no problem rocketkiller...i think we might be going to the paved nats next but its up to SMC...if he says we are going then ill satrt working...then we will be at the norrca nats in GA.

Any one have trouble with the rear ride height adjusters fitting properly on a hyperdrive particuraly the left one? I can't get mine to go in place I've filed the adjuster as well as the aluminum axle mount,tried different ones, new ones,old ones swapped sides fits fine on the motor side, tried a new mount,am I missing something here? thanks.

pepe got in touch with hyperdive, some of the older stuff before bary bought the company was undersized. i'm sure he will do something for you. i've owed alot of different oval cars thru the years and i would say thats has been my biggest complaint. it happens to all of them hyperdrive, racetech , asc, trinity, cobra, trc, woods, you can buy 5 good one them you will get one thats to tight or loose. i do have to say in the past few years it been getting much better.

brian i might be able to make the norrca race, see you there.

I'll do,Thanks for the help.

Hi guys,
What are the top three bodies peopple are using indoors carpet? In my particuar situation it is going to be banked oval. I am planning on running 19t and stock 4-cell too.

I am sure different bodies handle different-so if you can recommend say one for more turn in, one more planted, etc.

Last but not least, if mounting the forward or back helps a particular a body, please clue me in on that!!!

Thanks,
Ray

Just FYI

Got in touch with barry at Hyperdrive about my problem,he responded almost immedietly, there is a new part on the way.Way to go HD
Great products with great service a combination that can't be beat.

Brian - Need some more suggestions. I didn't have it fixed as well as I thought I did. Been running spec until I got my chasis worked out. Ran good last weekend so I moved up to 19t this weekend. Nothing like a little speed to show you your car isn't handling good.
The car was wiggling getting into the corner so I softened up my side shocks. Much better. But there is a little bump coming out of 4 so I went up on my center shock oil twice. Ended up with 50wt. I have a thin t-plate. Less than .063". Though this helped the bouncing it now has a terrible push. I had as little as a half an oz of tweak. I don't want to lower my front roll center any more because it gets into the corner really good. It's the middle and off that I have the push. I'm thinking moving the batteries. Right now they are all the way back. I tried moving them forward once before but it made it really loose. Maybe not this time.?. And what about static weight? Mine is 23oz in the back and 20oz on the front. (I have an all steal gear Air servo, heavy.) Don't know what the weight would be with the batteries moved, but how does my weight distribution sound. I've never really thought of that before.
Anybody have any suggestions I'm all ears.

Thanks

rayhuang- in 4 cell stock i would run a standard Protoform Monte Carlo...19t & open mod i would run the HD protoform Monte Carlo...in 4 cell stck your not going fast enough to need a body with additional downforce so all its going to do is slow the car down...if the track is really banked i would try and run a dodge even...they are very slippery.

Rayce- the first thing i would do is get rid of the fiberglass t-bar..they usually make a car inconsistent when entering the corner which sounds like it could be your problem...i would try the double slot spring steel t-bar..you can also move your batteries up too but do it in small increments to make sure you dont go too far.

Thanks for the thread! Here comes another question. You said in the last post to replace a fiberglass t-plate with a metal one. What about a graphite t-bar, same handling problems as fiberglass? Thanks again. Ralf :thumbsup:

Brian,here's one i haven't seen anything about,and was brought up in discussion recently at the track;what is the effects of shimming a different amount under the front a-arms?Which side does what?

Ralf- graphite t-bars work on tracks that have alot of bite and virtually no bumps...we used to run them on cars with dampener tubes because they reacted faster than fiberglass...but now with the 3 shock cars you can control that reaction with the shocks...its also been kind of hard to find graphite t-bars lately.

DK47- we used to run different spacers on the front end but only at one certain track because typical logic didnt apply to this track...we would run one additional spacer in the right front to allow the car to transfer more weight to the right front and help the car turn more.

So you just basically run the same thickness everywhere you go?

Let me see if I got this right bigger the hole in the t-plate more rear bite you get and smaller the hole less rear bite you get

brooks

Brian-thanks for body advice.

BRD-on road courses, the stiffer the t-plate, the less rear bite you would have and of course more steering.

