Kevin... Since we use 22/81 gears in legends, do you have a suggestion about where to start when we change to better batt's and a mod motor? I don't even know which way to adjust the ratio, (larger or smaller pinion). Now you know why I don't do so well, I don't even understand the gearing:). If I have to change to 64 pitch, do I stay with the same ratio? Hypothetically, if you were looking for a 4 to 1 ratio, is 25/100 better or worse than 20/80? Also, should I start with a 4 or 6 cell pack. I have some reasonably good 2000's that made my pan car really fast with the motor that I am putting in the legend. So fast in fact that Joel would not let me use it at the Soo :devil:
I assume that the only rule will be that the chassis and body had to be a legend at some time in the past... I can hear it now, "RUUULES...WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING RUUULES". Every time I use that on my wife or the kids, I get one of those "you've gone round the bend" looks in return. I thought that it was just a man thing, but I am thinking now that you have to be old to remember Bogie in the Sierra Madre. Thanks and see you Saturday.
George
PS. It doesn't look like my batt's will last longer than four minutes, what effect will gearing have on that. I remember at USA we raced the 12th scale outlaws with mods and ran more than five min.:confused:

George -
You've basically got the rules concept right, i.e.: It had to be a legends chassis once in its life. Last time we had a mix of 4-cell mod and 6-cell stock. I suppose you could try 6-cell mod, but I don't think Jon has enough spare front axle plates and kingpins to last all day. As for gearing, you need to drop to a smaller pinion with a mod motor or more cells. How small is anybody's guess since we don't do this very often. Probably 2-4 teeth, depending on the motor and batteries. I run my sprint car at 18 or 19/81 (6-cell stock). I plan on running 4-cell mod, I think Rick did 6-cell stock last time, and both seemed to go about the same speed and handle equally (i.e.: poorly), so just use whichever looks best for what you've got available. 4-minute races sounds like a sensible thing to do for this class, but we'll probably do it anyway.

Thanks Kevin. My best packs are already made up as four cells. Actually I will have an extra one now, since I fried one end of a six cell pack this afternoon. I will go with the smaller pinion, and hope to get enough practice to find out if it will work. Are you using spec tires? If not, what??
Thanks again, George:hat: that's not a party hat, it's a dunce cap!

You guys are nuts...... :roll: A 19t in a pan car is one thing, a mod in a Legend? Are you sure this isn't a durability test that will fail miserably? If only I had time to race sat........I'd leave the spc motor and batt in the Legend and race you guys. I might win just because I was the last man standing!!! :D
Jake

Well, how was MP??? George, you gotta tell me how the "mod" legend class went. :)
Jake

Yea Geaorge tell us man
how many pieces where left on the floor

Hey Scott or anybody that knows when outdoor racing starts in Escanaba

I need to know your outdoor schedule ASAP and I mean ASAP
My schedule is being done right now and I can't find your race schedule
LMK
ASAP
Casey

Hey Jake. I am probably the only one at the MP races who does not know how the "Mod" Legends race went, even if I did "pay my two bucks and take my chance". I practiced my car and it was very fast, but I could only get on the gas for a split second, or I would not make the next corner. So much for practice. When Jon called us to the line for the first heat, I sat the car down on the carpet and watched in disbelief as smoke issued from my G12c. I screwed around with it for the duration of the race and never saw how the others were doing. When Jon called us to the line for the second heat, I sat the car down on the carpet and watched in sheer dismay as it sat quietly while I squeezed the trigger and twisted the wheel. I screwed around with it for the duration of the race and never saw how the others were doing. Finally Jon called us to the line for the main, and I had by now switched every electrical component on it. Jon made his usual commands...drivers ready... go. We all took off and I noticed the other cars turning left at the end of the straight, while my eyes were following my car still going due north. I hit the pads and the bumper flew. A Marshal flipped it out onto the track heading south, so I squeezed the trigger and watched in sheer terror as it flew down the back stretch catching a pad and flipping up against one of the brick columns. That's when the most pieces flew Casey. By the time I had picked up the pieces, the race was over and I did not even know how the others did. I heard later that Kevin did over 50 laps in 4 minutes. I hope you got to see Kevin's car, it was really a neat piece of engineering. I never did get my Sprint car hooked up, and got beat by two guys that I had sold car's to. My straight Legend was hooked, but again my batteries failed me. Ended up in the B Main and after parking it twice for about four laps, I came in second, running about four laps less than usual. I sold nothing but a handful of old tires to a couple of kids. All in all it was a great day:D Wouldn't have missed it for anything. Let me know if you have any luck improving that battery, and by all means keep a record of what you do, so that I can do the same to the others. Is there a limit to the size of these posts?? See ya.

