Correction... the first Sunday road course race will now take place on September 26. Any thoughts on Tuesday the 28th?

Well I did a few test runs with the F1 today and ran two sets of gears first set ( all runs where with a 19t chameleon 2 & 64 pitch gears ) was 88 / 20 and it was so low that top motor speed was met almost instantly, next was 88/25 combo and still to low of a gear setup but this time it was closer to the right set up I am going to try two teeth up on the pin on thursday. Also I am going to set up a road track I think on Monday. The heat issue was not a problem atleast yet. I ran a full battery on the car with the 88/25 and the motor was not very hot at all. I could hold my finger on it, that I can not do after a touring car run. So any way I do need to go up in gearing.

seth

How often are we looking at running f1? Until I move I know I won't be able to race that often.

-Jason

Seth,
The standard Tamiya gears are a 55/20 (2.75 ratio), and the high speed gears are a 52/23 (2.26 ratio). To equal these 2 ratios with your 64 pitch 88 spur you would have to run a 32 pinion (88/32 = 2.75), or 39 pinion (88/39 = 2.256). Quite a bit up from the 20 and 25 you tested. You may need to find a smaller spur (is that possible?) if you don't have the giant pinions.

Jason,
Every other week racing was discussed originally.

Correction... the first Sunday road course race will now take place on September 26. Any thoughts on Tuesday the 28th?...

Jason,
Every other week racing was discussed originally.

That is still a month away! We were talking about having an F1 points race twice a month, the other Tuesdays would be non-points, practice type stuff. Every Tuesday is also having regular 12th and Touring action.

I am in for the 26th and the 28th. Who is in for Tuesday night 12th and/or TC? Stock, 19-turn or open mod?

-Sean

When are we looking at starting the points race? End of oct. is going to be the earliest that I can race on Tues. Since I live over an hour away if racing got over at 9:00 I wouldn't be home till after 10 and then I would have to be up around 4:30 and that is if my 6 mo old didn't get me up before then.

-Jason

I had a great test session today at the track.... I found that the tamiya A tires are not that great and the pitshimizu tires I ran are great I mean they almost hook up like they where foam!!! and ase a side note and very cool factor after one to two laps when they start to warm up they will squeel like real tires in a hard turn. any way the gearing I used was 64p 88-30 (2:93) karl ran his high speed gears (2:26) and I seemed to run the same speed on the straight but more testing needs to be done with other guys f1's there so I can get a better gear set up. I do like what I have now the motor does not get super hot I have a lot of punch and I did run the same ase karl on the straight. Any way you guys need to get your cars out hear.

seth = super F1-driver

the tires I used and recomend to all is the pitshimizu tires Medium compund front and rear.

seth

Hey Hustler. How about just giving points to the best finisher on a team. That way on the nights both racers on a team can't be there they won't be at such a disadvantage. Just a thought. :rolleyes: I hear Matt's got their Toyota F1 bodies painted, can't wait to see them. Oh yeh, check out Barrands white lettered tires on his Ferrari next time your in the raceway. This guy's so clever it scares me sometimes. :p

JuggaloRC, after talking to some of the guys I would say november would be the earliest for the points series but that would be up to Sean and the others.

I found 85-81-and 78 spur gears so I am going to try 81-30(2:70) which is pretty much the same as stock tamiya gears. After a few runs with karl when he got his car set he did pull away from me on the straight. the heat diff from his car and mine was not that different any way I am going to gear up.

As a side note, those tamiya gears are loud!

Tim placed a order for his pitshimizu hard front and med rear tires tonight.

seth

Seth- Since when does Ferrari post their testing results on the web? And I hear talk that Michael Schumacher isn't going to dominate this year? Did he get hurt? I also heard from a good source that BMW (Montoya) is going to have a good showing this year :-D

you C We can post our tests hear since when we get you on the track we are just going to hack our way to the front. lol.

you are right about Schumacher. This is the year of Berrichello.....

So Brad you got your F1 yet?

seth

you are right about Schumacher. This is the year of Berrichello.....
seth[/QUOTE] I also heard from a good source that BMW (Montoya) is going to have a good showing this year :-D

Hm-m-m-m. We will see.

you are right about Schumacher. This is the year of Berrichello.....
seth I also heard from a good source that BMW (Montoya) is going to have a good showing this year :-D

Hm-m-m-m. We will see.[/QUOTE]I thought I would get a reply from Dale ;-)

I am working on getting one. I have some homework to do before I purchase anything.
Is the 3racing stuff better than the Tamiya stuff? I would like to just buy the upgraded kit and not have to buy a whole bunch of stuff. But, if the 3racing stuff is better I will just buy the standard kit and get the 3racing parts.

Dale

What's the web site for the f1 information you were telling me about? Also what teams are left.

Chris

Let's see if I can remember....

Ferrari - Dale Monroe & Seth Barrand
Renault - Jason Pfeiffer & co-worker
BAR Honda - Sean Bushnell & Scott Heath
Williams BMW -
McLaren - Karl Womack & ?
Sauber -
Jaguar -
Toyota - Matt & Eric Reinhold
Jordan -
Minardi -
Unaffiliated drivers and possibles....
Tim Rasnick
Chris Oldfield
Brad Mergy

Anyone correct me or add to the list if I missed someone.

www.formula1-rc.com (http://www.formula1-rc.com) is probably the website Dale was talking about.

Chris,

www.formula1-rc.com for R/C F1 stuff and www.formula1.com for the real stuff.

I know all of Ferrari, BAR, Renault, and Toyota are taken and 1 McLaren. I believe someone is talking about a Williams and someone else is talking about Jordan. That leaves Jaguar, Sauber, and Minardi as far as I can remember.

-Sean

...Berrichello..... Barrichello, but who's counting?

Thanks for the info

Let's see if I can remember....

Ferrari - Dale Monroe & Seth Barrand
Renault - Jason Pfeiffer & co-worker
BAR Honda - Sean Bushnell & Scott Heath
Williams BMW -
McLaren - Karl Womack & ?
Sauber -
Jaguar -
Toyota - Matt & Eric Reinhold
Jordan -
Minardi -
Unaffiliated drivers and possibles....
Tim Rasnick
Chris Oldfield
Brad Mergy

Anyone correct me or add to the list if I missed someone.

www.formula1-rc.com (http://www.formula1-rc.com) is probably the website Dale was talking about.

I take the other Mclaren car.

Has anybody checked with Nick's to see if they can get hold of the Pit Shimizu tires before we all go sending our $$ to some far off online hobby shop? For anything else related to the F1 class for that matter. No shipping and handling charges. What is "handling" anyway? Do they juggle the parts before putting them in the box or something?

Has anybody checked with Nick's to see if they can get hold of the Pit Shimizu tires before we all go sending our $$ to some far off online hobby shop? For anything else related to the F1 class for that matter. Yup, they're in the process now.

I believe that Brad Mergy is going to be Montoya for Williams.

I just want to say that the Pits tires seem to be the best choice by far. Seth let me try Medium Rears and Medium Fronts, this set up was borderline twitchy, but felt pretty good. Hard fronts might be the best choice for most. I ran the Medium Pits on the rear and the harder Tamaiya type A on the front. This felt pretty good with just a touch of a push. Also gearing is still off. I am running the high speed gear set and the ninteen turn winds out pretty quick on the straight. But, I also have the timing on my Fantom 19 turn set at about 12 degrees to save the com. Motor temp seems to be managable, kind of like what we get, when we run stock pretty hard. I will be testing a possible fan idea. Like the associated fan for the TC3.

I will say that F1 is shaping up to be pretty fun. I can't wait.

Karl :thumbsup:

a list needs to be made up and posted at the track

Ferrari - Dale Monroe & Seth Barrand
Renault - Jason Pfeiffer & co-worker
BAR Honda - Sean Bushnell & Scott Heath
Williams BMW - Brad Mergy &
McLaren - Karl Womack & chris oldfield
Sauber -
Jaguar -
Toyota - Matt & Eric Reinhold
Jordan - Tim Rasnick &
Minardi

Add your name or a name that you know will be on that team.

remember guys that this is a team set up for pionts. You need to make sure your team mate even wants to be on the same team.

seth

remember guys that this is a team set up for points. You need to make sure your team mate even wants to be on the same team.

seth

Geez, I have no clue what Scott was thinking then...

-Sean

Why do you think that I didn't want to be on the same team as Sean.

-Jason

a new racer has singed up for the season. I have posted a sing up list at the track right by the hobby shop door, so if any one wants to sing up just do it there or post hear and I will change it at the track if I remember. Hey Jason Pfeiffer what is your co-workers name?

Ferrari ------- Dale Monroe & Seth Barrand

Renault ------ Jason Pfeiffer & co-worker

BAR Honda --- Sean Bushnell & Scott Heath

Williams BMW - Brad Mergy & Josh Monroe

McLaren ----- Karl Womack & chris oldfield

Sauber ------

Jaguar -------

Toyota ------ Matt Reinhold & Eric Reinhold

Jordan ------- Tim Rasnick &

Minardi ------

Seth, how exactly do we "sing" up to race. I thought we signed up to race. HeHe.

Karl

karl sorry about the type O.....

Karl I am now convinced that the tires I once belived to be tamiya type A are in fact ride tires and since they are of a harder compound than my pit Med tires I think both front and back are the ride hard compound. The only tires fourmula1-rc sells with the bridgestone logo is the ride and that guy only bought his stuff from there. Any way maybe the tamiya type A tires are better. Just thought I would let you know that they are ride hard compound.

seth

Just to let everyone know about the first failure that I've experienced with my F1 car. I hope that this isn't a sign of things to come for the Mclaren team. :( But, anyway the bolt that holds the diff together broke. The head of the bolt snapped clean off. It looks as though the bolt is Metric 1.5 cm long by 1.5mm wide. I might try and drill out the diff to fit a 2mm wide bolt of the same length. Dale said that this is a common problem with the diff. He recommended using the lightweight diff set. But before I do this I will try my fix. If it works I'll let everyone know. to replace the bolt, to save time and aggrevation later.

Karl :thumbsup:

Karl
Check out www.mclaren.co.uk/. Its the official site for team mclaren.

Chris

Whew! Glad that sing up thing is resolved. I can't carry a tune.

Karl,
That's not the lightweight diff you have already? I assumed that would have been one of the hop-ups in the tuned chassis kit. I didn't really check into those options, though.

No Scott, the tuned chassis kit does not come with the lightweight diffs, or lightweight gear set. I have also had the counter gears develope a lot of slop, which the lightweight gear set will fix. Other than that the car is awsome. It is so much fun to drive.

The tuned chassis kit does include:
1) CVD axles front and rear $60.00
2) Aluminum lockers for the front and rear $68.00
3) Aluminum shock bodies front and rear $29.00
4) Front and rear damper piston sets
(these are a must have item for the shocks) $14.50
5) Aluminum motor mount and guard $33.00
6) Racing spring set $5.75
7) Turnbuckle set $6.25
8) Reinforced lower arms $10.50

Total $227.00 Plus the price of a kit $155.00 = $382.00
This makes the tuned kit at $295.00 a good value.

This doesn't mention the exta body

Karl :thumbsup:

thank you karl, for that enlightening calculation.

what is the policy on how excactly our f1's have to match our teams car?
I am Jordan, my car body is yellow, with close decals.

Timmy!!!

You are on the forum! Good.

hmm you may want to ask our commissioner that one.

Karl?

Anybody want Jaguar?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44022&item=5919700507&rd=1

-Sean

who wants jordan?

hmm you may want to ask our commissioner that one.

Karl?

...I don't think Karl will or should be the commissioner ...

Just to let everyone know about the first failure that I've experienced... I hope that this isn't a sign of things to come... The head snapped clean off. It looks as though it is Metric 1.5 cm long by 1.5mm wide. Dale said that this is a common problem... I will try my fix. If it works I'll let everyone knowto save time and aggrevation later.

Karl, you are gross and need counseling... this is an R/C forum and kids read this stuff...

-Sean

LOL you are rite he is talking about a rear end.

We need to come to a concensus on the Summit F1 rules. Please post your F1 rules ideas/areas of concern. Minimum weight, 19 turn (fixed or variable timing), hop-ups, batteries, tires, points, whatever. Let's get an idea on who wants what.

-Sean

Chassis modifications are NOT limited to Tamiya stuff

Any 19 turn or higher wind

Need to come up with a minimum weight

Rubber tire

6 cell any configuration

Minimum height (can't drag on the carpet)
Has to be an F201 car, can't be a pan car F1


This is just my opinion. I will have parts not made by Tamiya on my car.

any f201, mod chassis or stock

any 19 turn motor 19 turn only

rubber tire, any f1 treaded tire, after a fair amont of testing tires I have found that you can get almost any f201 rubber tire to hook up (except the b type kit tires, they are junk) so as for limiting every one to one tire that should not be a issue.

any six cell battery

the driver of the F1 has to make a effert to color and sticker there car like the team they have chosen. It does not have to be perfect just close.

Great ideas! I want no part of this series to be TCS legal, so I agree with Brad. We definitely need to have a minimum weight (kit stock weight?) and minimum ride height. I feel we should have a 19 turn only motor limit, fixed or variable timing allowed. I like Seth's comment about the paint schemes, and the treaded F1 rubber tires. The battery issue I am divided on. There will have to be some serious modifications to make an in-line pack work with the 3Racing chassis and I don't believe you can make it work with the Tamiya chassis. Yet, I don't want to have to buy MORE F1 specific equipment, meaning stick packs that serve no other purpose for me. No tire warmers, I think they are goofy and costly (like this series). Open pinion and spur.

I think points should have a 5 point separation for 1st thru 5th, 4 points 6th through 10th, 3 points 11th through 15th, and 2 points 16th through 20th. 20th place will get 2 points, do the math from there. I feel we should pay points 1 through 8 or 10 for the corresponding finishing spots in the A main depending on how many we feel should be in each main. Points for 9-16 or 11 through 20 would be the finishers of the B main. We should also allow the B main winner a chance to bump up to the A. That way everyone has a shot at the win. If you didn't beat the B main winner, you never had a chance in the first place so shut up! I also think both cars should score points for the overall team championship. This will promote a team feeling and make cooperation more critical.

Thoughts?

-Sean

How do you (not you personally :) plan on doing the bump up from the B? I don't think this will work on a Tuesday, there just isn't enough time for someone to charge a battery and let the motor cool down. It's a great idea and it works good with gas racing but it's hard to do in electric.

Also, I'm trying to get a backup driver right now for the BMW team incase one of the primary drivers gets injured/ car breaks/ driver doesn't show up. Were serious about winning. Also when can we rent the track for private testing :-) And where do you buy those girls in the team outfits that hold the umbrella's?