and we can type too.

LOL Sean :lol: :lol:

Hey boys and girls, I won't be able to make it out to race on Tuesday night. High school track season is starting, and there is a meet that night. I'll probably talk to Phil or Dale before then, but if Karl is there, he can probably enter racers and run the computer for the night. I also have meets the next 2 weeks also, so I may be done for the month of April.

What time you guys start? I could probably run it if someone shows me the basics. :tongue:

Starts at 7:00. Karl, Dale or Phil would know. I'm not sure who else would show up on tuesday night that knows how.
Nice avitar... is that before or after you went de-caf? :)

No, its me after I quit drinking a gallon of Mountain Dew per day!
:freak:
:tongue:

hey yall thought I would jump in here real quick. I am tryin to sell my triple xs and my tc3. neither one have electronics. both come with two bodies and the tc3 has some xtras. Sorry bout soundin like a salesman just tryin to get rid of them before I move. If anyone is intrested you can pm me or email me at centari5000@hotmail.com

harry boggs

So we slip to page two??

Maybe you did. I was still on page one. I guess my reading skills are lacking.

Atleast you can type.

I hear a rumor that we have a group of racers that want to run F1 this indoor season. Anyone out there with ideas or more info on how you would like to do it? I happen to have a Tamiya f201 in my hands now, so I'd be interested.

I happen to have a Tamiya f201 in my hands now, so I'd be interested.

Jeez Scott, you are too talented if you can type and hold the F201 too! Big hands I guess. Boy, I was shocked to finally see this thread back on page one... then I looked at the calendar and realized no one will be reading this for atleast two more months. :confused:

Dale, Karl, Jason, and I were talking about starting a Tuesday night F1 class. F1 followed by wings and beer! My general idea is to start with the stock kit, a stock motor and Type-A tires, to keep costs down. We will eventually have to talk about modifications, will we keep it TCS? ...spec batteries and/or motors? The idea is for each person to take an actual team and paint their cars up like it. Dale has a Ferrari, Karl wants McLaren, Jason wants Renault, and I want BAR Honda or Williams (I don't really care). I was thinking we could run two races a month with a points chase and the other two weeks would be practice.

This will be fun for me as I plan on refocusing my efforts on 12th scale and running on Sundays with the fast guys. We can run cars that we don't have to worry about too much, get seat time and not worry about banging up some expensive equipment. How about some input, whatcha guys think?

-Sean

Keep in mind that this will seriously impact anyone's racing program to the tune of several hundred bucks. That's a lot of tires and motors. I think we'd all be better off concentrating on our main race programs than getting sidetracked. I'll run my TC on the Tuesday's that I make it out for even if it's just me (there'll be at least one other car in my heat, I'm sure :)

f1 car $150
3 spec batts $75
sport esc $50
Servo $70
Parts $50-100

Total: $395-445

**** I don't mean to slam your post I'm just stating what I think

For the first time in my life agree with Ben. The turn out is low as it is now and I think we can attract new racers as they see they can get help because everyone runs that class or the majority do. When you have too many classes it always ends up being few racers in each.

They run a similiar class to this at Lazer Raceway in MI. You might want to look at that thread and see the rules they use.

And Ben I will sell you 3 servos for 70 bucks that will work just fine. My 12th scale servo doesn't even retail for that much.

Brian

I think you could use a better servo! I saw you replied and thought 'Brian's going to contradict everything I just said'; glad to see I was wrong. Use that money on your 1/12 scaler Sean.

They run a similiar class to this at Lazer Raceway in MI. You might want to look at that thread and see the rules they use... When you have too many classes it always ends up being few racers in each.


Yeah, I know. Thanks, I was all over that thread. Do you remember the attendance on Tuesdays?? There were only a few of us in the first place. then you guys got bored with the local TC guys so you started running mod to get away from them. A lot of experienced guys won't even run with the newbies because they crash so often.

Nobody besides Scott ran 12th scale, you and I only ran 12th a handful of times. So your saying everyone should be forced to run TC? With the amount of focus I want to commit to 12th scale I can't run the TC3 with Ben and Karl. It would require too much effort. I would rather focus that effort into trying to catch up to Ferguson and Harp. Then on Tuesdays I can relax and run the F1 w/o any pressure.

I don't mean to slam your post I'm just stating what I think... Use that money on your 1/12 scaler Sean.

Don't sweat my budget brotherman! You, of all people, shouldn't talk to me about focusing on one class, Mr. "I have two aftermarket versions of the TC3, a NTC3, a MF truck and (that other nitro tourer I can't remember right now)". You have more cars than Karl. I am dumping three cars and a lot of other junk. This will leave a lot of room for the new 12L4 and... what? I am not going to run 12th on Tuesdays with two other people, there is no point.

So what excuse do I have to get wings and beer? Hello!! F1 thanks! What is going to attract more people on Tuesday nights? I don't have the first clue, but if we don't change some stuff up what do you think is going to happen to Tuesday nights. I'll give you a clue, what are you doing now? Its Tuesday isn't it? Plus the track wallet is all about this class, so it will get some support. Pass or fail it is worth trying. You just don't want to have to get another car! Neither do I, but I don't see another way we will run on Tuesdays without taking away from Sundays.

What about trying to invite new racers with the Trinity T-spec cars??? It is also a class at Cleveland this year. Might be an inexpensive way to get some new racers.

The T-spec thing sounds great. $129.99 for a car with motor, battery and body. With one of the Radio/ESC packages available and an inexpesive or used charger, you could be racing for about $250. Dale has wanted to check out the T-spec racer as an entry level class since they were introduced.

I guess I see the F1 thing as a group of guys that are already racing, wanting to try something different on Tuesday, along with their class of choice. It's a car I can stick a battery in, run it and have a ball, and pretty much leave it sit as-is until the next heat.

The NTC3 is getting sold in pieces as we speak, the MF truck may not be far behind-except it might not be worth ditching. You're right; I don't want another car, esp a really really slow one(Maybe a Revo though, but then again that's not really really slow). It just isn't my thing. Maybe y'all should look into one of these

http://www.hotwheels.com/us/product.asp?category_type_id=7&id=12496&category_id=7574

I don't care how big your budget is Sean, you will need every last penny in motors, tires, and the tough one- batteries to catch Ron and Lee. Not to mention wheel time with the car you will be catching them with.
A trinity car for beginners? LOL Someone might want to check on parts for that car. There's none at Great Planes yet, and there probably won't be judging by the whopping 13 parts listed under suspension parts, most of those for dead cars."It looks like a good deal on the back of the magazine- though" LOL

Now that Ben and Brian are back to disagreeing I think the world will spin on its axis again... I am not for ANY Trinity car.

Ben,
You have very valid points. I will have to witness a miracle to catch Ron and Lee this winter. I am not dreaming that big of a dream yet. There is a lot of building to do before that. My point is the TC3 is a labor intensive unit. I had to put out a lot of effort to run on the same lap with you and Karl. That effort won't be available this year, so there is no point in running third all year and damaging my 12th effort.

The F1 thing is something we did with the F103 back before SARC went to the Armory. If this new F201 isn't as quick or cool then I want no part of it. I am sure Scott would let me test crash.... I mean test drive...his.

No matter which way we go I will need a car to run on Tuesdays... What do you suggest?

-Sean

I don't know. I will be running the TC on Tuesday. Will this be the year when we finally put away the stock motors for good at the club? The Orion rev motors are still getting great reviews as far as time between comm, brush maint. One idea that we keep coming back to is 19T+ speed with much less maintenance than a laydown brush system takes (which is a real drag on Tuesday). Orion makes a 14x2 that is supposed to be able to go several weeks w/o maintenance in a TC; or they are coming out with endbell kits and we could throw one of those on an adjustable timing 19T. Why not spend a few bucks on one of those and run it in the Tc you already have? Your TC3 just needs a little more work anyway, why not finish it? F1 might be a good thing for some people in the end and I'm sure Kral will get one if there's a class running, it's just not what I need right now, I'll take extra wheel time with my TC, thanks.

F1 sounds great!! we could use the batterys we already have 3300's and run 19T motor what a blast cannot wait.

seth

I say mod 12th.

I say mod 12th.

So are you saying you actually have a 12th scale then?

I say mod 12th.

Bring it brotherman! Just don't jack our TV again! I already talked to a local fast guy, he suggested we keep our L3s to run mod on Tuesdays if all else fails. If you are serious then we may have a plan. I won't appreciate getting lapped as many times as I probably will, but I'll be laughing while it happens.

-Sean

So are you saying you actually have a 12th scale then?I thought you were gonna give me one to run?

I'll probably get a L4 to play around with... By the way, stolen TV's work the best!

Hey, what's up guys? I just want to add my two cents worth on the F1 issue. I am really lookimg forward to getting one. I believe that 19 turn would be a great place to start. The kit stock motors S*#K. The car can't get out of it's own way. Run rubber tires, batteries that we already have, 19 turn, pick your driver from current F1 drivers, and paint your car like that drivers. But pick your driver early, because we won't have 5 Michael Schumachers running. There can only be two McClaren's, two Williams etc. Some of the drivers have already been picked. Dale has Michael. I have Kimi. Sean has Montoya I think, but he may have to paint his car in McClaren colors. :devil:

I will say that F1 is alot of fun. The cars look really cool and they are fun to drive.

