car there, yet, it should be a blast.

I can't go this Saturday and next weekend I have to be at the airport Sunday evening but I might go down for Saturday and Sunday morning.

I'm still thinking about Mentor for Sunday, the problem is we are having Eric's party Saturday afternoon and evening so leaving early Sunday might be a little tough.

Is the DRCCC moving to a new site?

I have talked to a lot of racers that have not been out to the DRCCC site to race, they say its because the DRCCC is always on the road supporting another track. I hope the DRCCC club grows.....I've been out to watch the races and I think they have a great thing going....I hope they will increase their support of their "local" racers in their home state.... Not everyone can travel.

just my thoughts and opinions.

Is the DRCCC moving to a new site?

I have talked to a lot of racers that have not been out to the DRCCC site to race, they say its because the DRCCC is always on the road supporting another track. I hope the DRCCC club grows.....I've been out to watch the races and I think they have a great thing going....I hope they will increase their support of their "local" racers in their home state.... Not everyone can travel.

just my thoughts and opinions.
Yes, we will have to move to a new site for next year. My plan is to locate in empty parking lot somewhere where we can setup and tear down our track only twice. Once at the beginning of the season, and once at the end. All we would need is a fence and a decent parking lot surface that is available. Bring your suggestions/contacts to the next club meeting.

I have to admit you do have a point. The downside of the TDM thing this weekend is that there is only one place to race thats far away, but the good side is there is going to be another big race up here for us to have. The funny thing is I don't think anyone else has mentioned that to me before or at a club meeting. If it was the idea was noted, but there simply wasn't enough interest or people availble to run it. The thing is, for now, very few people have access to the trailer, and scoring system, let alone have knowledge and experience to get it going. Its not easy to develope a schedule with everyone in mind. We kind of learn from our experiences as a club and just keep trying to move on. If there were enough people wanting to do this, I was not made aware of it. There are of course lots of other races we make room in our schedule for of course, the TDM was an addition this year. On the flip side, I have already been criticized for planning a race on the weekend of the 8th scale nats which is hosted in California.

I do notice how when I am at a Midwest Series race, very few from our club is in attendance, but basically that means most of the people who are there are key players in the operation of a race day program. That is something we are slowly starting to work towards spreading access the knowledge and access to our club facilities. For instance, if there were a group of people that really wanted to use our track on a away weekend, we could do it given there were people to do it. I am for supporting the Midwest Series officially as a club, but that doesn't mean we don't have to not have a practice day or something. Others keep their track open for practice. I would be even willing to allow a group of people to run alternating weekends with the DRCCC who wanted to do something else with our track. For instance run an electric program suited towards their needs/classes. 12th scale on pavement? Why not! Surely it would be alot easier to setup our track on a smaller scale for something like that then to make it big for 8th scale racing. I pretty much figured no one wanted to run 12th scale with us because they are affraid their car would get demolished by an 8th scale car in practice. I would like to be able to run a seperate program such as that, and I've asked some people to help, its just a matter of having enough resources to execute it. So, all I can say is come to our club meeting to anyone who is interested, we will listen.

Unfortunately, attendance is dangerously low at each of our club races. Its mostly attributed to our track being not permanent, so thats obviously something we need to work towards. Due to the low attendance, and the lack of interest I will be putting in a motion to cancel of the rest of our club races (4 remaining) this season, the TDM series race and Midwest Series will go on of course. If there are enough people who still want us to continue hosting club races, I need at least 18 individual entries for us to have a worthwhile race program, and given the outlook for the rest of the season, I do not forsee this goal easy to accomplish. If we do cancell our club races this year, we will refund club dues to those who wish to be refunded.

Just FYI to everyone, For the TDM race in Mentor, the track will be setup on saturday and available for practice. This race will be good for those who want to warm up for the Midwest Series

Directions to the Mentor Track:
http://www.myrcworld.net/tracks/track.asp?cid=1356 (http://www.myrcworld.net/tracks/track.asp?cid=1356)

Just to let everyone know, we did most of the painting this past weekend. It looks much cooler. We ran out of green paint (we used ~25 gals.) and Ted H. was talking about getting more to finnish it this comming weekend. But then he also talked about going to Cinn.?

