Originally posted by psycho02
So now you want me to come and give you the carpet bumper huh?


What you have going on Saturday? I could maybe come then. But I know I could'nt make it during the week. We have practice tuesday thru friday 6:00 to 7:30 Sure, I can wait up for you to do that!! I plan on being there pretty much all day Saturday.

Wait up my A$$ I will just have to get you as I lap your silly old crazy Floridian ready for the masters scrap heap butt.

Originally posted by psycho02
Wait up my A$$ I will just have to get you as I lap your silly old crazy Floridian ready for the masters scrap heap butt. Yikes! I don't have a response for that one.... give me a couple of days and I might manage to come up with something!!!

Nah I know you, you are a sly old dog, you will get me somewhere when I don't expect it.:devil:

John boy what time and day will you be at the new track??? :wave: :cool: :D

HOLY CRAP!!! Is that Roy Boy making an apperance??? Where have you been hiding? Did you finally find the key to the handcuffs and break free??:eek:

So who is going to the track tonight?

I will be there.I'am not much help but I will still be there.:wave:

There will be NO track building tonight. John is unable to make it tonight. Sorry about that.

So how old is this web site? Link (http://hometown.aol.com/GrtLksRcRw/index.html)

Originally posted by nitrorod
So how old is this web site? Link (http://hometown.aol.com/GrtLksRcRw/index.html)
J-rod, how in the heck do you stumble upon that? I can't say for sure but I think that picture is from the Hastings days.
Did you happen to notice the schedule.

Oval racing every Sunday.
Doors open at 10:00, and the first heat starts at 1:00.

Road Course every Saturday.
Doors open at 10:00 and the first heat starts at 1:00.

Kewl Schedule.

you mean it's taken you guys this long to figure out how to turn teh other way????:confused:

I know whos viper body that was!!!

Come on Kawada!!! He uses the same paint job all the time!!! He's still using it today!!! That picture must not have been taken too long after we all started going out to GLRC. If I'm not mistaken the year before we were just down the road from Gun Lake. That place is a used car lot now.:eek: :devil:

Originally posted by Greg Anthony
you mean it's taken you guys this long to figure out how to turn teh other way????:confused:


Some of 'em STILL can't turn right!!!:lol: :devil:

I have problems with both left and right.

I even know who's that is.


Originally posted by KawadaKid
I know whos viper body that was!!!

Look how new the Ozite looks.

Originally posted by nitrorod
I even know who's that is.
Poor Zerosan, and I heard that the driver of caa numba foe suck. hehe

Well, I hate to disappoint everyone but that track was NOT in Hastings. It was actually a one day race that we did at the Deltaplex! And yes the carpeting was brand new, and the borders were very lame. They were constructed from 4" strips of 3/8" plywood, and used 2 X 4's laying flat in the middle. Man, talk about getting splinters in your hands setting up and in your tires when racing!

Originally posted by knapster
Poor Zerosan, and I heard that the driver of caa numba foe suck. hehe Ahhhh... but do you recognize the kid marshalling in the upper part of the picture??

Oh yeah, and can anyone guess who's monster truck that is that's about to run over the TWO cars of zerosan?? The number 24 body was Pat Clements!

My guess is that its Garrett.

Originally posted by John Warner
Ahhhh... but do you recognize the kid marshalling in the upper part of the picture??

Annnnnnd, We have a winnnnnneeeer!!! Garrett Warner IS the correct answer!! J-rod, stop and visit Helen Waite at the front desk and pick out your prize!

Remember.... in order to claim you prize you'll
need to go to Helen Waite!!

Hay John :wave:
Turn on your nextel.

Hay John
Are we working on my van tomorrow????

Copy of a letter that just went out....

October 03, 2002

Well, as I've said before, it's that time of year once again where we move back indoors and do our battling on carpeting. And personally I can't wait! We did our very best to move back into the old Woodland skating rink again for this season, but those plans didn't work out.

So....... We've secured a new building, and a new address. The physical address is 2845 Thornhills Drive in Cascade. It's conveniently located just a short drive from the intersection of I-96 and 28th street. Some of you may remember the location I'm talking about as the former "Cadillac Jacks", "The Comedy Den" or "The Maze Craze". Anyway, this building was also used for indoor ice skating, BMX bicycle racing, motocross racing and professional skateboarding. The floors are flat, it has decent lighting, tons of parking, lots and lots of room, 40' ceilings, and an air exchanger that's capable of replacing the air (and heat) every 12 minutes. As well as many other great amenities.

We'll have two separate tracks set up the same as last year and will adhere to the same schedule as we've used over the past several years. (although, there has been much talk of switching our Saturday and Sunday schedule around, so.... we'll be having a three week ballot, and the outcome of votes from you the racers will be making that decision) Our club will be hosting this seasons leg of the CRL race in January, and we also have many other trophy and series races in the planning stages.

There's word out that there will be new jumps built for the stadium crowd that'll be radiused jumps instead of simply using pieces of flat angled plywood for that more realistic off-road racing experience. We're looking forward to making things bigger and better for everyone this year!

Plans are to work this Friday evening and over the weekend to get the majority of the work done so that we can be up and running full force next weekend!!

If you need to contact me for any reason,
Don't hesitate to call my cell at 616-838-2231
(the area code will be changing to 269 pretty soon)

Hope to see you soon!
John Warner

I vote that we DO NOT!!!!!!!!! change the schedule. Why??

1. Oval is on Saturday for a simple reason, NASCAR races are held on Sundays and those guys who race oval generally are nascar fans and want to watch the race. SO, if we switch oval to Sunday say goodbye to our oval racers.

2. Stadium CAN NOT be run on Sunday nights!! How many of you with children want to be up until 12 or 1am on a sunday night, or have to get up a 6am for work the next day. So if stadium gets moved to Sunday nights say goodbye to those racers as well.

3. Just b/c some of us want to race at our track or any of the other tracks that run on the same day doesn't mean we have switch schedules. So, if you want run with Nick in Lansing go right ahead, or in Ann Arbor, or Detroit or wherever your little heart desires. We won't be crying b/c you didn't race here or there or wherever. And we will still be open for everyone, b/c some of those guys that race in Lansing, Detroit, Ann Arbor or wherever don't always race their local track every weekend either. I think the work I'm looking for here is variety.

4. If I remeber correctly a wise man named Murphy once told me; "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The club has ran for 7 years on the current schedule w/o adverse effects on racer turnout, so why change something that works?

I know a lot more people that would not want the schedule changed vs. the few that do. Those are just my opinions, so take it how ever you like it.

I agree with Andy. the schedule is fine the way it is.

My reply:

1. Why cant the oval racers simply watch the race together with there oval racing freinds at the track? Additionaly I feel that our on-road racing would pick up because we would not have people that dont come because it cuts into there family and church time.

2. We would not switch stadiun as everyone knows that it cant be run on sunday night. The only switch would be oval and on-road.

3. The switch is to not only give our racers (the club) the chance to race at other tracks but to get more racers from out of town over here so that we can make some money to pay the bills.

4. I have been to Murphys and its not that nice. After the great summer we had I think that it is possable that we need to rethink alot of the things we have taken for granted in the past.


Originally posted by Phat Dakota
I vote that we DO NOT!!!!!!!!! change the schedule. Why??

1. Oval is on Saturday for a simple reason, NASCAR races are held on Sundays and those guys who race oval generally are nascar fans and want to watch the race. SO, if we switch oval to Sunday say goodbye to our oval racers.

2. Stadium CAN NOT be run on Sunday nights!! How many of you with children want to be up until 12 or 1am on a sunday night, or have to get up a 6am for work the next day. So if stadium gets moved to Sunday nights say goodbye to those racers as well.

3. Just b/c some of us want to race at our track or any of the other tracks that run on the same day doesn't mean we have switch schedules. So, if you want run with Nick in Lansing go right ahead, or in Ann Arbor, or Detroit or wherever your little heart desires. We won't be crying b/c you didn't race here or there or wherever. And we will still be open for everyone, b/c some of those guys that race in Lansing, Detroit, Ann Arbor or wherever don't always race their local track every weekend either. I think the work I'm looking for here is variety.

4. If I remeber correctly a wise man named Murphy once told me; "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The club has ran for 7 years on the current schedule w/o adverse effects on racer turnout, so why change something that works?

I know a lot more people that would not want the schedule changed vs. the few that do. Those are just my opinions, so take it how ever you like it.

Originally posted by nitrorod
My reply:

1. Why cant the oval racers simply watch the race together with there oval racing freinds at the track? Additionaly I feel that our on-road racing would pick up because we would not have people that dont come because it cuts into there family and church time.

2. We would not switch stadiun as everyone knows that it cant be run on sunday night. The only switch would be oval and on-road.

3. The switch is to not only give our racers (the club) the chance to race at other tracks but to get more racers from out of town over here so that we can make some money to pay the bills.

4. I have been to Murphys and its not that nice. After the great summer we had I think that it is possable that we need to rethink alot of the things we have taken for granted in the past. Hi guys it?s been a long summer for me working on my house. That?s why I have not been racing. I see your thinking about changing the race time to make it easy for you to race at other tracks but I think you lose more racers if you do change the on road and nascar times. I just wondering how many racers from detroit,ann arbor,lansing did you get on saturdays this summer in front of rider?s . I know I only stop out two or three times but I saw the same faces there and not to many new ones. So what makes you think that by changing the schedule this will change. AND for all of us who do have families racing all day Saturday is not cool the handcuffs will be on for sure. PS if my spelling and grammarrr is not correct tuff sh#t do not read my POSTs. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Okay, here's my thoughts for what it's worth....

As Andy stated, the schedule were running is the same schedule that's been used in Grand Rapids for about ten years now if you include what Rivertown Racers ran years ago. I'm aware that Lansing is running on the same days and times as we are, however... if Nick thought it was going to be a problem then why didn't he reverse the days? I believe if you ask him, his answer might possibly be that it wouldn't work the other way. (yes, please call the Hobby Hub at 517-351-5843 and ask for yourself) I certainly don't think it was done to "steal" our racers! Racers want variety and will go wherever they want, not to mention winter weather plays a part in it as well. I have also been to many other clubs/tracks websites from California to New York and noticed that they run the same as we do. I Guess there must be a reason for that.

But, as I wrote in the letter, it'll go to a vote by members and racers. Let them be the ones that make the final decision. I don't believe the clubs board should be the one to make that choice.

I agree with you john there must be a reason way everybody runs the same day.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Originally posted by nitrorod
My reply:

1. Why cant the oval racers simply watch the race together with there oval racing freinds at the track? Additionaly I feel that our on-road racing would pick up because we would not have people that dont come because it cuts into there family and church time. We used to visit a track down south (I can't remember the name, but Butch could) anyway, they ran oval on Sundays and I seem to remember everybody sitting around watching NASCAR on TV and not taking care of what they came for. And when the final 10 or so laps were being run, everybody would huddle around that same TV. Any idea of how long it takes to finish a NASCAR race when there's a crash in those last few laps??

Moral to this story.....
That track I'm talking about is closed and long gone!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nitrorod
[B]My reply:

1. Why cant the oval racers simply watch the race together with there oval racing freinds at the track? Additionaly I feel that our on-road racing would pick up because we would not have people that dont come because it cuts into there family and church time.

I heard that nitrorod going to buy the nascar guy a 72" big screen tv for the vote haha just jokeing:devil: :devil: :devil:

What if we look at starting on-road later on sunday to help people have time to get there?

Originally posted by John Warner
We used to visit a track down south (I can't remember the name, but Butch could) anyway, they ran oval on Sundays and I seem to remember everybody sitting around watching NASCAR on TV and not taking care of what they came for. And when the final 10 or so laps were being run, everybody would huddle around that same TV. Any idea of how long it takes to finish a NASCAR race when there's a crash in those last few laps??

Moral to this story.....
That track I'm talking about is closed and long gone!

Originally posted by nitrorod
My reply: Additionaly I feel that our on-road racing would pick up because we would not have people that dont come because it cuts into there family and church time. Eileen want's to know if you are insinuating that oval racers don't have family's or go to Church?????

If we got a big screen at the track I would never need to leave.

Originally posted by ric-o'-shea
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nitrorod
[B]My reply:

1. Why cant the oval racers simply watch the race together with there oval racing freinds at the track? Additionaly I feel that our on-road racing would pick up because we would not have people that dont come because it cuts into there family and church time.

I heard that nitrorod going to buy the nascar guy a 72" big screen tv for the vote haha just jokeing:devil: :devil: :devil:

Originally posted by nitrorod
What if we look at starting on-road later on sunday to help people have time to get there? Starting it later, means finishing later and then we're back to people getting home later. Remember.... they have to get up and go to work the following morning!

SO what's up nobody has to work today:eek: :eek: later is not better.

Originally posted by ric-o'-shea
SO what's up nobody has to work today:eek: :eek: Most everybody has computers where they work!

John - I think Nick should change his schedule for Lansing. If he did road-course on Saturday's and Oval on Sunday's, he might increase his attendance. Your Saturday oval guys may want to also race Sunday in Lansing. As for us East Sider road course guys, we could support Larry's on Friday, Lansing on Saturday and Toledo on Sunday. Especially between now and Cleveland. After that, I'll bet not many road course guys will do the 3 day a week thing.

