No worrys guys those cars will not handle the power of the big block! (Lets say rollover fluffy)
They will just be spending more $$$ I think it's funny those micros were all running mod motors and I know some had the coreless high $ units.
Thats great that CORCAR is back in action so fast
Hope to see some of you at Classic :wave:

Here's another link to Novak's new ESC called SPY made for 1/18 and 1/24 scale racers:
http://www.teamnovak.com/products/esc/spy/spy.htm
It has reverse with lock out and all the usual Novak features. It's tiny size looks good, but the retail price is $100 have to wait and see what they sell for.:eek:
Here's a pic:
http://www.teamnovak.com/products/esc/spy/spy_fotobox.jpg
They warn it's not for 380 or 540 motors. How about 16d XP motors?

Good racing at Classic Hobbies in Akron. We had 7 BRP cars on the concrete road course. Very different from running on asphalt but fun. Bud won as usual with Mariopanelli 2nd and I think Joe Roberto was 3rd. :roll:

CORCAR club members turned out in force Saturday to build the track at the new location at Star Cinema in Grove City. It is a slightly sloped (2-3 foot elevation change) and has on average 15 foot lanes. The drivers stand got a coat of white paint too boot!
The asphalt is untreated and it fairly open density, so it will be hard on tires. The surface is very smooth with only one or two dips we need to consider when racing.

I heard a few sedan driver had chunked some foam tires in electric and gas sedan classes.

Very little sugar water was applied today for racing and we had some spots where the darker pavement caused the water to rise as the track baked in the intense heat.

After all the talk of Big Blocks not enough racers showed with Micros to have the class. (minimum of 5)
So, I raced my son's Tamiya TL01 in stock, or I tried to. It really s___ to be me this week, a 65 hour work week in 5 days then radio problems due to interference on a good radio system.
Got home to find the refridgerator is having trouble freezing and cooling.

The radio problems I had racing today I think are related to the crystal set I was using, it wasn't within specs for the Hitec gear. Or, it was the synthesized transmitter another racer was using was not keeping good control on the frequency. I think it is the crystal set. But, I raced with others the rest of the day on frequencies all around me (more than 2 channels away) and never glitched once.
I changed frequency to the stock setting of 66 and all was well.

BTW, the Hitec Shredder appears to not have sufficient shielding to be located so close to the Novak Atom ESC in the Micro. I'm going to try wrapping it in a Hard Drive AntiStatic Bag to see if that helps at all.
I'm emailing Hitec to ask them about it. They indicated it would have the same performance as the HAS-02 receiver. I have that receiver in my son's car and it is generally fairly glitch resistant if I'm on the box stock crystal set.

David
RAFster

I too had a good time down at Classic's with the SC18's. That track is fast! I owe my second place finish to my decision of trading speed for consistency. In other words, I kept it out of the grass:D

Hello,

will the NOVAK SPY esc run with the BRP motors?

melchman:(

pmelchman... I have a call in to Novak and also ordered two of them to try. I hope they will Tyree Phillips runs with a BRP car. Don't think I will be doing any racing until the next race at DA TRACK.
Grizzly>>> Was your son able to try his BRP car on the HT track in Strongsville? Concrete with big expantion joints is not good for little cars:)

Bud

Haven't tried brp car yet.I need to get him some new spur gears.He stripped them out runing in front of our house.I'll have to order some from you,then we will try it

Grizzly

Bud,

Some good news!!! I made a track here at work on our concrete pad that has expansion joints and Craig Stiwald's BRP car ran over them like they werent even there!!! But, of course if they are really wide or old and cracked-big problems!!
Ray

Ray>>> Lets race :)

June 23rd is round 3 of the Classic Summer Series.
Are you guy's with BRP cars going to join in the fun again this time?
Hope to see you guy's there. I'd like to see a couple of 10 car heats.
The track gives you alot of room for passing.
Talk to you soon.

Tracy :cool:

Doorman >>> I have to see whats going on sunday!!

hey bud,
looking forward to see the sc18 come in. what kind of speed control would you guys recommend? i want something small, but i don't know if i want a micro size like the new SPY or orion since they cann't handle 1/10 size motors.
schwelliott

Futaba MC230CR

Well, if you can afford to spend that much...
The Novak Atom is a tiny version of the Cyclone. It works great. Bud has been running one in his car the last I saw. I've been using one as well. Bud let me drive his car at Da Track. His car is super smooth on acceleration and braking. He told me he thought he was using the stock motor setting of the Atom.
With a heat sink you can get some rather radical motor winds with the Atom, without it you can handle mild modifieds and stock motors.
I forget the specs Novak publishes for the Atom.

I got my used from a fellow club member for $60.
I bought a used Cyclone (orange label older model)
for $50 as well. I like Novak ESCs.

The LRP ESCs are good as well.

David

NIL where are you??? I looked at the parking lot at the Strongesville HT and it looks like the BRP cars will be able to clear the expansion JUMPS.

the atom sounds good. hope i can find one at a good price.thanks

Originally posted by BudBartos
NIL where are you??? I looked at the parking lot at the Strongesville HT.I have to make it down there sometime this summer.

I took a quick look at the CROCAR set up Sunday. I'm surprised the theater is letting them run. They consume nearly half the available parking when racing, if you don't include the adjacent K-Mart lot.

One surprising thing: I saw an HPI in the pits with your Outlaw Wedge body.

Nil

We missed you guys yesterday.
Check out the race results on Cleveland at the Brat.
The Air Show was also in town.
It was also very entertaining.
Any chance of you guys making round 5 on July 7th?
Hope to see you then.
Are you guys going to run at Strongsville next weekend?
Let me know.
We are on our off weekend.

Talk to you soon.
Tracy :cool:

Hello All,
Just got back from my honeymoon. Now I have to move houses, unpack and set up. I'll be busy for a short time. I hope to see you all at the races.

Bud- were you able to try the spy esc from Novak yet?

Melchman

pelchman>> I just got the spy in today! It is small It still will not be as fast as a novak atom or Quantum and you will only be able to use it in a small car.
I will let all know what it does. Retail is $99.00 so street should be around $60.00
Hope you can make it to the race on July 13th

July 13th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who's planning on going to BRP # 3? I'll be there with the hotdogs. I hope we get a big turnout. :p Are any of you PA or Mich. guys making the trip? K1m I hope to see this race or the next. Sorry I begged out of the last one but my wife had me doing yard work for her vacation and about killed me. See you all at the BRP world headquarters.:dude:

2slowoo.. I will be there!!! Chuck may be running also :eek: Is Rich coming??
Guys let us know if your coming we need a Hot Dog count!!

Ben and I,ll will be there we,re good for six dogs. Also I tried to slow Ben,s car down.

Don >> Just turn the high speed setting down on the speedo. See you on the 13th:wave:

Don:

If you'd like a Spike ESC (has high speed pot), e-mail me and we can make arrangements. I have a couple of extras. I'm dumping them because of the difficulty in adjusting the top end to match the motor, but it should be great to slow thing down.

2slow00, Bud...I plan on being there on the 13th. I wouldn't miss your dogs 2slow00.:roll:

Count me in! I'm good for a few dogs. See you all at Da Track.

:thumbsup:

Bud save a rental for Rich. We will be there.:D

I plan on coming up from Columbus to see if I can have some fun at BRP World Headquarters.
Count me in for 3 dogs.
I'm using a different radio so I shouldn't have the glitching problems I had before. It was disappointing to not run in the mains.
I'll run the BRP GTP body, I hope I don't bash it up too much. 8-) I'm definately turning up the steering rates. You need it at Da Track.

David
RAFster

Sorry Fellow Racers,

I'm sadly informing you that I and my race team will be unable to attend the race on July 13th. I must work...that weekend AND THE NEXT 3 WEEKENDS!!!! I'm a little upset but life goes on.

BUD-- any verdict on the NOVAK SPY?

Melchman;)

I have not tryed the Spy yet TOO HOT!
Hope you can make the Aug. race.

I recieved and assembled my new sc friday. man, that little thing can fly! i can not believe how it sticks to carpet. the lhs does not carry them, but after lettng it rip throught the store there were a lot of interested people. i think the lhs may be stocking them soon. Great car!

