10nastruck- taking the brace out of the rear of an L3O gives you a bit more rear bite but not really enough to even notice. cutting a slot in a tbar definetely gives you more rear bite because you are softening the t-bar therefore allowing it to flex more. for camber i run -2 in the right front and +1 in the left front. tire size i start out at 2.23...i would stop running them around 2.12 or so depending on ride height...as far as getting more corner speed SRM said it correctly in that the rear tires that you run are very critical...i would definetely recommend trying the JACO black rears...we have found this tire extremely fast for almost every carpet track we have been to...not to knock someone elses product but BSR tires are built in a fshion called wrapping meaning the seam of the tire goes across instead of around the tire...we tried this type of tire at JACO about 8 years ago and it didnt work at all....i would try switching and see what happens.

DP27- i think what you may be referring to is that your doing what is called cherry picking by running in the novice class...an expert such as yourself should at least run sportsman...maybe stop all the cheating that your known for and your winning streak would stop...just remember 2nd is like kissing your sister and ive seen your sister so you might enjoy that a bit too much...concentrate on winning and selling overpriced american vehicles...hahahaha:dude: :dude: :devil: :devil:

lolololol, finally the real burkhart comes out!My sister lolololol...I always knew you had a thing for twelve year old chicks! speaking of females how is jen doing,and hows david ? he must be gettin big! unless he takes after his mom and not you.The next time your up here let me know I would love to have you guys up to the house.Hey do ya think you can get that cup buddy of yours to show up to latham if we put on a big enough show? let me know....DP27:lol:

dp27- everyone is doing real good...the boy is growing like a weed...not sure when we will be up again but should be soon...im not sure about that guy showing up and racing with his schedule but it doesnt hurt to ask.

I knew it would take the great DP to bring out the real Burkie...LOL!!! :wave:

BTW: Dave, you gonna make the trip Sunday??

BSR seems to be the tire of choice for most. Cost has alot to do with it for me. The fastest was running BSR blue rears. I will try some different compounds if that is the direction I should go.

By running the black rears is it taking some bite out giving it more steering?

It just seems like I'm scrubbing speed in the corner.
What will more caster do for me? Also a stronger center spring?

10nastruck

try this tire set-up:


RF JACO black
LF JACO grey
RR JACO black
LR JACO grey

if the car is loose try 2 JACO grey in the rear!! im sure this set-up will be good!!

i forgot 1 thing...try another chassis the l30 don t have enought left weight for your track...the pack is not enought on the left side compared to some other car for your track....if you just want to upgrade your car you can try the new ADX chassis or if you can buy a complete car try the MacAttack from RACEtech!

Pace :devil:

10nastruck
If those are foams your running, try cutting the with of your left tire down to the with of a front. You will see a difference. Try I did and cut 3-4 tenths of a second off my time. Depending on the track you run try a harder compond on the right front and softer compond on other three corners. Let me know how it works for you.:thumbsup:

No offence METRODOG , but I would never cut down my tires in the rear. If you have to much traction use a harder tire. SRM:roll:

srm call me when you have a minute!! i got sum sh*t to tell ya Billy

i agree with SRM on this one...narrowing rear tires is usually a quick fix to a problem that exists somewhere else.

SMROCKET & BrianB , Let me ask you this then. Why did BSR Produce pre-mounted sets of rear foams with a cut down left rear?

And if there is an underlying problem with my BT510 slider chasis running on a 355 foot asphalt track with 1.5 to 2 degrees of banking please tell me, because I'm always willing to run faster!

Please Elaborate

mdog, I have never seen BSR with a cut down LR and I run for them. Jaco used to sell narrow whites????? Obviously to reduce the rear traction. But I have to agree with BB and the Rocket. You never want to sacrifice rear traction to make the car turn. The cars today are so adjustable that there are more efficient ways to make the car turn.

To borrow the famous quote from Richie K. "Plant the rear and make it steer" That is a you need to know to run oval.

Danny B Well it might astound you that they also make caps with a narrow left. A pro racer that races at my track (sponsered Racer) holds the 7.3 second 355 foot oval track record! I guess that's planting it with a narrow left rear and lapping the field. I will gladly take a picture of premounted foams and caps if you like and I can post them this weekend. Just let me know.

Greg:wave:


WE

Metrodog, I was just on the BSR, RC4less websites and didn't see any narrow LR foams. I would like to see the picture though.

I am aware that they make narrow caps, in fact I used a narrow LR to TQ the paved nats last year in 19t. But I did you full width rears to win the 6-cell stk national championship at Sandhills in 01'

Do whatever you think is fastest. But I could sense your sarcasm. If you don't appriciate others opinions don't ask questions.

