No the real question is who will pay for it?

Pearce

hey guys, got some stuff for sale in acces. swap. laptop and dyno, power supply, lathe ect.

That would be a 2nd good reason to visit Meridian!!!

I'd help donate by racing! Or on the weekends. It's just to hard for me to come down during the week.

If the new tower could be moved and the poles with the lights at the off road area now be moved it would help out some. Then folks could park over there. Take the extra dirt from over there and use it to help build up that low area.

If we dont start talking pretty soon will be on the last page, Anyone got anything interesting to talk about.

Hey Ryan, you coming over this weekend?

BA I would love to but I just cant miss the opening weekend of hunting season.

That's cool Ryan. I have a friend that just got a XXXNT and needs some fuel.
I was going to get Bill to mix some for him. I should know the next day or two
for sure if he wants it.

Bill Vail, if you see this DON'T mix anything yet until I talk to him. I'll let you know.
If he does we'll get together on the pick up.

Thanks, Brent

Bill Vail, if you see this DON'T mix anything yet until I talk to him. I'll let you know.
If he does we'll get together on the pick up.

Thanks, Brent

Brent... I see... Not doing anything is my specialty. Consider it not mixed! Just let me know.

Bill

bill, percentages is your fuel? nitro, and oil,content, new motor an it said at least 16 on oil.

bill, percentages is your fuel? nitro, and oil,content, new motor an it said at least 16 on oil.I don't believe in secrets....

My standard car fuel is 25% nitro, 2% Castor, and 8% synthetic for a total oil content of 10%. I run into your question a lot and always wince a little. While your instruction say 16% oil do they say what type of oil? Usually they only say something like "a good quaility oil with some castor". I have mixed fuels with up to 30% oil and they do not run well at all. Very though to needle and the engine runs very hot or not at all. Also, If you manufactured engines and warrentied them, wouldn't you say over oil me? Really, think about it. If I made engines I'd say use 20% oil. Looking at it from a fuel mixers point of view, wouldn't you mix more oil even if it doesn't run very good? Think about it from my point of view as a fuel mixer. If I go to the track tonight and someone's engine breaks a rod what should I tell them? Engines fail and it is very easy to blame the fuel. Every night go to the track I hear someone running their engine extreemly lean and know it won't last long running that way no matter what fuel they use or how much oil it has. I feel like asking them to switch to BlueThunder.

I always say I don't SELL fuel... I do make a little on it but it's really more of a favor to my friends and local hobbiers. With that said the next part may sound like a sales pitch. It's just that I think folks want to know what they are running.

To any and everyone... If you are uncomfortable with any of this, please run some other fuel. I sell the same fuel I started mixing for myself. I'm proud that and folks that have tried my fuel seem to like it. I'm always open to comment.

Nitro... Here is what the folks I buy nitro from have to say...

"We uses a proprietary Nitromethane which is the highest quality of Nitro available with a purity rating of greater than 99.95%. This is the HIGHEST purity rating in the industry! No other fuel company uses a Nitromethane of our purity, NONE! Lesser grades of Nitromethane are available at 99.7% and below, but we chooses not to use them. The lesser quality Nitro contains other Nitroparafins such as Nitroethane, Nitropropane and II-Nitropropane (a known carcinagen). Our Nitromethane is the ONLY Nitromethane to contain NO II-Nitropropane. Other companies claim to have a high quality Nitromethane but they won’t comment when you ask them the purity percentages and II Nitropropane contamination. If a company claims to use a purer Nitro than we do, then they are misleading you."

Bill Vail

The post was too long for this site. Had to split it into three parts... Here is part 2.
Oil... I use only Klotz oils. I mix differnt oil packages for cars, heli, 4-strokes, and 2-strokes.
(http://www.klotzlube.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=KS&Product_Code=Original+Techniplate&Category_Code=RC_PRODUCTS)

Original TechniPlate
Pure synthetic bases are blended for the perfect level of 2-stroke lubrication and performance. Klotz Clean Burn™ technology reduces carbon and residue build-up. Extreme film strength engineered to reduce engine component wear and build horsepower


SYNTHETIC


• TechniPlate Peak Film Strength and Anti-Scuff protection
• Extreme Load Carrying Capacity engineered to reduce engine wear
• Clean Burn ™ Technology reduces carbon and residue build-up
• Contains familiar Klotz Red for easy mixing and racy odor

APPLICATION:

Primary use is in alcohol and R/C Model glow fuels

Motorcycle/ATV – 2-stroke/alcohol; Stock, Hi-performance
Kart/Micro Sprint – 2-stroke/alcohol; Stock, Hi-performance
Kart/Micro Sprint – 4-stroke/alcohol; Stock, Hi-performance, Road Racing
R/C Modeling – 2/4-stroke glow

CHARACTERISTICS:

Smoke Rating: 10 1=fog; 10= no smoke
Clean Burn™: 10 1=heavy deposits; 10=no carbon
Film Strength: 5 1=failure; 10=virtually no wear
Viscosity @100°F: 950 SUS 50 W @ 40°C: 200 cSt
Pour Point: -15°F
Flash Point: 460°F
RPM Limit: 12-13,000; R/C Model 20,000+
Rust Prevention: Contain rust inhibitors. Not recommended as a
storage lubricant.
Certification: A.P.I. S.A. Intended for Racing Engines Only
Color: Red

DIRECTIONS:
Compatibility: Blends with gasoline, methanol alcohol, Nitromethane and stays in suspension. Will not blend with petroleum oils or synthetic lubricants. 100% Biodegradable formula.
Fuel Stability: Will dissolve in gasoline at ratios of 15:1 or greater; alcohol at ratios up to 5:1.
2-Stroke pre-mix: Do not use in oil injection systems.
Air cooled engines mix at 16:1 to 20:1
Water cooled engines mix at 20:1 to 32:1
Kart: Air cooled mix at 16:1 to 20:1
R/C Model: 2-stroke glow engines mix at 15 -18%

AVAILABILITY: KL-200 quart; KL-205 gallon; 30 & 55 gallon drum

Bill Vail

CASTOR


The ultimate in 2-stroke lubrication protection and performance is the choice of serious racers. Degummed and extra fortified for maximum reliability. BeNOL provides twice the level of film strength and load carrying capacity over conventional castor oils.

• Ultimate in lubrication protection and performance
• Fortified Film Strength and Anti-Scuff protection
• Extreme Load Carrying Capacity engineered to eliminate engine wear
• Clean Burn ™ Technology reduces carbon and residue build-up
• De-gummed formula reduces ring sticking
• Contains familiar Klotz Red for easy mixing and castor racy odor
• Contains seal conditioners and preservatives


APPLICATION:

Motorcycle/ATV - 2-stroke/gas; Hi-performance, Racing 10K RPM+
Motorcycle/ATV - 2-stroke/alcohol; Hi-performance, Racing 10K RPM+
PWC - 2-stroke/gas; Racing Extremely Modified 10K RPM+
Marine – 2-stroke/alcohol; Drag Racing
Kart/Micro Sprint - 2-stroke/gas; Racing
Kart/Micro Sprint - 2-stroke/alcohol; Racing
R/C Modeling - 2-stroke/4-stroke glow

CHARACTERISTICS:

Smoke Rating: 4 - 5 1=fog; 10= no smoke
Clean Burn™: 3 - 5 1=heavy deposits; 10=no carbon
Film Strength: 10 1=failure; 10=virtually no wear
Viscosity @100°F: 950 - 1100 SUS 50 W @ 40°C: 220 cSt
Pour Point: 0°F
Flash Point: 520°F
RPM Limit: Unlimited
Rust Prevention: Contain rust inhibitors. Not recommended as a storage lubricant.
Certification: A.P.I. S.A. Intended for Racing Engines Only
Color: Red


DIRECTIONS:

Compatibility: Blends with gasoline, methanol alcohol and stays in suspension above 35°F. Will not blend with petroleum oils or synthetic lubricants. 100% Biodegradable formula.

Fuel Stability: Will dissolve in gasoline at ratios of 15:1 or greater; alcohol at ratios up to 5:1.

2-Stroke pre-mix: Do not use in oil injection systems. Do not use below 35°F.
MX and Dirt Track: Water cooled engines 60 – 125 cc mix at 32:1; 250 + cc mix at 40:1; Air cooled engines mix at 32:1 to 20:1
ATV: Water cooled mix at 32:1 o Air cooled engines mix at 20:1
Kart: Air cooled mix at 16:1 to 20:1; Shifter Kart: Liquid cooled mix at 32:1
PWC: Full mod mix at 40:1
R/C Model: 2-stroke/4 - stroke gas mix at 20:1 to 32:1, best when used with 1 – 2 oz per gallon of Original TechniPlate.


AVAILABILITY: BC-175 quart; BC-171 quart; BC-171 gallon; 30 & 55 gallon drum

Methanol
I use a 99.9% pure, first run virgin methanol. Second generation (technical grade Methanol) is available at half the price but I will NEVER use it. I buy Methanol from D & T Racing (Pearce and Randy).

Additives

Anit foaming agents and rust inhibitors are used.

Fuel Scents
POWER PLUS CHERRY BOMB Fuel Fragrance is a unique product that is not only a proven crowd pleaser but a much needed item for many drivers that have a difficult time dealing with the nauseous odors of an alcohol fueled vehicle. Drivers that use POWER PLUS enjoy not only the pleasant fragrance but less irritation to eyes and nose and much more livable cockpit. POWER PLUS is the first of its kind creating a new category in fuel additives.

Here are the choices (their names not mine:p )
Atomic Apple
Banana Blast
Burn Out Blueberry
Cherry Bomb
Flyin' Hawaiian
Full Blown Bubble Gum
Groovy Grape
Lemon Lightning
Light 'Em up Licorice
Peel Out Pina Colada
Quick ET Chocolate
Radical Racin' Raspberry
Rippin' Root Beer
Rocket Cotton Candy
Supercharged Strawberry
Super Sonic Cinnamon
Turbo Tangerine
Victory Vanilla
Wicked Watermelon

Bill Vail

Bill, I think you gave us something to read!

Well how about racing tonight. It hasn't rained up here. How does it look down there? Sure would like to race this week end.

Told that we are racing and that clint was planning on racing. So that must mean that he is going to work the track.

Is patriot racing planning on showing up?

YES!!!!!!

That's what I am talking about! Get into it!

hi all,
sorry to say looks like we won't be racing tonight.

Well lets see.....
3 buggies, 2 gas trucks, 2 monster trucks, not a computer in sight. All people from out of town,track was in good enough shape to race on because we stayed there untill 9:30-10:00 racing on it. Tell me again why we didn't race when Donald said a couple weeks ago we would race unless it was raining. Infield wasn't as muddy as it was a few weeks ago. You could walk on it. So what's up with that.

yup, We had some good racing. The gas trucks where hooked-up. Buggies ran just as good. We just had to use a timer. I had alot of fun. Like Tommy said I don't understand why we didn't race. Even when we where told that we will be racing every weekend as long as it isn't raining. Track wasn't wet.

I am just not understanding what is going on!

Yall racing this fridaynight?

YES !!!

.....

Juice? You going Friday night?

thinking about it very hard.

I need to sell my kranzel so I can get me a gas truck. I guess it will go to ebay after the holidays. Was going to get rufuses but tires for the wifes car came first. She hit something in the road and 2 tires got the sidewalls ripped out.

What will everyone be running?

Bill
I tried to call you. I wanted to see if I could use that servo ?
Maybe I can get my truck ready by Friday.
Call me
Donald

SlowJuice,

Why are you selling the Kranzel ?

Pearce Dickson

i'll be there, i think i will run gas truck, electric truck, buggy (stock or mod?)maybe maxx class too.

Everyone can't stand getting beat by it. everyone wants to run buggies. You know how it is.LOL

Rufus bring that truck Friday night I'm trying to get the funds. If not i might have to test drive it.LOL

TheJuice?Man

BA, how is you're gas truck running? hope you decide to come over and race Friday.

Guys I wont be making it, Im going to the casino to see Ron White! sorry I ll catch yall later, Probly going to come over and race in ala next Sun.

See yall Ryan

Clint, truck is running good to be over a year old. I took home some gold on our
opening offroad race day. I won't be making it this Friday. Going outa town to
visit family, thanks for the invite. I'm checking to see if JUICE? is going and if
B VAIL can mix me some fuel. Ya'll have a good Thanksgiving and we'll talk at
ya later.

Brent

GOT JUICE? check your pm.

BILL VAIL, if Juice comes, can you get me a gallon of 25%?

As of right now Brett yes I'm going and yes i'll pick fuel up for you. I'll know more by friday at noon.

TheJuice?Man

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL

Bill
I tried to call you. I wanted to see if I could use that servo ?
Maybe I can get my truck ready by Friday.
Call me
DonaldDonald... I'll get with you before Friday night. Do you have a 2x4 for the front or should I look around the shop?

Bill

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/1819705_raptor350_blk_3_31721.jpg

New from Losi...

Bring the good stuff Boyz. I'm coming to win!

Bill Vail

exellent touch, that must be the new Yamaha/Losi lst2 i've been hearing about!

Yup.. It's an A-RTR. All you have to do is install your radio. I'm going to run it in the monster/maxx/open truck class.

Bill Vail

I wonder what the lap times would be?

Guys Yall can forget it, I am going down to the John Deere place tomorrow and picking out my new SKIDDER. Bill do you think you might have enough servos to run it and I am probly gonna need your chopper radio and receiver. So I may get passed one time but good luck trying to get by on the next lap.

Ryan,
When would you like to get your motor back. I haven't done it yet, but will have it when you need it. Only takes a couple minutes to do. I have to do a couple of mine, may do them over the weekend, or maybe before next weekend.

Tommy

I wonder what the lap times would be?
Brent that is a very interesting question and one I've spent some time thinking about. It seems clear to me that it would not be in the 5.5 to 6.5 second range that we now run. I think it'd be a good bit slower. That suggests to me that there is a "right" size for a vehicel. Not Mini-T and not ATV... Somewhere inbetween. Right now the best lap times are the 1/10 scale G-Trucks. Their laps times, week in and week out, are a good bit faster than anything else. They are runing consistent 5.6s and nothing else is in the 5's. Could that be it? Maybe a purpose built Maxx size oval racer? Maybe 1/8 scale buggy? My money is on a 1/8 scale buggy with foam tires, an outlaw wing, and 100 weight shock oil. We'd have to build a cage around the track!

Ryan.. I wish you would have developed that 1/10 4wd G-Truck a little more before selling it. I think that had the potential to set the track's fastest lap. (Even if it was totally illegal!:p)

Like Ryan suggested, it'd be a bitch to pass though and sometimes that counts for more than lap time... especially in the monster class.

Maybe we should have a WWF rumble class. ANYTHING goes. NO rules. Robot wars and racing in one class!

Bill Vail

Im in Lets just have a bring what you want class one night and you can run anything you want mini t to monster truck. No complaing bickering or argueing we will all just run for fun. Tommy it really doesnt look like I will be able to go to redstick. I am going to get two sat off in Dec because of Christmas and my holiday time. I really cant ask for another, so on the motor whenever you do yours will be fine I dont need it any time soon.

thanks Ryan:devil:

That sounds good. I thought you was going to t-town next week and might need it.

Tommy

Ryan,
It's done. Just call me when you need it.

Tommy

Hey BILL VAIL, I know I've gotten a couple of gallons of fuel from you. I have one
empty jug and will get another, so next time I come or someone else comes, I'll
get them to ya. Maybe an extra one or two for future buys.

Thanks, Brent

Nothing to say, just moving this thread back to the first page.