i got the rollout egation of the crc site its

pinion x tire dia x 3.14 / spur = rollout

28 x 1.800 x 3.14 = 158.256 / 98 = 1.614

Will the Futaba 9450 digital servo fit into a RC12L3 without any modifications?

Hey Ray,
Looks like you have a new teammate. Jake is really excited to be running the Speed 8 and X-20 bodies. With the Jaco double pinks and the way the Speed 8 plants the car we can't wait to get the Nitro out of our blood and start getting the cobwebs out. Ultra goes to Sundays 1st weekend in Sept and the fun begins.

Dean

Jake is really excited to be running the Speed 8 and X-20 bodies.


Parma has now designed three killer bodies and two have won National Championships already. The 235mm Proton and the EXP Speed 8. The X20 will be on a lot of touring cars come this years Champs I am thinking and hoping!!!

Great choice!!!
Ray

p.s. Just two more Nitro races for me. Got the NTC3 absolutley dialed last time out!!! But I too am jonesing for some carpet now!!!!

Dean - What is the latest on the trip to Minnesota? You and anyone going? I have a regional championship scheduled that weekend so I can't make it. Wish they would have left it at the end of Oct.

David,
Jake and I are going. AE has not decided yet. Follows the World's pretty close. It's gonna be tough on us. Looks like a pretty good turnout from the Ultra gang. Rob Love, Doseck, Hinshaw, Pulfer, Ian, Woody and a couple others.

We like the track but as usual Greg Amendola has his head you know where. If he doesn't single handedly kill this great series I'll be surprised.

Hope to see you there.

I thought Greg was out of the picture. If he is still involved, I think you are right. It is going to be tough on somebody. By the way, I still don't have the award I earned last year.

guys: Let's not jump on Greg A too hard. I have been assured by the track owner that Greg had nothing to do with the race or the date. Greg is merely a USTC official. From what I read on TTT, Greg can't even be @ Oktoberfast because of the date. If we're gonna piss and moan, I feel we should direct it at the track itself. Greg does do quite a bit of work for the USTC each year, and I personally appreciate it.:devil:

I'm also pretty sure at this point I'm not gonna make it. It would take a minor miracle for me to get there due to issues beyond my control. It's not 100% outta the picture, but it's doubtful.

Well, I don't, Ian. This is the 3rd year in a row that the awards are over due.

The trophy delay is unacceptable, but what I was referring to was the lack of insight displayed in scheduling Oktoberfast right on top of the Fuel Sedan Worlds. Greg had nothing to do with scheduling.

My real question is, What other big On-Road races did Oktoberfast have to be scheduled around? The only big On-Road event I know of being scheduled anywhere near the middle of October is THE WORLDS!!:devil:

Ian, there is more to it than "BIG" on road races. I am a regional director in ROAR, as you know, and I must be at the regional events we schedule in my region. We scheduled a regional for nitro 1/8 & 1/10 open cars in Edison NJ that same weekend. We did that 6 months ago. It has been on the website for several months, so it isn't like we have kept it a secret. It is obvious they don't consider other racing. Walter Henderson already mentioned the Worlds race as soon as they announced their date. There was a lot of complaining in your area, the guys that race out of Ultra. I guess 4 or 5 of you are going to suck it up and go anyway, but I don't think you will be ready. There will be mental burnout from the Worlds. But that won't affect you (hahaha). Why don't you guys get Bud Bartos to sponsor you at Ultra with "Bud's Halloween Classic" (bring back the old days), get that on the Triple Crown Schedule, and then we can race at a decent time at the end of Oct?

Ian, there was one time that I was involved in the Triple Crown. I single handedly obtained the awards and kept the points for the 97/98 season. The next thing I know, those guys that are now doing it came charging in and made it real tough on me. I was just getting started with ROAR, so I let this go and handled my region. This is my way of giving something back to the drivers and racing overall. But I had been there with scheduling and the like. They wouldn't listen to me then and there were problems. Now it continues just as before. All I can say is my region has almost doubled in membership since I took that on (366 to 680) and we have gone from 5 region champions to over 20 per year. Can they show growth like that? (that question is rhetorical) I just shake my head, because it doesn't have to be that way.

davidl: I agree that the scheduling is unfortunate, but the race was awarded to the TCHR facility and that was the date they set. To be perfectly honest, the only Ultra racer who might be affected by Oktoberfast being so close to the Worlds is Jacob. No one else going to Oktoberfast from Ultra will be running the Worlds. Most of us don't even have cars eligible for the Worlds classes.

I'm not going to get into ROAR bashing, as I appreciate what you do for the hobby and value your friendship. But the simple fact of the matter is that the USTC is a carpet roadcourse series, which in my opinion should remain completely separate from ROAR. The USTC crowd is predominately a 12th scale and electric touring foam-tire crowd, and they are the crowd that the schedule should be based around. In all honesty one could argue that your regional is scheduled too close to the Worlds as well.

I appreciate your dedication to ROAR, and wish that anybody else in the organization was as concerned about the hobby as you are, which is tragically not the case.

I agree that Oktoberfast's turnout will probably be fairly low, and that is unfortunate. But the debate at this point is moot, the host facility has made their decision, and the USTC would be unwise to pull their sanctioning of the event at this point.

The only thing I can recommend is that all the dates for the 2003-2004 season be set in stone by 1/1 of 2003 and then award the races to tracks that can accomodate that schedule. Of course at that point we're at the mercy of the other sanctioning bodies not to schedule a race too close to one of ours. I think the chances of zero conflict are virtually nil. :devil:

Please don't use my function with ROAR as supporting reasoning to disagree. ROAR is one of the reasons you get to race the way you do and I really feel strongly that point is not recognized at the level it deserves. Additionally, the World's event is not the same classes that we are running at our regional so there is no conflict as you implied.

You said something that I agree with regarding the schedule being firm and distributed by the first of each year. The problem is that there are still too many people who want power over the universe. Our universe is RC racing and we have that problem as well. Funny in that it always turns into a people problem and the ones that manage people the best will be the ones that have the most success. I have already described success, so I won't go into that again. By the way, I am done with this. I don't need to have the last word.

Anyone know when Ultra in Cincinatti and Y-City in Zanesville start racing and on what days?

Thanks,
Blake
www.2brainsdesign.com

Ultra starts racing Sunday's on Sept 8. Doors open at 9 racing starts at noon

Blake: SUNDAY, SUNDAY, SUNDAY!!!!!!!! Dean laid out the Ultra schedule perfectly, as far as I know, Mike Pulfer, Junior Norton, Eli Ezrow, Woody, Jake Delano, Rob Love, Favian Vega, Chris Doseck, and myself will be there just to name a few. ARE YOU IN?????

I'm trying like H3LL to get there! I am absolutely DYING to race! It has been TOO LONG!

Kick, scream , and claw your way free if you have to. It's gonna be a great day of racing. :devil:

Hey, where's everybody at? The thread is unusually dead.

CMW - you have wore us out. We are too tired to play on the computer.

WOOHOO! I will be at ULTRA this weekend! Right now I'm sure I'll race 1/12th scale stock. Maybe I'll run the Micro too :). I'll also try to have a few extra painted 1/12th bodies on hand if anyone wants/needs one painted :)

CMW - I hope you don't mind I'm probably going to pick your brain a bit when you get a chance. I'll have the black and purple lightning strike Rev2.

Thanks all and see you there!
Blake
www.2brainsdesign.com

Just wanted to mention that our members and racers are doing their part to resurrect 1/12 scale racing this upcoming indoor season. We've even gone to the extent of making 1/12 scale racing mandatory (just kidding of course) But I think you get the picture. It's all about having fun!!

Come join us in Grand Rapids this
winter season if you get the chance!

John
"Great Lakes Racers Club"

dl: What, you Masters guys don't have any staying power anymore?

bstorey: Cool, I'm glad to hear you're gonna be there. I'll be happy to help in any way I can. Just feel free to come over and ask any questions you need answered. Mike Pulfer is an absolute wealth of knowledge as well, even if he does run that "other" link car. I think Robbie Love will be running his new Rev. 3 too, so we should have plenty of people to test things. It should be a pretty productive day! :devil:

John Warner: Hopefully we'll get the chance to make a trek up that way this season. You guys are a great group to race with, except for Jeff Brown of course. (j/k Jeff!)

Originally posted by John Warner
Just wanted to mention that our members and racers are doing their part to resurrect 1/12 scale racing this upcoming indoor season. We've even gone to the extent of making 1/12 scale racing mandatory
This mandatory stuff is getting a little pricey.

Originally posted by knapster

This mandatory stuff is getting a little pricey. Oh, don't worry fred. I know you know we're only kidding. Besides.. you already have a 1/12 scale car. So, save you change.

Originally posted by John Warner
Just wanted to mention that our members and racers are doing their part to resurrect 1/12 scale racing this upcoming indoor season. We've even gone to the extent of making 1/12 scale racing mandatory .

(just kidding of course) But I think you get the picture. It's all about having fun!!

Come join us in Grand Rapids this
winter season if you get the chance!

John
"Great Lakes Racers Club" [/B]It would seem you left out part of my orginal post.

CypressMidWest,
Thanks Ian for all you help the other day at Ultra. I didn't see you around when I left or I would have thanked you in person. I really appreciate all the help everyone gave me there, really a great bunch of guys!

Unfortunately for now my racing is over, wife is going to law school so money and time are going to be even tighter than ever! If you'd like a great deal on an awesome Rev2 see the swap and sell section.

Thanks everyone and I'll see you in about 4 years!
Blake

bstorey: Blake, you're welcome. I'm just glad I could help. Sorry to hear that you won't be racing for awhile. At least it's for a good reason.

How oftain do you have too replace the flanged bearing that goes in the diff? It seems that I go through one about every other weekend of racing. I clean it but it stills fills grity. So I replace.

Could I be over tighting the diff?

what diff are you running? the stock assoc or the irs?

Associated.

the associated diff hub only uses one bearing so that one bearing carries all the load. you don't have to hit much to blow that bearing. I would take the hub off and see if a flanged bearing fits in the other side. if it does run one there. if it doesn't get the irs complete axel set with hubs. it allows you to run a bearing there and in the spur gear. why the hole axel? well you know what a pain it is to get the left hub spaced right so the axel rotates free. with the irs assembly the left hub is clamping. plus the diff ring are the d type which makes for longer life of the diff rings being that they are locked.
If you don't have one then get the rpm bearing blaster. it works great. it gets all the dirt out of bearings. i was changing out bearings too till i got this thing and found out that I wasn't cleaning them out good enough.

How oftain do you have too replace the flanged bearing that goes in the diff? It seems that I go through one about every other weekend of racing. I clean it but it stills fills grity. So I replace.

Runnin Free, that is really not that uncommmon. I mean if you want a silky smooth diff every weekend, than that bearing has to go often!! Also-One hard hit to the right rear wheel destroys the bearing as well. If you need to tighten diff that much to get the right diff action, try using less diff grease, say on the balls only and leave the diff rings super clean and dry when building. Then take extra time working diff in as you tighten the adjusting nut down. Bit by bit, tighter and tighter. I build my 12th scale diffs with very little grease. Also-the outside flanged bearng shouldnt be cleaned. When its hosed-toss it.

Thanks Dave and Ray,

Ray,

I am running Mods with the Rev3 now. What a blast!

Ray speaks the truth. The flanged bearing is the thrust bearing in a pan car diff, and it's subjected to tremendous side loads. They have a tendency to get gritty more because of distortion rather than dirt. Unfortunately, they're the weak link in the chain and when they get gritty, pitch 'em! Also like Ray said don't clean the original grease outta the diff bearing. They always seem to work best when installed exactly as they come out of the package. Axle bearings, oh yeah, remove the seals and spray out all the grease and relube them with Zubak's bearing lube, or tribo, to free 'em up. But leave those diff hub bearings alone! :devil:

CMW - do you use Tribo on bearings? I thought it was only for bushings.

I personally don't use Tribo on bearings, but I know several people who do with great results. They like it a little better than normal bearing lubes and some say it actually makes their axle bearings last longer. I don't know how well it works. I do know that Zubie's stuff is wicked good though.

