I'll get the pics from the first two mars races developed friday night so I can bring them to the track on sat.

And as far as a new topic to bash each other about what do you think is the best traction compound and why??
I like what the activator for CA glue does to off-road tires. Simple green is the best to restore tires to original tackyness and the FX traction compund is probably the longest lasting, and most potent smelling;)

You running with us this weekend Andy?

Originally posted by Phat Dakota
And as far as a new topic to bash each other about what do you think is the best traction compound and why??
I like what the activator for CA glue does to off-road tires. Simple green is the best to restore tires to original tackyness and the FX traction compund is probably the longest lasting, and most potent smelling;)
Well lets see, I like Paragon Ground Effects which is what I currently use. I know there are many different kinds and have used some. This product seems to work well for me on carpet and asphalt surfaces. It was specifically formulated and each ingredient performing a specific purpose,and what they are i'm not sure other than giving you traction. This is a product that you really need to experiment with depending on track conditions, layout and your equipment.

Traction compounds?? Hummmm..... well, let's see my favorite for foams outdoors is suntan lotion. Or is it suntan oil, I can't remember!! But anyway, it's one of the two!! And I think it needs to have a low SPF rating to be most effective too.

Originally posted by knapster

Well lets see, I like Paragon Ground Effects which is what I currently use.

Gee Fred, you mean you're NOT using the wonderful Trinity FX stuff?? Shame on YOU. You'll probably be getting a nasty letter from your Daddy Ernie!!

:mad:

Originally posted by John Warner


Gee Fred, you mean you're NOT using the wonderful Trinity FX stuff?? Shame on YOU. You'll probably be getting a nasty letter from your Daddy Ernie!!

Now I'm cracking up.

I think I seen Butch use suntan loation on his sedan. That was with rubber tires. He told me a couple others that they used back in the day but I dont remember what they were. I am sure MR.Warner knows of a few old time secrets he could share. After all he had to put oil on the hood of his car to keep the hackmatic from busting him up to bad.:lol: :lol:

Watch out with the back in the day comment Dave. I may not be as seasoned as Butch and John but spf30 suntan lotion helped propell me of all people to a 6th place finish in the midwest oval championships held in Marshaltown, Iowa back in 1994. And it is by far the absolute best thing to use for on-road rubber tires.:thumbsup:

Watch out for the FrankinLosi!!!!

Hey J-Rod, my dial up may be a little slow or it may just be me, but weren't you going to post some pictures of the Canton race from 3 WEEKS AGO? Sounds like the DSL is a little slow too. My dial up seems to keep up just fine thank you... :devil:


Almost forgot... Until you can convince the powers that be to put cable modem access in my area, I'll be sticking with my nice, cheap, inexpensive dial up service.

God Andy 94 you really make me feel like a rookie now I have only been racing since 97. You have got to get a picture of the frankenlosi with the body on it, it is not the same without the body. :eek:

97 how about me I have been racing since 01...

Originally posted by nitrorod
97 how about me I have been racing since 01...

Geeze, I'm practiclly an AARP member then in racing terms, I started in 87. By the nineties I had my first rack of titles already going. But alas some things do not seem to get better with age.

Mike Who misses the days when you only needed 3 batteries, 2 sets of tires and a stock motor for each season.....

Gee, I must be older than I remember because I started in the late 70's early 80's!!!

Anybody seen my cane???

Hey Mike what titles do you hold?

Originally posted by kickyfast
Mike Who misses the days when you only needed 3 batteries, 2 sets of tires and a stock motor for each season.....

Oh, Yeah..... SCE's, SCRC's, yellow or red labels. Those were the days!! Don't forget about putting those cells in ice, and zapping them with your full sized car battery. Or locking the shafts and twisting the arms to get a little more timing. Okay, enough of that, it's back to the real RC world... Mega dollars in motors, batteries, tires, chargers, tools and the list could go on forever!

Originally posted by nitrorod
Hey Mike what titles do you hold?

Grand poobah of nostolgia.... at only age 26....

But seriously, awhile back when redoing my garage I found my trophys'. Sniff, brings a tear to ones eye. Some of the more notable ones (off the top of my head)

91 Mars truck champion (woohoo TQed and won darn near every race except GR, my freakin home track)
early 90s something ROAR state champ trucks (mod trucks were rained out, by the way if anybody has this issue of rev up I would be very interested in seeing it)
ROAR region 5 (or maybe it was still 3 back then) on-road 1/10th scale. I finished second but it was notable because it got me a slot at the worlds in Germany.
City champs a few to many years in a row. I don't really consider this one too important. Its not exactly sanctioned.
North american truck champ (again sounds fishy)
Tamiya touring car challange thingy, stock touring. Big kewl race in detroit. A long story for this one involving me being a little to literal in my rules interpatations and running a mechanical speed control, in a FWD car....

Blah blah blah... some other various crap some which mean something others that really hold no water. (every one and there uncle seemed like they were holding some kinda title race back then. Oh yeah did I mention, oh never mind) I will always regret getting out of RC for so long. I quit when I was just starting to get factory help. Perhaps with a little luck I could have attained ultra goober status along with my other race chums of the day Chris Mockerman, and Jeff Brown. But I will never no 'eh?

