I see several very good comments about the 1/12 modified A Main. I was marshalling at the start finish line and couldn't determine the outcome with my eye. The scoring system said they both had identical times, meaning a dead heat between them. I am interested in hearing some suggestions about a method of determining a winner in this situation. Let's see want some of the rest of you have to say.

I know this isn't a ROAR race but in the National Guidelines they have a rule that reads as follows:

Page 4 of the National Guidelines
"A Head Referee must be provided by the Host Track. There can be more than one Referee, but only one ‘Head
Referee’. Referees should be experienced in the scales they are refereeing, they must have a good knowledge of ROAR
rules and be a current ROAR member. The Head Referee may not participate in the event or serve in any other official
capacity. A Referee must observe each heat and Main from start to finish. A Referee may be the ‘Finish Line Judge’."

On page 5 of the National Guidelines it reads
To resolve close finishes during the Main Events, the following guidelines apply:
1. The finish line will be clearly marked on the racing surface by a line across the entire racing lane.
2. The finishing order of the race will be determined by the order in which the cars physically reach the finish line.
This will take precedence in the event there is a conflict with the results reported by the computer. The Finish Line Judge
will record the number order of the cars as they physically ‘reached’ the finish line.
3. The finish of all main events, except the A-Mains, will be observed by a finish line judge and/or a dedicated
finish line video camera. The use of both is recommended. The finish of all A-Mains will be observed by both a finish line
judge and a dedicated finish line video camera. In the case of bump-up racing, a dedicated finish line video camera (with
enough film/memory) must be used to record the C, B and A mains in their entirety.
4. The fact that a car crosses the finish line outside the limits of the racing line will not be cause for a penalty
unless it results in an advantage over another car. If an advantage is gained, the minimum penalty will be 10 seconds.

I think that this would pretty much solve the problem especially if there is someone that is dedicated to only looking at the finishing results. That person would be more in tune and focused on his job then some possible disstraction. I also know some are going to be like this isn't a ROAR National race but it is a National level series and rules should be looked at form everywhere.

All I have to say is WOW. The NORCAR gang put on a great race. Everything went smoothly and i'm pretty sure everyone had a great time. The racing was soooooo close. Looks like Cleveland is going to be very interesting next month. Anyways, Can't wait to race with you guys again. Hopefully at the Nationals. :thumbsup:

xpressmen.....I have not been racing long but I have never seen a camera set up at a finish line yet so I am not sure that they did anything different than any other race. We have already heard that a person that was at the start/finish line was unable to tell who won most likely because they were tumbling.

For the future, the camera seems like a decent idea but it there are other issues such as cost, 1 more thing to manage on a race day and who knows what else. just my .02

A big thanks to Dave Mogg and the others who helped keep the snacks and beverages stocked up. Great job.

All I have to say is WOW. The NORCAR gang put on a great race. Everything went smoothly and i'm pretty sure everyone had a great time. The racing was soooooo close. Looks like Cleveland is going to be very interesting next month. Anyways, Can't wait to race with you guys again. Hopefully at the Nationals. :thumbsup:


Bobby-glad you had a great time. There are so many people and companies to thank. From the great sponsors to the great racers to the guys from the club who kept the trash cans empty!! I know I must have restocked and cleaned the bathrooms about 30 times in those few days. The bathrooms stayed amazingly clean considering the traffic that room was receiving!!!!!

I want to Thank every single person who had anything to do with this event. Yes-EVERY SINGLE person-Thank-you

I'm still tired.....

Ray - You're welcome! :lol:

Yes, thank you guys for a great race, great announcing, and last of all, exciting mains. See everyone at the champs. Catch up on all the sleep that we missed this weekend.

Dan Hartman

Thanks to the NORCAR gang, especially Aaron, Ray and Jimmy.

Great job, Ian. Exciting as usual.

Way to choke, Tony!!

When I raced sprint cars the USAC rule was in the event of a tie the order reverted back to the last complete lap. What ever you do has to be understood upfront. What you guys decided was the only right thing to do under the circumstances. Any other decision at that point and somebody was not going to like the decision.

Great tune-up for the Champs. I think the Snake is ready. See you guys in a month.

Guys let me know if youll have a clean-up date/time like too help.

Dan :thumbsup:

Guys let me know if youll have a clean-up date/time like too help.

Dan :thumbsup:


Dan Hartman-Thanks!!

Dan medved-beleive it or not-we worked on track a bit Sunday night and I went in today to let the rental company pick-up the tables and chiars and i did more sweeping and cleaning while they loaded!! Place is only a an hour with two people from being back to normal.

Thanks and I will let you and Pete know a time. E-mail me again your phone number so i can call you up. And btw-A HUGE thank you to you and Pete and Dave Usnik for all your help all day!!!

Thanks to the NORCAR gang, especially Aaron, Ray and Jimmy.

Great job, Ian. Exciting as usual.

Way to choke, Tony!!

When I raced sprint cars the USAC rule was in the event of a tie the order reverted back to the last complete lap. What ever you do has to be understood upfront. What you guys decided was the only right thing to do under the circumstances. Any other decision at that point and somebody was not going to like the decision.