Yeah the race in Cincinnati is next weekend, but knowing Ted I think he may enter a qualifier on sunday morning and work in Toledo Saturday.

Thanks to all who came out Yesterday to the TDM race in Mentor. We had a great showing of local guys from Detroit and Toledo who ran there. It was my first time racing 1/8th scale and I have a lot of practicing to do. Sorry Mark for TBoning you in the main, but I think it happend when both of us were trying to lap some traffic at the same time, good thing it was repairable and you got back in it. Looks like you got that nova mega sport motor running good, i hope we can still find good .21's for less than $250 in the future.

We ended up staying last night in Cleveland after my alternator wore out. Geesh! I finally ended up getting a tow (see attached) after arguing with some drunken hillbilly in Cleveland (who was nice enough to try to help) who claimed that if we pulled the positive cable off the battery while its running that we could tell if the alternator was bad or not.

Sorry about your truck, Tom. Tires, then an alternator. At that rate hopefully .21's will be available at $250 per for at least the near term....

Tom,

That guy may have been correct. In the old days (prior to all the newer electronic ignition systems) if you had a bad alternator, if you pulled the battery cable the vehile would just shut off. Dont know if this would have worked on your vehicle......Well, I know a flatbed tow for that SUV was expensive... :freak:

Glad to hear that you made it back safe! We more races in Detroit! I hope the remaining club races are not wrote off. If you still hold them, I plan to help support those races.

So, who is going to Cincinnati this coming weekend, practice Friday and two days of racing, each day is treated like it's own race and then the total number of laps, or low time is added for the two days. I think they run 100 laps and the winner is low time.

I can't stay for Sunday but I am thinking about Friday and Saturday.

Ted

Hey Ted, I'm going to try and make Friday afternoon, but I will definately make Saturday and Sunday. Mentor was fun, but hard running two classes. The layout has a nice flow to it, but the bumps added a new equation to it it. I'm glad I went there to get a clue for the MWS race. The Mentor guys are a nice bunch of guys.

Looks like a 60% chance of rain Saturday and Sunday. Hhmmm....don't know if I'm wiling to risk it. Myabe I'll try out G. Rapids with nitro sedan.

Looks like a 60% chance of rain Saturday and Sunday. Hhmmm....don't know if I'm wiling to risk it. Myabe I'll try out G. Rapids with nitro sedan.
RayJ...

Let me know ifyou want to go... i want to go run mod c-an and get some mod 1/12th, even if it's just a little practice....

Looks like a 60% chance of rain Saturday and Sunday. Hhmmm....don't know if I'm wiling to risk it. Myabe I'll try out G. Rapids with nitro sedan.
Yeah it rained yesterday, for only 30 seconds!!! The report for today says if it rains its likely to do the same. Gotta go, time for practice!

At a recent club meeting it has been determined that we do not have enough support to continue club races remaining on our schedule. Only the 4 remaining club races are cancelled. THE TDM and MIDWEST SERIES ARE STILL ON!!!

If we find a new location before the end of the year it is TBD to host races in September. This is pursuant to our ambitions to find a better site for the future and might be advantageous to host club races to demonstrate to a potential site.
Here is how the remainder of our schedule is:

July 18 Club Race #5 CANCELLED

Aug. 1 TDM charity Race Club Race #6

Aug. 8 Club Race #7 CANCELLED

Aug 14&15 Midwest series Detroit

September 19 Club Race # 8 CANCELLED/TBD
September 26 Club Race #9 CANCELLED/TBD

We apologize to anyone who planned on attending these races and especially those who greatly supported the club this year. If you joined the club at a club race and would like a refund please contact the club treasurer,John St Amant. If you would like to hold on to your membership, you may use the DRCCC club membership for discounts at club races in Toledo.

For more information about toledo go to www.oneeighthracers.com (http://www.oneeighthracers.com/)

NEXT CLUB MEETING
It is now time for us to start rethinking our strategy. On August 5th Thursday will be a club meeting to follow up on plans for our new site search. Meeting location will be announced later.