Well guys, my rev.3 came yesterday in the mail!!! I went home after work and had it running by 12am!! Sanded, CA'd glued, measured, etc!!!! I think I set a personal best for building a new car kit!!! :)

I am so lost in some ways though. I cannot remember so much from last year!! It's pathetic. Here are my questions!!!

1. How wide can the car be-from rim to rim for ROAR/Champs?

2. Will going from a Personal Transponder to a regular transponder totally screw up the handling later? I ask because I have the PT for club racing, but the Champs will be using regular transponders. I know I can just redo the tweak, but will it really mess with the cars balance?

Thanks guys,
Ray

Hey Ray,

Do these Rev.3's come with building instructions? I had to take mine apart to prep the chassis and do some other stuff, and well, I don't remember how some parts went back together.

For one thing, I've never built one of these old school front ends before.

I've been going off the pic on the box and the pics on the web site.

-Rich

Rich,

I know what you mean, but the anser is yes and no. There should have been an instruction sheet in the box. If not,call me and I'll explain everything you need to know (to make sure your slower than me!!).

Ray

hi to all 1/12 scale friends,
i have purchased an associated 1/12 scale, and man i have to say i love it, i've run Tc-3, Ntc-3, Losi xxxt, Losi xxxnt, shoot i own way too many cars but the 1/12 scale takes the cake........

Now for my question, I am not sure which modle this car is but, i need to know how to hold the 4 cell batt. in..... last weekend i used black tape and man did that suck.... my buddy has a carpet knife and his cells are all in a line, mine are split and facing sidways...

any idea's would be appreciated, thanx.......

Originally posted by mxatv151
hi to all 1/12 scale friends,
i have purchased an associated 1/12 scale, and man i have to say i love it, i've run Tc-3, Ntc-3, Losi xxxt, Losi xxxnt, shoot i own way too many cars but the 1/12 scale takes the cake........

Now for my question, I am not sure which modle this car is but, i need to know how to hold the 4 cell batt. in..... last weekend i used black tape and man did that suck.... my buddy has a carpet knife and his cells are all in a line, mine are split and facing sidways...

any idea's would be appreciated, thanx....... Tony.... I'm assuming you used electricial tape??? Yikes!! Anyway, most everyone I know with the Ass. car uses your basic strapping tape sold at most hardware stores. Or you could spend the BIG bucks and by the battery tape they sell at Rider's. Also.. be sure to keep some sissors in your pit box to remove the tape after runs.

You most likely have a 12L3. You will have to use strapping tape like you are currently doing to hold the batteries in. :)

I use this stuff I got from my hobby store, but I don't know who makes them. It is the best battery straping tape I've come across.

Anyways, you probably just need to file down the sharp edges of the chassis. I am guessing the edges are still sharp.

Either use a metal rasp, or a strip of sand paper to round down the chassis edges (especially where the tape goes).

There is a good tutorial off of the CRC (http://www.teamcrc.com/team_crc_raceway/chassis.htm) website on how to prep a 1/12th chassis.

-Rich

you need fibre reinforced strapping tape tony. that is the best way.

Riders has some good stuff back by the bodies and stuff. Just find scotty or tyrone and they will point you in the right direction.

OR if you like the Carpey Knifeyou can get the knife conversion from CRC.....

Dan's RC STUFF also makes a battery strap kit made for saddle packs that works well I us them on my 6-pack.....

were do i find this battery strap kit?.......

I so do not look forward to tapeing cells in every race.......need another way....

thanks guys......

Dan's Battery straps from tower hobbies (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXB811&P=7)

Merry Christmas!!!!

a few pics

Tape is a terrible thing, but you'll get really good at it. Also-the shiny black tape with fiber reenforcement is the best-bar none!! And its easier to use than regular box strapping tape (doesnt fold over and attach to itself)!!!!!

Thats just the way it is with 12L3's!!! Also-the car wont suffer any ride height issues because the tape is very thin. And it's my recollection that 12L3's like to be run low to work best (3mm).

I run my 6-pack at 3mm and have not scraped the straps yet, just make sure the edges of the chassis are well rounded and totally smooth. But the same must be done with strapping tape as well.