You are too funny Dan. :lol: I am glad you guys had fun. If you guys have half as much fun next week you will still have a ball. The Plattsburg race I'm sure will be a great show. Good luck with your show. :thumbsup:

Brian

Way to go Barre :thumbsup:
Sounds like it was a good time had by all.
Congratulations to all the winners and more importantly thanks to all those who supported this event.

We look forward to seeing the same kind of turn-out next week in Plattsburgh for the Jeff Sears Memorial Race as the next stop in the NE Carpet Challenge. Please see their posts for details. This will be like going from Talladega to Martinsville. :cool:

I've retrieved the results off the Barre site and will update the NE Carpet Challenge Points in a couple of days.


See everybody someday....
......At The Track :thumbsup:
Kirt

I never said I had friends :cry: :Brian said I did. :tongue:

i'm your friend Ed :thumbsup: you need someone to help you put grasshoppers in the microwave :lol:


Dan Dubuque

Congratulations to all the winners, especially Mr. Salvas. It is always a pleasure to watch the REALLY fast drivers.
Ed when all else fails for you I will still be your friend. :thumbsup:
Us midgets have to stick together you know :tongue:

Brian

Brian,i didn't wanna bring it up but your also height impaired,yes you have join the group of little people,i'm the 8 dwarf the one they never talk about HORNY :lol:


the mighty midget

lmao :lol:

did you think I didn't know I was height impaired? :freak: Didn't you notice the handicapped plates on my pickup? :jest:

Brian

did you think I didn't know I was height impaired? :freak: Didn't you notice the handicapped plates on my pickup? :jest:

Brian
''those aren't for your height problem, son....

Thanks Keith, go back to class now :rolleyes:

I did say us midgets I was including myself in there :dude:

Going to the big show tonight at the Barre Opera House. See ya on the red carpet Keith :cool: Can I have your autograph? :tongue:

Brian

Just got back from the show. Nice job Keith, but I think your dad was on as much as you were. Can't wait to get things rollin at Thunder Road now. :roll:

Brian

i have heard really good things about my movie, most people like the part where i say that i'm only here to impress myself and nobody else, after i got disqualified on the biggest day of the year. I guess I will get my copy in a few days, so i'll have to watch it at least 10 times the first day....LOL

Try using this thread Dan, it is more recent.

Brian

Hello.

I am a new club member, pretty lost on HobbyTalk.

HOW I GOT HERE

From http://www.barrerc.com/page8.html, I found a link to:

HobbyTalk no man's land (www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/forumdisplay.php?f=105)

From there, I wandered and searched, till I found

a random, old Barre Town RC thread (www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?p=726264#post726264)

I posted a question there, asking if I had found the Barre Rc message board. Teamouellette was kind enough to direct me to this thread.


PROBLEM
Unfortunately for me, I cannot figure out how to find the most recent posts on this thread. I guess when I post this one, it will lead me there. Oh well, problem solved.....?


QUESTION
Am I braindead for finding this so confusing? I am wondering if we might get more newcomers participating on the message board if it were easier to find?

:freak: maybe it's best if newcomers cannot find this thread? Makes it more of a grail to seek? :freak:


NOSTALGIA
Trinity Tech Talk used to be SO cool, when it was purple, black and white, instead of the newer software they use now. Those were the good old days, in the late 1990's, back when the internet was first becoming widely used.

-Dan

Try using this thread Dan, it is more recent.

Brian

Thanks Brian... :)

Cool. After I posted my first note, I found you there.

:dude: ** relaxing ***

Bob (if you are here) and Brian,

About an hour after you left the track Sunday, I tried restarting the computer. It went through the scandisk without a hitch, and booted perfectly. At that point, I fired the Shutdown from the Windows Start menu.

That was pretty weird computer behavior we had when it was not booting correctly. What if it happened on the morning of a trophy race? Has it ever happened before? Just wondering and want to help. I am another guy with who does things with computers for a living. Not that I know everything, but I would be glad to help where I can. I also have some old computers we might be able to use as a backup.

-Dan

You are not the only one to find hobby talk confusing Dan. Too many threads to nowhere and too many threads all together. Just keep track of this thread and you will be okay. :thumbsup: Glad to hear the computer just had a hiccup and not a heart attack. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a back-up just in case. :wave:

Brian

If anyone is up for a good race join us April 22nd, 23rd, and 24th in Lyndonville Vermont for the Vermont State Championships and another part of the North East Challenge! Trophies and Cash payback will be awarded!