Scott just e-mailed me so I have the race dates for Esky
Thanks

Hey Gearge glad to here that you had fun down there. How many pieces did your car end up in.
Hope to see ya soon but I don't think so
no more indoor racing for me for a while
See Ya
Casey

Well George souds like you guys had fun. :) Sucks that your car smoked in more than one way. Now you know why I don't run Tekin stuff. :D Well at some point we will need to get together this summer and race somewhere. Or just go for a pontoon ride on the river, we might even be able to collect Mel to go with us! Glad you guys had fun, I wish that I could have raced, but I did get a lot of STUDYING done. Thanks for a boat-load of fun this year guys! Hopefully we will be able to race somewhere together this summer!
Jake
jakerowley@yahoo.com


Casey no one even missed me in Esky did they?

We all missed you
We missed you so bad that Jacob had to fill the Jake quota in B-Main
Pancar
LOL

You have to tell Jake how Bad I am rippin on him
This is just way to much fun
Even though he did pull 1 more lap than I did in his B-MAIN than I did in MY A-MAIN
Okay I might quit for awhile

Your first outdoor race falls on mothers day and the next one falls on Memorial weekend is this correct
If so I can't make it to those
The 1st one I will be flying out to go to Hamburger Univeristy
the other one I have to work that weekend
See Ya
Casey

Hey Casey tell Ronald I said Hi and I hope they do something with their fries, like the old days.
Oval carpet racing is just about done except for Traverse City. I may be up there Saturday if Greg Smith decides he wants to race. I will be getting the TC3 out soon and looking to race that. They race here in Flint and I will make a trip or two to Lansing and down in Canton.
Jake if they run some road there in MP let me know and I will try and make it up there also. They are racing oval outdoors in Battle Creek at JT's. It is a concrete banked oval. I may make it down there one or two times. I also hope to run the Velodrome at Indy in Aug. That is a great place to race. Eleven hundred feet at fifty five mph.
I will keep dropping in here to see whats happening so keep me posted.
Jake I just might show up there one day and take that pontoon ride. Well later guys.:wave:

Well Mel, I will let everyone know if there is to be any parking lot races in the MP area at all! I would like to make a flint race with you, might be able to talk George into it, maybe. ;) Banked oval huh? That could be fun but I don't wanna scratch my pretty car all up on the bottom! Maybe I would have to race Legends with George. You know if they run Sprint?

What about shocks? Do you have parts or the phone # to guy you told me to talk to (hobby shop dude in Gaylord)? LMK what we need to do about a front-end for my 13 and the 12th scale stuff. And you better make it up north this summer, as fast as you are with a pan car you'd probably be even more wild on my jet-ski! Well be sure and let me know when your hitting Flint/Lansing, I can probably scrounge up a few people to go. Talk to you later Mel.

As for the rest of you, I hope to see you soon too! Scott why don't you run MARS with us? I know you like off-road...... :) Hey George, how early in the morning can I start jumping boat wake in front of your house? You won't mind will you? LoL You willing to do some banked concrete Legend racing? I think it would be fun!

Later all! :wave:
Jake
jakerowley@yahoo.com

PS I feel like we are all going to some opposite corner of the world and we won't see each other for like 10 years or something....
:confused:

Mel, will one of these work on my center shock and if so which one?

http://www.teamirsrc.com/shock.html

And also will the adjuster nuts fit the shocks that we run?
Thanks
Jake

PS LMK on the shock shafts, if you have any or not for the side shocks. Thanks!

Jake why would you want to go through the Hobby shop in Gaylord ?
e-mail me more

Mel told me the guy had shocks and shock parts in stock for my 13. That is the only reason, Other than that I haven't anything good about him really. :(
Jake

I didn't even know there was a hobby shop in Gaylord. Huh, shows what I know. So what are the plans for this summer? Sedans on sundays in flint and Canton? Maybe an occasional JTs trip. Traverse City runs all summer long every other week on the indoor track. Thats where I will be. Mel when does Flint start running??? I know Bay City was talking about running 12th scales indoor durning the summer if there was enough intrest.

Jamie, maybe we should hook and start running some 12th in BC. I bought out all of Mel's 12th scale stuff. :) I don't have it yet, but with an expert like you on hand it shouldn't take long to get it "flying"! LoL What is the facitily like in Bay City and are the guys nice? They have power for everyone?
Jake
jakerowley@yahoo.com

Gee would you look at that, I hit 500 posts and now all of a sudden I am an "Elder Statesman". hahahahaha! Catch me now Casey! :lol:
Jake

hey jake I
am not far behind

Yeah you are far behind! I'm an "elder statesman" and your not! :devil:
Jake

PS Casey YGM! :thumbsup:

How can a snot-nosed college kid be an elder statesman??
What will you be when you grow up, an antique??

