I'll have to do some talking but I should be able to make it on tues.

-Jason

Nick's Hobby Shop has two F1 kits in stock now. One with the Ferrari body, and one with the Williams BMW body. Of course the bodies are clear and unpainted, so they are ready for any team colors and sticker sets.

I'll be looking to sell my F-1 stuff soon, & I'll be in FW over labor day (parents still live there). 2 kits, one still NIB, the other I ran last year (has some Tamiya hop-ups), would include lots of spares, including upgraded front arms. PM me if interested.

Denney

Hi everyone,

Just read all of the latest posts reguarding the F1 racing. I'm glad that there is all this interest. Sean and I have had quit a few discussions on this topic.
I think that we pretty much agreed on a few things. I am a true believer in the 19 turn idea. The kit stock motors are junk. I drove Dales car once or twice and that motor does the F1 class no justice. 27 Turn stock isn't that much better. We wanted a class that somewhat resembles true F1, and taking a Sunday drive with a kit stock motor is not quite what we had in mind. That is why 19 turn was considered. No one can say right now what gearing is going to work with the motor, but testing will show. Tires are the same way. We will need to do some testing to see what tires will work best. Once we find out what works then it will be just like touring and 12th scale, everyone will get the tires that the faster guys run, and then we could make a tire rule that supports that tire. For right now, we just don't really know what will work, and to say we need to run this or that is not the best idea. Testing will give us the answers that we are looking for.

As far as the points go, I believe that points should be awarded for overall finish. If someone in the B main runs better than someone in the A main then that person should get the points. It does happen in real F1 that someone further back on the qualifing grid takes the win. But, I think that there should be some kind of a points bonus for qualifing well.

Just my thoughts.

Karl :thumbsup:

As far as the points go, I believe that points should be awarded for overall finish. If someone in the B main runs better than someone in the A main then that person should get the points. It does happen in real F1 that someone further back on the qualifing grid takes the win. But, I think that there should be some kind of a points bonus for qualifing well.
Karl
The tires and the motors will work themselves out as we get to know the equipment. I hear your point about the mains and I disagree. If we try a qualify/heat/main type format we might be in good shape. 1st heat: IFMAR start, fastest single lap determines order for the 2nd heat, heats are reshuffled for next round... 2nd heat: Sets order for mains like normal R/C rules... Mains: Finishing order in A Main is championship points paying positions 1-8 (or 10 or what we determine), order in B Main pays points for positions 9-16, etc... Maybe we could have the B Main winner bump up? What do you guys think?

I say one motor rule maybe if we find we can get practice, 2 heats, and a main without hurting them to bad. If you do bump ups that person is going to fry a motor or melt a chassis.

Karl, the car you drove had a stock motor in it. The kit motor was never installed in my F1 car. I wouldn't sweat the tire thing, any good tire will hook up on our carpet and wear will be very little. Have you got your F1 yet? I thought Denny's post looked interesting. Anyone with extra Ferrari decals or body parts if you will see me I will pay a fair price for them.

Hustler, I don't think bump ups is a good idea for a points series. It gives that one guy a second chance. Not really fair to the rest of the field.
I still believe that overall finish is what its all about. If someone in the A main breaks he should not recieve more points than the person who finishes strong in the B main. Qualifying well does have it's advantages though, you will run with better drivers. The Midwest series that Ben runs and that I have run, do it that way. Its scores for overall finish, but they also score for qualifying.

20 pts for TQ
19 pts for 2nd
18 pts for 3rd
17 pts for 4th...........

80 pts for most laps in main
75 pts for second most laps
70 pts for third most laps
and so on.
100 points max for TQ and win.

If you qualify first in the B main then you would get between 10 and 12 pts depending on the number if drivers in the A main. 8 or 10. But you finish with the most laps, then you would end up with a max number of points of 90. But the A main TQ and winner finishes with the second most laps, would have 20 pts for TQ and 75 for second most laps, giving him a total of 95 points and the overall win. Does this make sense. This way drivers in the B main know that they can have a good points finish if they do well in the B main.

This scoring system seems to work very well.

The only other way, that I can think of to really be fair to everyone is to have everyone run in the A main.

Karl :thumbsup:

Well here is the deal. Orange Arrows F1 might not get to race if he doesn't get a job and get money. Kinda like the real TWR and Orange Arrows F1. So if anyone knows ofr employment plues feel free to let me know.

I believe that I win for most realistic to the real F1 team. And no I don;t have a drivers suit.

Thanks

Brian

McDonald's is hiring qualified crew members to join their exciting team. You probably wouldn't qualify though?

McDonald's is hiring qualified crew members to join their exciting team. You probably wouldn't qualify though?
Ouch! Is your food prep resume updated? This is a Wayne's World moment,"..and this is my extensive collection of hairnets and name tags!" Wow!


-Sean

I say one motor rule maybe if we find we can get practice, 2 heats, and a main without hurting them to bad. If you do bump ups that person is going to fry a motor or melt a chassis.
I absolutely agree with this.
I don't think bump ups is a good idea for a points series. It gives that one guy a second chance. Not really fair to the rest of the field.
I still believe that overall finish is what its all about. If someone in the A main breaks he should not recieve more points than the person who finishes strong in the B main. Qualifying well does have it's advantages though, you will run with better drivers. The Midwest series...
I have no interest in changing the F1 points structure. I like the points model and I think it adds authenticity to the series. I agree and disagree with the bump up deal. If the A is set with 7 instead of 8 cars then the whole field has a chance at the overall win, just like the real deal. If you have a bad qualifier and end up in the B, your night isn't over. I think the bump is a good idea in theory, but the technical issues (added heat and wear) and the extra time it would take to wait for the bump up driver to get ready is a big downside. Other thoughts on the issue?

-Sean

McDonald's is hiring qualified crew members to join their exciting team. You probably wouldn't qualify though?

Yeah over qualified. I applied to be a store manager at a Goodyear Service center and they said this position (the highest one at the store other then owner) is for GED or HS level people. I thought that was funny.

I can't work in food as the profits seam to disappear.

lol, that's why you never take your car to one of those places!

I absolutely agree with this.

I have no interest in changing the F1 points structure. I like the points model and I think it adds authenticity to the series. I agree and disagree with the bump up deal. If the A is set with 7 instead of 8 cars then the whole field has a chance at the overall win, just like the real deal. If you have a bad qualifier and end up in the B, your night isn't over. I think the bump is a good idea in theory, but the technical issues (added heat and wear) and the extra time it would take to wait for the bump up driver to get ready is a big downside. Other thoughts on the issue?

-Sean

Sean I would agree with you an keeping it as close to real F1 as possible, but F1 doesn't have an A and B main. Someone in the back of the pack could win the race. If we keep this in mind, than the overall laps finish is the best idea.

Karl :thumbsup:

Sean I would agree with you an keeping it as close to real F1 as possible, but F1 doesn't have an A and B main. Someone in the back of the pack could win the race. If we keep this in mind, than the overall laps finish is the best idea.

Karl :thumbsup:

Right now in the real deal no one from the fourth row back has any chance of winning unless the big red machine qualifies slow, with a full load of fuel!!

If we do it your way then there is no reason to have a qualifier in the first place. Your method turns the whole night into one big time trial, I don't like it. The bump up rewards the fastest in the B main by giving that driver the shot at an overall win. No one else should have a shot. If we choose not to do the bump (which has its problems too) then the heats should set the position with the A main drivers on top and the B main drivers after, or we freeze the top 3 in the A and the rest goes by time.

I won't be able to be there on Tuesday night, a good friend of mine just passed away and I will be going to his services.

-Sean

Sorry about your friend Sean. We can set another date later when your ready.

Sean, sorry to hear about your friend.

I really don't mind how we run the races. We could just stay with the current touring car format, with one exception, to try and run longer mains maybe 8 minutes.

We could just continue this debate at one of the meetings. Let me know.

Karl

Thanks guys. I should have a F201 in about a week or so. It's possible we could have a 3 car test next week some time. Maybe you guys could do this tomorrow anyway?

-Sean

Looks like it's going to be around the first of the year before I can pick up a car since I am building a house. Would anyone have a problem with me driving my f103 till I can pick up a f201? I'm just wanting to run as soon as possible.

-Jason

I think the F103 on foam will be a huge advantage over the F201 on rubber. Direct drive vs. 4WD? Forget it! We'll figure something out. Will you be able to get batteries and an ESC before then?

-Sean

Jason,
http://www.teamtekin.com/service_request.asp

$40 to get your G-10 going!!

I was already planing on geting my G-10 fixed. I do have rubber for my 103 to keep things even. I think I might be able to come up with a couple packs won't be anything special though.

-Jason

Aren't you guys going to stick with 'spec' stick packs?

Aren't you guys going to stick with 'spec' stick packs?
It's open right now Ben, but we may change it later. The Williams Team is still open!

-Sean

What aboot Jaguar? I ran the rollout and it came out pretty favorably for a Monster stock at 1.01" w/62 mm tires, 2.75 internal ratio and 55 spur / 20 pinion. That's based off of this

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCPV9&P=0

If that burns up motors the tires may be expanding or it could be just the heat from that plastic jacket tamiya built around the motor or just the heat off the asphalt. BTW those revolution endbells that are coming out with will greatly reduce motor maintenance. On a 14T full mod revolution it's supposed to be a conservative 12+ (25?) runs between comm cuts, and 19T would be better yet. Thing is the enbell is going to cost 2/3 of the motor but the highest wind available is the 14Tx2. If you set the motor limit at 19T; just leave it at that so that an adjustable timing 19T can be used and so can the rev endbell with the goal being near 0 maintenance on weekly basis. Better motors will also decrease the battery importance b/c i think 19T would about be the limit with this chassis and rubber tires on a tight carpet track.

It's open right now Ben, but we may change it later. The Williams Team is still open!

-Sean

Why don't you just drive the Sauber or the Menardi and be done with it Ben. lol

-Jason

Maybe just leave the team rights to the finish in the first race, everybody could run the carbon body the first race; after that it would greatly simplify my paint job :)

The thing that will really throw batteries out the window is the fact they use rubber tires. There isn't the traction that foam provides so the amp draw is no where near as high. Plues the tires do slide and that leads to a lack of traction as well.

Yeah that's basically what I mean. Once again I agree with Brain :)

This is out of control. Next thing you know Karl is going to agree with Ben.

Just drink the Kool Aid

What me agree with Ben! Well it could happen, I guess. Just kidding, Ben and I do agree more than you guys give us credit for. Anyway, I agree and support the 19 turn idea 100% I don't want just another touring car class. Also you guys might be suprised, rubber tires do hook up pretty well on carpet. I've seen it done in touring.

Also, I read that Orion and Peak have a stock version of thier new motors in the works.

Karl

8 minutes TC?!? I wondered why that mirror and razor blade was in your pit!

Sean, sorry to hear about your friend.

I really don't mind how we run the races. We could just stay with the current touring car format, with one exception, to try and run longer mains maybe 8 minutes.

We could just continue this debate at one of the meetings. Let me know.

Karl
He's talking about F1; 8 minutes maybe with 3600s and brushless stock, anything else I think you can forget it.

I wondered why that mirror and razor blade was in your pit!

No you didn't, you wondered if you could borrow them.

-Sean

There's no room in the cardboard box. lol

-Jason

Hey ben this is mark Rodney in detroit. If you get this message try calling me at my work phone number 586-492-0201. Its about the detroit race and if you are comming up. I am usually at this number till about 6:oo.

8 minutes TC?!? I wondered why that mirror and razor blade was in your pit!
Hey Jerkie... In Asia they run 8-minute MOD Tc... some crazy stuff....

Hey Jerkie... In Asia they run 8-minute MOD Tc... some crazy stuff....


8 minute Mod???wow We can hardly get 6 to 7 minutes from stock.. I see lots of dumping going on.. :freak:

8 minute Mod???wow We can hardly get 6 to 7 minutes from stock.. I see lots of dumping going on..
Sure, I guess anybody can putt around for 8 minutes, we used to with the 1700s and before. I would be curious to see how many laps they could make in those 8 minutes compared to how many you freaks make in 5. Leave the fuel mileage to the gas guys...

Hey ben this is mark Rodney in detroit. If you get this message try calling me at my work phone number 586-492-0201. Its about the detroit race and if you are comming up. I am usually at this number till about 6o.
Ben, you making booty calls again or is it another way to make some cash for the racing budget?

-Sean

Ben, you making booty calls again or is it another way to make some cash for the racing budget?

-Sean

LOL! Your killin me!

Add $1.00 for a tossed salad.

well I got a F201 just need a body now. the on that came with the car is yellow and missing the nose piece.

seth

Seth, YGPM

I will be in the area come the end of the Month. What days do you guys race in Fort Wayne. Carpet that is. What classes do you run? From Kansas City and want to race while on vacation. If I can make the time and day.

Thanks

Tim

Indoor carpet racing turnout been real small in the last month. So we haven't had enough to race lately. Until october 2 the only possibilities are oval on fridays. Check our calender on our website. http://hometown.aol.com/sheath9831/Augustcalendar.html

I noticed while getting to watch some of the F1 race sunday that the Williams BMW team went back to the old front nose design. Did anybody hear why?

Could it be that the even older front end wasn't working?

Hey guys,

To anyone who is interested in running the 2nd annual NORCAR Halloween Classic in Cleveland, OH this year, here is the entry form.
http://www.clevelandcarpetracing.co...n%20Classic.doc (http://www.clevelandcarpetracing.com/NORCAR%202004%20Halloween%20Classic.doc)

Thanks,
Jim Herrmann:thumbsup:

Indoor carpet road course will be starting soon at Summit R/C Raceway.
Sunday, October 3 - First Sunday Race - touring car, 1/12 scale
Tuesday, October 5 - First Tuesday club night - touring car, 1/12 scale, Formula 1