BRDRACING your right to a certain degree. the problem is if your talking about the asc t-plates or the l-plates, that hyperdrive and others run. the asc t-plate twists behind the rear pivot point, if your only running with two screws in the t-plate. as the l-plate bend inbetween the two pivot points. if you run the three screws in the asc t-plate it acts more like the l-plates. but in general yes the larger the hole in the plate the softer it is forward to back which will equal more rear traction, as long as you didn't change the center shock while changing t-plates. you can also vary the rear stifness by removing the brace that goes between the two pivot balls, if you want the plate to act a little softer.

Hey Burkhart, e-mail me at edimmick4@yahoo.com , I've got a couple of questions for you.

Thanks

Eric

DK- i use the same t-bar at every track i go to until exhaust every possible resource to make my car work properly, then i change the t-bar to something that i think will help

brain what brand of tires are you running? tring to figure out comparison to bsr. durometer numbers?

thanks
TJ

toy, brian runs Jaco Tires:thumbsup:

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE
What do you guys think the best com lathe is???????
And is a magnet zapper worth it or not?????
Thanks for opinions:roll: :roll:

hudy or integy ... i believe big jim like the integy lathe.

i use an ofna. it is just like the hudy but is alot cheaper. only differance is that ofna feed speed is not adjustable.

hey whatever works ..... i have an old school Twister lathe ..... lol

Dog - I have an original Twister, too. Wouldn't trade it for any other.

I have a old gold base cobra lathe works like a charm.

toy- yes i use JACO tires only like cnyeye said.

little- there are several very good comm lathes out there..the best you can do is bring it to a machine shop and let them set the bit height and possibly change the angle if needed...i personally like the fantom lathe but ive used all kinds and they all work well if they are setup right...as far as the magnet zapper goes the ones you can buy for a couple hundred bucks are pretty much useless...for a magnet zapper to be useful it needs to be very expensive and very heavy...take a look at the one Trinity uses or the one that Putnam uses and you will see they are not easy to tote around and they are not cheap...well over a $1000.

Brian: You posted something about this, but looking back I can't find it ... What cause that little wiggle a car does, when getting into, and sometimes in the middle of the turn?

Thanks,
Jake

JPH- it usually has to do with dampening and quite honestly alot of it can be how you enter the corner...if you are fighting the natural direction the car wants to go in it will cause a wiggle...most of the time you have to experiment with dampening to see which way will fix the problem....different tracks require different thigns so id start with that and go from there...dont change to drastic because you will just get lost.

i'll chime in on lathes.....twister is the standard. the new fantom extruded base is VERY nice, but nothing beats the REEDY!!! yeah the REEDY baby!!! raise your hand if you have one (so i can hit you and steal it from you hehehe, i want one BAD).

Brian: Do you suggest changing the dampening on the front kingpins, or different oil in the side shocks?

JPH- i use a pretty standard setup when i go to all tracks...i use MIP CVD lube on my kingpins...if the track has alot of bite and its hard to get the car to stop being loose then i will go to a heavier lube like trinity red stuff...rear shock oil i generally stay around 30 wt in the side shocks...if you start messing with side shock oils alot you can get the car to drive very weird becasue it reacts off the speed of the pod...go to heavy and the car will act very lazy...too light and it can get twitchy.

Brian-
This past weekend on a local banked paved oval, I ran on my 4-cell mod car a tire setup that I've not run befor and had some issues with what I think is range problems. I was running Jaco Blacks on all corners except the left rear. That had a aqua on it. The car had what seemed to be great forward bite and good side bite. The car was very quick in the corners but after about 20 laps the car would suddenly 180 coming out of 2&4. It was not like it was sliding, it was a violent spin that seemed to be coming from out of nowhere. I would bring it in and have a round or so of tweek put into it and it would be cured for the rest of the race. I put it down for the second round with no additional changes and after about 20 laps it would happen again. Then I would bring it in, get tweek, and it would go away. I was thinking that it could be from the left rear aqua heating up to quickly and causing it to polish up. But even with the extra tweek it would not work for more than 20 + laps. I don't think it could have been from my trigger finger because the car did not realy slow in the corners, it took a slight blip in the middle of the corner and it was gone. Sorry for the long post but I wanted to give you all the info I could think of.

