yes, bolink and hypedrive both make nitro pan cars. check out this site too.. GASCAR (http://com3.akheva.com/bgascarnitroovalracing)

I am a charter member of GASCAR in fact one of their races will be held at our track next season

I was wondering if anyone raced them @ Tuffy's

We don't race nitro anything at Tuffy's track. You can go back several pages and Metrodog posted some pictures. It's only 190 ft center line. Right now Legends are doing mid 5 second laps and 1/10ths with caps can go around 3.8 seconds. However we mostly run foam tires on 1/10th as only two -three racers have caps.
The classes presently being run are:
Legends- Fla state rules .
1/10th stock 4 cell
1/10th 19t with C2 type motors and 4 cells.
Must be a ROAR member.
A/C pits with AMBrc lap counting with B&B software.
Hope that answers your questions

Mike Kohler and Bruce Bunch

Say it aint so? The palatka flash hisself and the supercell man. Yikes I was just looking at some of the old posts and these two names showed up in one. I'm suprised all these monitors didnt just lock up and quit working all together.

I bet bitty Bunch isnt so bitty anymore. Lets find Zoro and Paul Lehman while we're at it. We could have the geritol 500 at Tuffy's track and probably make the guiness book of world records for all the noise that'd be made. Anybody heard fronm Dave Armstrong in the last ten years? :jest:

Say it aint so? The palatka flash hisself and the supercell man. Yikes I was just looking at some of the old posts and these two names showed up in one. I'm suprised all these monitors didnt just lock up and quit working all together.

I bet bitty Bunch isnt so bitty anymore. Lets find Zoro and Paul Lehman while we're at it. We could have the geritol 500 at Tuffy's track and probably make the guiness book of world records for all the noise that'd be made. Anybody heard fronm Dave Armstrong in the last ten years? :jest:


Oops! I meant Zorba not zoro. Old age has affected my memory too.

Look out Joe and the two Tom's(and everyone else who finished better than I did). I did my first outright car parts purchase in eight or so years today. I bought some rear axle bushings(huh?)for my legends car(well its actually my daughters but she doesnt know or care where it's at) and I'm gunnin for you guys.

Now if I just had one of them aero dynamic sedan bodies I'd be in like Flynn. I cant believe I'm actually excited about a legends car race. Oh well its the closest thing I have to raceable at the time unless you guys would let me run my dirtoval northeastern modified car :eek:

I 'm glad to see the bug got you real good.Those other old guys were supposed to show up but I never saw them. Now if we could get Lynn to come over and race. He's just across the street.

Just looking further back in the archives I see Tuffy's track is supposed to be by invitation only. Sorry to crash your party guy's. How does one go about getting invited? Anyone? Hello? Dont everybody speak up at once. Somebody puuullleeaaasse invite me, I'm begging, Come on I promise I'll lose, I'll run a three cell pack, I'll run with only three tires, Oh yeah Bill already does that. I'll take my cheatin stuff off. I'll pit outta my trunk. Ok I'll park down the street and jump the neihbors fence so no one will know I'm there. I'll even get Conley's five spot back from the crackhead. Come on? No more pootin by the A/C either :roll:

that's Shannons spot!As for the invite--hum lets see what we can work out?Maybe we can sneak you in past the guard dog at the gate.It's going to be rough to race that Legends with the fluroscent paint job. :wave: :eek: :mad:

Hey we gotta keep this thread on the 1st page. One a day oughta do it.

That should be no problem in the very near future.Are you ready to sneak in this saturday?

We are going to Branford in August and will be looking your way in September. I wish we could get down earlier but my real job has me pinned down 6 days a week as this is the busy season. Which track, BTW?

Tuffy's? I sure would like to run some nitro down there on caps!

You can run caps but it will have to be electric.

So Bill When is the point series going to start?

That should be no problem in the very near future.Are you ready to sneak in this saturday?

I've got to work tomorrow about 11 hours and 500 miles worth so if I show up at all it'll be later as a spectator. Cant get the motor and battery this week anyway :mad: Wifey still isnt home

David,
I'll loan you a motor and some batteries............ what time can you get there saturday.

Joe

that's a simple solution . I've got a compete spare car RTR.We'll sign you up anyway - when you show up you show up.

Bullfrog, are you worried that the nitro will somehow hurt the track or is it a nois issue?

70% rain all day tommorow

Bullfrog,
Kinda curious, just what are Fla. State Legend rules? trying to get some guys to run Legends at Hobby World on the short track and think we should stay in line with what everyone in the areas running.
Thanks, Lee Helander :cool:

MAIN RULE=USE WHATS COMES IN :wave: BOX

shrabber,
What about steering turnbuckles?
Lee

MUST BE THOSE CHEAPOS WIRES I HAVE TITANIUM BUT THERE NOT ROAR LEGAL NO BEARINGS EITHER :wave:

First question first: We can't run nitro at the track because it is a neigborhood.Too much noise. even the PA is turned down low.
You see a copy at Tuffy's or if you get a new Legends kit the 2001 rules I believe are the same.Shrabber your chassis isn't legeal either as it has been modified for the illegal turnbuckles you were running.
As for the rules If you would like me to fax them to you send me a fax number or I can mail them to you.Probably the most important rule is rule #1.That's the same on all the legends rules.

What time are you guys running today?

Gates open around 4pm and racing will start around 6p.m. If it does rain the track dries out quickly.

David,
I'll loan you a motor and some batteries............ what time can you get there saturday.

Joe
Joe, A big thanks for the offer but its been raining all day both in fla and ga and when I got home today around 6:30 its still raining. I may take you up on it next week though. Hey Bill thanks for your suggestion also. Getting those rear axle bushings to roll is a bear, but I think I have it figured out. My legends cars been sitting on top of some boxes up in the attic so long that its permanantly tweaked bad. Is that legends legal? :tongue:

Jo Mama, you still racing those lille cars? lol What do you run @ Tuffy's? How long has it been since you have been to macon? We are heading to Branford on the 24th, have you ever raced there?

Clifford Kline

It's really quite funny several people that don't -never have or maybe run Legends once or twice so long ago have so much advice on the way a class should be run.It's just like some of these people that didn't run in a race tell you what it should be.
Seeing that I've run this class since they were Diggers and watching the different racing venues change the rules to make the car something it not. Only to make the class totally dissapear.The car is what it is a class to go out and have cheap fun. You want to go fast this is not your class.If you want to have fun this is the class.
The front end wire is NOT going to make you any faster.As in any car kit it's set-up. If something is wrong it's not going to get right with this turnbuckle linkage.You want to run turnbuckle linkage then we'll let you run either for a limited time at Tuffy's.

i still dont see what the big deal is with the turnbuckle you stated about changing the way legends should be bearings,motors,gearing,things of that nature i would not what changed those are mods .Bill I have a problem where I purchased my car used through someone else and yes thanks Bill you have helped me out to where the front linkage is left .I have a cutout in my chassis from which I did not do if I put the linkage that came with box back on will my car still not be legal?Will i have to purchace a new one. .ps rules are rules no turnbuckles no turnbuckles

yes your chassis is altered and to run it will need a new one with the adjuster blocks.And altered chassis is an altered chassis.Ya'll wanted to run turnbuckle linkage well you got a limited time to run them.I don't have anymore chassis as Joe Mamma bought the last one.
The used stuff does have it's problems as it usually doesn't have everything like it was in the new box.Chill out as you got some of what you wanted. Now it's time to race.

some of what i wanted? :confused: turnbuckles i just want torace the car i purchaced and be legal i wouldnt think i would not have any unfair advantage to anyone else with the cutout chassiss if i got the linkage thats all i think the main thing with turnbuckles is the unavailability of parts for most.Its hard to get parts at the local hs and therefore when a inkage breaks most of use do what we have too(not in my case)

B-a-l-o-n-e-y.If the local hobby shops can't get the parts they haven't tried lately.There always parts available at Tuffy's.I've only seen the cheap linkage break only once but it can happen- just very rarely.If I recall anyway you weren't going to race at Tuffys any more so this is all useless. Do what you want at HW.

listen tuffys isnt the only place t0 race and no i wont be racing at tuffies but you might want to get out of your fantasy world your in cause you are full of yourself bill.Just cause you have parts at tuffies doesnt mean evryone else does(WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF THEY TRIED TO GET THEM OR NOT WE CANT GET THEM FROM THEM). I stated a opinion on parts availability not a excuse. you started this cause they were deciding on legends at hobby world.I :wave: will go there to race if they do period, as I said earlier in this thread tuffies is a great track and they are great people .

