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Raptor_MS
02-02-2006, 12:08 AM
Where can I get some of those LOSI6088 kingpins? Does JPH have them?

Kenny@RAPTOR

JPH Racing
02-02-2006, 12:15 AM
Chuck Kleinhagen (JR or SR) and Matt Gansen, sent you guys an e-mail about the 'Birds. If you have not received it, please let me know.

Also found out today that Erich Reichert will be running his Maverick in 4 Cell Stock (Erich wrote the R/C Driver article, and will be running the very same car featured in it)

If there's any other Maverick Racers running at the 'Birds, please send me an e-mail asap. Thank you!

Jake

Wow Kenny, you're reading back a long ways! I can order them and ship them right out to you. But, to be honest, I got two packs to try and one fight perfectly, the others did not ... Not sure about the tolerances, but that wasn't good odds! jphracing001@aol.com

Raptor_MS
02-02-2006, 12:17 AM
The last set I had, I had to sand them down and polish to fit. As long as they are bigger and not smaller, I'm cool with it... :)

Kenny@RAPTOR

JPH Racing
02-02-2006, 12:19 PM
Found out this morning that the famous Mel McCoy will be running a Mini Mav in 1/12 scale at the 'Birds!

tightline31408
02-02-2006, 02:43 PM
hey jake the mini mav will be HOTTTTTTTTTT stuff! at the birds. :thumbsup:

cneyedog
02-03-2006, 08:05 AM
Jake and DW, just think this time next week ........ you'll be surrounded by ME, Ronnie, Katfish and TInman ......... not to mention the other cast of characters that show up at the birds ........ cya soon.

"world famous" Mel Mccoy will be layin it down at the birds I predict ........ he is due.


Rich

Scott M
02-03-2006, 09:35 AM
Wow ,what great response already! JPH racer, I race on a 155 ft centerline ozite flat track. I usually run 19t ultrabird motor class. Can anyone suggest which way I should run the car (slider or solid) as it is coming with both chassis? Also spring, shocks oil and (hpi)spring,t-plate, rear steer, caster, camber ,tires (I run trc's), front end location etc....
NOT TOO MANY Questions right? Thanks, Dale.

Dale,
Did you find good info on the website?
www.swiftracingproducts.com (http://www.swiftracingproducts.com)

Under the "Technical" heading go to "Maverick Set-Ups" "'05's" there are some great set-up's. "AC's 19T carpet" or "Brad's Flat Carpet" look like pretty good starting spots for the rug. I am not sure the runline's of these tracks though.

I personally run the slider on asphalt both flat and banked, but I have printed each of the set-ups on the site and pack them to every race for reference.

Scott

Scott M
02-03-2006, 09:37 AM
Oh - Jake - I forgot to mention...

The package you sent showed up in time!

Thanks!

CBear3
02-03-2006, 11:09 AM
Chuck Kleinhagen (JR or SR) and Matt Gansen, sent you guys an e-mail about the 'Birds. If you have not received it, please let me know.

Well, JR didn't get it :)
CBear3@aol.com

JPH Racing
02-03-2006, 01:15 PM
Darryl: I hope all the Mavericks are hot this year!

Rich: Dude, we're lookin' forward to next week! Can't wait to see all our East Coast friends again! Is Ronnie eating eggs already? Does your house have a roof? I'm bummed to be missing Charlie's this year, but I'm sure you guys will have a great time anyway!

Scott: Excellent! Good luck and have a great time at the race! Please let us know how it goes.

CK Jr. Sent the e-mail to you.

tony 13
02-03-2006, 01:44 PM
Scott, I think the track is in the 165/75 foot driveline range but DW or Jake would be the ones to verify that. Out here on the west coast we have tried that setup in a few cars and it has seemed to work on most carpet days. I also tried that setup last weekend with Whites, grays ect. It was drivable but the track was down on grip and offered less forward bite but it was drivable and it still set TQ.. let us know if you have any other questions. See ya in a couple days :)
AC

67-4-fun
02-03-2006, 01:55 PM
Hey Jake, how are all the team maverick drivers going to the bird's and what classes are they running?

JP

67-4-fun
02-03-2006, 01:56 PM
Hey Jake, who are all the team maverick drivers going to the bird's and what classes are they running?

JP

67-4-fun
02-03-2006, 02:00 PM
disregard my first post I spelled a word wrong..

JPHRacer
02-03-2006, 03:56 PM
Scott: The track for AC's setup is about 160' runline. Its identicle to the birds runline.

67-4-Fun: Here is the list, there might be a few more.

