Hey! Let's review,........what were some doing in spec last year to gain an,"unfair advantage"? Reskinning better batteries with the spec shrink wrap,and putting the pack back together? How can we check for this? Perhaps if a protest is lodged,have the driver completely discharge the pack in question,then when cooled,there are several chargers out there,that measure milli-amps charged,so if pack in question takes in much more than the specified capacity,then it is deemed illegal,.......or perhaps a buy-out rule? Motors? illegal brushes and springs? illegal armiture? the arms have tags now,and if we let any brush and spring run,then we give racers a change to learn motor tuning,and we let them try to go a little faster too! Gears? let's open them up,so that we can use All of our tires,....this saves money! Tires? open tires,any foams,would save money in the long run! Chassis? any fiberglass chassis,not KGB,ADX,or other aftermarket,state of the art cars,........those belong in 4-cell mod.! This might simplfy everything,tech that takes 5 seconds,but the major three things are still regulated,and all of the fussing will be ended,.......Hobby World racing exclusively,only! What'dya think?

The major push for street spec racing is OVER! With only one out of three cars still being produced,it is not the priority of the companies anymore,they used to have street spec nationals,but not anymore either,..........so if we are gong to have this class to run in the future,then we have to decide how we are going to race,and what we are going to use,and so on.......or we can just let the class die,......lose racers,which we do not have enough of anyway,.......and the ones who still want to race,will have to go out and buy another car,different batteries,motors,tires,...basically start over again,.......so what do you all want to do?

Originally posted by joespec
Gearing?...........most of us use the Legends gears,......48 pitch,22 tooth pinion,the brown 81 tooth spur gear The 48 pitch provides better durability,and matches the 64 pitch gears almost exactly,as per ratio. But I'm sure that there will be a vote on open gearing,so that we can use our tires totally up,instead of having to buy tires often,to keep the rollout for the speed,with pre-set gearing. But we'll see? As for the 64 pitch gearing,it's a 120 tooth spur,and a 32 tooth pinion,which is different from the box stuff,since we run the super-speedway!

Wallbanger-
I guess Joe's "passionately" on a roll about the Spec deal! :lol: I don't blame him,either!-He's a good driver!

Yes, you can solder the speedo leads onto the motor (preferred),or you can install plugs between the speedo & motor.

About the gearing: As you can see,what's written in the rules doesn't necessarily mean that's what you're gonna get in the box! That's why rules changes have to take place.

Come on out & join us sometime soon!

-George

Joe-

Let’s call it “Hobby World BUSCH Series” (NOT “Bush” as some people call it. We’re talkin’ beer here!)

ANY NASCAR body (truck or car)
ANY fiberglass chassis. 10L3O’s MUST use center shock ONLY! No side shocks
Weight limit- 40 oz min. (Make it an even number!)
ANY tire (even caps-for the suicidal few! :lol: )
OPEN gearing- use any gear combo
Spec motors ONLY w/ any brush and spring
6-cell Spec battery packs ONLY! New Spec 1600’s can be used when available.
Any connector can be used (battery to speedo)
2” max deck spoiler ONLY- no wings
No cutting out rear ends of bodies

How’s that? Let’s agree to that and take it to the masses. Let’s see what they think!

What do you think about tweak screws? Yay or Nay?? Not sure about “reskinned” batts. Maybe have them cycled w/ a T-35 or similar charger and look at mAh numbers?? That would be an excellent "Go/No-Go" inspection!!

Suggestions anybody???
-George

Joespec-Thanks for the info, it's much appreciated.
George- I like your idea about a “Hobby World BUSCH Series”, the spec car is mainly for my stepson who has never seen an R/C car untill friday night. I would love to run in a class that offered more tunability without having to spend a ton on batteries although I would prefer to keep the spec tires also just to cut down on cost. I'm sure I could pickup an old 10lss somwhere cheap although finding a fiberglass chassis might be difficult. :D

What got you going Joe? I don't race HW for many reasons - afew would be: I work on Saturdays & Can't see in the dark.I've always raced on Sundays in the sunlight. You've know me for how many years and how often have you ever seen me race on Friday nights.I've bee at HW the last two weeks handing out flyers for my Sunday race at Hooters - I didn't see you out there.You want to attack me because I do not race on Fridays.I offer the rules just to get some of the circles that were offered. Your king of the spec cars- that's your speciality. I push Bolink Legends it's an easy class to learn to drive and race. There is nothing special about my equipment.I'm running a three year old non-rebuildable motor for the last three months.I am a good driver in road course. In Oval I S_____. Joe M(Legends) is a much better oval driver than I am. I have never liked to race oval but I will race it ocassionally.I really don't care who races oval or road course just so long as they race. I don't care if they race at HW or any where else- just get out there and race. As for ROAR that's my job and that's what I was elected to do.