Just got my first SC18. bought it slightly used and assembled without electronics. I yanked the LRP Runner and JR receiver from my XXT CR (it is awaiting parts anyway...) and put them in. Several questions came to mind immediately.

First, there doesn't seem to be a marking for + or - on the motor. Is there a significant difference, as in is the motor advanced and needs to be wired one way or the other. I put the + on the side with the 'V' with the Parma facing up- that would be on the forward side of the motor.

Second, the truck ran around doing donuts on the kitchen floor for about five seconds and shut off. Hit reverse and it went backwards. Forwards and it went forwards. For about another five seconds. No amount of waiting seemed to matter to get it to go forward again without hitting reverse for a split second. I didn't clock it carefully to see whether this shut-down was exactly repeatable but it keeps happening. I have never had a problem with the radio/receiver/ESC before in various applications so i am guessing it is related to this new beast.

Third (and last!), this came with black foam tires. I had a heck of a time getting it to go straight indoors, except on very low pile carpet. Am I being too heavy handed? Turning down the steering sensitivity helped when I took it out (though I need to repave the driveway now:lol: ) Any tips on tire treatment, alternatives or whatever will be greatly appreciated. Prior to this, I have been strictly 1/10 off-road so all advice greatly appreciated!

Chris

Chris:

Positive is marked with red paint. It should be near the word "Parma."

Don't know what to say about the on/off issue. The only thought I have is that you don't mention capacitors. The older motors don't have factory soldered caps. That's a recent improvement. Ooops, yet another one: Does it have the ball diff or solid gear? The diff has a nut inside the left rear wheel to adjust it. If a diff, try a rebuild (careful, the balls are quick to jump out once you remove the wheel. If a solid gear, make sure the set screws are tight.

I've not seen anyone running these with traction compound. Take a look at http://www.brpracing.com/110chassiscomplete.html and http://www.brpracing.com/110chassisbasic.html for the front end.

The steering trim is adjusted with the collar and set screw on the servo push rod, but you probably figured that out. Also, the capacitors may be the issue, if they aren't there.

Nil

I won't be making the July 13th race at Da Track. Wifes' birthday, eh. I'll be there in August. Have fun, eat a dog for me. If weather is anything like it is here, you'll be able to cook them dogs without a grill. :cool:

Nil,

I looked for the paint, assuming it would be there but didnt find it. I shall look again!

I do have caps on it, the fancy motor magnets and the ball diff. I have already cleaned up the diff a bit as those pesky little balls did TRY to escape while I was looking for the aforementioned red paint!

Other than the fact this puppy doesn't run long enough to get up to top speed it all seems in great shape! What speed it does hit seems pretty nice though!

Thanks for the input! I think I will take it all apart and rebuild it. For whatever mystical reason, sometimes that uncovers gremlins. Just to make sure all is well. i will also try a different ESC I guess. It's just plain strange to me.
:rolleyes:

Try pulling the motor out of the chassis and running it outside the car while the electronics are still in the same location. If the motor is
binding and overheating it could stop.
If you can run the motor for about 5 minutes without stopping it could be binding. Sometimes a dirty motor will cause some really wierd stuff to happen.

The cars are fairly small and the tight
quarters can cause some intereference from the
ESC to receiver to be emphasized.

Is your radio equipment AM or FM? FM has better noise rejection.

David

David,

That sounds like a good thing to try! Tight? How about shoehorn tight! I had initially tried velcroing the electronics in place but they were getting pushed by the batteries They never touched the front wheel but it was close.

I'll let you know how it goes. Unfortunately I have to go to work... And all these good toys to play with. *sigh*.

AM. Too cheap to go FM so far. I don't really see how intereference can be the answer though as this was happening at a range of five feet with nothing else on (that I know of). Fresh batteries in the transmitter.

Everybody loves a mystery! Chris

wasser sorry you can't make the race. It is too hot to do anything but stay in the air and work on the BRP. See you at the last race.:cool:

my brp is glitching big time. the arm in the motor is bobing in and out when it runs. i guess it must be arching a lot when this happens. the pinion gear is fairly chewed up from dirt on the street. what should i do? should i shim the arm so it does not move or replace the pinion? how do you get the pinion off?
thanks elliott

Visit your local slot car shop and beg them
to press off and on a replacement pinion.
Or you can buy a pinion tool that will remove
and replace the pinions. They are a press fit.
Ninco makes a pretty good one...
They go for what? $10-15

Sounds like your motor isn't happy, I can't imagine how the motor could get that much play.
But, my motor has 1/16 inch of axial movement.
How does your comm look?
Bud is the expert.
Sounds to me like it is time to spend $20 or so
on a new motor...

