Yes received them yesterday. This is the first chance I have gotten to get on the board, been pretty busy at work. Thank you so much an awesome looking set. I am looking forward to your future releases. :)

While we're on it. This guy (http://www.modelroundup.com/mrcategory1036.htm) still has some J2 kits. I picked up a couple from him for my stash...

I was lucky enough to get a couple extra from Polar lights Warehouse sale last year cheap.

hi
guys are there any lis crew kits left?

Unless someone has a set they're willing to part with, no there aren't anymore.

The initial run was 50 sets in the spring of '03 with another run scheduled for that fall. Unfortunately, due to recasting, the second run was cancelled.

hey frets how ya doin'?
Bert

i hope i get my set i ordered from the first run!!!!!!!!!!

i sent the money well over two month's ago . no crew no refund no answer lately to email.
i do realize a family problem is at hand as i "ve been told. i hate to have to leave bad feed back. has anyone else had any problems with flyingfrets ? 8-17-05
and still no word.:confused:

8-18-05 still nothing to report

8-28-05 nothing to report

10-03-05. got zip! no refund or kit.

Hi my name is Chris, a devout LIS fan. I would definally be interested in these LIS family figures. Please let me know when they might be available for purchase!

Sincerely,

Christopher Krieg

hi chris
welcome aboard! this is a great place.
i am still waiting for my crew kit ordered 4 months ago from don . unfortunately i wouldnt hold my breath on getting one.

I'm only leaving this thread open so that Don can have a chance to make good on this with Lisfan and the others and the resolution can be included in the same thread as the accusations.
Don, hop to it. No more excuses - send the kits or send the money. No more drama.
AT

hi AT
i did get a hold of don hagerty by phone. he was going to check on them at post office. i hope im wrong but after 4 months it is aggravating. he does sound like a nice guy.very nice to talk too.ive had some bad experiences with e-bay, so ive developed a short fuse. i will issue a full apology, if they come. 4 months is a long time to wait though. i just had to vent.im still not sure what to think. 4 months is not reasonable.

i talked to don again today .he said tracer is put on packages at post office, it's been two weeks since mailing. i find it hard to believe all three are missing . i hope the robinson crew is not hopelessy lost in space or the mail system. they are insured and we should get a refund. ill believe it when i see it. he should email us or call. Paraclete1 and phrankenstign are the two other guys owed kits.

I agree that it's strange that all 3 packages should be lost. I hope that they do show up. My J-2 would look better with figures instead of a refund check.

Don (paraclete1) Pugh

Guys,
I'd suggest filing mail fraud claims with the post office - if you paid via mail, or if he's saying he sent them via USPS, he should be liable.
And just remember - if he lied to you about sending your kits, he may just as well have lied to you about the reasons he didn't send them...

Let me tell you guys My USPS horror story. Three years ago is sent my Daughter who lives in Central California a package with some stuff for her to use for school and other things and I mailed them in first part of September in one of those mailing packages with no tracking number well a week later I find out the it had no arrived yet. two weeks go by and it still has not arrived and the Ex is getting a bit P.O.ed and thinking that I am Lying that I had mailed the package.

Well a month goes by and nothing. then annother and still nothing zip, zilch, NADA and finally It is December I get a call from my Ex on Christmas EVE telling me that My daughters christmas presents have arived and the thing was I had mailed that just two to three days earlyer. come to find out the date on the package that just arrived was September of that year. It took 3 months for that thing to get there and by the way the package I had just mailed got there the day after Christmas. so it May be possible that the package that Frets mailed to you but are still in the system but stuck somewhere. Just my .02 cents and this was a true story that happened to me.

AZbuilder
John Davis

thanks john for sharing the story. i will consider that option also anthony

when I worked for a computer hardware reseller, we used several shippers. They should have used FEDEX. Even the cheap rate comes with a tracking number. the post office (USPS) is the WORST! they will not guarentee ANYTHING will get there. Not for ANY MONEY. I have seen regestered letters SIT at the PO because some nit-wit didn't know where to put stuff for the local PO boxes within his location (Colonial Heights, VA)

I'm not ready to yell mail fraud yet. I've been known to procrastinate (sp?) myself, but never more than a week when money has changed hands.