Joe since you go me going here some more: If it wasn't for me you probably would never have seen an R/C car.Both Erick Gonzalez and myself got the whole R/C thing going again in Jacksonville back in 1984.This was after the HW thing died in orange parkand they didn't want anything to do with us.We went to the city and got the Drew Park area for a dirt track and racing on the pavement.That's when you and Mike started.All the major races that were held in Jacksonville is because of me and ROAR.The insurance from ROAR allowed us to get Drew Park and get people from around the nation coming to our town.
How many big races did I work my butt off to get the racers here?It wasn't for my glory but to get the racers here the opportunity to have a big race in there back yard.How many state races did I have trying to get flat oval going to have ZERO participation from the local drivers.I caught heck from around the state when only 4 racers showed up at the Sam's state race.
Because of ROAR I got involved. I busted my butt for years collection and saving to build the track at HobbyWorld.When I didn't get done right I was the one to blame.Clyde Armstrong spent a week up here rolling the track so it was smoother.He did that because?There is only one thing I want to see - more R/C racing.Both you and I are racing in to dead as a door nail classes (spec car and pan car).You want to race spec cars then you come up with all these new rules.Your making it difficult for the new racers.Race what you want- and when you and all the rest out there say ROAR doesn't do anything for me- don't race at Hobbyworld or FCAR. It wouldn't be there for you to enjoy .

i should stay out of this...but...lol maybe i misunderstood joe..but why do the new oval cars have to be run only in modified? what in the heck is wrong with 4 cell stock? the rules are in place and the racing is very close. the speed is not out of control the tires last 4 ever. and a 4 cell pack is under 40.00 and you can use it twice a day. heck put a truck body on them one month and next month a nascar body. use wings or outlaw them but you realy sound like you are trying to design a class just for you? realy get 30 or 40 guys all running 4 cell stock and that would be a blast. what is the hang-up over the chassis issue? a 10L30 is only 150.00 and getting parts for it is easy. the spec class died along with 6 cells in oval. you guys realy need to look to the future of racing so new racers can join in on the fun. asking them to buy an outdated and extinct spec car may not be the way to go? for that matter why not say and chassis and 4 cell pack any motor but spec gearing? you can make it 32 pitch or 64 or whatever. we had a race like this in daytona and it was a blast! i think the spec class died because alot of racers felt it was the chassis or motors or gears or batteries holding them back from winning. well that is not the case, never will be. i wish they raced on saturdays it realy limits racers fromout of town coming up for some fun. (did they ever think of that?) or do they not want any out of towners?

It's very hard to speak my mind here because of the position I'm in as a business owner in this sport. However, let me say a few things without stepping on to many toes in the process. .

How often does a hobby shop even sell a Bolink? I seen one sit for months on a shelf before it was sold at almost cost. Spec cars I’m sure are the same way. Try something a bit more available, cheep, and up to date... Like a HPI Micro,Micro-sizer, Duratracks Evader, even a F1 like Nolan at CPT was running (if it was cheep enough).

Point.. How many people are in Jacksonville area? 1 million? How many of them even race? I'd say MAYBE 100 or 150.

Take a good look at the parking lot race at K-Mart hosted by North Florida R/C Club (www.nflrc.com for more info), 90% of those racers are NEW to this sport. Some never ran an r/c car until this year. A few have even started racing with you at Hobby World because of it.


You want to get more people involved? You got to go to them, show them what R/C racing is about. A perfect example, T-Maxx from Traxxas, an off road truck with road tires and a lowered suspension is now another class to run. Why run a beast like this on a road coarse? Simple, THEY HAVE A T-MAXX AND WANT TO RACE. Even if it is a NITRO machine, it gets people involved in R/C. Im not saying you need to revamp Hobby World racing to Electric and Nitro. What I am trying to say is run something people want to run. Not force a class onto them with a crap load of rules. After all, its about family fun, not a $$$$$ amount on a car kit that’s outdated with rules half the people wouldn’t even understand.


MAKE IT FUN!!!