Oh... I almost forgot. I don't think you'll get too many of us East Siders to come to your weekly races. Don't all of the bars close at 10:30 p.m. on the West Side? That may have something to do with it?

I know that john but my boss is sleeping. Iwork 3RD shift

Excellent point Keith... And as a matter of fact, I totally agree with you. Now we just have to convince Nick! Did I mention to everyone that Nick's phone number is... 517-351-5843????

:thumbsup: sounds good to me!

1. Why cant the oval racers simply watch the race together with there oval racing freinds at the track? Additionaly I feel that our on-road racing would pick up because we would not have people that dont come because it cuts into there family and church time.


3. The switch is to not only give our racers (the club) the chance to race at other tracks but to get more racers from out of town over here so that we can make some money to pay the bills.

I totally agree with John on the Sunday Oval thing. Does anyone remeber what happened at the CRL race when we had the Daytona 500 on?????? Gee let me think, it was about 75 guys huddled around three tv's for the last 50 laps. If I remember right also there was an hour or so break for that as well. And having both Stadium and Road-course on the same day is a truly bad idea. Here's a hypothetical situation for you. Say we do get more racers for on-road saturday, about 50-60 racers total. that means the races will take longer to get done. I remeber on Lousma when we would get that many and not be done until 8pm or later. Now try and tell 60-70 guys that are running stadium that they have to wait until 8pm or later to practice and races won't start until 8:30-9:00. Can you imagine what time we would get done?? It would be 2-3am before the last race was over, and that means it would be 3:30-4am when the last person left the track. Do you want to be that person? and then be back at the track at 9am to let the oval guys in, oh wait you wouldn't have to do that b/c there wouldn't be any oval racers to let in b/c they would stay home.

It's too big of a risk to completely change our schedule in hopes of trying to get a few more on-road racers, plain and simple. We would lose ten times the number of people we would gain. And I don't know why you can't see that. I think your just peeing into the wind here and it's all blowing back into your face. Give it up please!

And one last thing, even though the last 2 times I've been to church were b/c of weddings, I know for a fact they don't hold services on Sundays only.

I agre with Hammie... road course: Fri Larry's, sat Lansing (Bay City for 1/12th scale at beer at night), sun Toledo/G.R (and recovery). Oval Sat G.R, Sun Lansing, possibly Larry's once a month... gee, now only if you guys can make this work... I'd love to put at least 20-30 thousand miles on the old Cavie this winter...

Here I have to agree with Phat Dakota, if you add in the additional racers would they be willing to say that at 4 or 5 pm no matte what that’s the end of there time or start early enough not to run late. That way the Stadium racers get to start on time. At the old Rivertown, that was a big problem. It was an even bigger issue when we had 80+ stadium racers. It’s a touchy issue when stadium racers come in and its supposed to be there time and the racers before them are not done.

Looking at the attendance I saw last year there is not one group that’s massively bigger than the other, so it takes all of us to keep it going and enough money flowing in to pay the bills. What happened at the old Rivertown was the group bringing in the money constantly got the short stick. When you packed 80+ stadium racers in and did not get them started in time because the group before them never got done on time, it just got ugly. I hope never to see that kind of mess again.

John, you’re doing a great job! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by John Warner
Eileen want's to know if you are insinuating that oval racers don't have family's or go to Church?????
If you ask me, which you did'nt, but if you did I would say that a question like that is just plain ridicules.

I am really looking forward to running on road this year, BUT if you run on road on saturday I will not be able to make it. I have other commitments on Saturday. And even if I did'nt I still would not race there on saturday I would go to RnL on saturday because I am primarily an off-road racer. I also don't buy the variety angle BECAUSE IT IS ALL CARPET. Ozite is Ozite is Ozite there is not much variety to carpet racing. Sure you can race with different guys. But it has been my experience that the racing is better when you race with the same group of guys and everybody gets used to how everybody else races. If you want more racers I think you should market more in this area to get racers. I don't think that changing days will bring too many people from other areas that are too far away. Why would anybody drive 100 miles to race carpet if they can drive 20 miles to race carpet. Heck the people in this club started to raise a stink when I mentioned that a building could be built in West Olive to race in. Nobody in g.l.r.c. even wants to drive that far when they can race in Grand Rapids. and that is a shorter drive than the guys from lansing or detroit would have to come to grand rapids.

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