You're supposed to decide Sean:) From the sounds of it nobody wants 'Super Stock' 19T but most want 19T modified. I think the Super stock or spec 19T will be more expensive and time consuming b/c you will have to work harder to get the power out of the motor and next thing you know we'll be changing brushes every run.


"You're supposed to decide Sean". Boy are you the lucky one! :wave:

Matt Reinhold gave me a call tonight, and asked me to express his opinion on the F1 class. He's having some problems with the forums allowing him to post.

The rules should specify 19 turn motors, and rubber tires. Also, regarding swapping bodies and changing teams, if anyone touches my Toyota bodies, I'll break their fingers.
There you go Matt, I hope I correctly expressed your feelings.

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I think the burden of proof falls on the racer to prove it's a 19T; if there's no tag pull it to show where it's printed on the arm. I do think we're getting a little carried away with this though, these things are all going to be a little much for the car when geared properly and it was tough to take off .5 a lap with an 8T relative to stock with a touring car that was glued to the track.



OK, what arms come with that nifty 19 spec (YOK19) or whatever tag? If we can agree that the arm has to be easily identifiable as "X" or we can say you have to have "X" arm, then tech will be easy and everyone has to be honest - or seriously motivated to cheat at fun. I want to look in the vent hole of the motor and see that tag, plain as day. If it isn't there you are DQ'd. What arms fit this category?

-Sean

I guess I see the F1 thing as a group of guys that are already racing, wanting to try something different on Tuesday, along with their class of choice. It's a car I can stick a battery in, run it and have a ball, and pretty much leave it sit as-is until the next heat. Are we getting too far away from the original intent of the class?
I don't remember where, but I read a post regarding what a racer did in his F1 series at a different track. He bought 1 battery pack, put it in his car at the beginning of the season, soldered the connections, and didn't remove it until after the last race of the year. That's an extreme case, but it illustrates the kind of simplicity I had imagined for this class.
The above quote was just my idea for the class, nothing that was agreed upon by the majority or anything.
Yup, this was and still is exactly what we want, you are absolutely right. I believe you can take the car you have Scott, put the lightweight gears in it and a 19-turn stock based motor, and run in the top 5 out of 20 cars. I believe you can run F1, dust off the car, start the next battery, marshal, and hang out for the rest of the time.

I will pit your BAR Honda if you want to run 12th at the same time, being that I am your teammate.

I want some clear rules so we all have a structure to operate in. If this makes F1 more like the IROC series then so be it. I want the fight to be on the track, not in the pits or the tech stand. This isn't really getting more complex than originally intended, I just want clear definitions to avoid a series ending brawl down the road.

In all honesty, Brad, Ben and Karl will most likely be the top 3 to beat, they are the talent in this series. Kind of like when the IRL first started out, no Andrettis, Unsers, or real talent, they just crashed every 5 laps for 2 seasons. LOL!

-Sean

What's up guys??!! No CRL down at the Summit this year?? :confused:


I was looking forward to the pre CRL party the night before at the bowling alley next door and the tity bar!! :wave:

What's up guys??!! No CRL down at the Summit this year?? :confused:
I was looking forward to the pre CRL party the night before at the bowling alley next door and the tity bar!! :wave:
Good times brotherman!! Maybe we could get Keith to come back next year, after all he was the stage show :jest:

-Sean

Maybe we could bring the show to the track.

There are plenty of other tracks in the region that have a ceiling support pole right in the middle of their tracks that the ladies could use. Fortunately, or unfortunately for some, we don't have to look around obstructions to race our little cars in Fort Wayne so the floor show wouldn't be very interesting. Plus, I think Dale would have a problem with it on multiple levels.

-Sean

any gear recommendations for monster stock motors in 12th scale and tc3?

Hooray, now I can post!

For the F1 cars Lets just leave the rules as follows...
Rule 1 19 T motors
Rule 2 Rubber tires.
That's it and we will reevaluate it for the second half of the winter season. We don't have to make it any more complicated than that, even if Ben is going to race F1.

If there is a decision that needs to be made taking a vote would be a piece of cake. If you have an F201 and race on Tuesdays (or are registered for our league) you get one vote.

As far as the body swap goes, I have spent too much time and money getting our bodies made up. I will NOT trade bodies irregardless. I am sure that there are others that find the idea of swapping bodies odd, but are too polite to point it out.

On another note...

F1 Decals, I emailed "The Nige" on Formula1-rc's forums and asked if he would be willing to reprint some Toyota decals for me, I requested 2003 or 2004 decals. He seemed very happy to help and reprint them. But I did not try to order them through Formula1-RC. If you register on their forums you will be able to e-mail him, he contributes to most of their forums and was very helpful. Those of you who have seen our F1 cars can attest to the fine job he did on the decals.

Looking forward to Tuesdays
Matt

That's pretty much it plus

3. minimum weight (just b/c it's possible to shave a lot of weight off these)
4. max width (b/c it's adjustable and going way wide provides and advantage)
5. any 6c battery (yes mine will use side by sides)
6. open gearing (Seth already has it, and it's cheap)

BTW the V2 endbell kits for yokomo based motors are at great planes now, so you don't even need to buy a V2 to get the low maintenance now.

Hooray, now I can post!

For the F1 cars Lets just leave the rules as follows...
Rule 1 19 T motors
Rule 2 Rubber tires.
That's it and we will reevaluate it for the second half of the winter season. We don't have to make it any more complicated than that, even if Ben is going to race F1.

Have you guys actually been running these cars on the carpet?

Have you guys actually been running these cars on the carpet? Hi David. I think there's been four that I know of that have driven their cars on carpet. I drove mine for about a year and a half before putting it in the raceway display case for a year. The cars drive pretty nice and look realistic but can be expensive. The idea of team racing sounds good to me. It will be interesting to see how it goes this year racing them.

I asked because we were talking about it at Hobby Town in Indy yesterday. We weren't sure if anyone had run these cars, yet, because the 19T thing sounds wild to me. Anyway, there are about half a dozen guys in Indy running them in the Hobby Town South parking lot racing on Saturday afternoons. Will Nichols wondered if you would let any of them run with you if they showed, but weren't on any of the teams you have established. More questions. As for me it is only 1/12 scale. What Tuesday do you start?

I have no problem with that. its like the world superbike guys raceing with the AMA superbike guys you do not get points for your point race or from their point race. You are there to just race. The only thing that would mabee make some one not like that is if some one from indy say takes 1st well then the points that say I could have had for 1st place now no one gets.

this is a topic that needs looked

seth

Personally, the chance to race with other F1 drivers would outweight the few points I might not get when they finish ahead of me. Racing with new people is always a good thing. But you are right, Seth, it is something that needs discussion. I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from racing with us at anytime, points race or not.

Beginning of the season you need to set a deadline for all that are in the point series. That way no matter where they finish they are the only ones getting points. If you finish 3rd in the A but are the first in the point series then you get first place points and so forth. That way it doesn't matter who runs the series all the people going for points are going to get the points no matter what.

David Lee: First Tuesday is Oct 5th. first Sunday is set for Sept 26th racing on sunday starts at 12 noon for now if crowd gets big then we will start sooner..

looking forward to running with you again this year

Tracey F

I have no problem with that. its like the world superbike guys raceing with the AMA superbike guys you do not get points for your point race or from their point race. You are there to just race. The only thing that would mabee make some one not like that is if some one from indy say takes 1st well then the points that say I could have had for 1st place now no one gets.

this is a topic that needs looked

seth I'm thinking they will probably want to come up from Indy on a sunday and I believe the points series is tuesdays only. Also I will be talking to Dan at HobbyTown north sunday and hopefully I'll have more info on this.

David Lee: First Tuesday is Oct 5th...

Tracey F
Scott's previous post...
Correction... the first Sunday road course race will now take place on September 26. Any thoughts on Tuesday the 28th?
Which is it now? I thought we were on for the 28th?

-Sean

Will Nichols wondered if you would let any of them run with you if they showed, but weren't on any of the teams you have established.

Tuesdays are the only day we have talked about doing all of the point and teams hooplah for F1. If they want to come up and run for points on Tuesday nights, we still have 5 spots open. I guess some of our guys are planning on running the F1's on Sundays too, I am not. If they want to come up and try on Sundays, there are no points or teams issues, just run a 19-turn. Tell them to come on up!

-Sean

I plan on running F1 on Sundays also if enough people want to run.

Has anyone noticed that the stock gear ratio between the Ferrari and the BMW is different. The Ferrari is 7.15:1 and the BMW is 5.88:1. I am not sure if that makes much of a difference or not.

Jaguar announced yesterday that 2004 will be there last season.
For mor information go to www.formula1.com

Jaguar announced yesterday that 2004 will be there last season.
For mor information go to www.formula1.com
Dang, Ben is out of a ride already!

-Sean

Is the track going to be open on Sunday and if so what time?

Well I was going to open up the track Sunday from 1-5 pm but I will not be able to do this now. so sorry the track will not be open Sunday unless nick or tracy can do it.

seth

also the track will be set up for oval from now till the start of onroad that is for the oval guys to get one week of practice in.

Now I will have more incentive to claim one of the Red cars!



Dang, Ben is out of a ride already!

-Sean

Sean
Are ceramic bearings allowed?

Sean
Are ceramic bearings allowed?
Good question. How are we going to tech them if they are illegal?

-Sean

Ben says that you can tell by weight. I just want to know before anyone spends the money and then can"t use them.

Sean
Are ceramic bearings allowed?The only cars that would put that kind of money into a Tamiya F1 car are Ferraris. :)
I plan on keeping mine as stock as possible just to prove that you can win with a close to stock car (assuming I can win a race) ;)

Since Jag is pulling out of F-1 does that mean there is only 3 spots left? Must suck to not even start racing and the sponsor pulls out. Looks like we will either have a full Sauber team or a pair of Minardi boys.

-Jason

The only cars that would put that kind of money into a Tamiya F1 car are Ferraris. :)
I plan on keeping mine as stock as possible just to prove that you can win with a close to stock car (assuming I can win a race) ;)

I think this is a good point. If you are intent on running at the front and don't mind the $125 price tag, go for it. If you feel you are OK with the stock bearings and a little massaging, then that is cool too. I don't want to have everyone teardown for tech, it takes away from beer and wings time. If someone has a major problem with leaving the bearings rules open, speak now.

Since Jag is pulling out of F-1 does that mean there is only 3 spots left? Must suck to not even start racing and the sponsor pulls out. Looks like we will either have a full Sauber team or a pair of Minardi boys.
I think we can let them run Jaguar this year. We'll see if someone buys the team for next season.

-Sean

that's no fun letting ben still run the Jag. He looks more like a Sauber driver. Just kidding Ben.

-Jason

The only cars that would put that kind of money into a Tamiya F1 car are Ferraris. :)
I plan on keeping mine as stock as possible just to prove that you can win with a close to stock car (assuming I can win a race) ;) I agree with Brad. For most roadcoarse racing I would think if you would want to free up the rolling resistance just take the bearing shields off and replace the grease with a drop of oil. I'll be surprised if most of the guys do that for the F1 racing. Me personally, I'll spend my money elsewhere on my cars.

Are we running our first Tuesday night on the 28th or the 5th???????

-Sean

I wouldn't bother getting ceramics for the F1 cars. At most, just soak the kit bearings in a cleaner, blow them out, and re-oil them with a good bearing oil. Corner speed for these cars is not going to come from the bearings, but from setup. :)

-Rich


Sean
Are ceramic bearings allowed?

Well If we leave it open the ceramics will probably be in my car sooner or later, and at least some of them fit in one my other cars, so I'll have an excuse as to why I bought bearings for $6 per to put in a Tamiya.

Jason, YGPM

We originally said that the indoor season would start the first week of October. Someone pointed out that the last offroad race is Sept. 25, so why not have the first Sunday race on Sept. 26. Same would go for the first Tuesday. No reason we can't start on the 28th for the first night. Anyone opposed to Sept. 28 as the first night of racing?

The 28th sounds good to me.

1/12th and tc's on tuesday also?

1/12th and tc's on tuesday also?

Yes 1/12th scale and tc's will also run on Tuesdays.

1/12th and tc's on tuesday also?
Which do you plan on bringing?

-Sean

both, i don't know if i'll be able to make the first week. i'm finishing the mars series that weekend.what time does racing start on tuesday?

7PM, practice opens well before that

Who's running what on Sunday?

-Sean