Peace

Metro- i dont know why BSR would or if they even have produced a narrow foam tire...i dont run their tires and dont know alot about the product line...what i do know is that 99% of the time you dont have to narrown the left rear to make your car faster..if thats what someone has done then that is his choice and it fits his style and maybe it will fit yours as well...as i have said many times on this thread that you have find setups that suit YOUR individual driving style...if you ask me a question about something im going to give you the straight answer and im not going to bash a product..i will always give the pros and cons of all products...just so you know also JACO did produce a narrower white rear at one point but it was because the foam sheets were too narrow to cover the wheel and it wasnt worth the cost of another sheet to get the additional width...we as team drivers didnt like this and im certain that most racers didnt either so we voiced our opinion to Jack and now the white rears are full width...i couldnt tell you that if there is an underlying problem with your car but if you can pick up 3-4 tenths off your lap times just by narrowing your rear tires you must not have been anywhere in the ballpark as far as fast laptimes go...ive run thousands of races and never once picked up that kind of time just by making that type of adjustment...most of the time something like that will affect a car by hundredths per lap not tenths....if this offends you im sorry but i did detect sarcasm in your post and this has been a very friendly thread where people can get valuable info without making smart comments...if you dont agree with the info that is your opinion and it might not work for you anyway but im trying to help as many people as possible.

Brian

Do you have a list of durometer readings for Jaco tires?

thanks

10nastruck- i will call Jack and have him send me one...i know some of them but wouldnt want to give you wrong info.

Hey Danny B, is anyone close to us running on carpet still this summer? I just got a new ADX and I'm dying to try it out.
Bye, Dick:wave:

durometer list would be sweet. hard to remember what that blue should have been BEFORE you paragon'd it to death!

Hi Dick, I don't know of any place running carpet this summer. They decided against it at Vinton this summer due to the lack of cars that came last summer and the work involved with setting the track up. You can come run caps at Storm Steel with us. Unless you don't want to chance skratching the chassis:rolleyes:

Have a good one.

Hi Danny, I ran the car at the super tight track at Silvis, Illinos and it seemed just OK. Then I put in the 1/2 degree rear steer adjuster.Whoooopie, it REALLY has some corner speed. I will try to get up to Storm Steel this summer. We've been racing offroad at Silvis, but it just isn't as exciting as oval for me.

Does the Silvis track have a web sight. I lived in East Moline for 10 years(1975-1985). I still have friends back their. It will give me a new place to go when I visit.

Troy

Brian, With akerman in a set position & turning front say 10 degrees is it good too drill a hole in center of two holes on front steering arm & slot it between holes 1&2 & move steering arm up a little to make left front turn more. DOM.

Troy, the web sight for the Silvis track is Quad City Radio Raceway.com. It doesn't get updated very often, but you can see some pictures. They race carpet oval in the winter, and offroad in the summer.They are talking about a possible asphalt oval and onroad track.

oval, I could not get to the sight. Does it have spaces or underscores???
:confused:

Troy

Troy, I couldn't get to the sight either. I'll call him today and see what is wrong.

Where in the world is Bettendorf Iowa my wife is from Algona Iowa.They have a little asphalt oval in the city park that I raced at a few years back.

pepe, Bettendorf is on the border of Ia. and Il. About centered on the border that they share. The whole area is called the Quad cities. I hope this helps.

Troy

DOM- what i do to get the left front to turn more is actually make the servo saver offset..what i mean by this is when the front wheels are pointing straight ahead the servo saver is offcenter to the left..this allows the front to turn a little bit more therefore helping the car get into the corner a little better....ive never tried what you had said but it might work.

Troy, I called Quad City Radio Raceway today, and they said they no longer have a web sight. If you ever plan a trip to the Quad Cities, give me an E-mail. In the winter there are about 7 or 8 places to race within 75 miles.

Its funny that there is so many places to race. When I was there you couldn't find a place to race. I will let you know if I plan on a trip. I know it won't be any time soon as I am in Az. right now. Thanks for the info.

Troy

I've gone through the thread and I can't find information on this, although I thought I'd seen some related posts...

What I'm asking about is this: ?What do you do to your foam tires (carpet oval racing) between rounds at the track?

In the past, I've just waited, "sauced" the tires, wiped them off before the run, and raced... Lately, I see more and more racers cleaning their foams in some way or another after their run - before they do any "saucing"...

The key questions are: 1) Is the extra effort worth it?; 2) What is the best/safest to use to clean the tires? I've seen lighter fluid(?!) and what I believe was denatured alcohol -- both FLAMMABLE...

If this is covered somewhere already, please post a link, and I'll gladly go there to get the information I seek.

