At what angle is it linear? I am wondering all of this stuff now, for years I had raised up the outer pivot on my L3 and L4 and really wasn't sure why I did that. Now I can see why it is done. The higher it is the more the car will roll correct, compared to the same spring and preload and such anyway? Also what angle does it become digressive and progressive. Do you figure it by projecting a line from the tplate pivot ball throught the outer hole and then going 90 from that and that makes your graph so to say? Then you bring the line of the shock to the outer pivot point and that is your angle? Just curious guys thanks for the help so far!!

The location of the ball studs on the upper pod plate also has a big effect on how progressive/linear/digressive the rates are. The ball studs are pretty close together on the Associated cars, which tends to give a more progressive rate with the Associated shock angles. On cars where the ball studs are farther apart on the upper pod plate, and the shocks are more level, the rates tend to be more digressive. Also, some geometries give you a linear or slightly progressive rate when the pod is not twised at all, but as the car rolls it becomes digressive, which generally is not a good thing.

agreed. i am running an 0700, which has 2 sets of holes on the upper plate. i am running them in the center, due to the info BHayes was talking about. moving them out kinda scares me, seems the shock ends would 'dip' as the pod is twisted, causing different rates....sticking w/ basics for now :thumbsup:

BHAYES is the MAN , thanks for clarifing the linear vs digressinve thing for me ..Did you get my email ?????

SRM :thumbsup:

rcavenger: you are on the right track.

SRM: yes, reply sent.

i just bought the new ksg extreme with the ability to cock the rear end ,any ideas on where to set it for a flat carpet oval ? trackside hobbies in wi

i just bought the new ksg extreme with the ability to cock the rear end ,any ideas on where to set it for a flat carpet oval ? trackside hobbies in wi

What size track are you racing on??

dbr

you would want to set the rear at 0 degrees rear steer

Hey Mark,, How did you guys do at Mt P.????
What car did John run??

Gerald said he placed 3rd in Spint car.

You guys going to Travse City this weekend??

later

dan

danbracing, i run on a flat carpet oval,208 race line,trackside wi,basically big turns

danbracing, i run on a flat carpet oval,208 race line,trackside wi,basically big turns

that big of a track, needs no rear steer, I think mc43 will agree.
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dbr

even on tracks as small as 150 foot we run 0 degrees of rear steer

After talking to my old TEAMATE TAlbot he is still useing 1/2 degree of rear steer even indoors on small to large tracks .When I asked him he siad it just frees the car to the point you do not have to steer in the center of the corner..

SRM :thumbsup:

thanks guys for all your help,in real racing they'll lie through their teeth,and you'll get 7 answers from 5 guys lol

Who has KSG sway bar kits in stock? Thanks.

Who has KSG sway bar kits in stock? Thanks.
Check with Murdock! if he doesn't have them he can get them.

Rob at Murdock RC has Blue and Silver ksg sway bar kits coming in today or tomorrow. MURDOCKRC@aol.com

Does KSG make a steel T-plate? Does anyone know the part #? Are you guys running them with any success? I don't understand what exactly the difference is between a bias plate and standard, could someone explain.

thanks,

Tom

Finishline are the spring steal t plates of choice these days. They have 3 different ones to choose from. As for glass plates that are bias or straight cut it is the same thing as the steel. It is all about the rebound of a plate that will change the car characteristics. For example a bias will rebound slower than a straight cut making for a softer feel. Same thing with the spring steel. Finishline has an oval slot, dbl slot, and a triangle slotted one. As you go from one to the other they rebound faster. Hope this helps a little

ROB MURDOCK,
MURDOCK R/C & PERFORMANCE

Guys ...Help me understand how I can use the sway bar to fine tune the KSG

I would use it to solve what kind of driving problems ?

Thanks

Ok, figured out the T plate thing. Basically any normal plate will work.
That's good! Thanks for the explanation about bias plates.

Someone asked about a Hyperdrive Adrenaline way back. I gotta say
I got one and the thing is an absolute rocket at my home track. I
just hope I can get my ksg that good (looks like it will someday).

What's up with KSG? Why is it so hard to find one of these kits? Is it because they are so sought after or is it that they haven't been shipping. I've tried to get one from a few places and they all told me they don't have them in stock and haven't had them for awhile and that includes getting replacement parts.

I was planning on getting one of the slider kits but maybe I should consider the Hyperdrive instead. It seems that most places have those on hand as well as replacement parts. I don't like the thoughts of getting a car (as awsome as it may be) and not be able to get the parts to repair it if and when it breaks.

Have you guys been having trouble finding the kits or parts or is it just me?

Have you guys been having trouble finding the kits or parts or is it just me?

I order straight from AAA Hobbies, they ususally have everything in stock (and if something is on backorder, only for a couple of days).

I'd say it's just you. :hat:

the kits are out there i just bought one last week. it took a week to get it. the one peice kits are realy popular right now and there are more of them out there than the slider.

Roadsplat my LHS has plenty of kits in stock. :thumbsup:
We have both kits available from KSG right now. That is the solid plate kit and slider kit.
Trains & Lanes(610)253-8850 will ship UPS.

Thanks for the heads up! Wish tomorrow wasn't a holiday. Then I could call them ad have it shipped tomorrow. I'll be giving them a call Friday. You happen to know what they are getting for them?

RC

Roadsplat we'll be opening at 9am Friday. I believe they're $325.
Call and ask for Jason,John,or Greg. :thumbsup:

Well, Thanks to John at Trains & Lanes I should have a KSG in a couple of days. Great guys to deal with. Thanks jbm38!!