Burkie , Ar you able to come to the Mill this weekend ..SRM:D

Burkie , Ar you able to come to the Mill this weekend ..SRM:D

SMR- no i thought me and danny were coming up but i had something going on that i thought was saturday but its actually sunday...we will be at the last big race if there is another one.

JPH- its sounds like the problem is actually pretty simple...blacks are actually a partial natural rubber tire so they do get hot and when they do you get more traction...being that the car is getting loose the right front is probably working pretty hard so its heating up after about 20 laps and causing the car to spin out...let me think about what i would try to do to cure the problem and ill get back to you.

JPH,

I agree w/ Brian, but i am thinking both rear tires are heating up, and since the RR has a higher rubber content, it is gripping the track more than the LR is as the tires heat up, making the car hook on the corner exit. if you could find the equavalent hardness LR in a higher natural rubber content, i would think the tires would heat up and react more evenly through a race.

BTW, why can't u run caps? just curious.....

IT'S A FOAM TIRE TRACK..PERIOD WERE KEEPING CAPS OUT OF THE EQUATION.
PURPLES ARE THE BEST FOR THIS TRACK AND SOMETIMES A LR PINK,RED RT.FRONT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW WELL THE TRACK WAS PREPED THAT DAY..
WE HAVE ONE OF THE TWO PERMANENT BANKED TRACKS LEFT ON THE WEST COAST AND NOW SHOWTIME IS GOING TO ASPHALT\FOAMS TRACK..
NOTHING WRONG WITH CAPS WHATS SO EVER IT'S JUST A BETTER DEAL HERE ON THE WEST COAST FOR OUR RACERS...

JPH- if you can try and run purple right side tires and pink left side tire with no stagger trued into the tires...destagger that wears in the tires after youve run them will help get the car in the corner and also help with forward bite.

I know that setup works (pink inside purples outside) I was just trying somthing else and was hoping to make it work, but If the only solution to overheating it more rubber than thats what it will be. Thanks.

brian dumb question also...but do blacks heat up in a 4 minute 6 cell stock class also. i had a dialed car but about the 3 minute mark i could do the same thing real loose comin out of the turns. lr white rr aqua rf black lf green. no paragon allowed on the track. the rocket was nice enough to send me a set up so in 2 weeks i'm gonna go back and try it. you dont race 6 cell i understand but maybe you can help a brother out?

hello all....i building a BT510 and am tring to choose which servo i should put in the car...im going to run on a high banked tri-oval ...a pic of the track can be seen at www.hobbystop.com
it is 396 ft.centerline track with around 370 raceline...turns 1 and 2 carry alot of corner speed...i am very new to the pancar racing so and info on servo and chassis will be very helpful
thanks
Qball

An Airtronics 94145 will do just fine.

katfish- yes thay definetely do heat up...in 6 cell its actually worse because the car is heavier...blacks were never intended for asphalt so when they get a bit weird on asphalt that doesnt surprise me at all...i would exclusively use pinks and purples on asphalt unless i was forced to do something different.

qball- the airtronics 94145 works very well...that is the servo i use only...keep in mind that this servo is very fast and doesnt suit everyones driving style.

Brian why don't you run caps on asphalt?

Greg:confused:

most asphalt tracks are usually too slippery to run caps and even if the tracks could run them i think most tracks choose not to because of the cost of caps and the difficulty in getting a consistently good product.

Brian ,Sorry you and Danny could not make the race .... Next weekend SEAFORD del. has the ORL race and maybe you could make that one ,Kraios,Talbot,Marabella,Fie,Me,Sureshot guys and so on for Modified ..The race is Sunday Starts at NOON .... Let me know if you guys need room under the tent SRM;) :wave:

Brian ,Sorry you and Danny could not make the race .... Next weekend SEAFORD del. has the ORL race and maybe you could make that one ,Kraios,Talbot,Marabella,Fie,Me,Sureshot guys and so on for Modified ..The race is Sunday Starts at NOON .... Let me know if you guys need room under the tent SRM;) :wave:

Hey Steve whats up with all your double post.......trying to rack up that post count.....j/k he he

SRM- Ill see what my schedule looks like...maybe i can make it at least sunday up there.

rocket man dont you use a servo intended for helicopters or something? i think billy uses this servo also. could you help q ball out with the correct servo i'm talking about? please....lol