For all information visit www.RCToyBox.com

or go to

www.RCToyBox.com/ice.PDF -- PDF file format for east viewing. If you need the free acrobat reader please go to www.adobe.com

Also, if you know anyone thats up for the race please pass this along to them!

RC Toy Box

I used the new "odor free" Paragon today. I trued a pair of brand new Jaco green rears and used the new Paragon all day. I have to say it works just as well as the old Paragon without the wintergreen smell. It has a mild scent similar to mineral spirits, but you almost need to put your nose right on the tire in order to smell it.

We decided as a club to take Easter Sunday off so we can all spend it with our families. We will be racing on Friday night just for this week. The doors will be open by around 4pm Joe Pelkey should be there to open the doors. We will start racing at 7pm run 2 heat races and the mains. Next week we will go back to Sunday again.

Brian

Good news for all the down stairs dwellers at btrc club. The hot summer season is just around the corner and the cool pit spots are down stairs!

Just wanted to let everyone know that ever had to pit down stairs in the cold, I was able to get a 100,000 BTU heater for the downstairs. I will pick it up next week. The same guy that supplied us with our fantastic compressor is willing to supply the heater for cheap. Still trying for free, but cheap is good.

Brian

Picked up the heater for downstairs today. It is brand new and still in the box. The price on the box is over $500, We got it donated. A very special thank you to Dan Wasileuskas. He owns a business in the Lowell Mass area called The Air Compressor Guy, or ACG for short. His phone # is 978-459-4731. If anyone is in need of an air compressor from small to huge he does them all! Give him a call and say THANK YOU!:wave:

Brian

The website is updated, check it out, see everyone Friday night

Congratulations to all the points winners. Lets start off the summer season right on Friday night. :thumbsup:


Brian

Bob, thanks for updating the link. Brian, the 100,000 BTU heater for the basement makes me proud. To me, it is so awesome that we have all the essentials for RC in our VT home ground.

My brother-in-law is a pretty good guy. He helped us out when we needed a compressor too. Heat in the basement has always been an issue since we moved in. Now with the new heater, it should be toasty warm downstairs. Good things just keep happening.:thumbsup:


Brian

should we consider sending your brother a gift certificate to dinner or something? I'll pledge $5.

Heat and Re-shuffling are both great for Barre! If there is anything I can do let me know. Sorry I have not been down to race with you all but I will be back! Fridays will probably work better for me than Sunday mornings! Especially with racing (Late Models) here. Seeing as my Late Model season will be limited (lack of $$$) I am going to try to do the old RCT (Radio Controlled Tour) like Brian Hoar and I used to do years ago. Wednesday somewhere, Thursday somewhere, Friday Barre, Saturday Glens Falls, Sunday somewhere. If anyone is interested in joining me let me know. I have plenty of room!

Dan, we don't need to get him anything. Maybe we can take a group picture and send it to him with a thank you note.

Chuck, hope to see you on Friday. We start back on Fridays this week.

Brian

I want to make it just gotta find something for my Girlfriend to do?????!!!???

C barsalow, there are times when a man has to decide what is important. RC racing tends to create some of those times. If you meet her half way in other areas....

... do you have children with her? That changes the picture.

BRUSHLESS MOTOR?

Soooooooooooooooooo............... now that we have had a chance to run a few weeks kicking around with that brushless motor, rolling around from class to class, what does anyone think about if there is a way I can keep running that motor?

Just in case anyone wonders, the reasons I really want to stick with brushless motor if I can:

1. Cheaper. No one believes that, even when the numbers are spelled out. How much does a set of great racing batteries cost? The speed controller in your stock car? The brushes? The 3 motors you buy to find one good one?

2. More consistent. Even when I turned motors after 1-3 runs to compete in offroad stock truck, motors change over time, and no two motors are the same. The variations lead to driving complications, at least for me.

3. Faster. Ernie Povitti (President of Trinity, sorry for misspelling his name) said it: faster is more fun. I agree. Just my style. It is just so cool to be able to yank on the throttle at any time and make the car go faster. In head to head racing, it is a gas.

4. Less time. Even if the motor has to be restricted to running at low voltage to neutralize the speed advantage, I still really want to stick with brushless. It is so great never having to remove batteries or the motor from the car. All I do it is charge and go, charge and go...

