Hey, I'll loan you a servo. Bring it.

i'll drive em all.lol i'm not use to a big ol truck. but i'll wheel anything. john ain't skeered. he be a cool dude.

nope, john knows what i like in my cars.... besides i don't wheel associated on off road.

I know he ain't scared. Just ruffling his feathers.

Johns my buddy. He helped me alot last year. Made for gooooood racing.

john knows how many races i won at planet. we had some good times there. john would help anyone.

Dan, Dan Rowlett is that you I see on this thread? Are you ready to race yet?

If it is you give me a call.

Blueracer, you said you'll wheel anything. Then you say, you won't wheel associated offroad stuff. COME ON, make up your mind.

Re: john knows how many races i won at planet.

Do me a favor blueracer, don't knock yourself out, by patting yourself on the back too hard.

This ain't Planet. :devil:

Karl your supposed to be attracting racers, not goading them into staying away!

Karl, It's not gonna work....I only race on real off-road tracks.

Blueracer55 doesn't need your S148 servo. He would kick your tail anyway!

Oh, I'm just kidding.
Sometimes people just say the funniest things.

Hustler ( Is this Sean? ) come out, join the party.

BOoooHahaa, BOoooHahaa, BOoooHahaa!....... dat FUNNY!

OK John, where are the real off-road tracks?

What would it take to be called a real off-road track? :confused:

S148 good one. :jest:

Karl your supposed to be attracting racers, not goading them into staying away!You're at the top of the list now Karl , at least it's not me for once.

No, Ben. Just alittle smack talking going on here. Nothing serious. But, if someone gets offended. Whaaaaaaaaaa. :cry:

It would take more than alittle smack talking to take your spot Ben, your still on top. :thumbsup:

Plus, Pauls coming up. haven't you heard. That's one more racer.

Paul Hill?

Good one Ben..

Karl will race anything ...even a bench...it don't matter bring it on!

Ben, do you still have your truck? Is it ready? If so bring it out on Saturday.

By the way Congrats on your Second Place finish in Racine.
(Midwest Series Race) :thumbsup:

Ben, do you still have your truck? Is it ready? If so bring it out on Saturday.

By the way Congrats on your Second Place finish in Racine.
(Midwest Series Race) :thumbsup:Thanks, could've been first if my PT hadn't come loose but then again it couldv'e been last if came off completely and stopped counting. Truck's pretty much ready, how fast does the servo need to be? Do you use brakes in stock truck? Is the track goin to be doing any practice sessions where they prepare the track like on race day? I'd like to get some track time so I don't have to learn in my first few heats.

Ben any of your decent servos will do.

You should try and come out during the week to get extra practice in.
I will try to be there by 9:00AM. Racing starts at noon. They water the track throughout the day. But, get there early to get the most practice.
I don't use brakes.

If you want to see a real off-road track go to planet.We can complain all we want,I can think of quite a few people that would be there every week if there was still a true off-road,thats more than the oval is attracting.I have taken a few laps there,not my cup of tea,but some may like it.

i'll race an associated car. but i prefer a losi. i've raced bothe of them. hey corey looks like john, and i stirred the locals.lol if john wants me to be there i will. otherwise i have alot of buisiness to take care of. john, anytime u need me let me know. remember i never dogged the track guys. i can say the locals can talk a little game? but the power is within the wheel, and trigger. had fun guys, but ur all getting to serious. hope ur track gets better. maybe i can some of my boys to come up later this summer. a little north verses south action.
paul

Karl,

If you need to ask where the real off-road tracks are, your wasting my time.
I'm doing GrafiX now and I'm thinking about making you a sign to wear that says

" WILL TALK SMACK TO GET RACERS"
Then you can bash on the net and then stand by the road and call people names. No matter what you do if the track is not good then IT"S NOT GOOD!

Paul,

It's all good. I got your email and I couldn't agree more! :cool:

My wife thinks that we sound like a bunch of women!

John, I don't think that I called anyone any names. You know me. I just would like to see a bigger turnout. If that offends you, I'm sorry. But,
I'm not the one saying that I will only run at real off-road tracks.
The only real bashing I see is from other people bashing the track because its not good enough. It may not be perfect, but it's a place to race. Am I wrong with that statement? I will say to you, come on out and race. Lets have some fun. Talk alittle smack if necessary. Thats it. No need to make it personnal, you're still my buddy.