Mike

All hail the Grand Poobah!!!

What race was that huge easy up at and where is that track? Tha looks awsome!

Originally posted by KawadaKid
All hail the Grand Poobah!!!

What race was that huge easy up at and where is that track? Tha looks awsome!

Ummmm, weren't you there? I specificly recall you stripping out numerous gears at that track... (Hint: it involves an HPI race)

Mike

Realy, it doesnt look like it man?

Originally posted by John Warner


Those were the days!! Don't forget about putting those cells in ice, and zapping them with your full sized car battery.

My personall favorite is squirting a bunch of toothpaste in a jar of water and then dipping your running motor in it. And the always kewl thing at hotel races of putting your batterys in a bag and charging them in the toilet to keep them coo. Oh and BTW the toilet also worked great for breaking in motors...

Mike Why back when I was younger we expected brushes to last months not minutes! Long live the parma blue can stockers!

ahh, yes, now i see it.

Originally posted by KawadaKid
Realy, it doesnt look like it man?

Maybe this will help...

http://www.teamtrinity.com/races/images/dsc00005.jpg

http://www.teamtrinity.com/races/fuelnats.html

Mike

You oldtimers:rolleyes: :roll: :wave:

Well, Thank you Ken... I resemble that remark!!

Originally posted by psycho02
You oldtimers:rolleyes: :roll: :wave:

After reading all of the years that you guys started to race. I think I will have to put the rookie strip back on my car.:roll: :lol:

Yes Jerrod, I will be racing this saturday all day and night. I will be running the RC10T I bought off of Eric this past winter. Not having anything spring and piston wise for the shocks I opted for the Losi shocks I bought off of Dave at the Litchfield Mars race. I also threw on the 5 degree front blocks to make sure it would turn, and bolted on a set of foams for good measures. I think Jim York will also be racing this weekend with us.

And if Jim gets there before I do don't think that I changed my truck any, he bought a nice shiny red 1998 4wd Dodge Dakota last week.

And Ken, Just to make you feel more like a rookie I actually started racing in 1989 with a Tamiya King Cab and won the beginner class at Real R/c Raceway in Kansas City, MO. That track is now one of the best 1/8th scale off-raod tracks in the midwest. And just like Mike I raced basically non-stop until I stopped racing in 1995 for 5 years. I would have loved to race during that time but was in college and the nearest track was almost a 2 hour drive away. So when I moved up here to GR in 2000 the first thing I did was find the nearest hobby shop and track, and the rest they say is history.

I'll never forget the look on John's face when he first saw my truck and that it had a V8 in it, it was something like this -->:eek: :eek:

Well.... Now that I'm the proud owner of nice new three run T3, I guess I'll have to throw some electronics in it and join you guy's. J-Rod is nice enough to loan me some wiener dudes, but I'm thinking that maybe a set of foams would work a little better!! Me, driving a truck this weekend?? What's the RC world coming too??

Trucks are the easiest thing to drive...it's like plowing snow...but it's the front end that plows in the turns...:D

Lets see here...I started racing back in 1988 (14 years old) with a Tamiya Falcon in Michigan Center. The track was located behind Hobby World on Page Avenue. I can remember having all of my batteries charged before a race, since they had little power to offer, and generators were non-existent to the casual rc racer. I also remember running my RC10 with Schumacher two-row pins, on three piece wheels. Those things were harder than rock. Those were the days...


Originally posted by John Warner
Well.... Now that I'm the proud owner of nice new three run T3, I guess I'll have to throw some electronics in it and join you guy's. J-Rod is nice enough to loan me some wiener dudes, but I'm thinking that maybe a set of foams would work a little better!! Me, driving a truck this weekend?? What's the RC world coming too??

He called Chris Mockerman, and Jeff Brown "goobers" :-)

lets see, i started in 1996 with an hpi RS4 mini. It was hard trying to keep up with the sedan guys with my ity bity wheels. I dont even want to know what my gear ratio was. Ofcoarse this was all still back when Tyrone ran the races by hand. listen to me! back when? You guys started racing with those clicker things where ever racer had a counter right?

Steven Stewart,
GS Racing Team

Back at Hobby World we only had the "clicker" counters. It was always a treat at nighttime, when you'd be watching a friend, but scoring for someone else. All of a sudden you'd think your car went by, so you'd click the clicker for a lap. However, many a time we all made mistakes, and some guys who would have finished 3rd or lower would have about 3-4 more laps than the victor. It was too funny.

Originally posted by KawadaKid
lets see, i started in 1996 with an hpi RS4 mini. It was hard trying to keep up with the sedan guys with my ity bity wheels. I dont even want to know what my gear ratio was. Ofcoarse this was all still back when Tyrone ran the races by hand. listen to me! back when? You guys started racing with those clicker things where ever racer had a counter right?

Steven Stewart,
GS Racing Team

All these fond memories are really getting me... sniff, sniff. I can't help but think fondly of an old DeKornes warehouse, and the back room where everyone cleaned their motors, and the fumes from the cleaner.... and then nothing. A complete blank. Hmmmmm....

But you've got to agree that the new electric motors are better. They don't slip out of your hands as badly as the old ones did. You'd just be standing there with a new motor, and Whoops! Odd how they always landed on the shaft....:D

I guess I just had better respect how good I have it with all this modern technology that we have now and be thankful that I did'nt have to go through the "dark ages" of r/c racing.:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

Yeah no Doubt!

And this could be pretty scary with John running truck this weekend:eek: And you better put foams on that truck in order to have at least some steering John:dude:

How about the days of running SC, SCR and SCE batteries? I don't know how many times I overcharged those darn things. I used a ac/dc charger, and would peak them with the 7-cell option selected. I had to put them in the freezer a few times because I overcharged them. The heatshrink could take a lot more abuse back then I think.

Oh, do you remember running the Team Losi Revolution motors? I loved those things. Back then I hardly ever changed brushes. I think the most important thing back then was to make sure your slipper balls were lubed properly (on the RC10). I also remember tearing through sooo many idler gears too. The list goes on and on for me....and on...

Originally posted by Fred B
He called Chris Mockerman, and Jeff Brown "goobers" :-)

Yes, the fond days before I had my own wheels. Sleeping on Chris's couch so I could ride down with him and his dad. To be young and foolish again. And lets not forget my hero Mr. Brown. I use to listen to him in awe of his motor knowledge.

Mike, Goober wannabe :)

Originally posted by DaRoot'e'yeah
They don't slip out of your hands as badly as the old ones did. You'd just be standing there with a new motor, and Whoops! Odd how they always landed on the shaft....:D

Oh yeah, the original rebuildable stock motors. Of course everyonce in awhile they would throw you a curve and use a different colored epoxy... Not that I condone this kind of action mind you....

Mike

Originally posted by Aaron Bomia
I think the most important thing back then was to make sure your slipper balls were lubed properly (on the RC10). I also remember tearing through sooo many idler gears too. The list goes on and on for me....and on...

So lets see the hands of everyone that remembers chain drives! My RC10 had one. And not to be outdone there was the trackmaster belt drives.

Mike

Originally posted by Aaron Bomia
Oh, do you remember running the Team Losi Revolution motors? I loved those things.

I was a Twister man myself. IIRC they were also Mockermans "first" sponsor. I was sooooo jealous (but happy for Chris). I think I may still have a juniors choice can around somewhere. For awhile Ted McCarthy was hooking me up with CAM motors too.


Mike

Hey Mike I also heard a legendary tale about a certain guy who went to school wearing a trench coat :rolleyes: full of rc10 parts and was building the rc10 in school mind you to race later that day.:rolleyes: :eek: what do you have to say about that story?hmmmmmmmm

Geez Aaron, you were breaking Associated cars even back then??:D
Anyone remember Black Magic motors or B&R Motorworks??? How about Parma's "team matched" batteries, where the factory drivers nuked them once in their cars, took them apart and resold them??? Man, I've been racing too long!!:D

Originally posted by psycho02
I guess I just had better respect how good I have it with all this modern technology that we have now and be thankful that I did'nt have to go through the "dark ages" of r/c racing.
I with you on that one.

On the scoring, I think I can do you one better. When I started racing the MART (a predecessor to the MARS series) We raced, marshalled and then scored. Scoring was you with a pencil and two stopwatches mounted on a piece of plastic. When the cars came by you wrote down the time under the lap.

haha, u built a car in school mike? thats great! lol, i cant wait till im older and im telling all the newbies about the revolution when personal transponders came in. That will be fun.

Steven S.

Originally posted by NTwigs
Geez Aaron, you were breaking Associated cars even back then??:D
Anyone remember Black Magic motors or B&R Motorworks???

Yup I remember them. I never remember black magic getting much recognition outside of drag, and truck pulling motors. Wasn't B&R the guys who put the one race specials, the 44 magnum (44 freakin degrees of timeing!) and the 36 degree bullet? I remember they were stinkin fast but would destroy themselves within a weak or two.

Mike

Hey johny, how about a ride on saturday?

Originally posted by psycho02
what do you have to say about that story?hmmmmmmmm

Only that I would do it again in the name of HOBBY! At least Dan never told you about the RC bodies I would paint in art class.... Nothin like a laquer high to start out your day.

Mike

Oooohhhhhh yeah he told me I was just saving those stories.

Yo! J-Glo! running nitro foam or rubber
this weekend?

Originally posted by kickyfast


Only that I would do it again in the name of HOBBY! At least Dan never told you about the RC bodies I would paint in art class.... Nothin like a laquer high to start out your day.

Mike

Heh, what brain cells. And after painting a body in class, the whole class could blow their nose and call it art. Amazing the paint you can get in one of those suckers.

And as for Laquer High, I recall a strange look on the teachers face when we told that we really DID NOT want to open a window. It made english class afterwards very interesting...... :eek: