can someone tell me the best way to condition and charge these packs to get the best voltage and run time out of them....also should you dead short these packs
Thanks
Qball

First what kind of charger do you have?

i have a turbo 35....what to charga at...discharge at...peak detect?...repeak at?....any info to get the best voltage and run time will be very helpful
Thanks
Qball

My son races 4 cell 1600 spec legends, I use 4 amps with a .056 cut off on my Pitt Bull. I use the .056 to heat them up, I read somewhere the new Nimh have to hit 125 deg. to be fully charged.

Yeah you need to heat up the Ni-MH cells. BUT the 1600 Spec packs from Trinity are not Ni-MH. They are still Ni-CAD's. :)

charger at 5 AMPS thats what i was told :thumbsup:

rowle 1jt..You are right they are Nicd...I thought the reason Trinty changed from 1400's to 1600's was to start using Nimh cells...what a rip off!

YEAH :mad:

As with all Nicads....Bring them all the way down, and dead short them. If you are running 4 minute races, go ahead and charge at 6 amps for the extra voltage. Charge at 5 if you are running long races.

I'm using the 1600 Spec. Charging at 6.5a and I discharge at 30a. Discharging that hi gives the battery memory to dump the juice faster for more zap. Running 4 min runs..have plenty left after the run :thumbsup: (20 turn stinger)...M

Really WOW.

i have a turbo 35 stealth,a turbo 30 with buzz box mode. does anyone know anything about the Integy Torpedo.and can anyone explain to me what the buzz box on my turbo 30 is and how to set it up.
Any info. will be very helpful
Thank you
Qball

Charge at 6 amps discharge at 30 dead short.you can use the torpedo to bump with it seems to lower the internal resisitance somewhat for a more punchy feeeling.

how do you like those packs cus i heard they werent really for racing??? :)

cus i heard they werent really for racing??? :)
You heard wrong. They are EXACTLY for racing. For Spec class racing, they would be a good basher pack, better than any 1500's out there! Whoever told you they weren't for racing was smoking something. :dude:

Well they said they werent that good for the stock truck class for spec class they arre perfect. how long do they last and do they make matched one? :thumbsup:

Were running 1600's in stock noviceand spec. Replced the 1500's Don't know about matched set, but I have 4 paks,seem to be very consistant. Good juice and very strong after a 4 min run.

yeah i bet they are good for the novice class but i was thinking of getting one but i race the stock truck class and i use 2400's

I,ll check and see wat our guys are using for stock oval tks. Not sure wat our club rule is for them.Were off tonight, don't race again till next week. I'll try and check during the wk....M

Im talking about off-road. I race oval in the winter but i race 4 cell pan cars. and no one there uses 1600's .I know for oval not to use them but i think i will just stick with the ones i use. :thumbsup:

rowle 1jt..You are right they are Nicd...I thought the reason Trinty changed from 1400's to 1600's was to start using Nimh cells...what a rip off!
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What's the ripoff? Same price as before but 300mah more. No ripoff here.

Whoever said the spec packs weren't for racing doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. We race them in touring with spec motors, (they can run with a car setup with stock motor and 3300's for a 5 minute race), we run them on the oval, (6-cell spec powered car with spec battery and motor can run as fast and even alsight bit faster than 4-cell 19T with batteries up to 3300) and we had run them in offroad trucks where they ran equal to stock too.

Oh yeah they're for racing! Good, fast, cheap racing!

What this guy told me was they werent good for stock class or mod class he didnt say the spec class.

To put it bluntly: You need a new source. The new spec packs are really good packs for stock/spec and apparently your "guy" has never used one. :)

He has some but he tryed to race them in the stock truck class and it didnt work very well . We race a spec class too and they use them.

can we get back to the trinity 1600 6-cell spec packs,,,not 2000.2400,,,3000,,,33000...but charging and discharging these spec packs to get the best voltage and run timeout of them.
Thanks Guys
Qball

I have had good luck in 4 cell legends class using a 6 amp charge with a .06 dropback. I use the same on the repeak. I have also used the torpedo for more up front punch. I discharge at 20 amps to 3.60 then hang a 2 cell light bulb on it till they are dim. I finish them off with a battery bug.

Testing them on the turbo 35 seems to show they are pretty durable and consistant.


Craig

This has been good enough for the track record at Red Fox race way in MT.Vernon OH.

I'm charging at 6.5amps,discharge at 30amps dead short. I use one pack only twice in the same night for longevity. Cycle them thru once during the week.Running 4 minute runs with good power throughout, Plenty left at the end. Works for me :thumbsup: Were running them in spec and a 20 turn novice class with a pan car..very fast!!

does anyone know if you can zap this stick pack and if so what exactly does zapping these packs do....also i ran some of my packs today and they seemed flat no punch...run time wasnt there either.
Thanks
Qball

does anyone know if you can zap this stick pack and if so what exactly does zapping these packs do....also i ran some of my packs today and they seemed flat no punch...run time wasnt there either.
Thanks
Qball
You can zap these cells,you will probably have to run them a couple of times to get the flatness out or try to cycle them.

Zapping these cells doesn't seem to help them like it did for the 1300's, try cycling them at 7 amps and 20 amp discharge, when they are done put a light bar on them until it goes out and then put 1 bulb on them until cool, seems to help alot.

We're starting a spec class for 2wd F1 on road and i would like some charging and cycling advise.
We're running Trinity street spec motor and Trinity 1600 street spec pack (6 cell). On road course, 8 min. qualifiers, 8 min. mains.
I'm charging with a Turbo 35. Any help is appreciated.

for 8 min races I would charge at 5 amps at a .03 detect and a 20 amp discharge.

for 8 min races I would charge at 5 amps at a .03 detect and a 20 amp discharge.

.03 is not enough peak. If you dead short them go for .06-.08 mV. I've been charging my same race pack for two years at 6.5 amps and they are still good for on-road racing.

Chad you run 4 min races though not 8.

5 min. main for touring. I haven't been able to get a full charge with .03mV. So, I set it to .065mV.

.03 might work for a charge at 5 amps w/o deadshorting the pack. But there might be a greater risk of a false peak.

loosenut: just experiment with the delta peak setting. less amp charge=more runtime but less punch. Depending on your track and gearing, you may not need the extra power.

I always use long lockout to prevent false peaks,but running A TC is totally diffrent than an oval car,where as we need the punch on the oval, you need more runtime on the roadcourse,especially if you're running 8 mins. 5 amps is good for maintaining runtime and getting a decent punchy feel actually 4 amps might even be better for this particular application.Like Chad said you just need to experiment a little and find what is going to work best for you.

Thanks for your help guys. I've been using 3300 nmh last couple of years so the ncad is a switch backwards but spec ought to be fun. I hear turbo flex might be some advantage...any thoughts?
Also, how many cycles does it take to get these packs to come to life? My first cycle only gave me about 1200 mahrhttp://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/images/icons/icon9.gif

Thanks for your help guys. I've been using 3300 nmh last couple of years so the ncad is a switch backwards but spec ought to be fun. I hear turbo flex might be some advantage...any thoughts?
Also, how many cycles does it take to get these packs to come to life? My first cycle only gave me about 1200 mahrhttp://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/images/icons/icon9.gif

three or four cycles

do all the above rules pertain to 4cell spec 1600??? By the way great thread !!!!!!!!!

Four cell spec 1600's. If you dead short them expect about two months or less of good run times after that run times fall way off. Voltage will still be great but run times are bad.

Four cell spec 1600's. If you dead short them expect about two months or less of good run times after that run times fall way off. Voltage will still be great but run times are bad.
I've noticed the same thing for the six cell packs also,if you race spec class on a weekly basis, plan on buying a new pack at LEAST once a month.

ok what if ya just drop them with the single bulb?

Been spec racing for some time and I charge at 8 amp @.07 drop back on turbo 35 then put on torpedo right before I go to race takes 3 or 4 min. for torpedo to do its thing.Race is 4 min. long running spec motors with 4383 brushes these batteries hold up pretty well for the price. Bush87

ummm what's a Torpedo? hope that's not a dumb question

www.integy.com Indi torpedo battery boosting system

I just started cycling my SPEC packs from last year, they have sat shorted all summer(off road during summer, now back to carpet). I was pretty amazed at my findings. You guys may squawk at my routine, but it has worked well enough for me to win my point series....

Charge at 6amps, punch with torpedo, cool, discharge at 15amps(dont think spec motors pull much more than this??), single light until next cycle(whenever i get to racing again). Race day, charge at 7, punch with torpedo, AND RUN BABY!!!

Now some info...

Last year, i taped the back of the packs and wrote average, MAH, and ir on them. One pack i just recently did basically astonished me.

Last year:
Av: 6.229
MAH: 1498
IR:86

This year:
Av: 6.537
MAH:1554
IR:69

I figured these packs would be trash because i basically left them dead shoerted for about 7 months, but as you can see by the numbers, it actually got better!!! I will be running them OCT30th and will see if the numbers aren't inflated or wrong, and how well they actually perform..

FreAK

Was those 1300 or 1600 spec packs. The new 1600 the # or way up 1850 MAH, 320 Run time and 200 for int.

It was the new 1600's(or old if you wanna look at it that way, 1year). I have an INTEGY charger, so it doesnt give me run time, just MAH, AV, and IR. Maybe it calculates it differently then yours, but im impressed that MY numbers went up from when they were new. When you compare apples to chicken, things will look (and taste) different......

FreAk

ummm what's a Torpedo? hope that's not a dumb question
Spoiler, a Torpedo is basically a zapper for stick packs,Integy sells them,they are real effective for these spec packs.Just be careful they don't seem to last to long I'm on my third one in two years,but they DO work.