Karl :thumbsup:

I have Kimi.


Karl

Does this say it all? Karl, you make it too easy sometimes... 'ya know they have a shot for that right?

Actually, my idea was for each person to start the team. They would automatically be the #1 driver. If someone comes in later and wants to run that manufacturer's car then they would have to be the #2 driver. There will be no #3 or #4. If the #1 driver doesn't care what car they do or there is a conflict, I am sure they will be able to come to an arrangement over a beer. :mad:

By stock motor, I meant the 27 turn Monster, not the kit Ma-poochi. I am up for the 19 turn, but I want to run longer than 5 minutes and I want to keep the costs down. I would also like to do a 1 motor rule for the night. No turning the comm or replacing the brushes, or suffer a 1 lap penalty. Of course if there is a problem, we could just start the car from the driver's stand or the back of the field. This is true to the FIA regulations and ensures we get beer and wings before midnight!! :o

I guess I see the F1 thing as a group of guys that are already racing, wanting to try something different on Tuesday, along with their class of choice. It's a car I can stick a battery in, run it and have a ball, and pretty much leave it sit as-is until the next heat.
Scott's point about having a relatively wrench free night is cool when we have a limited amount of time already. This is exactly why I thought this class would be cool. Close racing, realistic looking cars, open wheel, less maintenance, more beer. :thumbsup:

Are we sensing a pattern yet?

-Sean

You forgot more money for another car. We can do the same thing with the touring car except we already have the car. Do what you want though, it's just my .02; I just keep thinking of the story aboot the guy that showed up at 'Honda house' in chatham in the full ferrari race suit with helmet.

Just like to make a comment on the T-Spec racer. All the concerns about this car I can understand do to Trinity's past history with their cars. But I know from talking to other track owners that have oval track racing how important entry level cars ( Bolink Legends, gearbox truck, etc.) are to they're programs and I also believe this could be the entry level type car that could help get on-road racing to take off at Summit Raceway. This is a ready-to-run touring car that comes with motor, body, spec battery pack, threaded shocks, and many other features that come on the more expensive cars for about $130.00. Also important to new racers is the durability this car is said to have and when we talk to interested customers in the hobby shop we can tell them we run this car Box Stock! This means no purchasing foam tires, one ways, spring sets, etc. When you are trying to get a new customer into racing all these things are usually what are most important. From what I have heard they are going to have a class for these cars at cleveland this year and I plan on learning everything I possibly can about them before the indoor season starts so if you have any imformation about these cars please let me know. I am looking forward to the indoor on-road racing season and am hearing a lot of positive things that I believe will make on-road racing successful at Summit Raceway this coming season. Thanks, Dale (wallyworld).

I think if we define success as the number of racers that turn out for roadcourse then we still have growing to do, but I think the most important thing will be to stick to the program. If we have a small turnout one Sunday or Tuesday b/c everyone is doing something else on the same day it doesn't mean that the next week the roadcourse night is turned into oval practice night. Not much is more aggravating than packing up your stuff taking it to the track expecting the track you want to run on to be there and finding something else.

**just my $.02

Keep throwing 2 cents in and you'll have enough to buy a T-spec!!

Keep throwing 2 cents in and you'll have enough to buy a T-spec!!

hahahaha

I think there are going to be a lot of people running T-spec at Cleveland. I just haven't heard who will all be allowed to particpate in it if they limit it at all.

Masami said he's gonna run it.

pimpedaccord. What's the latest on Toledo's track? I heard someone's bought it. If ya know anything let us know.

Keep throwing 2 cents in and you'll have enough to buy a T-spec!!I know; somebody had one on ebay with a 'buy it now' of 0.25, at that rate I could just buy several kits and not have to buy parts from 'shopatron'

You forgot more money for another car. We can do the same thing with the touring car except we already have the car. Do what you want though, it's just my .02; I just keep thinking of the story aboot the guy that showed up at 'Honda house' in chatham in the full ferrari race suit with helmet.

...mental note, cancel order for fire suit and helmet, not as cool as I had first thought...

Ben, just say, "Bahumbug!" and get it done with.

Regardless of what class we run, Tuesday nights need a points chase and a quick, on time program where everyone has the time to marshall and get their ride going too. I would also like wings and beer before 11PM...