Stock:
Jimmy Flack
Dick Jarvis
James Seckinger
Erich Reichert

Sportsman 19:
Bill "Katfish" Sell
David "Mr." Butts
Jimmy Flack
Anthony "AC" Crivelli
Chuck Kleinhagen
Steve "Tinman" Platt
Jake Rosen

Expert 19:
Greg Kraios
Matt Gansen

1/12 Scale 19:
Bill "Katfish" Sell
Dick Jarvis
Brian Roebuck
Steve "Tinman" Platt
Jake Rosen

4 Cell Mod:
David "DW" Wert
Greg Kraios

6 Cell Mod:
David "DW" Wert

DW

JPH Racing
02-03-2006, 04:39 PM
Quick note: Anyone looking for the Much More motor coolers, they showed up today and I'm shipping them out. If you're interested in one, and have not gotten an e-mail from me, please let me know.

Jake

JPH Racing
02-03-2006, 04:48 PM
Found something you Maverick Guys might be interested in: Machined delrin pivot ball holders and aluminum pivot ball from Calandra. singles $12.99, pairs $23.99.

I put a set on my car today, pretty sweet!

They will be in the system later today.

katf1sh
02-03-2006, 06:26 PM
jake ygm i need 2 sets of those bad boyz for da birds!

j21moss
02-03-2006, 10:13 PM
sweet!!!!!!!!! I'm all over it!!!!!!!!

Dale
02-03-2006, 11:32 PM
Thanks Scott , yes the swift website is a very good source of information, I received my car yesterday, totally dissassembled it , cleaned all the parts ,rebuilt the shocks and I am ready to start reassembly as described in AC's setup. I will let you all know how it goes ,I hope to be running tommorow at marshalls in PA.

JPH Racing
02-04-2006, 12:59 AM
Got the new parts added to the jphracing.com site. look in the calandra section, or at the bottom of the products page, they are highlighted there.

Katfish: Got yours set aside and I'll bring 'em.

Dale: Let us know how your first outing turns out! Good luck!

67-4-fun
02-04-2006, 09:04 AM
Hey Moss.. U still need to get your car together yet!!!!

JP

tightline31408
02-04-2006, 09:09 AM
hey jake i will get a set when u get back from the birds! awlsome!!! :thumbsup:

BANDIT R/C PRODUCTS

rcgen
02-04-2006, 09:30 AM
Good luck to all the Maverick drivers going to the Birds. I'll be there on Sunday to watch the mains...

j21moss
02-04-2006, 10:07 AM
Jon,,,it's been together..just like to update this car when new things come out..still fighting this front end..I hate shimming!!! :freak: also still waiting on the new HPI shock and still deciding on what new ESC and servo to use with it..I got a Keyence in my ADX II and it's fairly new but not real happy with it may try to go with something else..GTX or Quantum II..as for servo the ones I love are no longer made from Futaba..Might want to change to KO..I used Nick's KO Mars at the velodrome last year and it was nice..we'll see..anyway I'm going to the track tonight and run some 4 cell Busch with that old T/M chassis..wish I could have gone to the Birds this year..dayum ex-wife!!! :freak: I got a court hearing on the 10th so that shot that trip all too heah..dang it!!!! now that's 3 years in a row I have missed this great race!!!

Oh well for all the lucky ones who are going!!!!! Go get'em!!!!!Good Luck to all the Team drivers and win one for me :thumbsup: and Doke Boy Kraios..give them the ole Hoosier smack down!!!!!!

67-4-fun
02-05-2006, 01:17 AM
Hey Moss.. I know, I just figured that I would give u a hard time about it LOL :tongue: I will probably be at the moose next Sat. to run 4 cell busch...

P.S when r u going to send me those e-mail's that Brad sent u, I know u probably been busy ?

JP

Dale
02-05-2006, 11:56 AM
Hey all, I didn't get thecar just right (front end) in time to race this weekend. I am putting the finishing touches on it today and will definetly run next saturday. Will update when I practice this week. Dale

Roadsplat
02-05-2006, 10:49 PM
Went to Josh Cyruls track in Detroit yesterday with my Maverick. Been trying to get it dialed in and ready for the Novak race coming up in a couple of weeks. Have been talking with Jake about things to try with a couple of issues that I have been having. The changes made helped quite a bit however I had a radio failure and the the car went full tilt into the wall. Below is a picture of the damage encountered. I'm not sure but I don't think when Jake told me to make some changes to the front end, that he meant for me to take it to this extreme. Jake is sending out my replacement chassis, so I should have it back together for this coming up weekend race and it will certainly be ready for the Novak race.

Good luck to all the Maverick drivers going to the birds.

RC

Raptor_MS
02-05-2006, 11:03 PM
OUCH!

Kenny@RAPTOR

tightline31408
02-05-2006, 11:25 PM
Thats gone leave a mark!!! :freak:

BANDIT R/C PRODUCTS

JPH Racing
02-06-2006, 12:57 AM
Moss: You gonna race the Maverick in 2006? :)

JP: Gotta keep him motivated. I know he'll run it sooner or later!

Dale: Good job not running it until it's all done right. Let us know how practice goes and if you have any tuning questions please post the up.

RC: Hmmmm .... I can fix that!
Man, I hate radio failures. Nothing like watching your ride head into the wall full tilt. I know you'll get it fixed up, but she sure looks ugly right now!


Here's the driver and class list for the 'Birds. (Although, I'm still feeling like we're missing a couple names on the list?) DW and AC are leaving tomorrow morning, they will be at the track around 9 or 10pm. I'm still wrenching and getting ready! Not feeling very prepared this year! But, I'll be there to have some fun with everyone ... Lookin' forward to it!

Stock:
Jimmy Flack
Dick Jarvis
James Seckinger
Erich Reichert

Sportsman 19:
Bill "Katfish" Sell
David "Mr." Butts
Jimmy Flack
Anthony "AC" Crivelli
Chuck Kleinhagen
Steve "Tinman" Platt
Jake Rosen

Expert 19:
Greg Kraios
Matt Gansen

1/12 Scale 19:
Bill "Katfish" Sell
Dick Jarvis
Brian Roebuck
Steve "Tinman" Platt
Mel McCoy
Ronnie Hames
Jake Rosen

4 Cell Mod:
David "DW" Wert
Greg Kraios

6 Cell Mod:
David "DW" Wert

tony 13
02-06-2006, 02:06 AM
We leave bright and early. Look forward to meeting many of you this week. The tires are trued and the bags are packed Its birds time baby!!!!!
AC

JPHRacer
02-06-2006, 05:50 AM
9 hours and counting before the flight, cant wait. Just finished painting the last charger body. Time to start packing the clothes...

Scott M
02-06-2006, 09:37 AM
The Mavericks made a pretty good showing at the 16th annual asphalt challenge in Gilbert AZ. All the red around our pits generated quite a bit of interest.

Of the 3 running 19T One made the main and finished 5th. I was pole in the B - finished 2nd. and the third Maverick struggled as he sowed up from New Mexico and had no time to get set-up. The competition was very close A main had two 39-lappers the rest were 38. I was the last 38 and didn't make the show by 0.2 sec. It wasn't the car but the guy behind the wheel!

Jake - I need that DOT-BE-GONE spray you said you were R&D'ing :)

We were proud to represent Maverick Red.

Good luck at the Birds guys!

pepe
02-06-2006, 10:29 AM
Where did you guys get those T-shirts?

Scott M
02-06-2006, 10:44 AM
Pepe,
Alan has had the long sleeve for along time and on post 2489 Jake put up that he had some XXL shirts he found when doing shop reorganization.

What you cant see is that my shirt is tucked in down to my knees!:)

tightline31408
02-06-2006, 06:07 PM
again 2 jake and my maverick teammates the track looks great so giv em hell guys 4 me!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cool: :cool: :cool:

David Butts
02-06-2006, 06:29 PM
We were proud to represent Maverick Red.

Hmm, That just gave me an idea for my practice body color. thx guyshttp://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/510/medium/AlanScott2.JPG

maverick08
02-06-2006, 08:10 PM
OK guys, I was wanting to get everybody's opinion on something. Ever since I got my 05, I have always ran my t-plate in the offset position ( meaning to the left), and according to Jakes directions and most people posting on here, they prefer it on flat tracks because they think it gives more left side bias. After looking and thinking about it, I think it actually gives you less left side. Yeah, it shifts the t-plate to the left, but it looks to me like it actually will give you LESS left side, because you are moving the pivot point of the t-plate left, which is actually moving the batteries 3/16" closer to the centerline of the car. Like I said, I have just been brainstorming about it, and wanted to see what everybodys opinion was.

Thanks,
Todd Gross

Roadsplat
02-06-2006, 08:54 PM
Todd I agree with you. I was thinking the same exact thing. I think to actually get more left side bias the t-plate would have to be moved to the right of center.

RC

BHayes
02-07-2006, 10:19 AM
By moving the t-plate to the left, you also move the attachment point of the center shock to the left. So now, the force generated by the center spring is no longer evenly split between the LF and RF tires, instead, it places more force on the LF. The t-plate also acts as spring, so this force is also biased towards the left. This becomes very obvious if you use four corner scales for setup. What I have noticed with the offset t-plate, is that even after adjusting the tweak to get sufficient LR weight, that I still have more LF weight with the offset t-plate. This additional LF weight really helps the car turn through the corners, but because you have not taken weight off of the LR, you can still keep the car from being too loose. And by starting with more left side weight, you contour act some of the weight transfer that occurs on flat tracks.

I hope all of that makes sense....if not post your questions and I'll try to follow-up with a better explanation.

Brad

maverick08
02-07-2006, 10:50 AM
Brad,

I see what you are saying about the static weight of the left front being greater with an offset tplate setup. And from my experience, a larger amount of left front static weight helps the car TURN IN better. Do you agree? But it still seems to me when the pivot point of the tplate is farther to the left, when the static weight of those left side tires transfer to the right in the turns, that there will be less force on that left front tire AFTER initial turn, than there would be with the tplate in standard position. From my years of racing r/c cars, karts, modifieds, etc. , I have just always adjusted the left front for initail turn in reasons ( static weight, camber, caster ), and used the other three tires for middle and off turn issues. I'm not trying to argue with ya, I just love to discuss things and learn something new! Let me know what ya think! :thumbsup:

Later,
Todd

Raptor_MS
02-07-2006, 02:32 PM
OK guys, I was wanting to get everybody's opinion on something. Ever since I got my 05, I have always ran my t-plate in the offset position ( meaning to the left), and according to Jakes directions and most people posting on here, they prefer it on flat tracks because they think it gives more left side bias. After looking and thinking about it, I think it actually gives you less left side. Yeah, it shifts the t-plate to the left, but it looks to me like it actually will give you LESS left side, because you are moving the pivot point of the t-plate left, which is actually moving the batteries 3/16" closer to the centerline of the car. Like I said, I have just been brainstorming about it, and wanted to see what everybodys opinion was.

Thanks,
Todd Gross


It does give you less leftside weight (static: same as moving your batteries in), but it transfers quicker. Hence the monstrous mid off turning ability. If you want more overall left side weight (static: moving your batteries further out), move your t-plate to the right. Offsetting the t-plate either way plays more of a role on "transfering" the weight rather than static weight.

Kenny@RAPTOR

maverick08
02-07-2006, 03:14 PM
Raptor,

I totally agree with your comment. So basically, what I am tryin to say is that if a person was dealing with an extremely high bite carpet situation ( say a big race with alot of cars), where everybody is fighting a tight chassis, and putting on the hardest right front tire they can find, a standard tplate setup ( or shifting it right ) might be a good adjustment to try , due to the fact that you will be slowing and reducing weight transfer to the right side tires. Keep posting boys, this is fun!!! LOL

Todd

BHayes
02-07-2006, 04:31 PM
Todd,

Yes the greater static LF weight primarily effects TURN IN.

I also agree that having the weight (batteries) closer to the roll axis (t-plate), generally makes the car transfer weight more quickly and be more responsive. But you also need to keep in mind that the side shocks can be used to tune how responsive the car is. Everything is inter-related.
So if you start with the t-plate offset, more LF static weight, and then you properly tune the side shocks and front springs to control weight transfer, then you can in theory keep some of that additional LF weight from transferring to the right. And therefore have a car that turns better throughout the corner.

On the extremely high bite carpet situation (flat track), I still think the offset t-plate would be better, as long as you combine that with stiffer springs. Use the stiffer springs and harder tires to free the car up as needed. There may be a case where the centered t-plate is better on a flat track, but so far I have always been happy with the offset t-plate in those cases.

But if you try it out, and find otherwise, please post it here. I am always learning, and we are all interested in hearing what others find to work best.

Brad

maverick08
02-07-2006, 06:23 PM
Everybody,

Thanks for your time and ideas.

Later,
Todd

Milky
02-07-2006, 07:10 PM
I think I understand. Would this be why when switching from running stock everwhere then putting in a 19t I could barely drive it coming off? I had to put a bunch of tweak in it to drive it, Is this normal thing, that by running the offset tplate the car turns so good off that I would have to counter that to have it hooked up?
Andy

BHayes
02-08-2006, 07:47 AM
Milky,

That could be. Do you have access to a set of scales? If so, let me know how much weight you have on each tire, then I can point you in the right direction for tweak. Also, what kind of track are you running on, and what tire compounds are you using?

Brad

Milky
02-08-2006, 09:04 AM
The only place I ran 19T was at Racers Haven in Bakersfeild. Short flat asphalt. it is about time I started keeping track of weight at all 4 corners. I will start there and let you know, Thanks.

Racin JJ 83
02-09-2006, 02:45 AM
Good luck to all at the birds!!
Dude show them how to do it!!
Racin JJ