Your right I'm full of it. Since I've been racing legends I've seen the class come and go more times than I can remember at HW. Why because they changed the simple basic rules.I don't recall you even racing back then.You just got the car several months ago and never raced it as far as I know. You were told what was wrong with it and pointed out where you could find the rules-On the wall at Tuffys.They were still there until yesterday when I took them down to add the changes to the frontend.There are plenty of places to race other than Tuffy's but there will only be one place to race a ______________.Like a a new friend of your said "__________________________".You can fill in the blanks anyway you want. Go out and have some fun racing anywhere you want to race.

Bill you are"Incredible"and you know what I can believe how your acting right now you took a simple discussion and mad a mockery.I have more things better to do with my time like bench racing then to hear you critisize me or any one else im done .

ok, i've been reading this thread watching bill and tim go back and forth over legends rules. by the official legends rules.....you cant "alter" the chassis....fine. Tim apparently bought a used legend awhile back where the owner had filed/shaved/carved whatever you want to say the chassis to use other linkage (whether it be for convience of the prior owner or lack of being able to get parts....doesnt matter). Does the "altered" chassis pose a performance advantage of some kind?....if the answer is no.... then put the stock linkage on and race it, until the proper parts can be obtained to make it legal and by the book.....if the answer is yes.... then you have to get the proper part to race.....whats the big arguement about ??.....just get on with it.... go race in Tuffy's backyard and have some fun.

Thank you Rich I :wave: m not trying to change anything .Iwas just talking in conversation and it seemed to get out of hand .

Rich removing chassis parts is against rule #1. Again when he first showed me the car it was pointed out.As for him racing at Tuffy's that's up to him .As for the rest of the bs. thanks for answering my question now I know the other part.Yes Tim please watch out for me now - next time just read the rules as they are posted that way you don't have to take my word even thought I helped right them in the first place. :wave: And you have a nice day also.

Ok guys lets just mount some boxing gloves on the legends cars and duke it out like the men we are, playing with our little toy cars. There is absolutely no reason for this or any discussion about a hobby to get this far out of hand. In all the years I raced and actually held the races at you know where(hw) the worst part of any of it was getting between two full grown men who were one step away from actually going at it in front of everyone else including children. This happened on several ocassions and it was not good for the hobby or either of the individuals involved including me. The old addage of "cant we just get along" is needed here. I dont think anything thats been discussed is an arguable offense. Either the rules are or arent enforced to the full extent. My car for instance was modified by me to stay together for my little(at the time)girl to play with in the driveway. My front plate has been drilled for a tie strap to secure the steering servo. In the rules? nope, car faster? nope. Still want to race it? Yep. Am I ? hmmm If I win is somebody gonna acuse me of cheating with my lightened front plate? As I've stated elsewhere I'm getting back into this stuff for fun and I dont consider arguing fun. nuff said

The car is what it is a class to go out and have cheap fun. You want to go fast this is not your class.If you want to have fun this is the class.
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i know i'm a big joke to bill..but i suggest tim you take your car to tuffys and have the racers in the legends class vote on your chassis. if they think it is a speed advantage than you are looking to get a new chassis asap. if like david they feel it will not help you win any races than i say bend the rules like every other so called "roar" track does in this country. after all your all supposed to be doing this for fun? when it gets like work it's time to find another hobby! bill will get his vote as will the other legend racers. if they find you are spanking them week in and week out than maybe it's time to invest in another chassis. david having owned a few race cars in his time understands the down falls of some of the legend designs. i wouldn't want to win a race because his servo fell out! david you make alot of sense bro...any chance you would like to run for a roar official here in florida? lol see you guys in 2 weeks! :thumbsup:

Your right for a change. The office is available real soon so why don't you run.

i agree with you also bill! lol i think i may do just that! first i need to trun in my extreme card and get a roar membership up and running again. :thumbsup:

How did you like pages 138-148 .yea your going to have to be a member real soon.........

The reason that Legends comes and goes at HW,...is because from time to time,everyone is strickened by the "ludicrous speed" bug! That's all! Bullfrog can claim partial credit,and blame for this,for it was his idea to pave the deal in the first place. We had a short-track back in the day,and there are some who will say that the racing was better back then. There was alot less pressure to obtain speed,for no matter how fast your car was,if you couldn't handle,you couldn't hang. Now,it's all about speed,and turning at speed,and not scrubbing off any speed,yada yada.So after two years of NOT racing Legends at HW,now we have an interest again? What did you do this time,Bill?

Joespec you can call anytime for your answer

Tim and David you are welcome to run your cars at the carpet track.

Thanks :wave: