I've read through a few pages of this forum and it looks like you may be racing F1 on carpet this fall/winter. I was racing my F201 in basically stock form in the parking lot at Hobbytown South in Indianapolis. The track was fairly big and the surface was asphalt, but I really enjoyed the F201. I had a few questions based on what I've read in the forums so far.

- What rules if any are you going to use?
Tires - rubber tires for F201 or touring car foams? (yes foams do work)
Chassis - stock chassis class & aftermarket class or all in one class?
Motor - Tamiya stock motors or 19 turn/mod motors?
Batteries - 6 cell spec, 3000 mah and less, or anything goes?
Body - Current F1 team required or fantasy/historic teams allowed?
Electronics - Forward only or reverse allowed?
Racing Schedule??

Based on what I've read in this forum there has been some wreckless driving going on with these cars. I realize that these are open wheel cars, but accidents do happen. I'm not sure what parts are breaking, but the best thing I've purchased so far for my car is the reinforced front a-arms. The included braces for the transmission case helped keep on the track. I've been surprised with the durability of my car to this point.

I don't think creating rules to penalize poor driving are in anyone's best interest. The F201 in stock form is an entry level R/C car. I can see a novice driver purchasing this car and having a lot of fun. However, with a few hop-ups this is a serious racer. Rules that discourage new racers from joining or cause existing racers to leave the class hurts everyone. I would just say to keep whatever rules there are simple and to encourage fair sportmanship.

Thanks in advance for your help.

What's the cost for membership in the SARC?

Chris

Chris,
An annual SARC membership is $10. It's not required to run on Tuesday nights, but does give you a $2 discount on racing on Tuesdays.

IndyRC_Racer,

- What rules if any are you going to use?
Tires - rubber tires for F201 or touring car foams? (yes foams do work)
Chassis - stock chassis class & aftermarket class or all in one class?
Motor - Tamiya stock motors or 19 turn/mod motors?
Batteries - 6 cell spec, 3000 mah and less, or anything goes?
Body - Current F1 team required or fantasy/historic teams allowed?
Electronics - Forward only or reverse allowed?
Racing Schedule??-Rubber tires
-All chassis run in one class. Only F201 4WD based chassis... no 2 wheel drive.
-19 turn motors
-Any 6-cell battery
-Forward only ESCs.
-Bodies - I'm running short on time, so I'll explain later, or let someone else answer that. I will say that we won't turn anyone away that wants to race with us just becase of body style.

We are going to be running an F1 series on Tuesday nights, with points races on alternating Tuesday nights. On the other Tuesdays we will run F1 as a regular class in club racing. We also race road course every Sunday afternoon, and F1 would be one of the class choices, along with 1/12 scale and touing car classes. The schedule of the points races is being finalized, and will be posted on the website once set. It looks like a short series in Nov. and Dec., and then a longer one starting in January. Hopefully you will be able to make it down an race with us this season!

OK, back to the bodies.
The local racers that are participating in the series, have signed up for teams simulating the actual F1 teams. 2 persons for Ferrari, 2 persons for BAR Honda, 2 persons for McLaren, etc. Those racers will have car bodies painted to represent their corresponding F1 teams. Racers that may show up week to week that are not involved in the local points series will be welcome to race. As long as the body is an F1 style body (no sedans or sports car bodies on the F201 chassis) I don't think the paint scheme will matter. For those racing in the series, we wanted to keep the feel of the 2 person F1 teams, and have a variety of race cars. We also wanted to avoid having a heat full of only Ferraris and Williams BMWs.

Thanks for all the info.

I work late in Indy so Tuesday nights are out for me. However, road course on Sunday may be the ticket. I purchased the Ferrari kit, but never painted that body. I had an old set of Tamiya decals for the 1989 Tyrrell driven by Jean Alesi that I put on a new F201 body. It definately doesn't look like a Ferrari or BMW!

I did have a question about gearing for the 19 turn motor. Are you using a spec 19t or an adjustable timing 19t motor? Also, which gear set is everyone using with the stock chassis?

One last question. When is the next Sunday you plan to race road course?

Thanks again for your help.

and we are off!!!!! we have had our first f1 race of the season and it was fun!

Tim to Eric
Hey Eric! Man will you stop crying and rocking back and forward I mean you are really breaking my consentration hear! this F1 thing is not that hard.

Hey thanks Tim I do feel a little better maybe now I can win the B-main

Hey eric you will never win over the lucky scunks and my trusty SUPER CELL

pics just a few pics

a few more pics

Wow! Great pics Seth!! Must be a strong camera? Too many open pit spaces in those pics though.

We had WAY too much fun tonight for this place to have only three heats. F1 was out of this world! Brad was inexorable, Karl was inconsolable (sorry about that Karl!), Tim was immobile, and the action was unstoppable... until Dale kicked us out... This is definitely not the F1 I had envisioned. AND we were missing half of Williams, Jag, Ferrari (hello?!?), my half of BAR-Honda, and all of Renault!!! You guys have seen NOTHING yet!

TC stock was a blast, even if Dale set the time to 6 minutes and my pack only went 4 after the lame TQ. The wings and beer never tasted so good, even if the Yankees won and Dusty didn't know we existed... Now tell me that Dave Hill has found an R/C track that has a bar THAT close to it like Summit has and good times like these? Sunday will be a blast. Thanks for the good times brothers!

-Sean

Great pictures Seth. How come that guy setting in the Ferrari looks so concerned? Could it be because he will be having to race against his teammate soon? I have to admit the F1 main was one of the best races I have seen for quite a while. Congradulations to the winner Brad Mergy and a great job of driving by both Brad and Ben, they were never separated by more than 1 1/2 seconds the entire first 25 laps. Also thanks to the other drivers for letting those two around cleanly which shows a lot of driving skill and class on their part too. See everyone next tuesday.

He's not concerned he's scared.

-Jason

Including Seth, I saw about 4 guys taking pictures at the track last night. Please send any digital photos (or links, if you have them stored online) my way for posting on the website. Pictures of the cars on the track, or just the cars themselves would be great.

scottaheath@comcast.net

Thanks!

Racing Schedule?? We race on sundays at noon. Check out our calender at http://hometown.aol.com/sheath9831/raceway.html. If you can let us know ahead of time I think some of the guys would race with F1 you. Tamiya Type A tires seem to hook up real well on the carpet. The speedshop at the raceway have these in stock.

I work late in Indy so Tuesday nights are out for me. However, road course on Sunday may be the ticket... I had an old set of Tamiya decals for the 1989 Tyrrell driven by Jean Alesi that I put on a new F201 body... Are you using a spec 19t or an adjustable timing 19t motor? Also, which gear set is everyone using with the stock chassis? One last question. When is the next Sunday you plan to race road course?

Sorry I didn't get back to you on this earlier. Tuesdays are understandable, driving 4 hours to race for 3 during the week generally isn't a great idea, but you're welcome to try! The Tyrrell would be welcome on Sundays, as would anybody.

The motor is open to any 19 turn, fixed or variable timing. The fast guys here have gotten the new Revolution motor so they don't have to do as much maintenance. I believe the high speed gearset is choice right now, but there is no gearing limitation either.

I believe we are racing every Sunday at noon from now until April. Tracey, what time does the track open? Who is running this weekend? Will we have a Fergie/Harp sighting? Who is bringing TC/F1/12th?

-Sean

I'm closing on my new house today :)

-Jason

track opens at 9am sharp and if I have help the track is ready about the same time our chargers are done cooking. racing at 12 noon

hope to see more people each week.

tracey

Today was a great day of RACING :thumbsup: at Summit raceway with a low trun out, but racing did happen. we had 10 12th scale stock and 3 touring stock as I said low turn out but great racing. lots of out of towners great to see all of them show up with out them we would have just tested again things are looking good. racing started at 12:30 late but we were done by 5:15 Ron Ferguson won 12th and Karl Womack won Touring. we are hopping for more to turn out in the upcoming weeks. So to all that did not show today get your stuff out dust it off and lets go racing. Summit is sure to have some very close and compititive(sp) racing all season long and don't forget the Nov. 14th U.S. indoor champs warn up race this one will be good don't miss it. :eek:


Tracey

What's this?!?! I go out of town for the weekend and we fall to page two??!!!?? Who is showing up tonight? TC? F1? 12th mod?

-Sean

F1 baby!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe touring if enough people show.

Sean, you buying beer and wings tonight? It's my birthday. HeHe.

Karl

F1 baby!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe touring if enough people show.
Sean, you buying beer and wings tonight? It's my birthday. HeHe.
Karl
I will buy wings and beer even if it isn't your birthday, whether or not I buy wings and beer for you too is another question.

Are you going to actually have a paint job on that F1 or will it be Captain Carbon Fiber again? Ralf's reign has to end and you are the guy to do it. I'm just hoping to make the A tonight and whoop on some slow red cars.

-Sean

TC? F1? 12th mod?

-Sean
Yes, yes, yes. I guess I should limit myself to 2 though.....

So how was the racing last night. Was there a good showing for the F1 class?

Chris

So how was the racing last night. Was there a good showing for the F1 class?

Chris Hi Chris, we missed ya last night. Yeah, there was hotly contested qualifiers for F1 and the A main was pretty much dominated by Brad Mergys Williams BMW. Although he cruised to a win I'm pretty sure he was sweating tech inspection as he just barely passed ride height. Nine F1 cars showed but only eight raced. We were told last night the points series will start the first tuesday in november. I should be ready to go next tuesday (finally!). I will probably be off the leaders pace but that other Ferrari will probably become the number two team car soon :p. Thanks to everybody that came last night and my apologies for getting things started late. What we will do in the future to help get things started on time is let people call in that are running late so we can go ahead and register them. We do this on the weekends and it really seems to work well. When doing so let us know if we need to make any changes on your frequencies, personal transponders,etc. Also if they arrive too late for the first race we only charge them for the races they run. :thumbsup:

A great night of F1 racing! One more race night before the start of the 4 race F1 short series. Now we need more touring car and 1/12 scale racers out to run with us.

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe last night we decided to run the upcoming F1 points races twice a month.... the 1st and 3rd Tuesdays of the month. That would give us a 4 race short series thru December, and then a 10 race 2005 series beginning on January 4th. The other weeks of the month will still offer the F1 class, but just not as points paying races. EVERY Tuesday is touring car and 1/12 scale night, as well as EVERY Sunday.

Man, I hope that tuesday wasn't a sign of things to come for the Mclaren team. Car handled pretty well over last week, then in the main, the motor gives up. Things should be back on track this next week though, but we'll see. Brad is looking pretty strong, right now.

Karl

PS: Thanks for the beer and wings Sean.

So how was the racing last night. Was there a good showing for the F1 class?
How about showing up and getting a first hand account? Just kidding! We had fun, only F1 showed up though. Another Brad, Ben and Karl showing.

PS: Thanks for the beer and wings Sean.
Not a problem brotherman! You need to keep Team International/Harvester/Navistar (whatever they are called this week) off of the podium.

Now we need more touring car and 1/12 scale racers out to run with us.
Amen. We run real R/C racing at Summit, we ALSO run F1 for fun. Where are all those Touring Cars that were out here last year? There were so many of you I had to get one just to have someone to race with. Now nobody shows up? Shake it kids!!

-Sean

Another Brad, Ben and Karl showing. Hey! Your teammate took third, thank you. Wait 'til I get the new motor mount and counter gears installed!

I've got the electronics installed now in the touring car and 1/12 scale so whatever comes up, I'm ready.

Hey! Your teammate took third, thank you. Wait 'til I get the new motor mount and counter gears installed!
WOW!! Ouch! Sorry, I should have checked the results before I said something. Nice podium finish! I guess I didn't notice because I was too busy marshalling the A after being bumped out of it by my teammate. :cry:
I've got the electronics installed now in the touring car and 1/12 scale so whatever comes up, I'm ready.
Very cool. My 12th scaler is getting built shortly. We need to concentrate on bringing in a healthy TC contingent for Tuesdays and Sundays, we seem to have 12th and F1 rolling along quite nicely.

-Sean

How about showing up and getting a first hand account? Just kidding! We had fun, only F1 showed up though. Another Brad, Ben and Karl showing.


Not a problem brotherman! You need to keep Team International/Harvester/Navistar (whatever they are called this week) off of the podium.


Amen. We run real R/C racing at Summit, we ALSO run F1 for fun. Where are all those Touring Cars that were out here last year? There were so many of you I had to get one just to have someone to race with. Now nobody shows up? Shake it kids!!

-Sean

Sean

Hope to be there next week, my mom had a stroke over the weekend and have been at work or the hospital most of this week, she is getting better so I should be back next Tuesday.

Chris

Sean
Hope to be there next week, my mom had a stroke over the weekend and have been at work or the hospital most of this week, she is getting better so I should be back next Tuesday.
Chris
I hope she is OK. Take care of what you need to do, this is just a hobby. We'll still be here when you come back.

-Sean

Where is the Sunday race recap?

-Sean

sunday recap.
drove to wabash. loaded the truck. drove to fort wayne. unloaded the truck. returned the truck. got a new power cord for the dryer. put stuff away. went to bed.

