Well I don’t know if the downfall of nitro in my mind is do to my ill handling or if it is the mess of nitro. The way I look at it is that the only benefit to nitro is the longer mains. If you look at it an electric car will turn just as many laps as a nitro. Nitro does go faster but seem to be less on consistency if you ask me. Nitro does seem to break more parts also and have less tire life. Don’t get me wrong I love the speed that the nitro car has but am almost afraid to spool it up because I don’t want to fix it. As far as my cars handling it is close but not quite there I seem to have a high speed push. The old fluid vs. Ball diff topic I see as this your full size car does not use fluid to control differentials but gears just like a ball diff. It is also easy to change the friction just the turn of the wrench not the filling of oil. So anyone want a NTC3?

This hobbytalk thing is a hassel!!! I cant even use my own hotmail account!grrr!:mad:

Yeah, on the size tracks we run there isn't much difference between nitro and electric. The big sell for me is that I don't have to carry much to the track to be self-sufficient (along with the 'unlimited' run time). I don't have to carry batteries, cut motors, change brushes, charge batteries, carry a charger, power supply, etc. :) I'm too lazy to race electric outside for sure. haha!

High speed push as in push through sweepers, or push exiting all turns?

-Rich



Originally posted by nitrorod
Well I don’t know if the downfall of nitro in my mind is do to my ill handling or if it is the mess of nitro. The way I look at it is that the only benefit to nitro is the longer mains. If you look at it an electric car will turn just as many laps as a nitro. Nitro does go faster but seem to be less on consistency if you ask me. Nitro does seem to break more parts also and have less tire life. Don’t get me wrong I love the speed that the nitro car has but am almost afraid to spool it up because I don’t want to fix it. As far as my cars handling it is close but not quite there I seem to have a high speed push. The old fluid vs. Ball diff topic I see as this your full size car does not use fluid to control differentials but gears just like a ball diff. It is also easy to change the friction just the turn of the wrench not the filling of oil. So anyone want a NTC3?

If you are having on-power push u might want to try one degree toe out in the front.

Yeah the push is in the sweeper for the most part.

U should be happy! most guys would love to have there car push! Also try a little looser on the front diff. That might free it up some. you should really just ask Mike for a setup. He has his NTC3 hooked up.

ooooh, JP Modified MT-12......

Yayyy! i just ordered my new car!! Yayyy!!!!
Lots of fioroni Foams coming too!

J-rod, Sorry to hear that you may be getting out of nitro. I will have to agree with Steven though, gear diff's, gear diff's, gear diff's. Also belts seem to be the way to go.

Oh boy, I can't believe you're saying that! Gear diffs and belts? Man, talk about old school!! Hey Fred... take a look underneath your GMC truck and see if you have a belt or a driveshaft putting the power to the ground.

I suppose you'd put nylon strings on your electric guitar too wouldn't you????

:dude: :wave: :rolleyes:

Hey Steven...

Did you get some of those macaroni fioroni foams for everybody, or just you and I???

Originally posted by KawadaKid
Yayyy! i just ordered my new car!! Yayyy!!!!
Lots of fioroni Foams coming too!

Originally posted by knapster
I will have to agree with Steven though, gear diff's, gear diff's, gear diff's. Also belts seem to be the way to go.

:lol: This is kinda amusing. And what car have you all been chasing... I haven't seen any belts or gear diffs on Slaughters car. Maybe he just hides em.....:lol:

Originally posted by John Warner
Man, talk about old school!! Hey Fred... take a look underneath your GMC truck and see if you have a belt or a driveshaft putting the power to the ground.

I suppose you'd put nylon strings on your electric guitar too wouldn't you????

Well I would look underneath but my gut won't allow me and no there not nylon there cat gut.
Freddie Provetti

Originally posted by DaRoot'e'yeah


:lol: This is kinda amusing. And what car have you all been chasing... I haven't seen any belts or gear diffs on Slaughters car. Maybe he just hides em.....:lol:
It is amusing thats why we say it. I'm looking to close the gap on Mike now.

No johny, just me, maybe u. lol, u will have to be extra nice thow!

Mr. Warner. With out belts running the important parts on you engine in your Ford truck. I dont belive you would be able to make it to Grand Rapid to play with your TC3.

As far as belts go. Look at some of the Harley drag bikes they are belt driven, not to metion how fast they are.:wave:

the man has a point.

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wow, that must have taken a while.

Hey Bill I don't think the fact that Mike is driving a shaft or belt driven car really has alot to do with it. I think Mike could probably drive a brick with wheels and they might still have a problem catching up with him.:eek: :thumbsup: :eek: :wave:

Good point, well not really!! If I recall. that single belt ONLY drives the accessories, (i.e., fan, A/C compressor, alternator & water pump) NOT the vehicle. The truck would run just fine without the belt. In fact, it would even produce MORE horsepower because of less drag on the engine. Insofar as Harley Davidsons are concerned, they are if memory serves me correct only a single wheel drive, not four. And again if you'd check a little closer on those drag bikes, you'll notice that only the PRIMARY uses a belt, the final drive is a chain!!

Originally posted by bmxer08
Mr. Warner. With out belts running the important parts on you engine in your Ford truck. I dont belive you would be able to make it to Grand Rapid to play with your TC3.

As far as belts go. Look at some of the Harley drag bikes they are belt driven, not to metion how fast they are.:wave:

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Back at ya!!

Originally posted by John Warner

again if you'd check a little closer on those drag bikes, you'll notice that only the PRIMARY uses a belt, the final drive is a chain!!

I once had a bike with a drive shaft and prefer one with a belt or chain any day. Notice that the final drive is a chain which is more like a belt.

John, when was the last time u saw one of us break a belt?(knock on wood)

Steven, I'll take the liberty of answering that for John. Sense I've been racing I only broke one. John in on his second drive shaft this season..

Yeah, warpage was it?

Gee Steven, what a short memory you have!! Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it at the end of our indoor season when we were all wandering around the parking lot at the skating rink looking for your belt that kept coming off????

Oh, and Mr. Provetti Sir...
I can't wait to see what kind of belt driven car your gonna run when we go back indoors, since your so anti-shaft!!

Originally posted by KawadaKid
John, when was the last time u saw one of us break a belt?(knock on wood)

Nope, not warpage, it was defective from the factory. The pin was crooked.

Originally posted by KawadaKid
Yeah, warpage was it?


Proud member of team AARP
Racing for today because we may not be here tomorrow!!

Man, this is getting ugly. If only people could keep their cars running as long as this topic :devil:

And as for the shaft/belt argument on the real things, a chain might be fine for a bike, but I wouldn't give you a dime for one on a quad or a three-wheeler. My old Yamaha never gave me abit of trouble.

Man, that gets me to thinking. I haven't ripped up the yard in awhile....:devil:

later.............

No Bill, on the contrary ... it's just getting to be fun! After all, what else are we supposed to do when we're not racing????

Proud member of team AARP
Racing for today, because we may not be here tomorrow!

Man, i didnt break the belt thow! Besides, that was caused by stupid little pebbles getting in the pulleys.

Originally posted by John Warner
Gee Steven, what a short memory you have!! Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it at the end of our indoor season when we were all wandering around the parking lot at the skating rink looking for your belt that kept coming off????

Oh, and Mr. Provetti Sir...
I can't wait to see what kind of belt driven car your gonna run when we go back indoors, since your so anti-shaft!!

Oh yeah.............., oh yeah..........., well, you............, and.........., cause........., Oh nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soooooo, what's going to happen if one of those pesky little pebbles gets into one of your pullys (which you have many of) at, ohhhhh let's say a big race somewhere??? Wouldn't ever happen to a shaft drive car! Now, our spur gears are a horse of the same color!

Originally posted by KawadaKid
Man, i didnt break the belt thow! Besides, that was caused by stupid little pebbles getting in the pulleys.

Proud member of team AARP
Racing for today, because we may not be here tomorrow!

Freddie..... Dude, you're killing me with that last post of yours!! I haven't stopped laughing for the last five minutes, and my jaw is getting sore!!


But, back to the indoor car you'll be driving..... I guess you could take that Mugen motor off your Defex, and replace it with a P2K!!

;)

Well, i got a belt tensioner, and no problem since i adjusted it properly.

i need to get my number of posts up!

I can't believe you guys are arguing over the benifits of belts vs. shafts... I mean come on! Without a belt how would Fred keep his pants up?!:devil: Nobody wants to see THAT shaft!!! Whats worse is you're talking about a Trinity product...TRINITY!!! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaok thats enough...


:devil: :lol: :devil:

Originally posted by John Warner
But, back to the indoor car you'll be driving..... I guess you could take that Mugen motor off your Defex, and replace it with a P2K!!

If I were to do something like that it would'nt be a P2K, Oh no, for sure it would be a Trinity 19 turn Chameleon.

Is this what freds pit area will look like for the night race this weekend? http://www.teamtrinity.com/races/images/dsc00004.jpg

Hey Jerrod you think you made that picture big enough???? Downsize it man!!!!!!!Takes too long to download!!!!!




:eek: :o :eek:

Not my fault you have dial-up.....:cry:

I just found the most Kick A$$ body to get for my micro car for this winter, If we race them of course.:D :roll:

Andy that is a sweet body. Now that you mentioned the micro you have really confused me. The topic of belt versis shaft.The micro is neither is it.I think it is more in the line of direct drive.:wave:

You are correct, the brp micros are direct drive. and along the lines of the crying that is going on in the belt vs. shaft argument. Does it really matter which is better? you guys are driving 1-1/2hp. cars that weigh at most like 5lbs. That would be the equivilant of my Dakota having over 900hp! :eek: I think the argument should be which traction compund is the best because the disadvantage of one over the other can be overcome with a quick blip of the gas. But to throw in my .02$ I like the belt b/c it gives you a degree of drag brake that can be adjusted biasly front or back depending on how tight you have the side belt (more front drag brake when tighter) or rear belt (more rear brakes when tighter).:cool:

andy, got those pics from mars yet?

Sweet Body!

That has to be the best body for a micro I have seen yet.

I think that is Josh's car. I don't imagine he fit that double-wide EZ-up in his car. ;)

-Rich


Originally posted by nitrorod
Is this what freds pit area will look like for the night race this weekend?

Thanks Andy, That was a Phat Answer. I believe this would be a good place to leave that subject and move on to something else, like where can I get one of those cool Trinity canopies?

Fred just call you buddy Freddie Spaghetti Provetti:wave:

I already did that and I don't know!