Has anybody heard anything from Reedy lately?Trinty has come out with several motors the past few years. But weres Reedy the mvp came out and then nothing. I would sure like to see a new one. A legal one not a outlaw stock like trintys new motor. Any thoughts?

rumor has it there is a new one in the works... im sure it will be a so called outlaw 4 magnet to... it just seems most are going this way... eventualy when there are only 4 mags available they wont be outlaws anymore.. they will be all there is to run... :freak:

Burbs I agree with you a 100% the 4 magnet is here to stay. Problem is me like so many are not allowed to run a stock motor unless its roar aproved.My track is a little weird acor rules for 19 turn.But we are only allowed to run tie cans. And in stock roar rules apply. Thats kind of hairy isnt it.But I am told alot of tracks do this now.I just ready for another good motor how about you?Some day the binary in stock may be approved if roar changes some rules.But it will take alot of roar members to do this I feel.I think I will renew my memship so I can have a say.And maybe someday the rules will change. :thumbsup:

Hey Matt now tell the truth, if the 4 magnet motor was legal at are track would you be running it? No one has been able to get anything out of them in 4 cell stock that races around here. They were allowed at the Big Chilli Race and the top 4 qualifiers and and top 5 in the A main were not running them. Infact I not sure if anybody ended up running them. :thumbsup:

Bob I qulfied 4th in 6 cell with one..And yes I belive the green machine and monster are better than the binaray.Thats why I want a new legal motor from reedy it dosent need to be a binary.Just roar legal

It may very well be a good 6 cell motor. All I know is that I have not been able to get one to run as good as the Monster and several racers that I know have not been happy with the Binary either. Now that new screwed com that might be a fast motor. :jest:

up here where i race they are pretty close to the monster... maybe a second or 2 off.. once u get the gearing right they are fast... at our big track they are a little slower... at our two smaller tracks, if u dont run one u are off the pace... it is odd to cause i would think a motor with more rpms would work better on a bigger track.. but it actually seems to be the opposite.....


up here in sedan and oval it seems like more have gone to the 4 magnet... out loacl motor company coulndt keep them in the showcase.... they sold like 100 motors in the first few days it was out... it is all progression... we always find ways to be faster.. look at when the monster came out... people used to say ohh it isnt as fast as my green 3 .... but when we got them figured out u couldnt pry a monster out of the hands of them...

I copied this from the Integy boards:

As a side note, there's still not much out there that's competitive with Epic stock motors (although their mod motors haven't won a major race in over a year) except maybe the Reedy MVP but it requires more work to make fast than most racers want to deal with.
With Reedy retiring next year, it looks like the long-awaited Reedy Cobalt Stock will be even more delayed.

BIG JIM

i saw that to.... i also saw on a few sites that that big jim likes to talk about alot of stuff he knows nothing about.... like with cyrul at the birds.. big jim splattered the whole story on the net... i wouldnt hold my breath.... doesnt associated get there stuff from yokomo anyway????

Yeah me and him got into a pissing contest over there.
He says in one paragraph that its tough to beat an epic stocker in a race. Yet in the next 3 paragraphs does nothing but bash them.

Over on the Talk to ROAR section of hobbytalk, Hank posted part of (or maybe all) of a reply he got from Mike Reedy after Hank asked him about some things... Part of the response was Mike basicly saying he had no plans to retire... He did seem to say he might be cutting back a little on his work load but not getting out completely...

My current opion on high RPM motors is that they really are better suited to condtions where your motor has to operate over a realtively large RPM range. If your on a track where you run pretty much wide open, I beleive a good high peak power low RPM motor can be made to work if you gear it up far enough.

And lastly... I gave up waiting/hopeing for a new Reedy Stocker a long time ago. I figure now if/when it comes out it will be just a nice surprize... if it never comes out oh well...

It was announced at the Snowbirds that Mike Reedy is not quitting. We did get to talk to him & he said that he might possibly cut back a little but he doesn't plan on retiring any time soon.

My current opion on high RPM motors is that they really are better suited to condtions where your motor has to operate over a realtively large RPM range. If your on a track where you run pretty much wide open, I beleive a good high peak power low RPM motor can be made to work if you gear it up far enough.

It seems to me that the High RPM motors when geared down do not heat up as much as the lower RPM motors geared up. I think that is why motors like the Monster and Binary are faster than the GM3 and P2k2. You can get awesome power out of a GM3 and P2k2 but the problem is about 2 min 30 seconds into the race they heat up and fall off. The Monster stays strong throughout the run.

I agree that it seems that higher RPM motors do somehow disapate the heat better, and that can be a significant advantage over the course of a full race... My theroy is that they do this because the wires are more exposed to the air and the increased RPM also circulates the air more around the wires...

Certianly with todays batteries we are pumping way more current into the motors, and the ablity to disapate some of that heat that gets generated is very important.

up here where i race they are pretty close to the monster... maybe a second or 2 off.. once u get the gearing right they are fast... at our big track they are a little slower... at our two smaller tracks, if u dont run one u are off the pace... it is odd to cause i would think a motor with more rpms would work better on a bigger track.. but it actually seems to be the opposite.....


up here in sedan and oval it seems like more have gone to the 4 magnet... out loacl motor company coulndt keep them in the showcase.... they sold like 100 motors in the first few days it was out... it is all progression... we always find ways to be faster.. look at when the monster came out... people used to say ohh it isnt as fast as my green 3 .... but when we got them figured out u couldnt pry a monster out of the hands of them...


:wave: Umm.. Burbs... I think you might be a little confused here.

Remember last week at Trackside ?? I believe the front row was binary stocks ( i know this because my car was one and I know whose the other car was)! And I personally have run my fastest runs ever with the binary stock. I absolutely love it. They don't fall off -- I can start the race with 5.0 laps and finish with 5.2's. ; and they have some smoke down our long straights !

Your car has to be REAL free, and yes the gearing is important, but its not as picky as some think.

I have run them now on tracks from 106' to 206' and they are great on both.

The fastest runs made this year here at St-Roch were made with a Binary. You do have to let them rev but they are very fast.

Martin Paradis

:rolleyes: hello

I've gone faster by a lap everywhere with the Binary. In my opinion, if you are not 1 tenth faster with the binary you are not geared right. I start and finish faster with them...

Burbs

Settle down!!! Wow!!!

I won't even comment on the West Bend race......................

As for the Binary's......................I have gone 47-laps on monsters and binary's. It is A LOT easier to be fast with the binary, it seems to be more forgiving. Now as for being BALLISTIC, that's the hard part.

Better or worse on a short track..................you and me heads up on a short track.................you on a binary me on a monster motor.......................wanna bet on the outcome?

mayhem hit it right on the head.... minimum of a tenth a lap at the beginning, and more than a tenth at the end of the race. gearing, gearing, gearing!

what is the difference on the gearing from the monster? Just WAG it

Eeeeaaassyyyy Burbs ! WOW! down boy !

My point was that I've gone my fastest ever with a binary stock vs. the Monster on our 206' track. And give the binary as much time as the Monster has had, and there will be a LOT more 47's (and 48's) for the binary than the Monster.

They run great on short 106' tracks too -- but I have to agree with The Dude -- on short tracks my fastest runs have still come off of a Monster.

Just my experience and very humble $ .02 :thumbsup:

:rolleyes: hello

most people sems to gear it from .20-.40 lower then a monster...

Danny,

I was just wondering if I can play too

Jamie T

You missed the point Mike...............I'm just saying the monster is still a good motor..................that's all................but the binary is too............and is just as fast if not faster for most on the big tracks like Trackside.

Smile dude....................don't bash.

Jamie.............your in..............we need a jam car. :jest:

Burbs, I don't wish to start a peeing match here but I keep reading all over the internet how you T.Q.ed the field by a lap at the Wisc Oval Champ race. Yes you did have one stellar qualifier, and I am not trying to minimize that. But, please let me put things in proper perspective for all the readers who were not there. Karl and I both had heinous glitches all day and never got a proper run in qualifying. My car was so bad I had to put it away before the mains. Buddy I believe was next up but hadn't raced in nearly a month and was not exactly dialed. Under normal circumstances I believe the field would have been alot tighter at the front. By the way, Karl looked to have the better car in the main although you were out front until your unfortunate demise. Not trying to dis you Burbs, just telling " the rest of the story".

:) hello

:) hello

Howdy fellas. To KGBurbeys credit his car was on a rail ,it didnt have big pull off the corners but it wasnt scubbing any speed. Bruce would have been tough to beat he was fast even with gremlins driving. As for the binarys More amps more RPM same windup as a monster=better motor. I love the binarys except they are hard on brushes. I've been running them since Team1 slapped some in my lap except at cheeseland i guess overall im happy with them. I'll be at trackside to do some testing and race sometime in the next two weeks i'll see what they do there.


Karl

Are you guys running any sort of rules? The Binary is not legal under ROAR, NORRCA and ARCOR.

At our track, the owner says "If you can buy it in our shop, you can race it on the track!"

We only run strict ROAR rules for sanctioned ROAR races.

At the weekly points races, any "stock" motor you can buy in the hobby shop is legal for racing.

There are several tracks around our area where that is the policy -- in most cases, the racers voted on it and agreed to run them at the weekly races.

Jeff
Are they allowing the skewed com versions?

I was gonna vote it in for ARCOR, but not after seeing that. Too many issues to worry about everybody being on the same page.

Well.. to be honest, unless someone smoked off a 48-lap run, they wouldn't know really. There is not tech guy at the track, the cars are never wieghed for the weekly races, roof height is never checked, or anything. So if you are 2 oz. underweight -- there is no penalty.

Heck... you actually could stick a binary arm in the monster can, and again, unless you broke the track record, nobody is really going to even look at the motor or the car.

Here's my $.02 -- now that I've seen this skewed comm stuff, I wish our track would have stayed with the ROAR rules and not allowed the binary (even though I do really like the motor). I run the motor 100% legal, but you never know when someone will show up with one that's not. Then how do you enforce any rules ?? You just threw them out the window when you allowed the binary motor to start with.

Heck... you actually could stick a binary arm in the monster can, .....
I run the motor 100% legal, but you never know when someone will show up with one that's not. Then how do you enforce any rules ??

Wow,
Hybrid motors, no weight rules, skewed coms,
I give you credit, if I had to run against that in stock I would probably jump to 19T or mod.
I am fortunate our track adheres to the ARCOR rules.

For instance last week, they teched every car in the A-main after it was over for weight, motor, ride height, etc and this was just for a club race.
I think half the guys were light, and we are pretty strict with the rules. I cant imagine what people would try if there was never the scare of a tech going to happen.
I know if we never had tech I would be running about 36 oz instead of the 39.8 right now, LOL. In stock thats probably worth a lap.

LOL... yeah.. I guess it's sort of like the "Wild West" at our place for the weekly shows ... don't get me wrong.. I really don't *THINK* we've had any guys running hybirds or skewed comms, but there is never any teching so who knows ?? Yeah.. I'm sure we've got a BIG spread in the car weights -- I bet as much as 2 or 3 oz between the lightest and the heaviest cars in stock class. I know when I run at a particular track in Iowa (or at Classic for that matter), I need to slap on at least 2 oz of lead to make minimum weight in Iowa.

Heh heh... Now that I've said that, ya wanna bet they weigh the cars next week ? :lol:

Oh well... it's all fun... more stress relief than anything else for me.

I do like the program you guys run at Classic -- every thing is done in top-notch fashion and you feel like the playing feel is level for everyone.

I do wish we'd have some interest in running a 19T-zero deg class at our track.

Jeff.................your 2oz. underweight!?!?!? You cheating son-of-a..........................ha ha ha

I do agree though................we should be ROAR rules only.....................it would be SO much easier.

Dude -- I might be MORE than 2 oz light .. LOL... depending on what we are supposed to weigh -- what ARE the rules, anyway ?? :D

Just remember to bring LOTS of lead along to Classic for the ARCOR race !

Rules?!?!? We don't need no stinkin rules! ha ha ha

Hey did you see the lap times from the main on Friday night.........................wow.

Yea... man.

Hey.. The Mopar is coming back again this Friday night !! :eek:

As it should.....................I have proved that time & time again.................

hey,
we sell lead now :wave: :lol:

So, Jeff, That thing got a hemi? Sorry, couldn't pass it up.

heh heh... <insert Tim Allen "Arr Arr" sound here>...Yeah... hemi !

:wave: Hey, Mr. SureShot -- where's my PayPal invoice ??

Thanks to everbody for replying.{big jim} and burbs eveyone Iam sorry didnt want to start a war when I started this thread. Just wanted some good old info?Until a new motor comes out I will stick with trintys green machine my favorite, and the monster. Fact is both these motors are still hard to beat.

Stupid question time.
What is a sceewed com??????
Thanks, Joel

wigman -- look at the picture here on hobbytalk:

http://www.hobbytalk.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=315&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Wigman, go to the General RC Discussion and look at the New epic Binary Arm thread. Go down a few places and there will be pictures of the screwed com. A picture is worth a thousand words. :thumbsup:

Hey burbs and erock,

I never talk about something I know nothing about when it comes to r/c motors. And when it comes to pissing contests on my forum, there is no contest. I win.
Remember these words. They will probably be on a separate page all by themselves in my new book.

"When it comes to r/c car electric motors, BIG JIM is always right. This uncanny ability comes at the expense of being wrong about almost everything else."

BIG JIM

Hey burbs and erock,

I never talk about something I know nothing about when it comes to r/c motors. And when it comes to pissing contests on my forum, there is no contest. I win.
Remember these words. They will probably be on a separate page all by themselves in my new book.

"When it comes to r/c car electric motors, BIG JIM is always right. This uncanny ability comes at the expense of being wrong about almost everything else."

BIG JIM

I shouldnt even respond to the self proclaimed all mighty Motor God but I have to at least state some facts.

I was right... all along that the MVP for oval will not match an Epic or Monster stock motor.

Case in point:
We had to run the MVP at the ROAR oval nats 3 weeks ago.
TQ with MVP was 54 4:00
Track record is 55 4:01 with an Epic ROAR stock motor.

The first time I ever went Halo Hobbies I went a 54 4:00 with the Epic. My car was a mess too. For the nats my car got a ton better and with the MVP best I could muster was a 54 4:03, qualified me 4rd in the A main but no matter what we did to them, the motor would come off at 135-145 degrees. To where an Epic is about 85 degrees.

I have to give the MVP credit though this motor did make a ton of power and torque, and even RPM was decent once the com got smaller. We tried narrowed brushes like on your site, tried timed brushes, tried freezing the can, tried motor wraps, drilled all kind of holes in the brush, and tried rollouts starting from 1.90 up to 2.30 and nothing would keep the heat out. I would say all and all about a full lap off the Monster or Epic. For a nats handout race I can deal with that, but for club racing that is why nobody uses an MVP, cause they would be sucking hind tit.