Sean, I agree with you on most issues, except the points. As far as drivers points are concerned every driver is on thier own, but for the constuctors championship I think that only the top finishing car should count towards the championship. Heres why. Everyone can't race every week. This way if your teamate can't make it for whatever reason, the team still has a chance. Also I think that points for the drivers should be 8 out of 10 or what ever the length of the series minus 1 or 2 drops. ( Lowest finishes, or zeros for missing a race or two.) What do you guys think?

Karl

I also disagree with bump ups. That one person has an extra chance, over every other driver, to do well.

Karl

not to sure if i like the bump up either? unless you ie b main winner can change your motor and already had a batt ready, i just dont see it working very well, time wise.

Every thing is great! I like to drive this car so much it hurt when you guys are not there and I am testing on my own, and I have to look at karl just sitting there with his cap head broke off in the rear end of his car.

guys i would like to not see the point system get out of hand, like way to complicated I mean I can't even spell rite half the time KISS Keep It Simple Stupid "that comment is not directed at any one it just is a statment"

I also disagree with bump ups. That one person has an extra chance, over every other driver, to do well.

Karl
This isn't an "extra chance", it is a realistic 1st chance. This is the only way to race your way into the win. If you are the fastest car out there and get hacked all around in your qualifiers you won't make the A. If we set up the night by running the B, then TC, 12th, and then the A, you will have 23 minutes to get your car ready, if it isn't on the line, then too bad. If you are qualified at the top of the B, you should have a second battery charged in time for the A, if you want to bump. The only drawback is someone else will have to marshall for you. If anyone opposes this and then complains about the result during the season, I will be in your face.

The points don't matter. Make them 1 point apart with 1st getting 20 and 20th getting 1 point. The ratio matters, I think we should award the podium with more points.

...but for the constuctors championship I think that only the top finishing car should count towards the championship. This is a team effort, not the best of the team effort.

I am open to whatever you guys want to do, I'm there for the beer :thumbsup:

-Sean

Im with Seth lets keep it simple. Lets not forget why this series was started to begin with. Fun, beer and wings.

hmm... sounds like you guys will be ripe for the pickin by the end of the night with all that beer drinkin. and with this bump up thing it who will have time to race and charge batt's and run to the beer/wing joint this will be a great points event...

And where do you buy those girls in the team outfits that hold the umbrella's?
976-BABE...
KISS Keep It Simple Stupid "that comment is not directed at any one it just is a statment"
I'M OFFENDED!! ... Wait ... no, sorry... that was just gas...
...with all that beer drinkin. ...this will be a great points event...
We hold these truths to be self evident.

-Sean

Help my here, guys. You are running on-road racing every Tuesday night for 1/12 scale and touring cars. Every other Tuesday will be this F-1 points series. F-1 cars can practice during the Tuesday that is not their points night. The F-1 cars will be using rubber tires. The 1/12 scales and touring cars will be using foam tires. Am I correct with this summary? Did I leave anything out?

Correct David! We will have 12th and TC every Tuesday on foam tires. The F1 circus will be the 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 4th Tuesdays, in addition to the 12th and TC. It would be great to have you run with us.

-Sean

Ok, let's run a short F1 points chase from October to December to work out the kinks, then another from January to April. If we get this all set we could run a full season next year September to April. We can try different points configurations and try the "To bump or not to bump" question.

I suggest we start with 1 point increments with 20th place getting 1 point and 1st getting 20 points. I eventually would like to see a greater reward for finishing well. We can also compare the results to see the difference between combining the team points or just taking the best finisher for the manufacturer's championship. I would like to try the bump feature as soon as possible because it looks like we will have two nearly full heats from the start. Have the A set with the last qualifier empty if the B winner wants to start shotgun on the field.

I hope you recognized the Delcaration of Independence in my post before this last...

-Sean

David,
Yes, that's correct for Tuesday nights. But this season we will also have road course EVERY Sunday at noon also. Sunday is the day I expect the "competitive" 1/12 and touring racing, hopefully drawing racers from the surrounding areas. 3 heats and a main, where on Tuesdays there is only time for 2 heats and a main.

Sean,
Sounds good to me. I agree that the 'short series' thru December will give us a chance to work out the bugs, and see what we like and don't like. That will still leave us 4 months to run an 8 race series.

Help my here, guys. You are running on-road racing every Tuesday night for 1/12 scale and touring cars. Every other Tuesday will be this F-1 points series. F-1 cars can practice during the Tuesday that is not their points night. The F-1 cars will be using rubber tires. The 1/12 scales and touring cars will be using foam tires. Am I correct with this summary? Did I leave anything out?
Is it practice or a none points race? There is a diffrence!

Is it practice or a none points race? There is a diffrence!

Once we have everything set and our cars are set up, I won't be running my F1 on non-points weeks, but 3 makes a class and you guys could run for fun.

-Sean

Correct David! We will have 12th and TC every Tuesday on foam tires. The F1 circus will be the 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 4th Tuesdays, in addition to the 12th and TC. It would be great to have you run with us.

-Sean

Atleast you got the circus part right. :D

I post this here before I put it on a sale forum (since I won't be able to race with you guys):

2 F201's for sale, 1 NIB (2 body kit), 1 raced last summer & includes: Carbon body, unpainted new body set, universal axles, motor plate, lightweight diffs & counter gears, turnbuckles, heavy duty driveshafts, 2 sets Pit tires + 1 set NIB, loads of spares incl. reinforced arms. All for $210 & I'll be in FW on Sept 19, so I can deliver.

PM, or e-mail me if interested...I won't clutter up your thread any more than I already have.

Thanks, Denney

If Ben Puterbaugh doesn't buy it I will.

I'll take that off your hands.:) ; and I'm local so I'll get it from you on the 19th.



I post this here before I put it on a sale forum (since I won't be able to race with you guys):

2 F201's for sale, 1 NIB (2 body kit), 1 raced last summer & includes: Carbon body, unpainted new body set, universal axles, motor plate, lightweight diffs & counter gears, turnbuckles, heavy duty driveshafts, 2 sets Pit tires + 1 set NIB, loads of spares incl. reinforced arms. All for $210 & I'll be in FW on Sept 19, so I can deliver.

PM, or e-mail me if interested...I won't clutter up your thread any more than I already have.

Thanks, Denney

Good deal!

So if I show on Tuesdays, will I be the only 1/12 scale?

There should be a few 1/12ths there, Sunday will be the big 1/12 day, but there's still open F1 spots too, but you'd have to get a Tamiya f201, no Corallys allowed, actually no ROAR national champ F1 drivers either.

I nominate Sean to be the rules guy. He decides on how the points work, and any technical rules about the cars. BTW I think the ceramic bearings shouldn't be allowed. The 19T modified rules from this year's ROAR book followed on the motor armature.

I agree with Grinch. Sean is the one that first started the Formula 1 racing talk and series ideas to begin with so if he has the time and wants to head this up I think he should be the one to do so.

So if I show on Tuesdays, will I be the only 1/12 scale? Good to here from you David, I hope you've had a good summer. If you know in advance you are coming up on a tuesday and post it on this thread I'm sure some of the guys with 1/12 scale cars will want to be sure and run that class also that night. Thanks for the posts.

The last time SARC elected someone they were never allowed to step down, just ask my teammate! He's been club president for his "1 year term" since 1997 or '98? LOL!! Scott has the patience of a true saint!

I would be happy to take this thankless job on, if you guys want me to. Speak now or forever... whatever. I will try to establish some common ground, I will cut taxes, raise a powerful army, drink more beer... no, sorry... I got carried away. I think the cars will be fairly easy to agree on technical issues.

I think the points and the bump are the biggest rubs right now. If we divide this season up into Oct - Dec '04 and Jan - April '05 we can then try two different ideas. I think we should try the more controversial bump up and points first because it will become evident very quickly whether or not this is a feasible plan. If it isn't we can quickly change and run a full season.

I would like ideas and opinions of all the drivers involved.

-Sean

I plan to run 1/12 scale every Tuesday, in addition to F1 every other week.

0:-) :)

Why are we still awake at this hour???

So if I show on Tuesdays, will I be the only 1/12 scale?

If you can let us know in advance, Scott and I will at least be there. It would be fun to have you there. I know of at least two others who will need some help and pointers, but would be willing to run with us. I would like to run 12th on the off-F1 weeks. I will be running 12th just about every Sunday. I wanted to start this F1 fiasco because of the lack of 12th interest and because of the labor intensive, time crunch of running 12th or TC on Tuesday nights. Now a points chase and some rules and we have a vibrant class. Why hasn't this been done with TC or 12th before?

Yeah, Scott, why are we up this late?

-Sean

Because we can't wait for RC Fomula 1 season to start ?? :p

Dale, YGPM

I plan to run 12th scale on Tuesdays and most Sundays.

Chris

Ben

Do you want both of the f1 cars? If not let me know soon and I will buy one from you.

Chris

Ben, you should try 1/12 scale. You don't know what you are missing.

You should keep your on-road racing on Sunday. Josh Cyrul know ownes the track in Toledo and it is looking real nice. Some, including me, are trying to convince him to run on-road on Saturday. That makes it so we can race at both places on a weekend.

David,
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you post, but I want to make sure everyone understands Summit's schedule for indoor racing.
Tuesday nights - road racing
Saturday nights - Oval
Sunday afternoons - road racing
So we are racing Sundays, and I don't expect that to change. Again, sorry if I misunderstood your post, but it seemed like you thought we were not racing on Sundays. On-road every Sunday, AND Tuesday. Oval Saturdays.

Isn't there a Saturday oval race too??

Ooops... I got my days mixed up. Oval is Saturday, not Friday. Fridays are practice. I corrected my previous post.

You should keep your on-road racing on Sunday. Josh Cyrul know ownes the track in Toledo and it is looking real nice. Some, including me, are trying to convince him to run on-road on Saturday. That makes it so we can race at both places on a weekend.
Josh is going to be racing on Saturdays. Any intrest in 12 th scale Mod?

This just in Todd Schmidt from International/Navistar just bought the Jaguar F1 car on Ebay. This class is going to be huge.

20 is the limit.

-Sean

Brad, YGPM

-Sean

Just got a phone call. Bernie Eccelstone is requiring each team to pay a $500 sanctioning fee to race in this new series. Please make checks out to Summit Raceway and I will personally see that he recieves them. Thank you. :rolleyes: :p

Indoor track will continue to be set up for on-road through september 18. September 19 though 25th oval will be set up. Every week starting september 26 roadcoarse will be set up sunday thru tuesday, sundays and tuesdays being racedays and mondays being open practice. Looks like we could see a resurgence of 1/12 racing at Summit Raceway this season. That and all the interest in Fomula 1 this looks like a good year for on-road. :thumbsup:

It's amazing how much 12th scale has changed 12L4 (http://www.rc-car-museum.de/1_12_Modelle_aus_aller_Welt/USA_-_Associated/Asso_RC_12_L/asso_rc_12_l.html) It use to be a battery and motor war. :cool:

Ben
Did you get my reply to your E-Mail?

Chris

Yes I did. Done deal.

This just in Todd Schmidt from International/Navistar just bought the Jaguar F1 car on Ebay. This class is going to be huge.
Is he taking the Jaguar team?
Yes I did. Done deal.
What team are you left with, Ben?
-Sean

Jag I guess; but I think after the initial series the first place driver should have the choice of which team to be for the next series, second gets second choice and so on. On motors: I think the chameleon 19T machine wound spec armature should be the only limitation. I plan on running mine in an orion revolution can and endbell so that I won't have to cut the comm and change brushes for a week or two or three.

SO far for rules:

Min weight: XX.X oz
Width: xxx MM
Ride Height: 3 mm

Gearing: open?
Motor: 19T machine wound tagged arm(chameleon/reedy); adj timing cans allowed
Tires: Any rubber
Battery: open
ESC: open
Oneway: No?