How good are these cars on smaller flat tracks? Me and a couple of freinds want to start a supertruck division using 4 cell and we are not sure of motor yet.

How good are these cars on smaller flat tracks? Me and a couple of freinds want to start a supertruck division using 4 cell and we are not sure of motor yet.


Ive driven my Maverick on a 90 foot track with narrow turns, all you have to do is move your front plate back and offset the front end and pod, and you are set.

These cars are dialed in on any track you go to, thats for sure.

The parts finish is the equivilent of the big companies like Hyperdrive, Associated, Racetech, etc. No expense was spared to design and manufacture this car.

If you try it, you will like it, I promise! Plus you get the best company support Ive seen.

Seems to be a popular car, looks sweet and nobody has one where I race, yet. How are they with say hyperdrive or racetech rear pods? I can pick one up reasonable and convert it if need be.

we have pics with one with a 0700 hyperdrive pod on the website!

Seems to be a popular car, looks sweet and nobody has one where I race, yet. How are they with say hyperdrive or racetech rear pods? I can pick one up reasonable and convert it if need be.

Koz, Kevin, ran a hyperdrive pod on his for a few races. I belive that he stoped using it because he just didn't like the leangth of it. I cant remember exactly. Maby if your reading this kevin you can elaborate...
If I were you I would get the Niftech pod plates, they are super stong and light. They have some that are extended too. I personally like the short ASC pod compaired to the extended pod plates. I like having a lot of LR weight to drive the car off the corners in mod. But I also run a lot of LF weight to get the car to turn. But that is my prefrence.

Because the car has the ability to be run super short I think that it would be perfect for that, plus the car just rocks overall, you will love it.

Edit: you beat me to it Kevin.

Here is the chassis set-up we ran at Boulder City. Next time I might work on freeing up the chassis in the corners slightly. We worked the right front tire a little more than I would have liked. Had almost no wear on Left front. Could also run the rear pod in the center.

Boulder City / SWT race April 26, 2003 / Austin Gossard driver

Front Tires: TRC Left-pink, Right-purple
Rear Tires: TRC Left-purple (1.7 width), Right-purple (1.7 width)
Tire Dia: 2.280
Stagger: 0
Front Springs: Left-green, Right-Purple Wolfe Std.
Center Shock: Asc Blue Alum Body, 50wt, #2 piston, Red Asc spring (cut down truck) / front of center shock raised .100
T-plate: .063 fiberglass, bolted to outside holes only/ offset rear pod
Side Shocks: Left-red, Right-red / mounted 2nd hole from end / outside raised .060
Side Oil: 40wt
Scale weights: Left-11 oz, Right-8 oz
Battery Tray: Rear holes on chassis, 5 back on adapter / Batteries mounted .400 from outside edge
Front Plate: Centered, All the way forward
Wheelbase: 10.250
Ride height: Front 4mm, Rear 5 mm
Rear track width: 7.9375
Body: Protoform Dodge, w/ .250 spoiler / body mounted rearward
Wing: Large Wing Self-made, mount toward back, .875 off deck
Motor: 8t double / geared 33/110
Misc.: Transponder mounted on front bumper, receiver pack forward on battery tray
NOTE: Qualified 2nd Sportsman Mod, lead race until radio glitch at 2:00 min mark. Car was very fast out of the box. Made no chassis adjustments at race. :thumbsup:

Jim, Thanks for posting that setup, now I have something to work with.

What should I be geared at in 19t or do you know?

Maverick

This is what Bruce (RC4LESS)Triplett ran: 19t was somewhere in the 2.25 - 2.30 range with 2.25" tires

He was pitting w/ the KSG guys (although he ran his Hyperdrive) and qualified 4th. Triplett, Gary Hamilton, Erik Steenhoven and Jim Silvay were ALL dialed~

The Mav 03 looks and sounds like a awsome car can't wait to get one just saving my pennys now, has anyone tried a ksg pod on the car, if they have could you give some insite on set up Im running on a small bullring with and 84 foot drive line.


Thanks Jason

Jim: Thanks for posting the set-up!

Joe: Sounds like you had a really good event! Thanks for all the hard work and support you do for oval racing in So-Cal.

Latemod29 & Ghostrider: The conversion was design around the Associated pod (or IRS extended plates). But, so far guys have adapted all kinds of pod set-ups onto it. Hyperdrive, Ractech, KSG, etc ... You just have to play with cross braces and shock angles, etc ...

Jake
JPHRacing001@aol.com

Jake-
I would like to extend a HUGE congrats to Phil Owen for breaking his track record in 4-cell 19 turn by one second & setting a new track record w/his Mav '03 @ Hobby World-Jacksonville,FL. Might just have to get me one of those Mav '03's!!! :thumbsup:
-George

hey jake! you messed up bro...you hooked up tinman aka steve platt over here in tampa and he went out and blistered the field with his new sled! i know when i see a good car and if tinman can run fast with this car i think a quality driver could realy go fast with it! and if i'm reading right phil owen runs fast with one also? wow does this car drive itself? lol just wanted to give you some props on a great flat outdoor ride..anyone needing a good outdoor flat asphault setup should head over to the thunder racing web site and look up the tinman..he was wicked fast sunday at GT bray here in florida..he even beat me by 2 feet in the main! errrrrrrrrr why did you have to send him a car? lol it's great reading about all these great new oval cars out there! :thumbsup:

George: Thanks Man! Phillip Owen has been dialed and super fast with his '03 Maverick! It think that's three new Track Records, in three weeks? Did he turn any laps below 7.0 this weekend?

Katfish: Thanks, that means a lot coming for you. The TinMan has been on fire the last few races! I told him Old Dogs can learn new tricks, like running at the front of the pack! Way to go Steve!

Danny McClinton should be getting his '03 Maverick's by the end of the week, watch out the BigDogR/C Team is stepping up!

Jake, mail back at you.

George: Thanks Man! Phillip Owen has been dialed and super fast with his '03 Maverick! It think that's three new Track Records, in three weeks? Did he turn any laps below 7.0 this weekend?.....
Danny McClinton should be getting his '03 Maverick's by the end of the week, watch out the BigDogR/C Team is stepping up!

Jake-
No,nobody turned a sub-6 second lap that night. I think the fastest he got was a 7.2! :eek: I'll be getting a '03 Mav from the Big Doggies,too whenever they get them in stock! :thumbsup:
-George

George: Danny has 4 coming his way and should get them on Thursday ... I think he is only building two, so getting one shouldn't be a problem!

Jake

I have one waiting for ya George. Cars are here and they look Sweeeet!
Can't wait to get one on a track. :cool:

I have one waiting for ya George. Cars are here and they look Sweeeet!
Can't wait to get one on a track. :cool:
Dan-
Hold it for me & I'll get it from ya next Friday! :thumbsup:
-George

Back from racing....

In the first heat the car had a chatter to it, but was otherwise OK. The second heat rolls around, Ive made some changes to my car and its cooled off. Then things got fun. For a good minute and a half the top three cars were nose to tail. We swapped spots a few times and I led the way for a while. Then I smacked a pylon and ended up 4 seconds behind the leader. In the main the car had the corner speed, but the motor was just flat, needs a rebuild.

This car has the most corner speed Ive ever seen-its unreal. I could drive it white knuckle right on the corner pylons and the car stayed consistant. Im loving this thing!

Oh, and the car didnt drag the ground either :o

What did you do to stop the chatter? Some of us have been experiencing it in mod on flat tracks. I have been geting rid of it by softening the center or standing it up in the mount. I had good luck with that, but what did you try; tires, front end, side springs? Just a little curious.

What did you do to stop the chatter? Some of us have been experiencing it in mod on flat tracks. I have been geting rid of it by softening the center or standing it up in the mount. I had good luck with that, but what did you try; tires, front end, side springs? Just a little curious.

I dont have an adjustable shock mount, so i couldnt do that. I ended up going from a red center to a silver center, and taking out some preload. The chatter was gone and the car was great. What center shock are you running?

Change the spring and preload, if that doesnt work change the oil and lastly go to a softer t plate.

Yah that was the same thing that we all did. I went from an HPI Grey (real stiff) to an asc gold (not the truck cut one but one of the old ones that is the right size o fit our center shocks it was discontinued years ago)

I just need to play with it more to get rid of the chatter without gaining rear bite. I lost 1/10 per lap because of the softer center, but It was way more controllable. Cool thanks all I needed to know.

You can try running a spring stiffer than the gold yet softer than the grey to find the sweetspot..Maybe then you wont lose time.

Yah, I tried about 4 differnt springs one in each heat and main. The main was my fastest run just because the car stoped chattering and never spun coming out. But the laps were just slower than what I did in my previous heats.

Are you running 19t, mod, or stock?

Yah, I tried about 4 differnt springs one in each heat and main. The main was my fastest run just because the car stoped chattering and never spun coming out. But the laps were just slower than what I did in my previous heats.

Are you running 19t, mod, or stock?

It depends on whos at the track on that weekend, usually stock. I dont change my setups other than in 19t and mod Ill run blue side springs and a pink LR.

A few questions, just to understand whats going on. Is the chatter on enterance or exit? On power or off? Begining of turn in or in the middle?
What typs of t-plates, fiberglass or steel? Shock valving and oil weight? I assume this is the rear chattering. If it is the rear, does the car push (understeer) or is it on the loose (oversteer) side?

Try to break the corner into 3 parts, enterance, middle, and exit. If you can give me some answers to the questions, maybe I can come up with a solution. I have an idea, but I want to make sure before I suggest something.

Jim

Got my new '03 last week and after seing Phillip Owen set down some blistering fast lapps at our new track in Jax fl I can hardly wait!

Jake,
we sold our first maverick last thursday and will be place an order to restock here soon!

Thanks Greg Mohrbacher
www.bigdogrc.com
www.fccarpetracing.com

A few questions, just to understand whats going on. Is the chatter on enterance or exit? On power or off? Begining of turn in or in the middle?
What typs of t-plates, fiberglass or steel? Shock valving and oil weight? I assume this is the rear chattering. If it is the rear, does the car push (understeer) or is it on the loose (oversteer) side?

Try to break the corner into 3 parts, enterance, middle, and exit. If you can give me some answers to the questions, maybe I can come up with a solution. I have an idea, but I want to make sure before I suggest something.

Jim

Car has good entry but in the middle of the corner the car will pickup this chatter then on power when exiting the car wants to spin. I tried softer center as the day went on and adding some LR weight, and moving the LR out. It god rid of the chatter by the main but the car was slow in the middle and coming off to the point that the motor was having a hard time trying to pull it down the straight.

My driving line change that KOZ told me to try about halfway through helped, I was letting off before I came in and was on the throttle all the way through.

Side shocks: 35 wt oil blue springs L&R
Center: 50 wt oil #2 piston asc old RC10 front spring Gold (asc shock)
T-bar: Silva concepts 0 degrees of rear steer
Pod: straight up
Front springs: red wolfe std on right and Green wolfe std on left
Front Lube: 50,000 wt mugen silicone diff oil.
TRC Tires: Red RF Purple LF Pink LR purple RR

Hi guys, Ive got some good news.....

I am proud to announce that I will be running BANZAI MOTORSPORTS motors and accessories and KC-RACING batteries from now on. I look foward to many good finishes with this support!

293 days til,the BIRDS! :jest:

Big :thumbsup: to KC-racing Batteries! Started running and selling my self and they are acurate #'s.
Greg Mohrbacher
www.bigdogrc.com
www.fccarpetracing.com

Jake, try a softer t-bar. possibly .065 glass, get a red asc truck spring and cut it down. Instal with 2 turns pre-load. Side shock spings red rt rear - blue lft rear. Scale the car with 4oz split. (heavy to LR) Try this for a start.

Also continue with letting off on entrance, and drive thru the corner. This will alow the car to take a set before the transition in the middle of the corner. It also allow the car to get a run for the straight. If the car pushes keep adding a turn in the center, up to 4-5 turns total or until it goes loose. Fine tune with side shocks.

Give this a try. Let me know.

Jake, try a softer t-bar. possibly .065 glass, get a red asc truck spring and cut it down. Instal with 2 turns pre-load. Side shock spings red rt rear - blue lft rear. Scale the car with 4oz split. (heavy to LR) Try this for a start.

Also continue with letting off on entrance, and drive thru the corner. This will alow the car to take a set before the transition in the middle of the corner. It also allow the car to get a run for the straight. If the car pushes keep adding a turn in the center, up to 4-5 turns total or until it goes loose. Fine tune with side shocks.

Give this a try. Let me know.


I like the idea, but I want to know why you should run the red spring? Just to offset the softer t plate or???

Thanks

If you aren't running any rear steer with the silva t-bar and want to stick with a spring steel piece, you could try a double slot trinty. They flex alot easier than the silva.

I'm a little confused about the chatter you guys are talkin about. ( I'm just a good old carpet boy! LOL ) What is creating the chatter? Is it the front tires due to a push condition or the rear tires due to a loose condition? I'm assuming that you think it's a rear end problem if you are wanting to try softer t-bars and center shock springs. If that the case and the chatter starts occuring in the center of the corner, it sounds to me like the right rear isn't planting as the weight transfers. Here's a couple ideas for you guys to think about:

1) Try some reverse stagger in the rear or more if you already have some
2) Move the batteries to the right a little
3) Tuck the right rear in

Just my 2 cents, let me know what you guys think!

Todd Gross
Team Maverick

From what I have learned in research and development of springs in regards to full size automobiles, is a wire or coil type spring is easier to control its energy release over a flat type or leaf spring. You are also able to adjust the starting rate of a coil spring by means of preload. Unlike a flat or leaf spring which is limited by design factor. My view is that I use the t-bar strictly as a means to connect the rear to the front, and as a pivot. I then use the coil spring to do the work of holding the car up during movement. Then by using the shock to control the rate at which the spring energy is released. The other thing that needs to be kept in mind is that a flat style spring will lose it effectiveness a lot sooner than a coil. Unless a coil spring is put in constant coil bind, it will always stay the same rate. If you were the look at a flat spring like, lets say a piece of .030 lexan. Take the lexan and bend it at the same spot over and over, eventually it will stay bent and start to crack. Loosing it ability to act as a spring. The same happens to steel. Over time the flat steel looses it means of acting as a spring. Also crashes and hard impacts will cause the spring to loose it effectiveness, because during an impact the grains of the metal will misalign causing a weak spot of flaw. This in return will cause the spring to react differently. There is nothing wrong with spring steel t-plates, you just have to keep on top of them.

This is sickly my opinion and I’m sure that there are others that feel differently. All I can do is relay what I learned from experience. Ultimately you have to do what works for you. This is why testing is so important. Remember when you test, start with a baseline. Make as few changes as possible. Even go back to your baseline after 4 or 5 changes just to make sure you are going the right direction. The other thing to remember is driving style has a large effect on how the car reacts. What works for one may not work for another, because of how one drives.

i'm assumming the chatter Dave aka jph racer is talking about is at one of our flat tracks we race at in fairfield,ca. this particular track is a little quirky in turn one which is probabbly where the chatter is.. there are very small bumps almost like a small series of ripples due to uneveness of the surface going into turn one. sometimes it;s more apparent than other times due to the fact that the track especially turn one isn;t always in the same spot {parking lot}

the chatter is usually entering and sometimes right before the apex. alot has too do with entering and rolling off the throttle abit to get the car to take a set. i have found that a softer t-plate with a medium rate spring and a liitle more dampning say 50-60 wt seems to settle the car and transisitions over this particular turn.

i have not found this to happen at any other facility we race at.. all the cars do this to some extent and a majority is the surface itself and how one enters turn one..

hopes this gives alittle more insight on dave's question..

Yes, this only has happened at this one particular track. And, it's happened before, with different MFG's of chassis.

For myself, and this is just my opinion here, this is what was happening to my car that day. Running 4 Cell Mod, I was over driving the car. It had a push, everywhere in the turn. (Bad set-up that day on my part!)

I think it was actually falling over on the right front, fully compressing the spring. The tire may have been rubbing the body, or the right front was just skidding over the ground. This may have been the chatter that we saw.

But, it's hard telling, because it happened to a few cars that day. KOZ may have figured it out, with the small bumps in the track ...

But, we'll be back racing there in a few weeks, and we'll find out then. I'm going to try a slightly different set-up, and try different driving techniques if the problem pops up again.

Thank to everyone who put in some input on the subject, interesting reading for sure.

Jake

Todd: Hey Man, how's the karting been? Are you having any R/C withdrawals (sp?) yet? You were running strong at the end of your carpet season.

Greg: Danny just called and ordered another round of chassis. Thanks for adding it to your website! Good luck with the big race this weekend, hope everything goes well and you guys do good with the Mavericks!

Jim: Thanks for all the input. Looking forward to running Vegas with you guys.

Cody: Congrats on the new Sponsors! Hope this will help you dominate the local scene in the upcoming months!

Hey Jake! Karting hasn't really happened yet. The rain has been terrible over here! Supposed to go tomorrow night. And yes, the r/c withdrawls have already started! ( Actually, they never stopped! LOL! ) I'm thinkin about trying to hit the Velodrome in Indianaplolis some time this summer, just gotta try to fit it into the busy schedule. Just sucks, with my local track not running oval this summer, I have to travel anywhere from 1 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours to get to the next closest tracks. :cry: Oh well, guess i'll qit cryin now! Later!

Todd Gross
Team Maverick

Todd: I haven't done it in a few years, but Velo Racing is AWESOME! You never really realize how fast you are going, until you have to stop!

Hey Everyone: Please check out the new products on the site! Great prices on stuff racers need, no matter what chassis they are running!
New Stuff from Swift R/C Racing Products (http://www.jphracing.com/Page.cfm?InfoID=2897)

Just to add to the shops list of new parts we also have qute a selection of the Reedy KR motors from 11-7 turns.

Just to give you guys some insight on Velo bodies -- Do not use the narrow Mcallister Monte Carlo -- I have been twice now -- once with the Mcallister body and yesterday with the Parma 97 Velo body - no chassis changes at all - The Parma body was worth 2 laps over the Mcallister. Please dont get me wrong about Mcallister bodies -- this body is just not designed for 55 mph speeds on the Velo. The Parma body, Protoform High speed Taurus or Bolink body are just much better. Note though that all 3 of these bodies are out of production. Parma was nice enough to get out the mold and pull 35 of them for us here at Indy. I am sure they will do more on request.

Woody: Thanks for the tip on the bodies! Velodrome needs special equipment, and the body is critical to success. How did you end up overall?

A few notable results from this last weekend's races. Congrats guys!

Phillip Owen wins the 19 Turn class at the opening race of First Coast Carpet Racing, Florida.

Steve "The TinMan" Platt wins the 19 Turn class at Thunder's GT Raceway in Florida.

Kevin Osmon wins the 4 Cell Mod class at the Rocks Club race in Fairfield, Calif. David Wert Takes 2nd, Tony Barragan 3rd.

Jake Rosen wins the Spec-19 class, which was the 125 lap Feature Race, at the Rocks Club race in Fairfield, Ca. Tom Sobetski takes 2nd, Brad Bartholdy 3rd.

:cool: Jake, all it takes is a good chassis and a little fine tuning and it's a winner right out of the box. Thanks for a great design!!

To all the Maverick boy's out there.. how about posting some idea's or major changes or minor you've tried and if it has increased lap times or decreased....

i know the majority run's a 02' jeff green edition. what other bodies have some of you tried and results?

i've done a fair amount of testing with our cars on different tracks and would like to read about what some of you may have found as well.

just looking for a different perspective from some in different parts of the country.

thank you
Kevin

Jake, is it alright if I take the JPH/MOC logo and put it on a shirt along with my sponsors logos? I need to get it done for the Kimbrough.


About bodies...I use the '02 Green edition, but Ive had good luck with the Bolink MC. The spoiler is kind of small for some applications but its a pretty good body.

Jake can you some part numbers on the t bar parts you guys used for the rear stear on the mav 02


Thanks Jason

Jake I came out 4th this last time but Mel ended up 2nd with the winner being DQ'd for being light so Mel won -- looking forward to going back June 22

FYI we were running 19t 4 cell - Gearing at 88-45,46

Cody: I'll e-mail you about that ...

Ghost Rider: I'll e-mail you too!

Woody: Awesome! Super huge gearing on the velodrome! How about getting yours and Mel's set-up for the website?

How about some feedback for KOZ guys?

Like: Where are you running your batteries? Have you split your front plate? Where are you running the front plate? Wheelbase? Front Offset? Etc ... I know we've got some fast guys running the MOC these days ... Phillip Owen, The TinMan, Woody, Todd Gross, and many more.