Ok, batteries get replaced every 120 runs for top performance. So far, the only pack I have run in that car is 4 year old Sanyo 2000s. So, I am not even looking toward top performance out of that motor on our track yet. I have run at 75% end point on throttle, and also have geared lower than the motor needs. I do that for quicker acceleration.

The lost track time taking the motor in and out of the car is the biggest issue for me.

Ok, I have had my say... thanks for giving this a chance. I am really interested and wanting to know how other guys feel about this. I don't like being the odd man out (that much).

Dan,
I think the biggest issues you are going to face with regards to brushless motors are:

1. If I'm right, they aren't Roar approved, and from a week to week basis probably wouldn't be a huge issue. However, when we have Trophy races there are people coming from all over the region and if we aren't following Roar rules then there will be huge problems with having a "equal playing field" during trophy races (even if the cars are 100% equal, different can mean unfair for some ppl if they lose).

2. Some people really enjoy working on their motors. It's one of those satisfaction of working with your hands and being able to say "I did that" kinda things.

3. Although you do have points regarding cost, consider that everyone at the track already has the tools/parts/etc to maintain their current setups. There's a lot of money invested there and for those people you'd be asking them to shell out more money to replace something they already have that is working well for them. Granted for someone who would be just starting it might be a little cheaper but not by a whole bunch.

The major issue though is the Roar rules in combination with Trophy races. The Trophy races are what really bring in the money for the tracks maintenance & rent.

Jay

NO KIDS YET!

It's not like when I race my Late Model. She can find a lot to do or sit in the trailer......for a non-competitor like her it is really boring to go to R/c races......I'll see if I can find something for her to do..


Brushless motor legality would require an about face in the electric r/c world as much as I love the idea of them........

get over it, put the brushless motor set up in an airplane where it belongs, put in a brushed motor and go racing! Let the majority of the R/c world decide when it is ready for the change to brushless.....

I'd quit racing before I would revert to brushed motors. My time for the hobby is too limited to stress it out with motor tuning and battery hunting. In fact, I did stop racing for a few years waiting for Novak to come out with the brushless motor after they announced it.

My hands are full trying to keep the rest of my car together, tuned, and learning how to drive it.

I have no problem sitting out trophy races and being DQ'd from points, if people are not ticked at me running in races with them.

As far as the 'legality' goes, the reason they are not legal is the rules are set by companies who cannot offer brushless technology. All the ROAR officers work for motor makers. Why were rebuildable stock motors adopted so quickly when they first came out? Answer: because all motor makers could get in the game.


This is not about RC majority... the RC majority follows the rules. The rules are set by profit motives. Am I mistaken in this?

This is not about RC majority... the RC majority follows the rules. The rules are set by profit motives. Am I mistaken in this?

Dan,
Unfortunately you are right and wrong at the same time. We need to stick to the majority to make money to support the track but your reasoning about the roar rules is probably more correct than any of us want to know. :rolleyes:

However the other point still stands, in order for anyone to run brushless they would have to shell out more money to replace equipment that they already have that is functioning properly.

Either way I don't have a problem running with you. :thumbsup:

Jay

I don't have a problem if it keeps one more racer racing!


What compounds does everyone run at Barre?

Jarrod, you are my hero for life giving a thumbs up to let me run with you. I mean that. Thank you a million times. :thumbsup:

barsalow, same goes for you. :thumbsup:



Regarding compound, starting tomorrow night (April 30), no Paragon classic compound allowed. At last Sunday's drivers' meeting, we discussed results trying the various colors of TQ (purple, orange, etc.) and also Jack-the-Ripper to replace our beloved wintergreen tire juice.

My recollection is that all who spoke were saying that the different TQ colors and Jack the Ripper all work more or less the same. On the track, all are effective after a few warmup laps, whereas Paragon classic (the outlawed one) did not require such warmup.

Unfortunately, even when effective, these safer-to-breathe compounds are not as intense as Paragon. But alas, we cannot keep Paragon classic around. Apparently, it's like sniffing glue or something (very very bad for brain cells), and also triggers asthma. I am friends with someone it made sick who no longer can come to the track. :rolleyes:

Paragon has come out with new 'flavors' that are not harmful to breathe the way the old stuff was. Unfortunatey, one of our sr. members tried it and gave his can away (hint). I believe that driver is running TQ in one of its colors.

Not claiming that any of this is gospel. I have not tried any of the new stuff yet. I still have Paragon that I was hoping to use up before May 1.

Hope this helps.