-Sean

Here is my opinion on how we should run Tuesday nights:

1) Start at 7:00. That means first heat on the line, marshalls in place at 7:00. That means name on the sign-up sheet, race fee paid by 6:45. A late entry or 2 can be handled in the last 15 minutes, but not half the night's racers.

2) A set time between rounds. For example 1 hour. If heat 1, round 1 starts at 7:00, heat 1, round 2 will be expected to be on the line to start at 8:00, and the mains at 9:00. It shouldn't matter if we run 2 heats or 5 heats in a round, because you will still have the 1 hour, start-to-start. As I said, 1 hour is an example. If that does not give enough time for everyone, then make it 65 or 70 minutes, start-to-start. 7:00, 8:10, 9:20 would be the start times for 70 minute rounds.

I'm open for comments or other suggestions.

Wallyworld,

Yes Toledo has been bought and is now under a different name but it has not been said offically as to all the info. I'm sure all will know when all the info is out there.


I think the hour per round sounds good. The biggest probloem is going to be charging batteries and people are just going to have to remember to start charging for the next round BEFORE they go out. I think the majority of the waiting last season was due to not being charged and then guys making a big deal of it when there is a way around it. A long as the same format is followed and once people get used to it the program should run smoothly.

Brian

A long as the same format is followed and once people get used to it the program should run smoothly.

Brian

Absolutely! Maybe we should define some classes before the start of the season and hang fliers? Gee, has that been done before? Seriously, advertise on site, 12th mod and stock, TC mod and stock, F1, and even T-spec if you like. Set the agenda (start time, # of rounds, etc...) and execute. Scott's idea is sound.

Brian, YGPM.

-Sean

Absolutely! Maybe we should define some classes before the start of the season and hang fliers? Gee, has that been done before? Seriously, advertise on site, 12th mod and stock, TC mod and stock, F1, and even T-spec if you like. Set the agenda (start time, # of rounds, etc...) and execute. Scott's idea is sound.

Brian, YGPM.

-Sean

Well Sean, the e-mail account that you sent a e-mail to has mail. If you want to send me something send it to bjanth72@hotmail.com.


muaaaahhhhhhh

Well Sean, the e-mail account that you sent a e-mail to has mail. If you want to send me something send it to bjanth72@hotmail.com.


muaaaahhhhhhh

PM =Private Message... not email big guy... you do know how to use your PM features, right?

-Sean

Hustler, in your last two posts you forgot to mention "beer". Are you feeling ill? :D

I just figured I had already gotten my point across... beer, OK? LOL Are you in for 12 mod on Tuesday nights if Jeff "I compulsively steal TVs" Swizzla' shows up? Beer, wings and more beer. There, that makes up for the other two now...

-Sean

I am game for 2 classes on carpet maybe 3:

Stock TC
Stock 12th and maybe 19t TC with either a Reedy quad 19t or a Chameleon 2 19t

Any classes other then that I see as not worth while for me as they are not run at other track or races I travel to so are an added cost. I might add a T-spec once they say the finally rules for Cleveland.

Looks like from what I've been reading that there is a big interest in an F-1 class. Now we just need to figure out some rules.

Jason

So far, we have agreed to: Tamiya F201 based car, not necessarily TCS-legal, 19 turn fixed-can motor limit, no removing the motor on race night, any battery, hopefully Type A tires only or a spec tire, no tire warmers!, a points chase for driver and manufacturer's championships, and the body must be in pre-approved and current F1 team colors.

What we haven't gotten down yet is; what weeks will be points paying or not, number of events that equals a season, length of each heat, number of cars allowed per heat and how to penalize the field so that our Schumacher representative can be as dominant as the real deal is... just kidding Dale! :jest:

Thoughts? ...other than Ben's? :eek: ..........................( oh yeah, hey ferguson!......beer)

-Sean

since so many of us our going to be needing cars has any one looked into maybe a group discount?

- Jason

Cyrul bought the Toledo track and I guess they will run on sundays.

I just got the 12th scale, so now I just gotta build it around the 9 single! Do you guys have any idea when your starting the season?

Thats OK Hustler, I'll probably need all the help I can get. Oh yeh, I heard your buying the beer for the winners at Peanuts every tuesday night. Brother, you are all right!!!!!!! http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/images/icons/icon12.gif

Dale, I am always good for a pitcher of Miller Lite! When are we going to start the indoor season? Dale, ask Nick how many F201s would have to be bought at one time to get a healthy discount please?

Hey, TV Man, you going to drive over and kick 12th scale butt on Tuesday nights this fall?

-Sean