great racing every body. I had lots of fun this weekend. the 4 cell stock was a good turn out, good clean racing. I my self actually finished a race tonight. Last week end i only ran 49 laps but with Jason Crists, Bob from detriot, and Rockin Bob13 gave me some advice. I turn my car around and ran a 56 laps at 4:00.75 I have to thank these guys for helping me out.

And the guys i ran against tonight good racing to all of you. Hope to see you next week same place same time.

Next saturday Nov. 13 anyone racing that evenings oval racing will be able to race sunday's cleveland warm-up on-road racing for free. We are expecting a big turn out from out of town that weekend for both races so remember on saturday as always we will begin racing at 5 pm sharp. Sunday's warm-up, track opens at 9am racing starts at noon. Thanks.

Jason L,I don't remember what it was that I suggested for you, but whatever it was, I'm happy you found it useful. Happy Racin'. BC

We now have a new address for the Summit R/C Raceway website...

http://summitrcraceway.com

If you have bookmarked our old address at
http://fwsarc.8m.com or
http://hometown.aol.com/sheath9831/raceway.html
update your bookmarks to the new address.

Look for more changes in the future.

hey guys looks like the racin is gettin good. due to my wife and I new adventure in life I am gettin rid of all my r/c stuff. I have met a lot of great people at the track and I am sure I will be back. anyhoo if anyone is looking to get some xtra stuff or knows someone who is wanting to get into r/c with not a lot of cash let me know.

harry boggs

Shoot me an e-mail with what ya have for sale rottnbkr@tds.net Thanks

ya what you got to sell?

smokefan and yokman check your pm

a few racers talked to dale lastnight and dale came up with a 4-cell sportsman class for the guys that are off a few laps ....break out will be running more that 55 laps for 2 or 3 consecutive weeks .....

Well Kevin....if there is no 4 cell sportsman class formed for those of us that are struggling like myself....I'm done and won't be back racing at the Fort. I sat down over dinner Saturday night, and all day today and came to this conclusion. If no sportmen 4 cell, my stuff including my pit tools will be going up on the auction block! After 16 years of this, and nights like saturday so far this season it ain't worth it. It wasn't fun dealing with somone talking crap to me on the driver's stand, seeing my car basicly go nuts on me hitting the wall head on full bore......and some other things I car not to discuss......

If and when my stuff hits the auction block, serious inquiries only. No looky loos...no trades..and no I pay you later crap....all prices firm!!!!!!!! If you want it bad enough, show the bling bling and it is yours.......otherwise it will all go to EBAY and the highest bidder wins.........

Kris Fowler

smokefan and yokman check your pm

Right now I'm gonna have to pass I have a couple other projects I'm working on plus I just started racing rug Soo I'm gonna be pretty busy

Yokman e-mail me about a price

alright i'll be there in a couple weeks and looks like i'll be running 4 cell sportsman with ya
the last time i was there i only ran 55 in the main........

mover over kris here i come


on a serious note
Kris what are you thinking ?
you know as well as i do that changes don't happen over night
give things time and they will work out for the better

give Dale time to get rules and info on another class and the time to get it started.

i agree 100% with you on starting a new class for those who are off the pace
we both know if thats what class you start in you won't be it long

so anyway i'll see everyone one at end of month .

Quick question the Indiana state race has 4 cell stock as a class...
is there going to be a sportsman stock or all the 4 cell stock guys running together ?

thanks
jason

LOL I've seen how you stuff hits stuff. You think someone would want that legacy to buy it?LOL LOL LOL

if there is no 4 cell sportsman class formed for those of us that are struggling like myself....I'm done and won't be back racing at the Fort. Whats the point of starting a new class for the guys that are struggling? The guys that are not struggling are in the A main. Then the ones who were close are in the B and if you're struggling, you probably end up in the C. Thats how its supposed to work. When I first started in Oval, I wasn't in the A main at all for a couple years. I remember being extremely happy to win the B. Lately, if a group of guys aren't winning, they start a new class so that they don't have to try very hard to win.
Kris, you're a great guy, and I'm not pointing this toward you. I've seen tracks go down because of too many classes. This is how it starts. If 5 of you pull out of stock and make a new class, than the remaining guys in stock are possibly going to have the "struggling" guys in their A main because there's only 5 left in stock. Pretty soon everybody has a class, and theres only A mains left. Everybody get sick of it, and they either quit, or find a place to race where there won't be these "struggling" guys in their main.
I know its tough trying to move up in a class where the top guys have $3 million worth of equipment, but it's all in the chassis setup anyway. As an example, I loaned a 19 turn motor to a guy Friday that i haven't run or rebuilt in a year and a half (Paradox can, machine wound arm, junk brushes). I used the latest greatest combo of a motor. Our cars were extremely close and he even ended up beating me with that old a$$ motor. Both of us had new batteries. It was driving and chassis setup that beat me.

Kris, you've given a lot to the hobby, and don't quit, just work on it!!!!!!!
I know you can do it, bud. You're just frustrated right now.
Dave Z.

Dave Z I agree the only way guys get better is run with the better drivers, but
the guys who are off the pace shouldn't be running in mains where there are 4-5 lap difference.

this i believe is the problem here
you have 12 guys running in 4 cell stock
and 5 are 3-4 laps faster than the field.
so if you just take those 5 to A main then that makes 7 to the B main.
or do you take 6 and 6 to the mains and then you have the one driver who thinks he can win it in the first turn and takes out 2-3 cars.
So there race is over, because if you've raced anytime in 4 cell stock any little wreck means your chasing.

thanks
jason

jason....it not that we dont want to race the fast guys me and kris both want to race them ....we just fell like we are road blocks and we are busy moving for the fast guys ...i just want to get may car back to 55 laps and then i will fell like i have a shot with them ...i finshed 2 races in the last 2 weeks with a ill handling car you dont want to be in the way ...i got turned last week and one went thru me and busted a new rear bsr ....i know that is going to happen ...i feel like i will be in sportman a few weeks til i get the handle back to this new car ...

but at the state raced i wont enter sports man cause it not me .....
kevin

jason i going to e-mail you for some advice...

ovalrookie----Kevin


I was on your side on this issue.

I e-mailed ya back try it and let me know


I know you have a 55 or even more 57 58 .....60?
in your car i seen it run.
try that set-up and after your happy with corner speed then worry about batteries, and motors

CORNER SPEED
is everything in all classes in oval
power will come


let me know on that set-up

then after set up right go to this web site and check out there batteries
They are awsome
i run them and power the hole run

even for you 19 turn guys
this company has 19 turn motors
Ti based hand wond

http://leadingedgerccars.com/

thanks
jason

Why not get a few practice nights in? Thursday, Friday? I understand how busy life makes us all, but all it would take is one good night of testing to get your cars to 55+ laps. Then all you would have to do is spend Saturdays fine tuning for those extra laps. Preperation is the key, if you do your homework I gaurantee it will pay off.

Now I am by no means a chassis man but after 2 weeks of ever running a pancar on carpet I have manged to pull a 57 lap run. Luck or not and as I have told both you Kris and Kevin, I am more then willing to offer any kind of help I can. Any given Thursday I can be at the track to help you wrench. There just isn't enough time to get it right on Saturday. Email me or call and I will be there.


As far as a sportsman. Why not just do some kind of sorting after each set of heats. I know it is more work for Dale but overall it would take less time and effort then running a seperate class. Also what if you had a good night and happen to luck out on the setup, wouldn't you like to have a shot at the A-main drivers? Any driver will get faster when running with faster drivers. I personaly like to see at what part of the track I am losing to the other drivers. Entry? Apex? Exit? Gears? Comparing laps for laps isn't going to help you tune your car to be better for a entry or exit problem.


Brian

Kris and I are friends. Only meant with the LOL bit in there. I'm sure they don't want mine for the same reason.

Anyways.......Jason email me the setup you gave kevin.....and we will try that......I will give this stuff another try.......but if it don't work I'm hanging it up for a while.........maybe for good!! Racing, Doing races, website....all of it.....

Kris

And Bob......no offense taken, but the ripping can only go so far dude before I snap.....and that is what has been happening.........I'm snapping

wow see what i'm missing.lol..... kris it took me a couple of years before i was even close. take it easy. my best advice would be shut the mouth, and open your ears. most of the "fast guys" will help you..... that is IF YOU LISTEN. you have one of the best cars on the market. learn how to use it. i am not slamming you just being brutally honest. chris good advice......

Kris!!!!!!!!
What the hell?????? I can't believe what I am seeing on here!!!!!! Now why would you want to hang it up... I just met you the last season at the velo and I know you have common sense that it takes time to get things the way you want it.... I know when you 1st ran at the velo you didn't run a 17 lap run 1st time around did you??? If you did... you got dayum lucky!!!! I know it gets frustrating but man I know you got the right stuff and I know you got the capablities... u just need patience!!!! Trust me it will come!!!! Shoot I remember when Hobbytown was running... it took me alot of runs just to get 4 laps just to be a contender.. It took alot of practice and getting to know how your fellow racers are willing to work together to keep it a clean run.. It takes a clean run to have a good race.. Also try to stay consistance on your laps times.. the more.. the better... I know you are a competitive racer and I know you can do it..Learn from the big guns who are fast... I'm not a big gun... but I can be fast... See you in 2 weeks.. who knows I might need your help getting fast!!!!

Metal

what you said hit it on the money.

if you guys didn't read his responce go back a page and read it.

The last thing on that would be you can't re-sort after every run, but you the person putting heats together know who's fast and who's off the pace.
Don't put them in the same heat. Then after the 2nd heat re-sort.
If a guy over a few week period looks like he's getting faster move him or her up.


Kris
Hey since you run a KSG i would get in touch with Dusty Kemp (National Champ) since he runs the same car he would help ya with a set up.

If not get inn touch with me or i'll be up there in a couple of weeks and we can talk.

later
jason

Take this for what it's worth:

Sharing setups isn't the way to go!

8 times out of 10, taking one 'fast guy's' setup and slapping it on your car WILL NOT HELP! Everyone drives differently, and everyone needs to run a setup that tailors itself to their driving 'issues'. Mine, like most, is that I over drive the car; so putting a soft setup on the car would make the car pitch too much since the front springs would be constantly compressed. Besides, while you may think you have the 'whole' setup, you rarely if ever, get ALL of the information.

Instead, listen to what your car is telling you, try changes you are going to feel (2 rounds of wedge or 2 jumps of springs instead of just one), and most importantly, TAKE NOTES!!! You will never remember what you did to the car in this or that circumstance that made it do X Y or Z. Form your own opinion on what to do from trying things yourself.

Once you get close, FINE tune. Don't change 80 things at once, take baby steps. And for the sake of all things electric, quit paying attention to battery and dyno numbers. Work on driving a consistent line and the rest will come! And if all else fails, take a break and go play one of the NASCAR games on your Play Station. Don't laugh, it helps!!!


:thumbsup:

Mark is 100% correct I have two cars that are nearly the same, but one of them is always faster or smoother than the other. It is very hard to copy someone else's setup and make it work for you.

all i ever did was follow dave whitesel real close and look at his setups. he was even so kind as to send me "the blue flame" up close. :eek:
one other secret.....dial in your radio. use the adjustments provided to suit your style. in my infinite wisdom, i thought a new high power digital servo was going to save the world for me.....i've got it tuned back to about 70% now as i can't hang on to it. really, 30 weight in the sides,blue springs,50 wt in the center with a sillver buggy spring,green r/f.red l/f, 8 inch rear width,white rears,green l/f,purple r/f....and that's the baseline for about any of these cars. my biggest training was a serious whipping in stock for 2 years by sonny b., then another year of 19 turn thrashing by monti. seems to be working. remember no individual is "better" than any other. some turn more laps, but there can't be shame in who beats who....as soon as you can accept that, the pressure is off.
dk

"remember no individual is "better" than any other. some turn more laps, but there can't be shame in who beats who....as soon as you can accept that, the pressure is off."

I think I feel a tear coming on! Well said NC!

