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like to wish all the maverick drivers a safe and happy new years,,
go fast ,, go faster,, go the fastest and dont get caught,,

yall be good
BIGDON

jake,,
ygm

How do you do a partial quote reply?

quote the whole message then delete out what you dont want inside of the quote tags.

Big Don..glad to know your still around, haven't heard much from you lately.

Jake..It's '05 (2005), it's '05 Maverick time toooooooo!! Can't wait!!

Phil, Dave W., Kat, and the rest of the "Maverick Family".....HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!

Gang, For some strange reason I'm unable to edit my posts today. After looking at the terrible death and destruction in Asia that still continues to mount I have had second thoughts about my reference to the tsunami in an earlier post but am unable to change it. I appologize if it offends anyone and even with my warped sense of humor it may have been in bad taste at the time.

Not offended. Nothing can offend my punk attitude. : )

Happy new year to ya' all. Thanks tin man. Good things come to those who wait.

Very good things...

DW

Jake..first race of '05 and had to do it with an '04....LOL!! Ran 70 lap mains and lead from lap 3 to lap 69, then ouch, managed a 3rd place finish, should have had an '05 then it would have been different!! Snowbirds getting closer and closer, should be a great fun time with more Mavericks then ever!!!! NOW, QUIT READING THESE POSTS AND GET TO WORK.................more later,
Tin Man

tinman-sounds more like driver than car if ya led from lap 3 to 69. the 04 is still a awsome car.it is so easy to drive,i love it.i am personally not going to switch to the 05 cause i dont like sliders.i am looking to get another 04 chassie if any of you are wanting to sell when you get your new 05's.


now if i could just get a deal on sum batteries i would take over 05 with a 04.lol

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tinman-sounds more like driver than car if ya led from lap 3 to 69. the 04 is still a awsome car.it is so easy to drive,i love it.i am personally not going to switch to the 05 cause i dont like sliders.i am looking to get another 04 chassie if any of you are wanting to sell when you get your new 05's.


now if i could just get a deal on sum batteries i would take over 05 with a 04.lolThere are some very typical traits that slider cars have which a solid chassis dont exhibit.

This issue was a big one for us, but there are so many other pluses that the new car will have that will outweight any disadvantage that a slider might exhibit.

The new side shock geometry is a big step forward for pan cars in general. We worked very closely with Brad Hayes to make sure that the overall geometry package was optimised for this chassis. The off-set t-plate also makes a good impact on the handling of the car. It plans the rear end giving you awsome ammounts of forward bite while still being able to rotate very well in the corners.

We have tested every change that this new car has, and even as individual changes they were allmost all noticable on the car. To be honest the only one that was not a noticable change was going from a solid to a slider. If you look at the pics of my car on the web site you'll notice that we took one of the OPC chassis with the off-set t-plate and cut it into a slider car. The only thing that changed on the track was that it was easier to get the cells in the right spot by having the finer adjustment.

The 04 cars are awsome cars, but let me tell you from my experience with them both the 05 is a better car. Many hours of Jakes and Brads sweat and blood have been put into making this the best car on the market. I think that all of you guys will find that this is true.

Dave- DW

Mr. Butts: Fleas from a thousand Lamas?? A thousand? Who put you in such a fine mood that day?? :)

BigDon: Hope to have you racing again soon!

Mr. Butts: Warped isn't always bad ....

TinMan: Well, I know you know this, but it's leading the last lap that really counts! 1st to 3rd in one "ouch", must have been a close and exciting race! All right, it's back to work in just a moment!

Yokeman: It does kinda sound like driver, not chassis, huh? Look for a solid chassis in the near future. Gotta give you guys options. And, you're right, the '04's are still awesome cars.

JFlack: Awesome! Keep up the good work! Gearing on 4 cell stock can be tough, you can be off by 4+ teeth in either direction, and it can all feel the same!

JPHRacer: Posted your latest motor article on the site ... Hope you're feeling better! (everyone, DW got his wisdom teeth pulled last week!)

Ok, back to work now! Gotta bug the machine shops again, and find the latest ETA ....

Howdy y'all! Ok, enough of the southernisms. I've been toying with the idea of trying an anti-roll bar on the front of my 04 OPC to control body roll when using softer springs.

I have/had the car working real well here in Jacksonville but since we have'nt raced in so long and I was bored and uh well there was beer in the fridge I started looking at a bar installation.

I looked at the pictures of Koz's car and I had previously bought a KSG bar kit but I did'nt like the fact that it would require more holes to be drilled in the front area of the chassis that has quite a few holes already. My primary track is fast and has wooden walls too. Nope, No more holes in the front end thank you.

I decided to try something different. Where is it written that the bar and mounts have to be ahead of the front suspension? I used an old Custom Works dominator/intimidator rear sway bar mount and mounted it under the front of the servo with the bar now exiting out under the A-arms on either side inline with the ball ends that are installed in the upper arms as is the norm with other bars. It's kinda stealthy as if you are'nt looking for a sway bar you wont see it. It works just as it should and only a small amount of the molded in bracing had to be notched for clearance on the bottom of the bottom a-arms.

My wheel base has to stay in the center holes now since the bar mount cant be moved but neither can anyone elses. If I can figure out how to post pics I'll do it.

This saturday weather permitting I'll try it out and once again I'm shooting for my 1st 36 lap run.

I just wanted to swing by and say thanks for the setup advice guys. The car turns like it is on one of those "sit-n-spins". It is almost to good. I found myself turning in at my normal spot and running in to the corner. I had to change the way I was driving the car. It also doesn't drift out to the wall coming off the corner. I keep taking steering out but I don't want to take to much out. Mainly so I can get out of trouble in traffic or if I miss my line. with a little tweaking I should be ok. Is there something I should be doing to make it turn a little less coming out of the corner? What I noticed more than anything was how much more stable the car was. I am not the best wheel man so that is important. But I think the Maverick is making me look good.

I picked up a full lap over my previous personal best. So thanks for your help. I am sure I will be picking your Maverick brains in the future.

Depending on where you have it start moving the LF tire in, and or start moving the LR tire out. Both of those will make the car more stable coming out of the corner and not be as edgy but without killing off corner speed.

Tires are also a huge part in making the car work. Having a softer LR tire or a stiffer LF tire will help too. If you make the tire placement changes and its not giving the effect that your looking for then you need to start making tire changes.

Tires are everything in oval racing.

Glad the car is working so well for ya. Keep up the good work.

DW

i have a question wouldn't moving the LR in or out do the same thing?

Either or. The LR out = more push on exit, more drive from the LR tire, LR in = less drive from LR more from RR making car have more steering on exit.

It all depends on what the cars doing. In mod its much easier to tell if the car is steering to hard from the front, or if its turing to hard from the rear on-power. In stock and most 19t racing its much harder to tell why your getting the loose condition. But both tire will have the same corner exit effect just the methods are reversed. LF in = push, LR out = push.

DW

that makes sense thanks

so how do you set the leftside. I have a L4 so the front don't move :( I set my LR 1/8 inch out from the LF to start My car is pretty much dialed @ HW so I haven't played with moving the LR.

would you say that on carpet having the LR even with LF would be a good starting point?

Stock maybe so, but in mod heck no. That tire is about 1/8-1/4" out from my LF to get the car to push off of that tire better. I want my car to drive as even as possible and you would need to move out the LR tire to do that. I havent raced in since 4-cell racing was the new thing. I have done a couple races here and there but its allways with my mod car and mod setup on it.

IMO having the LR that far in (equal with LF) makes the car want to square up the corner more, which it not the fast way around the track. But this is coming from a mod guy.

I think that you cant tell someone where to set that tire, its very much a tuning thing that varies from track to track. If your car is getting out of the corner the way you like then leave it. If you think that you can gain a little from tuning the car to get out of the corner more efficently then play with that tire spacing and tire compund on the LR.

Hope that all makes sence.

DW

perfect thanks

i nstock when i ran the car, i had the left rar anywhere from square to 1/4 out,,.. as jph saya it is a tuning aid.. further out make the car tighter.. i prefer a car that turns alot off the turns.. I like to drive it off rather then have it shoot off with a push.. my times are faster this way...

what i had to do to square it up, wa shave a little bit of the grafite tio get the tire as close to the raer block as i could.. and then i used shims on my left front axles to push it out a bit...

Mr. Butts: No where is it written that a sway bar must be mounted in front of the arms. It should work fine either way, as long as it clears all the steering linkage. Let us know how it works out! And, if you can find the proper buttons to push, post up a pic!

Brandon: I think we've all had the "Turn in too early" problem a time or two! When the chassis really starts working, it's amazing the amount of corner speed it has. For adding some rear traction coming off the corner try: adding tweak (the easiest change), moving the left rear out, stiffer right front spring, harder left front tire. Try them one at a time, and see what works well for you.

Davepull: Your L4 left front can move, it's done by shimming the wheel out on the axle. We use Wolfe inline axles, which allow for this. DW uses it as a tuning aid more than I do, I prefer to use the left rear most of the time.

Tuning with the left rear is easier when running the pod straight up. Not everyone likes a straight up pod, but it makes it much easier to move that left rear around. Like DW said, it depends on the class you're running. In stock, you can move the LR in much further than mod.

doooooooh I forgot about shimming the LF thanks guys we'll have to have a beer wed night @ the birds

dave- another good tuning pointer for theL4 is to lose the chassie and pick yourself up a MAVERICK. i say this cause i have both and my L4 is looking for a new chassie itself or a new owner.


any MAVERICK drivers plan on going to halo hobbies for nats in march?

Jake, good news, you'll be blessed with my presence again this year,.LMAO.....:) ....... got my days off from work...........wooooooooo.

I'm definitely looking forward to dinner at Charleys and bringing ronnie by your pits too. Bring some of them new cars with ya.....:thumbsup:


cya,

Rich

doooooooh I forgot about shimming the LF thanks guys we'll have to have a beer wed night @ the birds
Ahhh, now your speaking my language. : ) Just as long as you buy, I'm not 21 yet. And jake if you tell my mom I'm going to kill you.

Yokeman: I just saw that, was thinking that would be a cool race to go to. We might have to make a trip out there to Josh's track.

DW

sorry man Florida is a zero tolerance state which means you can't drink. and I don't contribute to the delinquancey of minors!!!!!!!!! lol muuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa

that would be cool for sum of you guys to come.dosent look like i am going to the birds this year $$$$$$$$$ so i am going to that 1.havent been there but hear its nice.i run on a track like there's in new castle indiana 160ft flat oval.so it should be fun.i am the only person around here that runs MAVERICK cars so it would be nice to look at some one eles car.

sorry man Florida is a zero tolerance state which means you can't drink. and I don't contribute to the delinquancey of minors!!!!!!!!! lol muuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa
Ahhhhhh, noooooo, damn thats what they say here in cali but that doesnt stop DW. ha ha ha.

Me and drinking at the birds would not be a good thing anyway. I'm not one to controll myself. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Charlies is always a good alternative. Best steak I have ever had in my life.

DW

DW, Yes Charlie's is onw awesome steak ......... see ya there.

BTW, make sure you ride the bus that comes and picks us up at the motel, that way those who would like to can "drink and be merry" and eat a steak and be able to find your way back.

Who knows between eating and joking around and bench racing we will actually find some time to race..........lol

Rich

i didnt see a post about it, but i was on the swiuft site yesterday, and ther3e was some nice new pics.. they show killer detail.. the car look like it gonna be the shizzle

Hey Burbs...you are 100% right, the pics look great,

Jake...tried to sneak something in on us didn't you!! (way to go)

Katfish..where are you, awefully quiet lately.

DW...don't worry when Jake's not lookin' I got a bottle for you..LOL

Phillip...wazzup buddy?

Okay Jake, so everyone is now ready for the release date, don't forget mine is the Maverick "Black" version.

To the rest of the Maverick Family...see ya'll at the 'Birds!!!!

That car looks pretty cool. How do I put my name on one and how much is it going to cost? I am just wondering if I need to sell a Kidney or something. After running my Katfish '04 I am going to have to get an '05.

To the rest of the Maverick Family...see ya'll at the 'Birds!!!!

I may not be in the immediate Maverick family but I just may be that long lost cousin that no one wants to see anymore.:rolleyes: Well maybe a step brother or something like that.?? Aha! my Maverick gets a work out tomorrow at HW. Three weeks since we last raced and I've actually worked on the car since then. Whats this world coming to?

Hey Butts(tm)....you've already been adopted into the "family"!! Rich B. (cheysomething) is gonna be the next one!! Have fun at HW and tell Phil to behave.

yokman, I'll have one of the new '05 cars at New Castle asap. You may see a couple of others show up there also!

Hey Butts(tm)....you've already been adopted into the "family"!! Rich B. (cheysomething) is gonna be the next one!! Have fun at HW and tell Phil to behave.

Hey Tin dude. Phil has'nt been racing here since I put him into that pipe at Race rock. I still dont think they ever got all that lexan outta the pvc. He sends me hate e-mail all the time and has threatened to put super glue in my comm drops bottle. You dont think he holds a grudge do ya? :rolleyes: Actually I spoke with him the other day and he's waiting like everyone else for the new car. Tick tock tick tock

Rich B. (cheysomething) is gonna be the next one!! Have fun at HW and tell Phil to behave.

Well, when its time for a new car, it will be on the short list for sure.....:thumbsup:

I guess the thing that would put Jakes car over the top is I get Tinman, Katfish, Butts and Phil to HO some setups from ......... :p . Tinman, can you be my agent ?.......lmao j/k.

see ya all soon,

Rich

BHays-hope to see you there next weekend for the snowbirds warm up race. there is going to be alot of good compition coming for this race.leading edge guys have been cleaning up house at new castle.i just orded 6 new packs from promatch so hopefully i will have the juice to keep up.my 04 has been awsome just no voltage.welp iam off for a day of fun running offroad.so good luck racers with your racing this weekend.

Mr. Butts: No where is it written that a sway bar must be mounted in front of the arms. It should work fine either way, as long as it clears all the steering linkage. Let us know how it works out! And, if you can find the proper buttons to push, post up a pic!


Hmmm? lets just say that my camera is'nt up to the task of taking quality close ups. Maybe I'll borrow a buds and try it.

The anti roll bar(Dare I call it the Buttbar prototype?) worked flawlessly. Not a hint of body roll and it was commented on by several racers that knew I had put it on. Tire wear was flat side to side instead of more pronounced on the right both front and rear which is what I was looking for also. Horsepower or the lack thereof kept me from my goal of 36 laps but I was in the A in the final race of the current point series.

So Dave, did you make your own or did you buy a KSG "Buttbar"? I've been thinking about this for some time. I am now running in a Brushless class and it is even more important then ever to roll through the center of the corner.

Chad O

So Dave, did you make your own or did you buy a KSG "Buttbar"? I've been thinking about this for some time. I am now running in a Brushless class and it is even more important then ever to roll through the center of the corner.

Chad O

Chad, Yes and yes. Or maybe that should be yes before yes but that would be real confusing if you did'nt get it. I made my own which is'nt hard to do and yes I bought a KSG sway bar kit butt(tm)did'nt use any parts from it. The KSG is a good looking/working piece allthough quite pricey but it's designed to work on a KSG car or any car which has it's bumper mounting holes spaced at the same width at the front suspension arms, The Maverick and most others do not. It can be made to work but would have required drilling more holes in the chassis where plenty o hole already exists.

An anti roll bar is really just a torsion spring thats connected to both sides of the suspension so that it resists one side or the other acting independantly of each other. It sounds counterproductive to have independant suspension working nonindependantly of each other but it really just keeps the vehicle to which it's attached flatter in attitude when changing directions abruptly.

A bar on the front only will actually reduce steering unless it's acompanied by lower rate springs and/or higher rate springs or an anti roll bar in the rear to compensate for the lower weight transfer side to side. It also may not be the hot setup for all tracks. Generally the higher the traction and smoother the track the more need for a flatter chassis.

Look at full size dirt cars, They will usually require so much weight transfer as to actually pick up the left front through the corners and they run realitively high ground clearance and long suspension travel Dirt is low traction and sometimes bumpy, Nextel cup cars would be in the wall if the left front came up and they run low ground clearance and realitively short suspension travel, Asphalt/concrete is high traction and most of the time smooth. Our little cars generate substantially higher cornering forces than full size cars but the theory still applies.

There have been thousands of r/c oval racers who have run without antiroll bars and they have gotten around the track just fine. Could they have done so better? Experimentation and fabrication is just a part of this hobby. Just sit back and think for a moment, That car you have was once someones experiment in fabrication. Now go to your local hobby shop and vist the airplane section. Every thing you need to experiment and fabricate with will be right there. Well everything except that $200,000 cnc machining station required to turn out a super cool looking one off sway bar mount but with a little imagination and understanding of suspensions anything can be done and you can do it.

Brushless is the future of r/c racing but I'm not ready to give up looking for the holy grail of brush compounds or comm drops just yet so good luck. You'll have a leg up on all us holdouts when the inevitable happens.:rolleyes:

Thanks Dave, looks like I need to make a trip to the shop and drop some more money. I have some experimenting to do............lol

Chad O

Wow, I've got some catching up to do with these posts ... DW and I took the weekend off to go racing (more on that at the bottom).

Yokeman: It would be nice to be able to attend the Halo Hobbies race. When are the dates? The only bummer is it's so close to the 'Birds.

Rich: Yes, we're looking forward to some steak and bench racing time with you guys.

Burbs: Thanks for posting up on the pics. I got them up, but ran out of time to post on here about them!

Tinman: How's the racing been??

Brando: As soon as all the parts are here, and I have a really good idea of when we'll be shipping, we'll start taking orders. Best guess right now is next week. And, we don't take kidneys for payment!

Mr Butts: Our ugly little red headed stepchild ... wow, did I say that out loud?? :)

Tinman: You're right, he's in the family now!

BHayes: Really soon!

Rich: Yep, we'll have set-ups out soon. DW has a killer mod set-up for the carpet right now. It will be up on the site in a day or two. One thing we've always tried to do is give everyone plenty of info. The new site will only make this better this year.

Mr. Butts: No luck with the camera? We need to scope out the new "Buttbar"tm prototype. One thing we're working on, is mounts to allow a KSG bar to bolt easily to our new chassis. No drilling of extra holes! I've got the prototype parts here, I need to mount them up and then I'll posts some pics.

Ok, on to the race report: DW and I spent the weekend over at Stockton, on the carpet oval. We put in some major track time, mainly working with DW's mod car. We dialed our cars in, dialed them out, dialed them in, dialed them out ... Trying many different set-ups.

The results on paper won't show it, but without a doubt DW had the best car he's ever had on carpet. A tenth off super fast guys like Hamilton and Steenhoven, every bit as good in the turns. Just minor bad luck and a little inexperience at being that fast, kept DW out of the hunt.

My 19 turn car was good, but I got in my own way too many times. Tried a few too many changes and went backwards. The car looked and drove very well all weekend, but I tuned it out of contention in Sunday's A Main. Oh well, gotta learn the hard way!

We'll have some set-ups and tuning info on the site in a day or two.

Jake

the halo hobbies race isnt until april i think.

bhays- you going to new castle this weekend?

my fire is burning!!! or was that taco bell ??? he he

Guys seriously this car got soo fast soo quickly its not even funny. 9 runs on the track with a brand new car and I had one of the fastest cars at the race. I was perplexed, I am not used to going out with a brand new car and at least not struggling with it at least a little bit.

This car just turn soo hard, but most importantly it turns soo flat and fast. The car looked as fast as the two other fast guys that I was racing aginst in mod. Two of the fastest guys on the West Coast. It was really a trip. I have never had a car this good in the history of my racing.

I was a little out of it this weekend and couldnt drive the car as well as I could have, I also had some bad luck in qualifying, but seriously guys, this car is just plain a rocket ship in the corners.

No smoke being blown here. Just you all wait. Damn I'm getting all excited just typing about it.

DW

dw i'm very happy to hear you are having a good time with the car! now i can't wait! kick jake in the rump for us! lol

The Car Was Way Fast, In The First Heat It Was Ballistic, Dw Was Overwheled By The Corning Speed. The Wait Is Well Worth It.

yokman, I am planning to be at New Castle this weekend, with the '05 car! Look me up when you get there. What class are you running? I'll be running 19 turn.