No Ian, I am using the standard roll center in the rear. I like it better because the car rotates better and there still is plenty of rear traction, even for the modified car. The lower roll center is something the guys can try on pavement, but I don't care for it on carpet. I know Alex, Mo and Paul used the lower roll center in Minneapolis, but I don't know why they tried it in the first place. I wasn't there and only know what others have said. I haven't heard any logical description of the track that justifies using the lower roll center at the Nats.

cool, I'll grill Mo on the details, Sunday. I know Jakes ran it at Ultra, which I just didn't understand, but to each their own.

Ian and David,

Last race I finally drove 12th scale again. Man was that fun-but I digress. I had to slow down more than the other guys in the high speed 180 off of the back straight into the infield. I was running a pretty stiff set-up. my question-In general-to increase high speed steering-I would want to lighten the side springs-correct? I had White and am thinking Blue might have been better. I also know I lacked a bit of turn in in the tighter turns as well-which might be the same side spring issue.

Ray - good to talk to you again. I haven't run white side springs on the Speedmerchant REV3 for 2 years. I ran the blue alot and the orange as well. Bruce and I differ on this part, but I think I can get enough agressiveness in the front steering to run blue or orange. That is due to the black center spring and not very much castor. So I think that those 2 springs would be good choices and help you a lot. Does the layout have some places where the car must recover very quickly?What rear tire do you run? Sometimes I used the white rear tire, got more forward bite, and decreased my laptime. That was important when using that black center spring. Another thing you can do if the layout allows for a slow reacting car is to increase the thickness of the damper fluid. But then you might have to steer the car off the corner, but it could be faster in that section. Consider whether it is easy enough to drive and your full laptime to pick the best adjustment. Good luck.

CypressMW - lets go to Ultra tomorrow. You and me. Championship of the devine duo.

Ahh, alas I missed the invite, and had childcare issues to boot. Sorry DL! It's gonna be a little while before I can make it back to the Air Conditioned Ozite covered Paradise known as ULTRA. I unfortunately have been bitten by the dreaded SEDAN racing bug. So the next few weekends will be spent in the Parking Lot at CORCAR's current location.


I had planned to go out to Ultra for testing this past Sunday, (since my sedan racing compatriot Mr. Pulfer, was away), but my ex was very uncooperative. It seems that after working a 10 hour shift Saturday night, she wasn't receptive to caring for a two year old, who'd arrive about 5 mins. after she got home from work. She's not very understanding of my racing needs, and that's probably part of the reason we're no longer together.

Will you be traveling to NC for ROAR's paved festivities DL?

CMW - You can run touring car at Ultra. I did tonight. I am not going to NC for the ROAR Nats. I don't have enough money to go there.

I am also too funds deficient to attend. I'm currently embroiled in a points battle at CORCAR in Columbus. It's a best 5 of 8 series, so my racing will take place in The Lot for the next 3 weeks or so. I, at the very least,need to take advantage while Mike and Mo are in North Carolina.

CMW - that's pretty lame when you are in 15th place.

:jest: :lol: :jest: :lol: :tongue: :D

15th? Uhh, Ninth prior to throwout weeks, (I've missed one week). After factoring in throwouts, prior to this weekends standings, which as of yet are unposted on the CORCAR site, I believe I'm tied for third, after yesterday, based on throwouts I think I'm in a solid third now.

This is not meant to be a "do this" sort of post, but its is something to consider-especially for beginers or wanna-be's like me!!

Setting up a Sedan is pretty straight forward once youve tested enough and played around enough. But I have to admit that getting the balance, speed and efficiency out of a 12th scale to be a daunting task at times. Black Magic!!! And add to that-many set-ups require a change in driving style to get the most out of it!!! hence why you can drive the TQ guys 12th scale and think it handles terrible-but he is whicked FAST!!!

But I am slowly learning that a balanced, easy handling 12th scale can also be a slow 12th scale car. And smetimes an edy- fast feeling car can also be slow......Sad, but true. but I digress frm my point of all this and that is-form as many constants as you can as you learn your car. For example-and again this is just me-when in doubt-I always go back to Blue side springs on my Speedmerchant Rev.3 and I always run JACO rears and they are always sauced full for a minimum of 20 minutes!!! Oh-and I always run Losi med hydra fluid in the dampers. Hmmmm... come to think of it-I always run 3 degrees of caster and a slight amount of rear pod droop. These things basically never change.

WHY????-because the center spring, shock oil, front springs and front camber, toe out, ride height, rake, front tire compound, width of sauce on frnt tires, diameter of tires are enough variables!! But very effective variables!!! Learn those first!!!

So in closing for any 12th scale newbies-dont give-up on 12th scale. Just make it as simple for your self as possible!!!! And make your car as easy to drive as you can to start. Also-baby your 12th scale because it is a precision instrument. Take care of it-rebuild it often and also rebuild it EXACTLY the same time after time after time!!! Think of it like this-A 4wd drive car is a hammer and a 12th scale is a scalpel.

Let me give you an example from this week. A newbie in 12th scale was trying to drive his brand new 12th scale. it was SO bad he couldnt even make a corner. problem??? He sauced his front tires 100% and had never driven 12th scale before!!! WOW!!!

Also-those weird things you see the fast guys doing-like making endless circles on the track right and left and playing with there radio buttons 1" from there faces, and putting quarters on top of the front tires till they fall off and constantly resetting the trim on the straights before every race- LEARN-em-DO-em!!!! Its a ritual, its required!!!! ITS FUN!!!

Ray, you are an animal! I've never seen anybody with a better attitude for self improvement. Don't underestimate the importance of driving clean for 8 minutes in 1/12th scale. Give up some speed if it makes you uncomforable on the stand. Practice and experience are what makes you fast in 1/12th scale. You can't just go fast, you have to BE fast. That comes with practice.

Dana

Hello Dana. You made a very good point.

:rolleyes:

howdy all...

what is good for gooping up the tires on Pavement?

and what is good for Carpet?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Doug

Believe it or not, fire, suntan lotion works very well. You should by using purple and pink compounds on pavement. Something around spf 25 is recommended.

CMW - this thread has died. Weren't you responsibile to keep it at the top of the board? Ohhhhh my! :freak:

OKAY - the last active discussion was related to hooking up your 1/12 scale on-road car on pavement. Many of you attended the ROAR Paved On-road Championships in NC. Please come on and tell the crowd how you did in the event, and what techniques you used to gain the traction you were worried about before you went. In other words, let's debrief the race so we can compare the suggestion to the earlier question to the results obtained.

Well, the Nats was my first time running a rev3, so I'm no expert on the spring cars... In fact the CRC car I ran at indoor nats as only a week old, and now I tool a brand new Rev.3 down to NC...here's how I had it set up:

Front:
Old Skool front end with braces
.020" springs
no dampening
slight toe out
1.75" TM gas 35 tires
2 deg caster


Rear:
IRS lowered pod plates
Niftech rear axle
orange side springs
3000wt diff oil for dampening
35wt oil in center shock with silver spring
or 40 wt with gold spring depending of track temp
1.80 TM platnium tires


Compound: Paragon FXII, 1/2 front, full rear
Servo: JR 3550
speedo: GT7
Novak XXL reveiver
KO Mars radio
Team RCV receiver pack (thanks Hank!)
SMC 3300 GP's
Dell Big Block 8x2 (core based local winder)
gearer 96/31 (roll out at 1.82, should of been over 2.00, was way under geared!!!! )

I basically lost 2 qualifiers and the second A-main because the center shock popped off and the chassis was dragging...

Qualified 9th in A-mod, finished 5th

anything else u want to know, just let me know!

Okay I am a 12th scale newbie, I have been running off-road since 97. I consider myself to be a pretty good driver. Top 10 in the Mars series in stock buggy every year and top 15 in modified buggy. So I know that I have driving ability. I have been described as having a smooth controlled driving style on the dirt tracks here in Michigan. My point is I think that I can transfer my driving ability into 12th scale but I need to learn the technical side of things. Which type of car is easier to set up, A car with a t-plate or a car with springs on the rear pod? Which one will hold the tweak better? What is a good stock motor for 12th scale and then what is a good brush and spring combo to use? What is the optimum tire diameter? and how much should i rely on tire diameter to set ride height? What is a good tire truer for 12th scale tires? It's going to be wierd for me that's for sure I am going to go from being the off-road big-dog in my area to a 12th scale rookie, I am totally fired up about it though. I acatually can't wait for our indoor season to start here.

car: Speedmerchant Rev.3, link (spring) cars are more flexible in terms of set-up, and hold tweak settings better.

Motor: Revenge of the Monster, Advantage brushes, red springs

Tire diameter: I don't really think there's an "ideal" tire diameter, some drivers prefer a car with larger tires, others like small tires. Ride height can be adjusted with shims up front, and the bearing blocks in the back.

tire truer: Ofna and Hudy make excellent truers.

Pshcho, are you west side or east side of MI? where are you going to be racing at?

Pshcho, are you west side or east side of MI? where are you going to be racing at?

I am on the west side of the state in Spring Lake I will probably be running in Grand Rapids and Lansing mostly.

I am not really familiar with advantage brushes who makes them? and where could I pick some up from?

Guys,

If you need Speedmerchant parts or kits-I got almost everything for that car!!! Just e-mail me. Carpet season coming up fast too.

Ray
rshuang@ameritech.net

CMW - there is a question for you to answer. Who is the person behind Advantage? I have a feeling it is C. Dosek, but I don't know either.

I think it is Mo Denton?

I think it is Mo Denton?


You WIN!! Good answer!!

So is Mo trying to catch up with Dosek?

Mo Denton is the mastermind at Advantage, and his gear is top notch. I have never in my life had more rip than I have as of late. :devil:

CMW - I have heard of your recent exploits. They didn't say your had rip, but that your efforts were paying off with some very good runs. I guess you are just being humble. That is a very good virtue. But, be carefull. Your reputation is growing. We don't need to next hear that you have had a Koby episode in a hotel somewhere. :( It pleases me to see you are doing so well. :thumbsup:

So does Mr. Denton have a website that I can find his stuff at or anywhere in particular that he sells it?

Hey Guys,
My Website is currently getting set up. Not quite done yet but should be shortly. For any questions e mail;
denfast12@aol.com
www.advantagerc.com
thanks
Mo

Davidl- At ultra Racing,Capstone Hobbies, Grandview Hobbies
and several other shops in the Ohio/Michigan area also have stock

Mo,

my fastest run in Sedan and my fastest run in 12th scale were both with your brushes. In the 12th scale it was slot, narrowed with green springs in a Monster. Car was fast, fast, fast.

Ray

CMW - I have heard of your recent exploits. They didn't say your had rip, but that your efforts were paying off with some very good runs. I guess you are just being humble. That is a very good virtue. But, be carefull. Your reputation is growing. We don't need to next hear that you have had a Koby episode in a hotel somewhere. :( It pleases me to see you are doing so well. :thumbsup:


Yes, A Kobe style encounter would only further tarnish my lackluster image.

I'm not really being humble, I still can't drive. Advantage Rip just makes it easier to power out of those mistakes. :devil:

CMW - you crack me up :eek: :roll:

David, When are you going to change you location here on H.T. to your new location yet?

so how is ever one doing with thire 12th.

Taz s,
Hey thanks for bringing this thread up I didnt even know about it! Lots of good info in here! I spent that last two hours reading it from the begining, just a little crossed eyed now, LOL.
Lee, :cool:

Your welcome

anyone know which are the best batteries to run in stock class?

anyone know which are the best batteries to run in stock class?

Power Push GP3300's, by far the best cells available.

Hey Cypress..you spelled Power Push wrong...it should say S M C , afterall RKstar asked which batteries are best............ for stock :devil:

Hey Cypress..you spelled Power Push wrong...it should say S M C , afterall RKstar asked which batteries are best............ for stock :devil:


I'm pretty sure THAT GIRL that whipped all our heinies in 12th Stock at the Indoor Champs ran Power Push Cells!! :D

SMC batteries are for Oval racing!!!

Oval racing....isn't that the class where MORE POWER will win you races :tongue:

Of coarse, congrats go to both Mr. and Mrs. Blackstock for great performances in Cleveland this year. :thumbsup:

Oval racing....isn't that the class where MORE POWER will win you races :tongue:

Of coarse, congrats go to both Mr. and Mrs. Blackstock for great performances in Cleveland this year. :thumbsup:


Actually, Oval is 96% chassis set-up, 2% motor, 1% driver, and 1% battery. Trust me, I've been there, done that.

Ian, how many PP powered cars were in the show? what about c-dan?

My Dad is better than your Dad!

:p

If I'm not mistaken......... A Fukuyama Racing powered 12th scale dominated the entire weekend............... PP - SMC - ABC - 123 - whatever:)


Take care fellas. C-ya at the Birds if any of you are going.


RB Love

Greggie: Who cares how many were in the c-dan main? That's like asking which brand of car is fastest in the Nascar Goody's Dash series. This is a 12th scale thread, so I assume Rkstar was asking about batteries for real race cars! :D

Fleeeetwooooood: Fukuyama cells are good, but I argue that it was the TQ's EXCELLENT driving and WICKED MOTOR building that kept him out front all weekend in qualifying. TQ gets you a small plaque, and the W gets you the big giant trophy. Power Push has been winning in stock FOR YEARS. As a matter of fact I think this was two years in a row if I'm not mistaken.

What about my first question Ian, nice tap dancing arround the real question