-Monti-

us'uns reflect alot out in the count-ry.
*spit*

come on Dusty

your wife told you how to say that?

that didn't come from you....lol


Fellows
i would have to agree with all the above and add
if you folow the red rag around the track you can get some good set-ups and drive lines.

my 2 cents
jason

i miss dusty.... sniff sniff.

Metal and I are "good buds"........so thanks for the support ya'all! lol

So far I have had alot of people ringing my cell phone....begging me not to give into the dreaded ebay item explosion fire sale......

So guess what.....I REFUSE TO LOOSE!!!!!

Just when you guys help me, speak english.....not jibberish...simple answers to questions of Why????

I don't have a extensive vocab when it comes to cars as you guys do, years past just played around with it till it worked..........


Kris

Hey Kris
try this set up....
hghfghfkhkhfhejkhfhjknlklkoppioklkdmkjkcfhjsdjbbjy u867478975uhru84yu8ohi
on left side .........
jjirjeoiwhv uoihuwheruu83874380ut5io34hihfi3fjijferijfiejnvgkl ejriowjgnkgnwel
on the right side.
this should help
get with me any questions.......................lol
hey man see ya in a couple of weeks
later
jason

Kris just joking with ya on that jebberish thing.....

later
jason

Cole Trickle

Yes, I feel like Cole Trickle.....so me and my "crew Chiefs" are gonna have to sit down and just figure out a vocabulary then ain't we...lol

My brain is melting.......and I think the Gerbal done crashed and burned off the squeeky wheel in my head....lol

Yes, looking forward to getting a lesson on staying off the tracks as the Southern Pacific train comes by to lap me for the 5th time.....ha ha ha ha

Kris

What time do the doors open for saturday racing this saturday?
any good cheap hotels with roaches close?

whos' running what this weekend?
mod
stock
19 turn

Trying to get an idea on who's coming so we know what to prepare for and what class

later
jason

Jason, mI usually stay at the Red Roof Inn, just off I69, 5 minutes from track, cheap, fast internet connection free.


I hope to be there to run stock and 19T.
Tom

thanks
tom


stock for me also
and maybe touring stock oval

count me in for 4 cell stock.. maybe 19T..see ya there Saturday

I'm bringing my Stock Touring Oval car. Can't wait. Sounds like big fun.

Count me in for some 4cell action.......I refuse to loose or go out without a dawg fight!!!!!!! LOL

grrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Kris i hope you mean 4 cell mod?
he he he

have you got that car running good?

good luck
later
jason

kris in 4-cell mod. isn't that like giving a drunk driver a bottle of jack daniels? just kidding kris.lol

I will run 4 cell stock, or atleast try. I need to know what exit I get off from I 69.

exit 109, go east @ 1.5mi. Gateway shopping center on south side of st. look for the Subway. See ya there. Monti says he's coming too.

hey brent

you get off at exit

200 A

somewhere around south bend

ha ha ha


Bob was right 109 A


later
jason

Hey guys, I’m getting ready for this weekend first leg of the Indiana state series …can’t wait. Going to be running some stock and Busch this weekend…..

RJ wanted everyone to know that he has many SPEC tires available for all us Busch drivers. Please see him if you need some…

Mr. Moss which tires does the gearbox trucks run at Terre Haute? Fort Wayne wants
to clarify if the gearbox truck will be running foams or rubber tire this weekend or maybe a class for both?

Brent Lane is making an appearance????????? O my!!!!!!!! Time to get the big horses out!!!! Oh yeah they told u wrong Brent.. the race is in 2 weeks..... LOL..J/K..see you this weekend big boy!!!

Jason,

It (Car) feels good....I can hustle it around the track or fineesee it when I need to. Got it back to 56 laps status with no probs.....57-58 laps is gonna take some work...but I think we can get there. JUst to let you guys know.....in the mains A for stock last week they were pushing 59 laps.............

I feel comfortable on the track with it either behind another car or sandwhiched between too..........

So lets go racing boys..........

KRis

i'll be pushing be 61
if you stay out of the way..............lol


see ya
jason