RC

Is the ksg all that? It seems it to me the way all you guys are talking about it. All the good reviews has made me finally purchase my first new car in almost 7 years. Now if I can just find one in stock....

latemod call AAA model 423-323-1513 he should have them,if not Murdock above

Is the ksg all that? It seems it to me the way all you guys are talking about it. All the good reviews has made me finally purchase my first new car in almost 7 years. Now if I can just find one in stock....

Na not really,any of the cars out can be made to go fast it's all in the set up and the driver.It's a nice car if you like blue though.

Does anyone have a setup for stock. Particularly a banked track
with low bite Ozite (it's old). 90 ft runline. I saw Danny's but
that looks more like a mod set up. Is everyone running there receiver
and ESC on the left side? It almost seems like to much weight on the
left.

Tom

I run a KSG on a banked oval with OZITE. We run Wolfe black springs on the front , 30wt in sides with red springs, HPI center shock with 60wt and prog WOLFE red spring and #2 piston. FINISHLINE FIRM tplate, second hole down on centershock with right side shock on top hole and left side on 2 hole down. Blue JACO on outside front, Black JACO on inside front, Gray JACO on outside rear and White JACO on inside rear. And run about 11.3 on your inside rear tire on the setup board. Also check out the new crossbrace we make. They are on the OVAL SWAP AND SELL. They indestructable!!!!!
Hope this helps.
Chris
D&J CONCEPTS

cb30: Sent you an e-mail

RC

What would you recommend starting with for caster and camber?
Are you running the offset? Are you running any rear steer?

Tom

Latemod29,there that good,i love my KSG i may race it at barre for the trophy race, barre is such a tough track on equipment that i may race my hyperdrive 500 bt and save my ksg for next weeks trip to glensfalls


Dan Dubuque
Racedayrc
Double D
jaco
GotJuice
long live the EDSEL

for KSG owners heres what I would reccomend you try ..... Run the following on any flat track .

front springs [red wolfe] with .015 preload green LF srping with no preload. caster -4 RF and -2LF camber is zero RF and +1 LF
run the HPI center shock with a silver ASOCIATED center spring run 70 wt oil and a number 2 piston [ shock placement 3rd hole from bottom]

Run 30wt oil in the sides and a copper LR spring and a Black Wolfe RR spring
run number 2 ride hieght adjustors and a FINSIHSLINE soft sprung steel t-plate run the shock 1hole from top so you can get the digressive srping rates this car needs to turn .....

TIRES --- all JACO size 2.22 Black RF the rest pink JACOS

HD protoform Montecarlo
THUNDER wing mounted to the body

This is the setup that seems to work really well on most flat tracks ....If this setup does not work on any flat track I will eat dirt.....This is for 19turn and mod ........ :eek:

SRM

Run full offset pod

SRM:
I see that Finishline make 2 different soft t-bars (one is SYM) which one are you suggesting to get or doesn't it really matter? Also do you suggest using all three screws on the t-bar or just 2?


The silver associated spring you suggest...is that from the tc3 or from a buggy?

RC

Roadsplat the FINISHLINE symetrical T-PLATE is the one to use and the Associated SILVER would be a buggy front.

John is correct the sys t-plate and all 3 screws and the stock silver associated spring ........ This setup is very fast and works on most flat carpet tracks ......

:thumbsup:
SRM

While we're on the subject of t-plates I run at a banked asphalt oval I'm currently running a med Finishline t-plate and the car is bogging down hard in the turns,I'm thinking of going to a stiff t-plate to see if I can the car to free up an get back on the power quicker? thoughts!

I would stick to the medium and stiffen the senter shock spring.. If you go tot eh stiffer tbar you will lose rear traction and maybe thats not a good thing .....I am assuming you are running on a flat track


SRM :thumbsup:

I ran at ON-TRAX a couple of times this past summer and went from a medium TRC# 6300 to a stiff t-plate and a stiffer HPI progressive touring car spring. The car compressed less in the corners and picked up overall speed. So yes the STIFF t-plate will help but also check your center shock travel and change spring also if needed. Let us know how you make out. :thumbsup:

OPPS just saw the banked track ..... On banked tracks go as stiff as possiable ....ON the last banked track we were useing a 28lb HPI spring in the center to keep the car rolling thur the middle of the corner....


SRM :freak:

Not sure of the lbs. but I just checked and it was a HPI progressive yellow spring. Using a CRC center shock with 90wt oil and on the KSG shock mount the 3rd hole up.

I've got some really thick spring steel t-plates if needed. And I also have a really thin plate to back up a fiberglass or thin spring steel plate.

ANYTIME72, If you are who I think then.. Roadsplat you want to try his thick steel t-plate. It should be the same one I used on my high banked racing this year. Worked awesome.

Thanks guys,I'll try going stiffer spring first then the T-plate,it's a slightly bumpy track with some fairly fast cornering speeds,I've got the complete set of silva center springs,and am running a HPI center shock, the shock is mounted all the way up because of the bumps is this a problem also? JBM who makes the T-plate your talking about?

jbm38 : Did you mean to write pepe instead of my name in your last post? I've always been told to run a soft t-bar on flat tracks ...which is what I run.

Also thanks again for getting the kit right out to me. Your service was OUTSTANDING. Very nice handling car. Going to try SRM's suggested setup and see how that works. I was trying to run the stiff springs in back but it seemed like it gave the front too much steering. Ended up going with softer side springs to get the back to stay planted. I'll try what SRM said cause I did't try moving the shock position. I had them in 2nd hole from the bottom.

RC

I also run one of those very thick T plates from Anytime.. It works okay for me on a KSG.. I put it on for a 410 ft concrete oval and it has been on ever since.. Small flat asphalt tracks 190 ft banked carpet ovals.. All pretty smooth... I would put something softer on if the track was very bumpy....

Worth getting one just to see if it suits your driving style