It was a race to get the truck back in time.
-Jason

Sundays racing (sorry so late) here goes. car count 16 total with 10-12th scale, 4 touring cars and 2 18th scale car/trucks, racing was good we got started at 12:30 and done by 5pm some racers from MI and OH + locals. turnout still low but that will change soon.. this weekend more of the local 12th scalers will be comming out to get their season started. As for Sunday Brad Mergy TQ & won 12th scale and Karl Womack TQ & won touring.
the track is getting better every week. I will be gone this weekend (sisters wedding) but Ron Ferguson and Karl (if he is on time) will run the show.
we are now looking for more touring cars and a few of the F1 guys to come out on Sunday.

12th scale seems to be getting big in Ft. Wayne so if you don't allready have one you should come out and take a look at these cars they are fun to drive and if we get more running then that will allow some of the guys to run more than one class...

I must say thanks to all that came out this weekend and for putting up with the few scoring problems. :hat: most of which was my fault but I am learning so thanks for putting up with me. :tongue:

Tracey

so who's all showing tonight?

-Jason

so who's all showing tonight?

-Jason
Or to be more precise, who is showing all tonight?

-Sean

If you are I'm not going to the track.

-Jason

2004-2005 Summit SARC F1 rules forth coming. If you have any suggestions for the SARC F1 2004-2005 rules please PM them to my office. The subjects are; points, tech, teams, race structure, other. Thank you, that is all.

Vic Macky

Another great Formula 1 race last night. In the A main Karl got his McLaren off to a 3 second lead early but was never able to expand on it. By lap 20 Team Ferrari driver Seth Barrand had it down to under 2 seconds and shortly afterwards Karl misjudged the turn coming out of the triangle sweeper and Seth passed for the lead and held on to take the win by .98 seconds. Team Toyota drivers Matt and Eric Rienold rounded out the top four positions. In the B Main, BAR team drivers Scott Heath and Sean Bushnell battled for the lead but in the end Scott finished strong and pulled out the victory while Sean went out early with speed control problems. Thanks Sean for heading this series up. See everybody next tuesday and don't forget roadcoarse action every sunday.

whats this? Seth beats Karl!!!



that is not the look of fear in his eyes. That is the need for speed.

thanks for messing up karl I needed that win, just for me.http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/attachment.php?attachmentid=11846

Great turnouts for roadcourse at Summit! We had a big class of 1/12 scale racers Sunday along with touring cars. The competition is great, with plenty of racers at all levels of experience. After watching the racing on Sunday, I heard at least one racer say that he was getting a 1/12 scale car to join in the action.
Turnouts for Tuesday club racing have been good so far this year too. This Tuesday, November 2nd, begins our first Formula 1 series. With 15 racers signed up for the series it should make for a big night of club racing. Touring car and 1/12 scale classes are also available on Tuesdays along with the F1 races.
Looking to the future, Summit Raceway is planning their 3rd annual New Year's Day race on the roadcourse. This year's race is going to be bigger and better, by offering the option of a second day of qualifying. There will be a number of qualifiers run on Saturday, but Sunday will offer more qualifing and the mains. If you can only attend on Sunday, you will still have opportunities to qualify for the mains. More details to come as they are finalized.
Also, don't forget the Cleveland Champs warm-up race at Summit Raceway on November 14.

Here are the proposed rules for the 2004-2005 seasons. Please discuss any errors or omissions on this forum and address them to the Office of the Commissioner.
Sincerely,
Vic Mackey

Tech:
Overall length: 425mm
Overall width: 196mm
Overall height: 98mm
Minimum clearance: 4mm
Weight fully equipped: 1,486g
Wheel base: 280mm
F201 based 4WD chassis, kit stock or aftermarket (3Racing or Cross)
19-turn arm, any can
No One way diffs
Any bearing
Open Gearing
Open battery, we will want them to be a stick pack configuration VERY soon
Must have a pre-approved current year team paint job and stickers etc.
Must use F1 grooved rubber tires (Ride, Pits, Tamiya, Square), grooves must be visible.
No changing, opening or removing the motor during race day. If this rule is violated for any reason the perpetrator will start from the back of whatever heat they are in AND whatever main they qualify for. The cars CAN arrive at the track without a motor, but once competition starts it can’t come out without penalty.