David
RAFster

dirtspeedcarz>>> The motors will develop endplay if you get hit hard check that endbell is on tight, you can shim the arm if you like but I run with about .032 endplay. If the pinon is trashed you can cut it off with wire cutters layed in the teeth and it will snap right off. To install a new one support shaft on endbell side on a piece of metal and tap the new pinion down with a small hammer or something!
chrisharris>> Make sure there are three small motor caps on your motor. one from + to can one from - to can and one between + & -. If you bought it used they may not have put them on, all the new motors come with them installed.

Well, it appears the CORCAR track at the Grove City location will be about as hard on tires as Da Track. I ran the SC18 in our 18th scale class today and end result was some tires chunking and a nice set of front cone tires. Nothing quite as bad as the Da Track. I guess I will Goop the sides of the tires and for today's tires (newly installed prior to the race) I will chuck them up in the Dremel or drill press and try to true them up. Then I figure I have little to lose by gooping them to create a belted tire...
I think that was one of the tricks CORCAR racers used when we raced at a Walmart in Hillard that had course/open asphalt like we have at Star Cinema.

Do the Fun Wons tires wear any less?

Gonna be expensive to race if you replace tires every week for 3 heat races and a main.

Thoughts? Comments?

As far as racing went...It was a fun day. Paul Holonitch dominated all day with his HPI Micro 4WD with a Modified HPI motor. Steve Hartung finished in 2nd in the Main with me closely following for 3rd place. I didn't have enough power for some reason. Steve and Paul could both easily pass me. Paul did a StopNGo in the Pits for a "penalty" when I decided to block on the straight and he scooped me up and dumped me. They were teasing but, he had enough of a lead to afford to do it. It was humiliating for him to do this stop and go ahead of me and me pass him on the pits and then he pulled out and passed me in the next turn 30 feet away. Everyone had a few laughs...
The overheating my motor took at Da Track when the passenger's rear tire bound against the bushing I think took some punch out of the magnets or affected the windings.

David
RAFster

Rafster>> You can get the optional inner wheel hubs and then run Micro rubber tires if they seem to be wearing better. Also the long wear that I have made for DA TRACK waers about 3 to 4 times less than stock.
Fun wons tires will wear fast also.
Too bad that surface eats tires I herd some of the TC guys arn't running because of it.
See you at DA TRACK:wave:

Bud,
Those adaptors to run micro tires: does that work with the diff in the rear?
Chris

Thanks for the replies. I will order a new pinion soon. hopefully that will do the trick. can i buy a replacement spur gear for my diff? also, what kind of mod motors will work with these cars. i have seen an ad for a parma s16d motor with ajustable timing. how are slot car motors identified as far as being mod or whatever they are? I have been running my sc on a TC track- lots of fun! but i would like a little more top end. thanks

Bud: We're pretty wrapped up in off road racing here in Pa. right now so I think we'll pass on Da Track next month:(

Rafster: You said "hard on" hehehehe! :D

ChrisHarris: The HPI adapters work fine with the SC18 diff kit. You have to remove the wheel to adjust the diff and after awhile the wheel doesn't want to stay on unless you follow Bud's tips.

dirtspeedcarz: you can get a 46t spur, but I suggest you stay with the 52t spur and go up on the pinion gear. Get the Nimco gear puller, for $10+ it'll make your life with 16d motors much easier.

Our next BuRP race is July 21st in Kane, Pa. I think the HPI rubber tires will RULE!!

We tore all the carpeting out of our living room today pending replacement. I feel a fierce BuRP race comming on before all that furniture goes back!!

:thumbsup:

K1m hope you can make the last race.:roll:

You guys see the forecast for Saturday's
weather. It is going to be gorgeous!
High around 83 with partly cloudy skies.

Great day for racing!