I know that you are good off-road racer, and we have alot of newer drivers here. Is that the real problem? If Brian Kinwald raced here, everyone would race here, do you think? John, you and Paul could teach the new guys a thing or two. That would be a good thing.

If I missed the mark here. explain it to me. Wouldn't a bigger turnout get things to change. In the fall, when oval was the biggest thing going. Didn't they get the best days on the schedule. It sure wasn't touring. What I'm saying is if we want a better offroad track, we need to support the track.
Then we will most likely get what we want. Not supporting sure as heck isn't working. Do you guys get what I'm saying. :roll:

Paul, just talking alittle smack at you. I'd love to get schooled.

Like I said,the more I race,the more new things I learn. The better I get.
That's what it's about for me. The challenge of getting better.

Karl,

I'm not taking it personel...I can have fun too.

I supported the track all last year....even helped build it...look where it got me.
I like to race for fun, I can do that in my back yard for free. I am competitive and that is what I want when I pay to race.
I feel sorry for the guys that only have summits track to run on. It is a far cry from what it was last year and rather embaressing to look at.
Don't kid your self...I know Kinwald and he wouldn't race there.
How can I get Off-road racing to grow in the fort when the track is not worth running on?

i haven't raced off road for a while. i had my bk2 for three weeks, and sold it. i got really burnt out. by burnt out i mean serious. when i get serious it's time to try a different kind of racing. racings like a woman. first u love it, then it nags at u. lol.... just keep it fun, and people will show. i don't have a clue y we are doing decent. i hope ur track does well. this hobby needs to spread no matter what. if the youth loses interest we have nothing. u guys take it easy.
paul

Yeah, I know about getting burnt out too. I took about six months off, didn't look at stuff, didn't touch my stuff. But then I got the urge to get busy again. Boy was I rusty. I know that I take this all too serious too. But, I like the challenge.

I don't know any good racers that don't take it very serious. You almost have to, to get good. Don't you think?

Well, we will see what the next couple of weeks bring.

Maybe, the track will change.

John, when and where are the next good off-road races. That are coming up in the next few weeks. Maybe I could tag along. Race and check it out. It never hurts to see how other guys do it.

Karl.

http://www.planetrcraceway.com
Indoor state champs. ( that's where I'm goin )

Region 5 roar race in Litchfield Mich.

ROAR stock nats, Missori in july ( that's where I'm goin )

Indiana State race, Lynn, IN sept 04 ( that's where I'm goin )

even the Planet had to pay Kinwald to show up for a race

Karl, I'm sick and tired of people that say someone is "whining" when they voice their opinion. Owners need to listen to the customers just as if it was a large corporation. Racers spend alot of money on equipment and want to race on nice tracks. Even over at hardesty they get 40, 50 and sometimes up to 100 racers because they build nice tracks. Yeah, you have to drive to planet and the other tracks, but for the money you already have in a good car and eguipment it is worth it. Sounds like your "whining" cause no one will stay home and race with you. Speaking up is how changes happen. Well I should say if people listen!!! :thumbsup:

Ok, let's get back to the basics...

Saturdays - track opens at 9:00 AM, racing at Noon

3 heats, 1 main
Offroad classes...
2WD Stock
2WD Mod
Truck Stock
Truck Mod
4WD Mod

Oval classes ...
2WD Stock
2WD Mod
Truck Stock
Truck Mod
4WD - touring chassis, buggy chassis
4WD - Oval specific chassis (Dominator, etc.)
Sprint Cars

$12 first class
$6 each additional classes

All B.S. aside, come on out and race!

Scott, you have a PM...

Fergie, I only say it's whinning when you hear the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. :roll:
I do agree with you that people, including myself spend alot of money on this hobby. More than our better halves like, to say the least. And you are right, the owners should listen. Thats the part that is so frustrating. As I said before the oval guys, showed up and raced. They got the best days to race on. Now, these same oval guys, ( that showed up to race, and supported the track.) wanted to race dirt oval. So, I believe that influenced the decision making process so far. Problem is that they haven't been out to race.