The guy I told Jake to see was from Grayling. It is not a hobby shop in Gaylord. The link to Irrgang is for VCS schocks. They won't work. Maybe the schock extension will work. Jake give me an e-mail on the 12th scale stuff.
Jamie Flint starts on May 12th. and runs every other week after that. Are you going to Traverse City this Sat.? Road racing dates can be seen in the on road section under Michigan something. JT's is a neat track but is a tire eater.
For all you guys, "elder statesman" means you are a gabby person. I will never have it cause I couldn't think of that much to say.
Later All. :cool:

Jake you going down big time

Originally posted by kingpin
How can a snot-nosed college kid be an elder statesman??
What will you be when you grow up, an antique??

Don't worry George I will Take car of our little Jakey

Yeah I will be in traverse City Saturday racing. It is always a good time. Fun track too. 68 laps in 5 minutes. I also plan on going to Flint on the 12th. I have no tires or anything yet so it will be a test but it will be fun anyhow. Pull the old sedan out and dust the cobwebs off.

Hahahahaha!

I e-mailed IRS on the shock extensions, hopefully they will work. If they don't know I might order one and give it a try. Yeah, I'm that desperate for shock parts. :) Do you have the # to the guy in Grayling?
Thanks
Jake

What Classes will Traverse City run this Saturday? Where is it located?

This is a carpet oval. They run six cell pancar (five minutes) and I think they also have a truck class. Opens at noon.

It is open at noon anymore. It was changed to 11:00am a few weeks ago unless you know something I dond't I believe it is still 11:00am. Last week it didn;t sound like keith or greg were going to go, but I will be there for sure.

Jamie you have any info on the BC 12th scale guys?
Jake
jakerowley@yahoo.com

Hey Jake. I have not been home lately to find out what the deal is for the summer. They were talking a few weeks ago that if there was enough intrest, that they would try to run through the summer. It all depends on what the club wants to do. Through the winter they were running on Saturday nights. Doors open at around 5 racing at 7. They really don't push the time slot to hard so it may be 7:30. I don't have the phone # on hand but the place is called Robbys Hobbys. It is on Columbus street in Bay City. As far as setup goes it is common for 12th scales. I think Mel said he had a woods 12th. Run a thick fiberglass t-bar. Roughly .075 thick. Run hydra drive fluid in the dampner tube. Run 22 associated springs in the front end, with the 10 degree caster blocks. Run one shim in the back one in the front which is 2 degrees caster. On the front to back shock run 40 wieght oil with a REAL soft spring. Something like the yellow side springs we use on the woods oval car. When you put the T-bar on put one front end shim underneath the front ball. Leave the back one alone. MAKE SURE YOU REAR AXLE IS CENTERED TO THE TEE. One tire can not be offset even the slightest bit. Run gray rear tires and purple fronts. This is THE setup right now. For gearing we have been rolling out about 1.67 or so. It is like a 98/28 spur to pinion combonation. That is the Track record setup with a woods car. 61 laps in 8:01:52. Hope this Helps a bit Jake. But give the hobby shop a call and see what the deal is. I will be back from school in a week and will be able to tell you a little more then.

Perfect, thanks Jamie!
Jake

Anyone have directions to the Traverse City Track?

Sorry I have never been there, Mel or Jamie should have some.

Jake

Directions to Traverse City. 115 North to 37 North to 31 South. Ovaitt's is at 3920 N. US 31 S. Phone is 231-947-6670 Open till 8:00 on Friday.
Right side of road a little past Meiers. When you see the Meiers store start looking on the right. There is a Pancake house or resturant 100' past the track. Sorry this is the best I can do. Doors open at noon racing at one. You can try mapquest. Use address obove as destination.
If I am wrong someone please correct me. I plan on being there.

Hey Mel. You are right on Directions I think. I am comming from a different way. I think we take 131 to 13 to 31. That sounds Right. You are right on the Location. It is DIRECTLY across the street from a Burger King. Doors open at 11:00am not noon. So you can be there and hour earlier than you thought Mel. Do you and Greg plan on going?

Thanks

Well was Traverse fun? George you gonna be home tongight or tommorow??? LMK Call me if you want.
thanks,
Jake

Look I realize this has NOTHING to do with "Carpet Racing in Northern Michigan" but, where else can I post a pic and have my racing buddies see it??? I was at the cabin with my parents, and I don't think that my Stampede will ever be the same again! I will say this, it was fun and MY DAD DID THE MAJORITY OF IT!!! :)
Jake
jakerowley@yahoo.com

Casey, stay online for a few I am downlloading Yahoo right now...
Jake

what if I don't want to talk to you

If you want me to I guess I'll talk to you

Even though you been picking on me all over the boards
Some things I put up with

Well Casey, you knew you wanted to talk to me, you can't function with out makeing fun of me!! :cry:
Jake

:roll:

Is that really mud? It looks more like spray glue.

Jake, if you check this, call me and leave your number, I must have lost it. Or email me. I will check the email and the phone often.