Yes, Brian aka TeamOuellette did give his can of Odorless Paragon away. It seemed to gum up his tires, however we're not sure if it is because the new Paragon requires you to clean the tires often, or if it was reacting with some other chemical. Jim Clark tried it last Sunday and is going to continue to try it to see if he gets similar "gumming" as Brian. At the end of the day Sunday he was still doing quite well with it. And there definitely is no odor to it.

The variations in TQ all appear to be in lasting time and drying time. The Orange seems to be quite a bit more liquid than the old Paragon and often requires some wiping off as it seems to almost "pool" on the tires rather than soaking in. Although it does soak in and has a nice citrus scent as well. :D I believe the rest of the flavors are all variations in lasting time, but since we run 4min heats/races it doesn't really matter much.

Dan, as far as running goes...anytime, I just have to get the rest of my components to finish my car. :rolleyes: I'm in a somewhat similar situation, coming back to r/c after a looonnggg departure so there's quite a steep learning curve. I'm sure I'm going to have lots of learning to do with setup and of course driving.

On another note the new Barrerc.com site should be up and running in a couple weeks along with a new forum just for us. There won't be anymore getting burried in the rest of hobbytalk. The url won't change so just keep checking it. So far there is a forum for "general chat" and one for each of the classes we run as well as a limited access forum for the track officials. If there are any more you'd like to see let me know. Right now we are held up on the design phase as other paying projects are taking precedence but hopefully the design will be finished in a couple days.

Jay

I just got off the phone with Novak customer service. According to the guy on the phone, ROAR has approved rules for a brushless class for club and event racing. The Novak guy said ROAR will be posting them to their website in the next few weeks.

He described the rules as basically setting up a complete class, like any other. I don't know what the rules will be regarding what chassis allow them, etc.. I guess this will be interesting.

...the new Barrerc.com site should be up and running in a couple weeks along with a new forum just for us. There won't be anymore getting burried in the rest of hobbytalk. The url won't change so just keep checking it. So far there is a forum for "general chat" and one for each of the classes we run as well as a limited access forum for the track officials.

Jay, This sounds awesome! :thumbsup:

More than awesome!
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FANTASTIC!!! :tongue:

I was asking what tire compounds......aka Tire compound......aka green, white, pink, grey????? Once Paragon has been run I assure you the smell will never leave! Guaranteed! Been there done that many times before... The other softeners will keep bringing up the smell every time they are used. That stuff is soaked in the carpet.....just try to stand where the majority of cars burn off.......watch it you may fall it is so slippery! The paragon free is just that......free of TRACTION:) Jack is not bad.....time will tell.

Chuck, most people in Barre run either white or green rears, blue rt front and green left front or some combination there of.

Brain, thanks for the tire info. I had been wondering about them too.

I am sorry I could not make it up to the track this week. I had a very hard week at work. Up all night thursday. Slept through racing Fri night. I am going up there today to do a few chores.

I am new to the oval racing scene and am interested in going to Barre,
I live up in Burlington so it's not too bad a drive...
I am buying a used car soon and was going to try to make it down there to see how good/bad I am, what time do the doors open on Friday,
Also, what should I bring besides my car, tools, and a couple battery packs?
Thanks in advance,
Bobby

Sgiteam,
You really shouldn't need much more than that. You'll obviously need a charger (and possibly a power supply depending on your charger). If you have extra crystals for your radio/receiver you might want to bring those as well just in case you wind up with a conflict in a heat/race.

It's $10 to race and we do have a limited supply of parts so you might want to bring some extra $$ in case there's anything you wind up wanting or needing. If you want, bring some change as we do have a soda machine and candy machine. We also have a change machine if you just bring ones.

Other than that the website www.barrerc.com (http://www.barrerc.com) pretty much sums it up. We should have a new website up and running in a week or so so keep your eyes open.

The track should be open by 5p at the latest depending on who gets there first.

Look forward to seeing you there,
Jay

Should I get a discharger as well?
I am definately going to try to make it down there Friday, I am very interested
If I can't get my car going in time, do you still offer rentals, and what do they consist of?
Thanks,
Bobby

Bobby,
Friday nites we run 2 heats and a main, so you'll need 3 packs or the ability to recharge.

Your best bet might be to post exactly what you have now and we can then tell you what else you might need.

As far as rentals go I believe they are only for the (Bolink) Legends class.

Jay

I'm in Burlington too if you have any questions. I have raced r/c for 18 + years. Maybe we can hook up to go down to Barre.