Thanks

Tom , I have found that you need to Wash out gas faoms ie purple,pinks etc they get filled up with traction compound and they are way to sticky when this happens. I have in the past also washed out blacks and whites on tracks that have way to much traction coumpound laid down [ Akron carpet nationals for one. I do believe that it helps alot in gas foams but not in regular foam coompounds Hope this helps SRM:)

Tfrahm- it really depends on the type of track you are running...on asphalt tracks i wouldnt recommend doing any washing because traction compound doesnt build up on asphalt tracks like it does on carpet tracks...i dont recommend washing every single run because it takes a bit longer than that to build up the traction to the point that it will hurt you...at the carpet nats i ran tires 3 runs before washing them...some guys were washing every run but it didnt seem to help them a whole lot....as far as what to wash them in just go back to basics and use soap and water...chemicals attack the composition of the rubber and break it down therefore softening it and making the glue very weak.

Thanks for the input...

This weekend, at a two day event (flat Ozite carpet), it was the first time I saw racers cleaning tires between every round! Thanks for the responses, as I couldn't see the value in it, but you never know until you ask!

Brian...I am getting ready to purchase some new batteries and would like your opinion on which type of cell to buy. I run 6 cell stock and am not sure if I should go with smh's, umh's, or hv's. Please let me know your choice and why. Thanks.:)

Hey Lawson...I am lucky you hadn't bought new batteries before the Southern Champs, you would have been there at the end for sure...I would personally go with HV's and I am almost 99% sure that is the same battery that Mr. Burkhart would suggest...they work really well as you can tell.haha..Cya in Orlando.

RYR- yes i would definetely suggest the sanyo HV's..i have only run the panasonics one time and i was not a big fan of them...this is not to say they arent any good but they didnt work with the motor setups we had...the best thing about the HV is that they are almost bulletproof...these batteries like to get hot and if you charge them correctly they absolutely fly...for stock racing i would charge at no less than 8 amps with an .07 cutoff...sometimes we have charged as high as 10 amps and it doesnt hurt the battery at all.

Mr. Burkhart must have read my mind...I charge at 8amps for 6cell stock, and then either repeak at 8 or 9 amps right before my race, and they have so much punch it is unbelievable...even this past weekend, I charged at 8amps, and they barely fell off at all...I love these batteries.

Ovalman- thats enough of the Mr. Burkhart stuff...your making me feel old:cool:

chris you had smh panasonics before and sold them for the old school 2400's now you want to get hv's and run with the big dogs? lol you could have asked billy that question. hv's rock in oval like brian said the best part is the abuse they take. a panasonic would fall off the table and die a nasty death charged at 8 amps! but...in the main at superior last month i ran a new pack of ultras and they ran very good charged at 5 amps. how long they will run that way only ernie knows,lol. chris if you pay more than 60.00 for a pack you are getting ripped off. we charge them at such a high rate i haven't felt a difference between a 80.00 pack and a 50.00 pack. except my credit card told me the 50.00 pack didn't hurt so bad. but no matter what anyone says you will do the opposite anyway,lol. curtis dont let chris fool you he has some real good 2400's he but they are getting old. you own sarasota bro!

HAHA...but they can't keep up with the 3000's that I bought used...haha...I bought some really good HV's used that some guy had been using in the North East for 6cell stock, rematched them on my matcher, and got 4 killer packs...man, I love HV's, and before I matched them they were SMC's, now the are CH2's...haha...and I will drop the Mr. from now on..haha, cya guys...

hey bri,are 2400's the smart choice for the racing im doing/ dirt oval stock/short track 4 min. races? or should I get some 3000's? also does anyone make a 2.0 wheel for the b2/b3 that has the same offset as the customworks wheel or are they it?:cool:

Dave- 3000's will definetely be faster even when runtime isnt a concern they are still faster than 2400's because the voltage curve is flatter so they run faster longer...your stuck with the custom works wheel...nobod does a 2.0 witht the same offset.

Hey Brian does your packs pop and crack and sound like they are going to blow up when you charge them that high !!!!!! I keep mine dead shorted to build voltage and i have found if I do them at 6 and 7 I have a lot lower ir which makes for more punch!!!!! LATER HACKSAW:devil:

hacksaw dead shorts too! i thought i was the only one. sweeeet, now i can say "leave me alone, hacksaw does it too". i get such a hard time for that. oh well im buying more batts so now i can hide the dead shorted ones and leave the regular ones out so people dont know i dead short anymore! w00t.

Yea Josh they all say it kills the cells but mine sure do run good to be dead !!!!!! SEE YA HACKSAW:devil:

Thanks for all the replies. I am going to try some HV's and see how they work out. Cya boys at SH.:thumbsup:

Hacksaw- my packs dont seem to make any noise when i charge them....we stopped dead shorting our packs for no particular reason actually...dead shorting does make your voltage go up a bit but it does hurt the runtime...when running stock this really doesnt matter but even in 19t depending on the track runtime can be very critical...anyone that tells you that your wrong for dead shorting is wrong because its like alot of other things that has pros and cons and you need to figure out what will benefit your situation the most.

will a turbo 30 charge 3000's or do i need a turbo 35?:roll: