Since day one with the first Maverick, that was my take on the idea as far as the center shock placement, the further up on the chassis the more weight trasfer to the front of the car off throttle, but it can also have and adverse effect and take more weight off the front end on-throttle. I have been running in the second set of holes in mod and so is Kevin.

Kevins super fast mod setup is now on my car, so here is the jist of it:
Red Wolfe front springs
#3 bolink kingpin lube
Upper arm in bottom inside for RF, and middle inside for LF on IRS blocks
0.060 spacer on RF wolfe axle, and 0.020 on LF
HPI center shock, #2 piston, 50wt oil, Silva silver center spring.
Silva Side shocks, wolfe silver spring LR, 50wt, and wolfe gold spring RR, 50wt.
STD battery tray with speedo mounted on back of tray, and reciver at front, with the tray all the way back.
0.70 bias cut t-plate
Rear axle in middle holes on pod, offset pod.
Front plate in #2 holes forward on tray. 10.050 wheelbase.

The only difference between his and mine is I use a silva soft t-plate, and 50,000wt mugen diff fluid for the front kingpins.

If I made any mistakes or forgot anything, im sure Koz will be on here to fix it.

Cant wait for the birds, 4-cell mod for my baby. :eek: :jest:

David
Maverick Oval Chassis
Silva Concepts
KC Racing
TM Tires

Gezer: I think by the end on the weekend, everyone was winging brushes across the pits. But, I know Mr. Kisbey was the one who started it all!

Katfish: KOZ's Mod set-up is now on the site .... I had his old set-up, but wanted to make sure you had the latest, most current, most up to date set-up he's running. Sorry it took so long! LOL

About the center shock: It's tough to guess on, without seeing Katfish's car before and after the change. I'm thinking it has more to do with the amount of pre-load, pod angle, and pod droop. Moving the center shock mount forward, is usually a fine tuning adjustment that doesn't feel like a huge change. I've run it both ways last year with good success. The only reason why my current car has a short shaft set-up was pure laziness (to be honest!). I had a short shaft in front of me when building the shock! LOL

Hey Jake...what's the deal? Too "lazy", is that what happens when a guy gets married? LOL!!!!!

Just a few notes on Dave's post

T-plate .o63 straight with center screw

.070 Front sway bar,w\o sway bar purple\green front spring

other than that the car all weekend was super consistent,i tried a few different things on Sunday qualifying that just made the car too violent off..I set the car back up from saturday's run for the main and was just awesome.

Another note:basically with only one weekend prior on the new ride testing and the few runs we made this past weekend the Chassis was way beyond my expectations and will only get faster with some more laps and team feedback.

We were only about .05 hundrenth's or so per lap off from one of KSG\Kisbey's best West Coast pilot...so in the short time we had with the car... extremely happy with our results..

......and as far as Jake's 19t car goes..... well you'd have to have been there to see it for yourself.....all i heard the whole weekend was a bunch of mumbling from the other 19t guy's.. Shall we just say"Different Time Zone".. and i'll leave it at that..

KOZ

kevin did you rig up a ksg sway bar on your front end? i'm guessing?

Katfish: Yep, that's what KOZ did, except he mounted it to the chassis, not the front bumper.

a picture tells a thousand stories they say... :drunk:

Okay, I think I need some help lol. I am new to banked tracks and have no clue how to setup a car on a banked track other than black front springs lol, everything else is just a guess pretty much and I see if it works.

I did land on a fast setup for Maine RC though that is below. I am having trouble with the one from KN. I don't know what to do?? The problems are listed under the notes section on the bottom.

I was thinking about trying 3 greys and a blue. And moving the battery in ion the tray. I don't know what that is going to do on a banked track though? I was given a rear track width in Maine, and I am sure that helped out alot.

Anyway, here are the setups: :wave:

Katfish: I hear ya loud and clear Brother. I'll see what I can do.

Mike: Look up Todd Giesing as soon as you get to K&N. His Maverick is set up really well for this track and he has already said he's willing to give you his set up.

I'll take a look at the set ups you've linked, and see if I can give you some feedback ... But, having not run at K&N and knowing it is a very unique track, your best bet is always the guys who's been running there week in and week out and doing well. Please listen to what Todd has to say, and give it a try.

Jake

TinMan: Almost missed this one ... What can I tell ya! LOL Ok, I should have said "I was pressed for time", not lazy! The shock parts were right in front of me upstairs at the shop, it was late, and the long shafts were downstairs ... I took the easy way out. (Since I know either way works well for me).

I'll build up the OPC with the long or medium shaft set-up .... Gotta start on that one this weekend, or early next week.

Lookin' forward to seing you and the rest of the Maverick Crew at the 'Birds!

Okay, I think I need some help lol. I am new to banked tracks and have no clue how to setup a car on a banked track other than black front springs lol, everything else is just a guess pretty much and I see if it works.

I did land on a fast setup for Maine RC though that is below. I am having trouble with the one from KN. I don't know what to do?? The problems are listed under the notes section on the bottom.

I was thinking about trying 3 greys and a blue. And moving the battery in ion the tray. I don't know what that is going to do on a banked track though? I was given a rear track width in Maine, and I am sure that helped out alot.

Anyway, here are the setups: :wave:

Why are you running 10 year old deta shocks?
And why are you running tweak screws and not triple shock?

It's been proven that the "new" technology, triple shocks and VCS shocks, are 10 times better then what they replaced. Why not try a more conventional setup?

Other then that talk to the fast guys there, Todd will get you hooked up.

David
Maverick Oval Chassis
Silva Concepts
KC Racing
TM Tires

For whatever reason, the side shocks very incosistent on that track.

I tried the delta and the car felt much better, but still needs alot of work.

I will talk to Todd tommorrow morning and try his setup. Does he run stock or 19t or mod?

When I ran the car in stock with 2 blues and 2 greens, it felt alright, it just had no speed. I have "real" motors for practice ready for tommorrow though so the car will actually move now. :lol:

Mike,

Ok, man this set-up is strange! So, I'm not sure where to even start ...

First, I'd figure out the servo deal. Make sure your equipment is functioning properly.

To cure a push with this set-up, I'd try a softer right front spring. Curing the push in, will help with the loose off condition.

Also, make sure you have the right tires for the track! Tires are up to 80% of your tuning on any type of track. This is very important.

You might try shortening the wheelbase some too. Bring it down to a little over 10 inches.

Set up the rear track like this: Put one thin shim on the right side, between the axle and bearing. Measure the distance from the center of the chassis, to the outside edge of the right rear tire. Use spacers to make the left rear the same distance from center. Then, take out 2 or 3 thin spacers from the left side. Bolt everything down and run. Make sure the body does not hit the tires, ever!

When the car is close, you can use the left rear tire spacing to change how the car comes off the turn. Moving it out (a spacer at a time) will hook up the car, moving it in will loosen the car. I use this tuning a lot.

Hope this helps! Have fun this weekend!

Jake

It is a strange setup, and I only had 4 hours to work with it that day, if I had more time it would probably be much better. The problem I am having is that everybody runs different tires up there.

I will try what Tod tells me, and I am sure it will work, and be much better than what I have now. The wheelbase was 10 1/4".

I am also going to try the extended pod plates an move the front end back a little to keep the wheelbase the same. The only problem I see is that it will move the weight to the front end.

I am going to try a different body also, switch from a monte carlo to a Taurus. because I will be running stock.

Thanks for the help

Michael Voccola

Mike, I used to race at K/N quite a bit. There are several things to try, but I would run an Akron setup and feel VERY comfortable about it. Basically it looks like this:

Front
purple springs
no offset
approx 2 and 4 on caster
Blue RF, Gray LF

Rear
.063 bias cut tplate w/screws
or
medium steel w/gold side springs
HPI or Assoc center w/STIFF spring
(Silva Black is absolutely as soft as I would run, preferably stiffer)
2 side shocks w/20 wt
center - 50 w/#2
2 white, 2 grays, or wht lr, gray rr

rear track at 7.900" to start, shim according to car reaction
battery - 2nd cell from front inline w/front pivot ball
(this assumes receiver in front of pack, speedo behind, and transp. next to receiver)

What brand of body are we talking?

Protoform body. I am going to try an intrepid and a taurus. :wave:

News from Hobby World, Jax. Fl----------
Maverick's own Philip Owen has regained the track record this evening. He ran a 35 4:04, consistant lap times of 6.9 to 7.0. The car was hooked up and mov'in on. Could a run of 36 be in the works?

38 when i show up! lol NICE RUN PHIL! i guess jake will keep ya around a lil longer? lol :drunk:

Well, I will be going up there tommorrow at 4am, and hopefully six hours will be enough time. I will probably just end up running one class rather than two. Whichever I feel more comfortable with will be my choice unless I feel confortable with both.

Thanks for the help! I will let you know how it goes.

Jim: Thanks for posting that set up for Mike. Hopefully he'll put it to good use!

Phil: Way to go Man! Nice work!

Katfish: Phil talks quietly, but carries the big smack stick and backs it up on the track!

Hank: Thanks for the update. How did your race weekend go?

What springs are ya'll runnin on your side shocks for rug action? Jax rug and birds? TIA.

Found kat's setup on the site, will go with those to start with. Running 4-cell stock.

You could try a blue RR spring, and a Gold LR spring. What shocks and what weight oil are you using?

David
Maverick Oval Chassis
Silva Concepts
KC Racing
TM Tires

Thanks for the help.

I ended up running stock, so I changed a few things from that setup. It is attached. I will try this setup first, only because it is already on the car, then try that one and decide that way. I am going to be running 19t everywhere from now on. I don't want to run stock anymore, I never realized how slow it was until I had a car up there that worked. :lol: It did run very well, and I am looking forward to running it in Maine again an at Manchester.

Here is the setup, much different from what I started with.

Mike: K&N doesn't have the results up yet ... How did you, Todd, and any other MAverick Racers end up??

Jake: The results should be up soon.

The chassis and battery tray came in today! :)

I am going to try out the car with the tray this weekend.

I can't wait for Maine to run the solid chassis, 19t this time lol. :wave:

Sounds like Todd just missed both A's in qualifying, and ended up third in both B's. Nice job being in the hunt, with only two prior runs on a new chassis!

Hey, the Snowbirds is coming up! Less than two weeks! What day are you Maverick guys rolling into town? Dave and I will be there Monday night ...

Jake

I'll be there Monday late-afternoon!

Jake, I'll be there on Friday afternoon. Thats the soonest I can get there due to work commitments.

i'm there now!

I had a rough weekend, but it was not the cars fault. :D I put my '03 on the track thursday for stock and the thing handled great. Could put it anywhere I wanted and steered awesome. I just couldn't get a clean run. My best run was sunday morning in the 3rd qualifier. I was on a 49 lap pace(which would possibly qualified me for the b main depending on the time) when I tried to hard to pass in 1 and 2 and spun out. Got stuck in the corner and recorder like a 12 second lap. Went down 3 laps. Made up almost 2 of them and still finished with a 46.

This was the first major race with the '03 since I picked it up. I was very impressed at the ease I had getting it to handle. I also used an L4 for 19t and it never really handled the way I wanted it.

I am contemplating switching my L4 over to the '04 for 19t now that I have run it and LOVE it.

Shawn

ok fellow maverick racers:
I need help, i am switching a L4 into a mav 03 slider chassis.I have a wolfe ultimate front end,IRS caster blocks,hpi center shock,associated side shocks,both offset and standard hubs,and a silva rear-steer t-plate.I need a basic starting point for all of the parts(oils,springs,etc) listed above.
front springs?
Irs caster blocks setting?
rear steer or not?
offset hubs or not?
hpi shock-oil and piston/spring(associated springs)
side shocks-oil/springs(associated springs)
wheelbase length

I am running on 120ft runline flat carpet track.I need help guys been out of oval since early 90's.I am running in a spec class for now.(motor,tires,battery)

thanks
Brian

Katfish: Have you been staying at the hotel getting ready? Don't tell me you're running on the track already?? LOL

Shawn: Sounds like your first major race was exciting! Racing is full of ups and downs. Glad you got the car handling the way you wanted it to. L4 to '04, sounds like a plan!

Brian: Check out the website: www.jphracing.com and look at Katfish's set-up and my set-up ... Either one will work fine for you. Mine's a little more conservative than Kat's, but the info is good either way. If you have any other questions after checking out the site, please post them or e-mail me: JPHRacing001@aol.com

Jake

Jake,
While Im down there I hope to get some pic's of ALL the maverick pilots together with thier rides, and get some of the racing action in mpeg format. That way if you want you can post it on your site.

I want to go to a very small local flat track. I do not know the driveline. I do know that I do NOT want to run stock ever again. So, I am sure the track is way too small for mod, and 19t is what I would like to run. They are pulling 3.9sec lap times in 4-cell stock, does this sound too small for 19t?

:wave:

Kitestir: I had the same exact problem in stock. I was the one who's car got stuck in the plywood of turns 1&2 during the first qualifier after getting spun out while passing. :lol:

Sounds like we had the same exact weekend. My car handled great too, just couldn't get a clean run.

I only made the D-main, and as hard as I tried I couldn't get a completely clean run in that time either. My car was much faster than the others and it was unpredictable what the outcome would be because of that.

I am going to try out 19t next time I go up there though. Can't wait to try out the OPC in Maine!

I want to go to a very small local flat track. I do not know the driveline. I do know that I do NOT want to run stock ever again. So, I am sure the track is way too small for mod, and 19t is what I would like to run. They are pulling 3.9sec lap times in 4-cell stock, does this sound too small for 19t?

:wave:

Nothing is to small for mod! We run on a asphalt track were we turn 3.0 laps in mod, this next season should see some sub 3's.

Should be fine for 19t.

i agree jph, i ran a track with a 19t chamileon 4 cell. we were turning 2.4-2.7 laps. it was very exciting. if u messed up get out of the way..... i ran the same track earlier this year with 6celll stock, and i was just a tick off. 83 laps wasn't too bad.

Jake - What colors do you offer for anodizing?

Hank: Sounds good to me!

Mike: Like the guys said, nothing's too small .... you just get dizzy! And, the funny thing is, the laptimes get so fast, you can be in the same wreck 2 or 3 times! So watch out!

JPH: You better hope you hit sub 3's next time at Billy's track! Or KOZ will be using the chrome horn on you!

Blue: 83 laps in 4 minutes? Awesome!

Jim: ASC Blue and Maverick Black ...

the local track in j ville we run 3.1's and 3.2's with C2 sinkers...

stock is 3.5's and 3.6's

dont blink or you lose...just ask phil! ahahahhaahh

how many days til the birds?

very small tracks and open mod can be just overkill..

Does the 04' pod have a wheelbase option that is longer than the stock l40 pod?

getting the car ready for flat track now! :wave:

Mike
You have three different lenghts on the rear pod to choose to suit your needs. Ckeck out the website and you'll see..

It doesn't say if the longest wheelbase option is longer or not :(

Mike
1st postion= stock AE
2nd longer position=Hyper\Ksg
3rd longest position= IRS ext.pod plates

The three different wheelbases listed above are close to those.

We've been running them in the second position and the longer position.

124's and 128's are no problem.

Hope this helps

How "long" of a receiver cell can the Maverick chassis take? Or in other words, how long is the slot for the receiver cells?

Hankster
you can lay all 5 cells flat

2.250 between tape slots on the front of the tray

Not to get off subject, but my local tack was different, and not for the better.

They run a youth league on it with touring cars. And what I think is happenning is that they are taking a completely different line, and when they come up short the slam reverse and then forward, and the carpet it going all directions.

The track was terrrible, and now there are 30 kids in the youth league plus there are at least five that show up everyday. And this is going on everyday now. They also do doughnuts in turn 3 to get the paragon off the tires, and this is making it even worse.

I went wednesday to set the maverick up, and i went out on the track to see if it was grippy enough to run some tires I have been wanting to try. Well, the carpet looked kinf of funny so i put my other car down that i know is fast with the tires i normally run, and it was bananas. It would push going in one car and loose going in the other. I know that car is fast, and it never does this. It was a mess and I think it is from the touring cars. They started a new league this week and there are a ton of cars, I think that is why it is so bad this week. The cars have no steering going in anymore either :(

So, we are thinking about vacuuming it to get the carpet straightened out and get their line out of there so the track is the same throughout the corner. I know the track is going to be loose, that shouldn't be a problem. The thing that worries me is if we are going to have to do this everyweek to keep the carpet going the right way. The track was just starting to get good too :(

Thanks! :wave:

Thanks KOZ, I will have to try that pod out next.

1 month till Maine!

I know it isn't just my car either, a friend tried 3 cars that he had setup, and they were all terrible like mine for some reason.

Mike
yeah we have to "share" the only carpet track here on the west coast with the touring guy's ,plus sometimes the track has to be moved into a different building on occasions,in short carpet and it's property's change with different cars run opposite direction,being moved and re set-up,vacumed,guy's running different sauce..etc..

It's tough sometimes because you just expect to have tons of bite on carpet and get used to it and all of a sudden the track gets really weird..

Thankful for us here all have to use one specified traction compound and when the track does get moved it comes in extremlly fast so the consistency is pretty close week to week..PLus they have a "no wet tire rule" and it's strictly enforced..

Why don't they start a no reversing ESC rule?