Great tune-up for the Champs. I think the Snake is ready. See you guys in a month.

Thanks Dean-as you know it was a lot of work and to be honest-this race snowballed from a "hope we get a 100 entries" race to the 210 entry, Proffesional Teams, national caliber Monster it was in a matter of a few weeks!!!

I am already creating word documents with things I think we can improve on and things we need for 2004!!


Also-werent our tech guys GREAT???? Those guys rocked and never left their posts!!! Wow-were they awesome!!

Ray

So, did Mo get that guy's paycheck?

-Rich

Mo outqualified old boy by a lap or two. Mo got the si_ beat out of him the main and Dayger was one of them. Mo got broke.


Thanks to Ray, Jimmy, and Aaron. Had a great time guys.....


RB Love

Mo built my Speedmerchant Rev3 for me and it is the fastest-yet easiest to drive 12th scale car I have ever driven. Thanks Mo!!!

Michael Thomas, Bill Jeric, Dave Morrow and I all had a Great time battling to stay in the A-Main and in the end-I think my inexperience showed as I felll from 8th to 11th in the last two qualifiers!!! and my car was fastest in the last two qualifiers, not the first two. I am always learning!!!

Mo outqualified old boy by a lap or two. Mo got the si_ beat out of him the main and Dayger was one of them. Mo got broke.


Thanks to Ray, Jimmy, and Aaron. Had a great time guys.....


RB Love

Mo got Toolboxed!!! :lol: :lol:

Wasn't the bet based on qualifying position?

-Rich

Rich,

Mo and Dunnigan were in a world of their own. The only two guys to go 43 laps.............

Mo got Toolboxed!!! :lol: :lol:
Don't you mean Fished

You are absolutely right, Ray. I think tech ran as smoothly as I have seen at a race. No hassles, no waiting.

Denton hits everything out there. It was only obvious he was going to break in the main, he about broke every qualifier he was out there. As far as Dayger taking him out in the main, its not true. They were side by side going into the only relatively tight section of the track and Mo pinched him to the inside so dayger hit it. Nobodys fault it was just a racing insident. I've been checking this forum out before the race and I have never seen Jeff run, but after this weekend it is clear that he can drive fast laps despite being without any horsepower. But the locals were tough.

What a great Mod 12th main!

Great show AARON...

You are absolutely right, Ray. I think tech ran as smoothly as I have seen at a race. No hassles, no waiting.


TECH was DIALLED!!! Those guys kept everyone check, and moving all weekend long, and they kept us properly informed in Timing/Scoring for the whole weekend.

Dean and Dan: Thanks for the words of encouragement and look forward to more of the same at the Champs!!!

I am sick of people bashing me out here , now I hit everything?
I suppose my 43 lap run (one of only 3 in stock 1/12,and one was masters) wasnt good enough? should have gone 44 I guess.I spend all weekend working on peoples motors and rebuilding peoples cars to help as much as possible just to have some a#$hole come on here and talk @#%&. Its funny the people that say stuff that are the people that never put their names at the end of their posts and never go outside and race to put their mouth at ease. instead they sit in front of the computer for 23 hours a day and read up on set-ups and whos fast at this time or that time then proceed to talk about it like they know everything. Dayger is fast I never said he wasnt, I outqualified him by a lap but what do you expect that is my home track I race there EVERY weekend and OHIOMAN wherever your from (obviosly not ohio judging by your local guy comment)whatever you saw in the main you need to open those eyes a little more I ended up with a broken chassis two broken body posts and lost a damper tube in the main I would agree that I wreck somtimes but when I take my body off and have a crc sticker on the INSIDE of my body I would say I had a little help
anyway congrats to Dunnigan for a great weekend and to Rob Love for putting it 4th on the grid
and to the retards who let me vent my steam every now and then, come see me in the champs
Mo Denton

WOW!!!!!!



Good post Mo......



-Wayne

I said it before and I'll say it again-MO BUILT my Rev3 kit and it was dialed!!! For two rounds I was ahead of guys who used to outqualify me by 3 or 4 laps!!! He didnt want anything for doing it-though I tried to take car of him anyways!!!

If I tried to go 43 laps I would be hitting stuff too!!! :lol:

I've watched the top 10 guys qualify for months and they run so hard and take SOO many chances running fast and tight-how can you not tap once in awhile. I tapped tree times just doing a 40 8 flat!!! hahaha!!!

I would love to see your post stay here for an eternity Mo-so edit the cussing please so it won get deleted for years to come......

Mo for president!!

Tree times? Engrish isn't your first language, eh? HAHA!!!! Just kidding, my fellow Asian bro!

-Rich


I tapped tree times just doing a 40 8 flat!!!

Denton hits everything out there. It was only obvious he was going to break in the main, he about broke every qualifier he was out there. As far as Dayger taking him out in the main, its not true. They were side by side going into the only relatively tight section of the track and Mo pinched him to the inside so dayger hit it. Nobodys fault it was just a racing insident. I've been checking this forum out before the race and I have never seen Jeff run, but after this weekend it is clear that he can drive fast laps despite being without any horsepower. But the locals were tough.

What a great Mod 12th main!

Great show AARON...


ohioman: Unfortunately, You're either on drugs or blind. The incident to which you're referring happened: A. After Dayger hit a board and spun around, and B. Drove right into the side of Mo's car. In no way am I professing that Jeff did it intentionally, but that's what actually happened. I saw it unfold right before my very eyes. You don't get to be one of only TWO drivers to run 43 laps on a layout by hitting everything. Mo hit a ton of stopped traffic when it was spread all over the driving line in the corners he happend to be in, but most of those hits were ABSOLUTELY unavoidable. And if you wanna see somebody wheel with a ripless car, watch PULFER.

Mo,

Do not even listen to this idiots. Everyone who knows you or was there knew who had the car to beat. You and the car were dialed bro. You're right. All you did all weekend was help EVERYONE. I myself appreciate ALL of the help. I wouldn't have ended up where I did without your help.

As for Dayger. He did have a good car and is a great driver. I thought what he did to you was dirty, but that is now done and over. We have Cleveland next month to start all over.

To note. I have never seen A mains so dirty and out of control. Everyone was getting peeled:) My new paint scheme is going to be a bullseye on the roof.............


RB

It sounds like Mo never got that guy's paycheck? If it wasn't given to him, then that's pretty cheesy in my book.

-Rich

Hey guys just want to give a shout out to the NORCAR crew. The race went off without any problems. They did a FANTASTIC :thumbsup: job the entire weekend. Racing went smoothly and the announcing as always ROCKED THE HOUSE by my man Ian! Great Job guys. The Big Boys Toys Crew & Myself had a great time. See ya all in Cleveland.

fleetwood, in my glorious C-Main Sedan run I got a killer start as usual and got up to 4th from 9th. Was holding my own with an i'll handling car and a guy (I wont forget this paint job!!!) went inside of me, put his nose on my rear body work and turned out-spinning me into the board. Now THATS dirty driving!! It took my 2 minutes to catch the 5th to 8th place train and when I did-I had no car to race with. Bummer.

Your right-racing in general has gotten less respectful. Champs is even worse!!

Ray

Tree times? Engrish isn't your first language, eh? HAHA!!!! Just kidding, my fellow Asian bro!

-Rich

Rich,

I thought you were french? Last time I listen to Aaron.

Oui Oui, I am French, but I am posing as an Asian so that Ray doesn't think I am being racist. LOL!

-Rich

ooohhh-la-la!!!

Anyone have Tony Williams' e-mail address??? PM me with it if so.

Thanks,
RB Love

Anyone have Tony Williams' e-mail address??? PM me with it if so.

Thanks,
RB Love
Done!!

1/12th masters A

Bob Vanwagner 42 8:09.3
Bud Bartos 42 8:09.7
Eli Ezrow 41 8:07
Mike Thomas 41 8:09
Kelly Bean 41 8:10
Mark sweeny 41 8:11
Chuck Lonergan 40 8:01
David Lee 40 8:04
Bill jeric 40 8:05
Dave Morrow 39 8:03

1/12th stock A

Mike Dunnigan 43 8:18
Mike pulfer 42 8:05
Wayne gerber jr 42 8:08
Paul ciccarello 42 8:11
Ray Darrouch 41 8:01
Jeff Dayger 41 8:06
Dana Bailes 41 8:07
Aaron Buran 41 8:11
Greg Anthony 40 8:08
Mo Denton 33 6:31

1/12 Mod A

Mike Dumas 45 8:03.431
Josh Cyrul 45 8:03.431
Mike Blackstock 45 8:05
Mike McMahon 45 8:09
Eric Descrosiers 44 8:01
Walter Henderson 44 8:02
Mike Lufaso 44 8:06
Chris Doseck 44 8:07.5
Jon Orr 44 8:07.8
Jeff Brown 44 8:11

TC Stock A

Mike Dunnigan 26 5:00
Ray Darrouch 26 5:04
Chuck Lonergan 26 5:05
Greg Anthony 26 5:06
Rob love 26 5:10
Kevin Kane 25 5:05
Eli Ezrow 25 5:07
Rich Martsolf 25 5:08
Brad Johnson 19 4:01
Dana Bailes 10 2:04

TC Mod A

Josh Cyrul 29 5:05
Paul Lemieux 29 5:08.2
Mike Blackstock 29 5:08.22
Mike dumas 28 5:03
Jon Orr 28 5:09.6
Andrey Grey 28 5:09.9
Eric Descrosiers 27 5:02
Craig Xavier 25 5:02
Mark Adams 7 1:23
Chris Doseck 6 1:08

Pictures are up!!! NORCAR Halloween Classic (http://www.the-big-al.com/norcar)

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Seaball......our shop will be there ready to work with you guys in anyway we can for the Classic....and the guys from this area will definitely be there for the race as always.....lookin forward to another good one.

jim