I want to believe in Frets because he decided to sell his pre-production set after finding out how much I wanted one. After selling and I assume shipping out 49 other sets, I find it hard to believe he would suddenly turn criminal. He appeares to have neglected to send out one to someone who ordered from the original sale. Missing one order out of 50 doesn't seem too bad. But on the second round, 3 for 3 doesn't look so good. Still, it's possible he's having more trouble than I am. And believe me, I'm having some real troubles right now.

Still, I believe in Santa Clause, the Great Pumpkin, and the Apollo Moon Landing, so I'll believe in Don for a while longer.

Talk to us Don, let us know what's going one. Silence only makes things look bad.

Don Pugh

i talked to don again 10-13-05. the kits are located and they will be reshipped on saturday.i hope they finally arrive. i dont mean to get mad but...

don does seem like a great guy.i talked to him for a while. he does sem sincere. i hope this all works out. i hate to jump the gun but after 4 months.........

i will issue an apology if they come finally. i hope every one here doesnt think im a jerk for venting etc...

LISFAN, If you hadn't vented, Don may have not known there was a problem. I've always been one who doesn't make too many waves and it usually gets me screwed over more often than not. Still, I like to believe that everyone can be trusted.

So I appreciate what you've done. Otherwise, I may have just chalked it up to a bad deal and wrongly thought bad thoughts about the situation.

Don (paraclete1) Pugh

I hope after all the crap that LISFAN will paint his figures and show us photos when he's done! That way we KNOW he got 'em, and did right by them and can show us some of Frets sculpting work. BTW- Good luck with the red details on the silver suits! And get Junes hair the right color!! LOL

i certainly will. i hope they come. i hope all will recieve their kits after my rant

hey mark hows the 4 footer coming along ?
Bert

Bert,

All I've done so far is cut out the hole for the top bubble and the front window. This weekend I'm gonna trace the landing gear lines as a starting point to designing the gear parts. Oh, I did spray the fusion core with primer...

this is going to be something to see ! so you are going to make your own landing gear and legs ?

`cant wait to see som more pics and updates

Yep! Gonna have to. I got a four foot hull (upper and lower hulls as ONE PIECE) and a fusion core. I found a 4.5" clear bubble and got two. The hull had JUST the lines for the major details. depression for the bubble, 3 scanner holes, outlines for the gear, door and the front window depression. EVERYTHING ELSE will have to be fabricated. gear, feet, cockpit and mechanics. Oh, and the wire supports.

Yep! Gonna have to. I got a four foot hull (upper and lower hulls as ONE PIECE) and a fusion core. I found a 4.5" clear bubble and got two. The hull had JUST the lines for the major details. depression for the bubble, 3 scanner holes, outlines for the gear, door and the front window depression. EVERYTHING ELSE will have to be fabricated. gear, feet, cockpit and mechanics. Oh, and the wire supports.
mark, were all the outlined detail in the correct posistions ?

Since it's cast from a set of molds of the original 4 footer...YEP.

I measured the gear outline today:
width at back - 4.5 inches
length from back to end of leg - 11 inches
width at bottom of leg - 2 5/16 inches.
length of footpad door - 3 inches. width 2 5/16 inches.
bottom leg shield will be 6/16 inch wider than leg itself.

I guess You guys want me to trace all the lines with a sharpie and photograph top n bottom of the hull now?

Since it's cast from a set of molds of the original 4 footer...YEP.

I measured the gear outline today:
width at back - 4.5 inches
length from back to end of leg - 11 inches
width at bottom of leg - 2 5/16 inches.
length of footpad door - 3 inches. width 2 5/16 inches.
bottom leg shield will be 6/16 inch wider than leg itself.

I guess You guys want me to trace all the lines with a sharpie and photograph top n bottom of the hull now?
thats very kind of you mark thanks for offering (big grin), how did you get your hands on one of those by the way ? i must have missed that part.

One was offerd over at that on-lyin auction site, and I didn't win it, but I e-mailed the seller to see if he had any more. he did, so I offered him the same he sold the 1st one for. Box arrived later. 10 minutes to unpack it, 45 minutes to pick up the styrafoam peanuts off the lawn! Fusion core had arrived earlier via FedEx. I had seen one (4 foot hull) earlier, and checked out some markings, and teeny details, and it looks like a more sturdy(and heavier) varient of the one I saw/inspected/photographed in Nov 03.

I'm now looking for a machine shop/metal fabricator to cut some landing gear legs.

I'll take photos of top n bottom later this week. I will also try and have a drawing of a gear leg 'side' (of which you'lll need 6) too.

One was offerd over at that on-lyin auction site, and I didn't win it, but I e-mailed the seller to see if he had any more. he did, so I offered him the same he sold the 1st one for. Box arrived later. 10 minutes to unpack it, 45 minutes to pick up the styrafoam peanuts off the lawn! Fusion core had arrived earlier via FedEx. I had seen one (4 foot hull) earlier, and checked out some markings, and teeny details, and it looks like a more sturdy(and heavier) varient of the one I saw/inspected/photographed in Nov 03.

I'm now looking for a machine shop/metal fabricator to cut some landing gear legs.

I'll take photos of top n bottom later this week. I will also try and have a drawing of a gear leg 'side' (of which you'lll need 6) too.

You may have the chance to sell extra legs if you make a pattern and cut a bunch extra.

Jim Key at http://www.customreplicas.com/Credentials.htm states he allready made the type of pattern you are about to create. Maybe you could save some time and money and contact him.

Thanks! I need to make ones that will work with whatever mechanics I use, and I don't want to use commercially available items. I'm hard core!

I JUST UPLOADED CRAPPY PHOTO'S OF FRETS FIGURES INTO THE PHOTO ALBUM.

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/509/IMG_0406.JPG

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/509/IMG_0414.jpg

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/509/IMG_0411.jpg

Thanks! I need to make ones that will work with whatever mechanics I use, and I don't want to use commercially available items. I'm hard core!

I JUST UPLOADED CRAPPY PHOTO'S OF FRETS FIGURES INTO THE PHOTO ALBUM.

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/509/IMG_0406.JPG


ayeeeeee! zombee robot!!!!!!!

WOW Mark, what a Jupiter 2 you have there !!!!

Is the "pod door" on the wrong side??

im still waiting hope they come as promised this week

Were you planning to scribe in the chariot hatch or open it up?

Whoa ...

Why are there POD DOORS on a 4 foot hero recast ???

Of course the pod came in season 3 .... long after the original Hero J2 was constructed.

That doesn't sound right to me .... :confused:

Great pix though Mark! Really cool looking - thanks for sharing them.

That overhead shot is really something to see! :thumbsup:

This could be a copy of the Planet Hollywood version? Maybe it's the 3rd year version without Chariot doors?? I was gonna cover the scribe marks anyway, and just do a slightly flatter version of silver to do those lines anyway. IS the Pod door on the WRONG SIDE??

You may have the chance to sell extra legs if you make a pattern and cut a bunch extra.

Jim Key at http://www.customreplicas.com/Credentials.htm states he allready made the type of pattern you are about to create. Maybe you could save some time and money and contact him.


Okay - I must be blind ...

Where on the link does it mention that he patterned the landing gear ?? :freak:

... IS the Pod door on the WRONG SIDE??


That's a trick question Mark !!! :p

What's a right (or wrong ) side for a detail that was never really on the original miniature?

If you go by the "pod dropper" , I think you call it the "pyro version" or the "flying version" (???) I'll refer to it as "Jein's" version of the second 4 foot J2 miniture that was used for pod dropping ... the doors are on the correct side.

View Here (http://jupiter2.freeyellow.com/J2Orig/pdoors2l.jpg)

When you see the exterior pod doors on models like Lunars or Polar Lights - even SciFi Metropolis's - they put the exterior doors on the "other" side mainly because it then aligns to where the J2 flight deck filming set had the interior access doors to the space pod but also in Lunars case - some of their models also have the chariot ramp which in your picture would be on the LEFT side (Underneath the upper deck main hatch) - where your pod doors are now . Obviously the model companies couldn't put both detail in the same location so they moved the exterior pod doors to the right side on their kits.

If you go by the original 4 foot J2 Fox blueprints - they had no pod doors - but they did have a smaller door labeled "Atomic Engine Elevator" in the empty space opposite the chariot ramp - so you could consider the pod doors as an elongation of that particular detail I guess.

Of course what was on paper doesn't mean it went on the production model ultimately.

I have always been curious to see what Azarian's J2 belly looks like in detail as it is the restored original hero version. I suspect it looks identical to yours Mark.

I've always wondered if the 4 foot Hero ever had chariot doors scribed into it or not... allegedly the 10 footer did , which used the same Fox design prints as the 4 footer , but it's believed the 10 footer had different uses planned - perhaps with one of the chariot miniatures ... the 4 footer really wouldn't/couldn't have utilized that detail and perhaps it was never put on that sized miniature ...?

I'd REALLY love to study Azarian's J2 up close one day.

P.S. Of course the pod dropper miniature never had landing legs on it - so if you look at it that way - the pod doors and landing leg wells should never be on the same hull .... if you're aiming for 100% authentic to the studio prop that is. ;)

This could be a copy of the Planet Hollywood version? Maybe it's the 3rd year version without Chariot doors?? I was gonna cover the scribe marks anyway, and just do a slightly flatter version of silver to do those lines anyway. ...

It is my understanding that the "Planet Hollywood" version is a cast off of the restored Hero J2... in fact I believe that all the 4 foot J2's you see out there can all be traced back to the molds taken of the restored 4 foot J2 Hero. I never heard of any molds made off of Jein's J2 ... though I wouldn't be surprised if there were.

So , YES I think yours goes back to the Hero rather than Jeins...

I think that the pod door detail was added by Greenwood during the restoration process but I really do not know.

It's a very gray area ... going back to the J2 autopsy by Jay Gowey - back when Greenwood was in the midsts of doing the restoration - Jay "rents" it to create a mold of the hull . He notes that there is pod bay door detail on the exterior hull of the Hero (it should measure 6" square (http://jupiter2.freeyellow.com/J2Files/J2Autopsy/j2ai0023.jpg) on your hull by the way) and looking at interior pictures there appears to be a patched area that very likely been pod bay doors. (http://jupiter2.freeyellow.com/J2Files/J2Autopsy/j2ai0016.jpg) This would lead one to believe that the Hero was also used to "drop the pod" - but the main arguement to that is the mere existence of the seond 4 foot J2 (Jein's) with the working pod doors.

It is theorized that they attempted to add add a pod dropping function to the hero model but because of the landing gear mechanics - they couldn't get it to work - so they used the second 4 footer that did not have landing legs and installed the pod dropping function into it.

Looking at the autopsy pix it appears that the pod door patch on the hero is on the same side (http://jupiter2.freeyellow.com/J2Files/J2Autopsy/j2ai0019.jpg) (you can see a corner of the patch in the lower right corner of the picture and to the left of the picture see the miniatures flight deck detail) as Jein's - this leads me MORE to question the existence of chariot bay door detail on the original Hero , even if designed on paper .... leads me to believe it never made it onto the 4 foot Hero.

Again - close inspection of Azarian's J2 has always been on my wish list.

This is all speculation and theory of course - nothing is written in stone.

I've gone on with this so long , looking for and adding links to this post - I forgotten what the jyst of it all was. lol I might have gotten off track by now - hope this helps - if I missed something , say it again and I'll focus more on the subject. :freak:



Mark : I do wish to add your 2 FT LM interior mechanics - especially the dome light and core lighting mechanism/video to my site .

Please do contact me sometime so we can discuss this - I find your mechanisms most interesting and I think you are pretty much dead on to what the original contained.

jup2_com@hotmail.com

I just measured my "Pod Doors" and they are 6.25 inches square. I want to know who's Jupiter 2 is that at the Sci-fi museum that is displayed on the launch tower? Jeins? I plan to display my 4 foot job on a similar tower, just as soon as I make some scale drawings...