Tom Kelley


DRCCC President

http://www.myrcworld.net/drccc - club page
http://www.myrcworld.net/drccctrack - track page
drccc_racers@yahoo.com

248.872.6531 cell

Hey Mcsquish,


You got a PM.

Paul

Hay chicky03,

Ditto

Scott

McSquish - I was over at Woodville Mall last weekend and saw that the track is undergoing some reworking. I understand that CEFX now is in charge. Looks pretty cool. I hope to see you there this coming carpet season.

The Great Lakes Challenge is now in the books for this year. The club does a great job putting on this race, Ted Hammer deserves some kind of special award for his hard work, of course lots of other people work their butts off as well. There are so many guys to thank I will just call it a job well done by the club!

The racing was real fast, there was so much bite, traction rolling was an issue even on Friday and the bite just kept getting better. By Sunday afternoon you could actually see the the line a car left behind when it lifted the goo (I think that is a word) when it went through a turn. There were racers from all over the country from Texas to Florida to Virginia. This has become a major gas race!

The results will be posted on the club web site, probably later today. Plus Mike Meyers was there to take pictures and will have a report in his magazine.

More gossip later, when I actually wake up!

Ted

Ted,

This was my first attendance at the Great Lakes Challange and I can say it won't be my last. The crew did a great job and the track was off the hook. Traction was on the high side more then most of us VA guys had ever run on (except carpet). It should prove interesting at the Nats. I'm looking forward to coming back and having more great fun.

Thanks,
Mark Unrath

Mark-looks you did really good at the GLC-congrats! Hope to see you at the Halloween Classic.

Ray
Ted,

This was my first attendance at the Great Lakes Challange and I can say it won't be my last. The crew did an great job and the track was off the hook. Traction was on the high side more then most of us VA guys had ever run on (except carpet). It should prove interesting at the Nats. I'm looking forward to coming back and having more great fun.

Thanks,
Mark Unrath

Ray,

Thanks! Yes, I plan to attend the Halloween Classic this year.

Mark

Hi Mark, It was a pleasure meeting you at the GLC, and congrats at the good showing at the GLC. Thanks for the setup tips on my car. I never got untracked during the qualifiers. Two heats of radio's being turned on in the pits(mysterious hard right turns into the wall) and two heats of tuning and driver error. I look forward to seeing you at the nats. RayJ

RayJ,

You going Sunday? I will be at MIS Friday and Saturday, if it doesn't rain on those days I will be at the Charity race Sunday.

Ted

Yep Ted, I'll be there Sunday. Gotta Race!

Mike Myers posted final report on Starting grid already:

http://www.rc-racing.com/cgi-bin/backtalk/pistachio/read?conf=toledo&csel=&item=31&rsel=all&noskip=1&showforgotten=2

Ray,

Thanks. It was also a pleasure meeting you and Brad. I had a blast and looking forward to the Nats. Stop by any time or feel free to email me at munrath@rayva.org

Thanks,
Mark

Just to let everyone know that are comming down from the north, I think I heard that 280 south will be closed from I75. This of cource will last from this Friday night till Monday morning. You might want to look into this.

More info for everyone.

To: Mr. Kelly Bean
Parma International

Kelly,

ROAR is confirming the fact that the Parma Alfa 200mm Body, bearing the part number PI10087 is legal for competition through 08/05/2007. Please continue to check the products section of our website for an update and feel free to distribute this official communication to any interested parties until the website is updated.
If I can be of further help on this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,

Bob Ingersoll
ROAR Technical Director



Also,

Here is some more info I was asked to post:

Larry's Performance R/C will be at the Toledo Woodville Mall track during the ROAR Fuel Sedan Nationals. If you have items that you need for this race, please contact the crew at Larry's. (586) 997-4840 or their web site at www.larrysperformancercs.com

For better hotel rates, you only have a few days left to confirm your rooms.

Sleep Inn (419) 697-7800 ask for ROAR Nats rate #100407 good until 8/10.

Comfort Inn (419) 691-8911 ask for ROAR Nats rate #1692 good until 8/17.

Both are nice places to stay.

RayJ,

Check PM buddy.

Thanks,
Mark