So, what I'm trying to say is if the off-road guys show up, I believe that Dale and Phil would be more than happy to make the appropriate changes.

Does that make sense? Also, I'm not trying to condemn anyone, for not showing up. I just don't understand all the complaining. If there is a growing turnout for off-road, and no turn out for oval, what do you guys think would happen? I believe the track owners would change the track. If they didn't I would be very confussed.

Hey, I'm already confussed. :freak:

Fergie, I do go to other tracks. Maybe not as often as I'd like. But, if no one supports the track here, then going to other tracks will be our only option.

Also, guys don't take everything I've said so darn personnal. geezzz. :devil:

I'm in this hobby for the fun of it not the argueing. Alittle smack talking and people freak out. What's wrong with alittle challenge now and then. :thumbsup:

John, Thanks for the info.

Am I still at the top of the list or is Karl there yet?
Wow..all this whining got me motivated to rebuild my NTC3! Woohoo!

Get it on. WOW WOW WOW. This is great I can here all this SMACK all the way up here, and I'm not even on the computer. Once again Summit's threads is the most popular and the most exiting. I for one am to scared to come out and race at Summit. Karl, your way to scary for me................. I might come out and race this Saturday, if you tell me you love me..................... :D

Karl, you wouldn't here the same things over and over and over if there was a reaction to the complaints. Also you can't expect people to support a track just because it is in your your home town. Yes we all want to have a track here but it has to fit our needs or we go elsewere. Oval had good turnouts indoors this winter but if you made the indoor track smaller or put a 4 foot table top on the backstretch would they still have come. They were here because the track was the right size and had great carpet. It fit there needs. In cinncinati the oval track doesn't get anyone because its to small. No one is taking things personal. This is a fantastic way for people to speak there minds. When things aren't going well it's best to debate and find solutions. Solutions come from listening to the customers. :cool:

Adonovan, you're scaring me, if you need me to tell you that I love you, but, you are my buddy. Hee Hee. :D

Fergie, you are 100% correct. I could not agree with you more. I know that I may come across alittle harsh at times. I just look at it a different way, I guess. I know that the track is not the way that I would like it either. But that is not my point. What I have been saying this whole time is that, a bigger turn out could possibly cause things to change in our favor. What alot of people don't see is that we aren't the only ones making demands on the track owners. Everyone is. The oval guys, the touring guys, the off-road guys, the 1/12th scale guys all want things a certain way. As is plainly obvious is that the track can't do it all. So what happens is that decisions are made based on the number of people that don't just talk, but come out and support the track. Then afterward the people that didn't get thier way are upset. And whine, as I like to call it. Also, a side effect of this is that people like John and other who's names I can't remember, donated alot of thier time and effort last year to see the off-road track happen, now feel like they have been let down by the track owners. But, we have to remember that the track can't survive on the 5 to 10 guys that donated thier time and effort. I know that I don't have all the answers. I don't even want to have all the answers. I know that I am a die hard racer that is looking towards the future, not just the here and now. I know what it's like to see a turn out of almost 100 guys a week. I don't believe right now that this will happen in the Fort in the near future. But for now, I believe that things can and will change, and that support by everyone will help speed up this change.


Karl :thumbsup:

Ben, you are still on top though. Quit, yelling at the turn marshals. :devil:

Karl.....

http://www.danacarvey.net/media/snl_cl_extra_special.wav

O.K everyone, I think that I have said all that I needed to say about this subject. My point has been made. Lets give it a couple of weeks to see what happens. It is still early in the season. Lets all relax, race, have a couple of wings and toss down a few beers at Peanuts. This IS supposed to be fun right?

Still your Buddy,
Karl :thumbsup:

Good one John.

Karl, all this talk is also fun. Looking at both the pictures you and John posted makes me smile. Here is my last word concerning your comments. If you want people to race in the fort then the owners need to do what the successful tracks around the country do. And you can't expect customers to come to your place first, then make changes. You need to "attract" the customer to your place. Give them what they want then they will come. Not expect them to come first then give them want they want. They can already get that elsewhere!! No hard feelings, just good honest debating. :cool:

wow picture pages.lmao....