Race:
5-minute heats, 7 cars to a heat, two heats and a main.
For the initial points series we will bump from the B to the A only and only if the B main winner chooses to bump up.
The starting grid will be determined by fastest time in the first two qualifiers.
The seventh starting spot in the A will be determined by the winner of the B main.
With 15 cars we will have 2 heats of 8 each. If there are less than 15 we will divide the field into two halves, A and B.
Points:
There will be two championships per season; driver's and manufacturer's.
Driver's Championship:
20 points for an A main win. Decreasing by one for each following finishing position. The winner of the B main will bump up to 7th in the A. 2nd place in the B main will be considered 8th overall with 13 points, B main finishers’ points decrease by one per position. C main winner DOES NOT bump up and is considered 14th finisher with

1st 20 points A main winner
2nd 19 A main 2nd
3rd 18 A main 3rd
4th 17 A main 4th
5th 16 A main 5th
6th 15 A main 6th
7th 14 A main 7th ( or B main winner )
8th 13 B main 2nd place
9th 12 B main 3rd place
10th 11 B main 4th place
11th 10 B main 5th place
12th 9 B main 6th place
13th 8 B main 7th place
14th 7 C main winner
15th 6 C main 2nd place
16th 5 C main 3rd place
17th 4 C main 4th place
18th 3 C main 5th place
19th 2 C main 6th place
20th 1 C main 7th place
Manufacturer's Championship
Based on the cumulative driver's points for each race by team.
Teams:
Ferrari ------------- Dale Monroe & Seth Barrand
Renault ------------ Jason Pfeiffer & Kirk Hughes
BAR Honda ------ Scott Heath & Sean Bushnell
Williams BMW -- Brad Mergy & Josh Monroe
McLaren ---------- Karl Womack & Chris Oldfield
Sauber ------------- (OPEN call The Commish)
Jaguar -------------- Ben Puterbaugh & Todd Schmidt
Toyota ------------- Matt Reinhold & Eric Reinhold
Jordan -------------- Tim Rasnick & (OPEN call The Commish)
Minardi ------------ (OPEN call The Commish)

Commish,

Motor thing - what’s the point of having the person run last in the in the qualifier if we run ifmar starts?

Current year thing - I'm pretty sure the BMW's and the Ferrari's aren't running current "2004" stickers. I want to see someone tell those red cars they can't race :) People have lost their SARC memberships for less!

Sincerly,
Fantasy F1 Racer

Motor thing - what’s the point of having the person run last in the qualifier if we run ifmar starts?
The penalty should be assessed for the remainder of the race night. This rule is in place to try to keep the race night short and on time. Its effect is intended for the mains, but should be in place for the entire night.
Current year thing - I'm pretty sure the BMW's and the Ferrari's aren't running current "2004" stickers.
Must have a pre-approved current year team paint job and stickers etc.
The "pre-approved" statement in the rule would be the loophole that we use to get around your concern. But with that statement, all paint jobs must go through the Office. If the Commissioner isn't available that week for any rules questions please consult my field liason; Sean.

Any other concerns?

Sincerely,
Vic Mackey

Sorry about walking out quickly on Sunday guys. I had to take the kids trick or treating and my mind wasn't on the stand for the A main. I pulled it before I wrecked it or someone else. Congrats to Brad and Karl! First F1 points tonight! Vic said I can answer any questions you might have tonight. If I don't know then I will have him get back with you.

-Sean

Summit Formula 1 11/2/4

pos pts name

1 20 Brad Mergy Williams

2 19 Ben Puterbaugh Jaguar

3 18 Josh Monroe Williams

4 17 Karl Womack McLaren

5 16 Sean Bushnell BAR <-- Bump up from B main

6 15 Scott Heath BAR

7 14 Seth Barrand Ferrari

8 13 Eric Reinoehl Toyota <--B main 2nd place

9 12 Matt Reinoehl Toyota

10 11 Tim Rasnick Jordan

11 10 Todd Schmidt Jaguar (DNS)

Manufacturer's points:
Williams 38
BAR 31
Jaguar 29
Toyota 27
McLaren 17
Ferrari 14
Jordan 11

Check the standings anytime on the website. Go to 'results', then 'F1 standings'.

Or ===> http://hometown.aol.com/sheath9831/f1standings.html

So what is the 12th scale turnout like on Sundays? I will be driving back through that area and want to race on Sunday.

JAMIE; 12th scale trunout has been great, last Sunday we had 16 stock now some will run mod if enough show up but untill after cleveland Champs most will run stock. 16 is the biggest week so far also a few of the locals that have not made it out yet, so I feel that the turn out will be better in the weeks to come.

Bud; the F1 class is very cool the cars look great and with some work they get around the track well. Bud have you thought about coming over? the Cleveland warm up is coming Nov. 14th that would be a good one to come for.

Tracey F.