Jay

Bullfrog,Katfish,
Spec Joe and George Should be comended for there efforts to revive spec racing!! We all agree the rules are out dated. In order to keep the budget challenged R.C. racers involved they made an honest effort to make an old outdated platform more appealing to the average person who would throw their spec car in the closet after 2 point series. After all what's the next step up in oval? You got it 4-cell stock and 4-cell mod. And just to be competitive your gonna drop $500.00!
After all bullfrog wether your racin a spec or a busch car at least your racin! RIGHT? So let's not pursicute those who also try to advance and keep alive spec racin! Speaking of rules Bullfrog count me out of the spec race at hooters. I don't think I should have to by bolink spec tires to race there! Considering ROAR (in which I'm a member) says trinty specs are legal. But that's right you modified the rules to benifit your sponsor! It's OK for you but when George and Joe do it It's not? Explain!That's my $30.02 worth!

Greg Mohrbacher
R.O.A.R. #4-97158:mad: :(

if you have enough guys with spec car chassis to make a class . thats cool race'em. If not have everyone who want to race oval run 4 cell stock, whatever chassis they may own, bolink,ractech,hyperdrive,kgb, adx etc with a fixed gear ratio and whatever tire they may have available to them so they dont have to pend extra $$$$. Thats simple enough right ?.

C-dog our track is 360+ ft long and frankly 4-cell stock is like watching grass grow. You keep on hearing are we there yet? LOL
Greg:wave:

ahhh so you want cheap speed? can i buy any esc for the spec car? can i buy any servo i want for the spec car? a quality speedo is 175.00 quantum or keyence and a digital servo is 135.00 plus the car kit receiver and a god awful radio shack battery pack. you got 500.00 invested again. but when i want to go race most anywhere else my 6 cell spec car is a antique. now what do i do? same goes for legends it has realy been a sore spot for me. you buy a 60.00 kit and put 500.00 in electronics in it? the whole idea baffles me. i'm not against spec 6 cell only can run what we say for chassis idea. it just kinda limits the new racers to buy a antique car and run only at hobby world. jay has some good ideas realy. we have a hobby shop in daytona where the guys just lets anything race. he has 75 plus racers show up every sat night. who makes the spec tire with the white ring of foam around it? i have some in my tire box? i forget who makes them. i thought it was trc? would anyone realy want to win a legends race cheating? (oops pelagrino throws a wrench in that ) lol i'm not trying to do anything but add some more ideas i guess. it's realy hard for anyone new to the sport to race i guess. i just push trying to get the new guy to buy the best possible stuff he can afford so later he has something he can race with or sell on ebay if he decides it isn't for him. just not a big demand for a spec car anymore. i kinda liked the idea but i always wondered why a spec car needed to run as fast or faster than a 4 cell stock car or 4 cell 19 turn car? how does a beginner handle the relatively high speeds so soon? they should go slower than a 4 cell stock car. the class should try and chase away the guy who has been racing for 15 years but likes to cherry pick. win a few weeks and move up with the big dogs? something just aint right with the spec idea. ;)

Ya'll missed the point in Spec Class. I just offered an Idea on some classes. As for the Legends the rules do come in the kit-That's if anyone actually reads them.The speedcontroller I've used for the past three years is the same- Novak Racer.It's also got the same servo and the only thing I've ever change electronic wise is the reciever and its a Novak XXl.The motor I'm using is three years old and non-rebuildable.You guys in speed land have always laughted at my legends but when I see a driver race for a year+ in Legends and now kicks butt the TC class the jokes on you. The kid couldn't drive a lick but he started with both Legends and 1/10th pan car.Who is this kid - Alex Lopez. There's also another kid that raced Legends only for a year. If he goes to another class and has the funds he'll be one to watch out for - Rich Nichols.
As for Greg sorry your going to miss the Hooters race.Our sponsors tires are to be used in the race they are sponsoring.We do have some used tires available but it first come first serve.
Oh yes as for cheating in Legends Frank wasn't the only one in the past.I've had more fun racing Legends in the last few years than any other class.Especially with my friend Eddie who was quite sick for the past few years.He could handle the car where the other classes was to much for him.

C-dog our track is 360+ ft long and frankly 4-cell stock is like watching grass grow

ok say do like i said before and make it 4 cell 19t with a fixed gear ratio if 4 cell stock is too slow. With the amount of quality oval kits out there from the associated 10l30 to the hyperdrives and adx conversion kits available etc etc......there is a car for just about every price range to get started with. If you mandate a set of spec rules that can be used on multiple car makes (i.e. spec gear ratio, battery limit say nothing more than 3000's, and a chameleon2 for the 19t 4 cell class or GM3 for 4 cell stock just as an example) then your not limiting your racer base as much ..... if "joe racer" decides he want come out and race with his 10L2 from 5 years ago . all he is required to do is have the required "spec stuff" and doesnt have to buy a certain car. Obviously a "run whatya brung class" would be a way to get people to come out and see what you guys are doing out there with no pressure to spend $$$ right off the bat till they see what the deal is. Now before joe spec and/or bullfrog get offended ....... the spec car class is great as long as you have enough guys with those cars...... if not its time to look into getting another car. all your current electronics in the spec car , batteries and tires can still be used in a new car if you dont want to run your spec chassis against the associted type oval cars. Legends are fun and very cheap, yes bill i've owned one ......lol. But, I have to agree with katfish...(egads!) if you spend $65 for the car and buy a cyclone speedo, a couple of "spec" 4 cell packs and a servo .... why not buy a 10l30 for $130 and run the 4 cell stock or 19t oval class........ its alot easier to upgrade the associated (or similar) car into something other than a beginner ride and/or if you decide that r/c racing is not for you, odds are you'll be able to get more of your initial investment back if you sell your stuff. just my.02

:D

instead of trying to make a bunch of silly rules to seperate the oval class even more why don't you just have 4 cell 19t and 4 cell mod.

bill your legends car is not an example of the legends i have seen race. were talking top of the line everything in some of those cars. it's a fun class no doubt i just hate to see some hard core racers get a legends and dump 500.00 in electronics into it. it realy detracts from the purpose of the legends class. i guess if you have 8 guys show up and race spec class than keep it going. but again the spec class should have the speed issue regulated. make it easy for the beginner to race. the hobby sure could use some new faces.

SO WHO IS GOING TO RACE THE HOOTERS RACE? BILL IN 4 CELL STOCK WE CAN USE WHATEVER TIRE WE WANT TO RIGHT? :p

instead of trying to make a bunch of silly rules to seperate the oval class even more why don't you just have 4 cell 19t and 4 cell mod

dave, they are trying to get some guys who may not want to spend the bucks to GO ALL OUT for 19t or mod with no limitations on batteries, motors etc.

At one time we had about 25+ spec cars racing at Hobby World,I would like to get some of these racers back! At one time,spec was the biggest class out there,now we have a growth in 4-cell 19turn mod.which is also welcomed. Some people don't want to,...or cam't afford to spend the "BIG" bucks to race in a "Pro"class,but they still want to go fast,so spec is a choice that is appealing.To open up the chassis choice a little bit is an action to attract racers that might have an old car lying around,that want to race,but might not have the funding to go out and buy a new kit. For all of those who see r/c racing as a separatist activity,it's not here at Hobby World,and in the past,we have created new classes,just to see if we could get more participation from a wider group of interest.More often than not,we have raced no more than two cars in a class on any given race night,for we really want to see all who come to run have a chance to.Hobby World has been more of a collective,rather than just a commercial facility,I know the people who own the place,and all of them are really great people! As nice as CPT was to race at,It's good to be home! And I want to see HW be both successful,and a great place to race for all.

easy now dont throw the owners of hobby world under the cpt bus! lol it was 10 years since the last good indoor carpet track went under. cpt was the best hands down for indoor carpet. a great track, no doubt i miss it every day. i heard alot of talk from here and there about someone in j ville opening a carpet track back up. but so far it's just been talk. heck i can talk about opening my own carpet track if i just win the lottery it's a done deal! sure would be nice if a certain hobby shop in orlando would open up there wallet and get us inside for next year! he he he :devil:

The point is,.......that any form of racing needs to be encouraged,and since street spec doesn't carry the same national favor that it once did,if we here at Hobby World choose to vote in the guidelines of how we want this class to be run at this track,then niether you,or any one else for that matter,really has too much to say about it,especially when you don't run that class anyway.As for new racers,.......they will have to make some changes to the box-stock set-up anyway,for they won't be competitive with the stock gears,or with the motor brushes that come with the motor from the factory.Imagine that,buying something brand new in the bag,and you can't run it legally,.......how come after all of these years,they still can't put the right brushes in the motor? And for all that you did for the sport,we would pat you on the back,but we can't reach it,for you trying to pat yourself on the back more feverishly. If you remember right,we had a perfectly fine little racing program going on behind Hobby World before your influence,......and the new track you so graciously provided for us,has led to the current battery and motor wars that have been going on for a few years now,which has also added to more racers getting out of the sport entirely,......ouch! But the real quest for you,the feather in your cap,was the one and only national event that you wanted to hover over,which did not go quite like you planned,did it? You and I really need to end this on this site,but I will try to pick up the deal with you face to face,and I apologize to all to had to endure this.All this tripe started because myself,and a few others wanted to spur a little excitment into a cheap,fun class that at one time was a big class at this track,.....if you aren't going to be part of the solution,then.......

I would not say anything bad about CPT! Ever! Richard and Nolan are both some of the finest people I know,and their efforts on making a really fine indoor facility should be commended now,and in the future.Herein lies the problem that I stated in one of my first posts of late,......there is an insufficient amount of people in Jax.to support two tracks in this town,and CPT is not the first track we have lost in this area,.....when CPT opened,....the racing at Hobby World died,.....hard evidence of a second fact,.....that even for those of us here that would consider themselves"hard-core" even they couldn't manage racing at more than one venue a week.So what do we do? You have touted 4-cell stock racing as an alternative,but on an asphalt track with a drive-line of over 360',it would indeed be sleepy at best,and while I have personally used a spec chassis,in the 4-cell 19turn mod.class,with moderate success,we can't expect a new racer to be able to do the same,....and they shouldn't have to,you see,....we have had the spec class around for years here,even before the "big" track was built,and to tell you the truth,things were alot better in some areas when we just had our little "bullring"track,right behind the building. The spec class can work,for it has in the past,and the rule changes that have been proposed for a week now,are just minor changes to what we have already been running.But we appreciate your opinions none the less.

..... if "joe racer" decides he want come out and race with his 10L2 from 5 years ago . all he is required to do is have the required "spec stuff" and doesnt have to buy a certain car. Obviously a "run whatya brung class" would be a way to get people to come out and see what you guys are doing out there with no pressure to spend $$$ right off the bat till they see what the deal is.

Rich-
That's exactly what Joe & I were thinking when we were tossing around ideas for "updating" the "Spec" class at Hobby World!!! Come out and race any oval chassis,but use Spec batts,tires and motors! A lot of people that I've talked to say that a lot of the tracks around the country (especially in the North) have that very same rule in their Spec class- only they call it something else like "Busch" (Kurt? hehe!) or "ARCA". Kinda like a "training camp" for those just getting into the hobby and not wanting to get thrown into the wolves or for those wanting to do something different. Remember,CPT had their own answer to the "Spec" issue-only it was called "4-cell stock". The first race only had 4 people in it. After that,it grew like wildfire!!

HW has always had a "Box Spec Kit" class (Trinity or similar Spec chassis,batts,motors,tires) since I've been racing there and there was always a pretty huge turnout in that class. Last week there was about 8 racers in Spec. As Joe said before,a couple of years ago Spec was the biggest class out there with about 20 drivers logging in! All we're trying to do is to get back to those kind of number of entries by opening up the existing,old Spec rules a bit by allowing such changes like open chassis,etc.

I appreciate yours & Kat comments and suggestions on this issue! Gives us more to think about! :thumbsup:

-George

well what about having a class with with a little less rules. see now iff you make a entry level class try this

chassis any older non slider chassis L2 or 3 or stitchblade when you look at the cost of bying a new adx car it is alot of money so just use the l3 or older.

radio gear any. you don't want this guy to have to buy a new radio to move up

speedo the same as above.

batteries. 4 cell 3000 stick packs purchased form the hobby shop with a special sticker on it.

motor blue end bell paradox any brush spring combo

any body and spec tires no wings

i think that limiting the speedo's and radio gear is a bad idea because when this guy tries to move up he needs to buy new stuff. now the 100 he spent on that average speedo is wated when he could spend 50-60 more and be competive

the biggest thing that I see going on around here is a lack of help to the new guys. most new guys buy things based on cost. so they go out and get a cheep radio charger batteries and speedo. then they come out to race and get blow away. if they were told a little more about what they were buying when they were buying it it would be better. we all need to take the new guys under our wings.

heck i can talk about opening my own carpet track if i just win the lottery it's a done deal! sure would be nice if a certain hobby shop in orlando would open up there wallet and get us inside for next year! he he he

Kat-
Wouldn't that be nice!!! I think the environment for such a permanent facility would be perfect in the central FL area!

Dave-
Now you're getting the idea!! :thumbsup: Especially with the idea about the 3000's. If they want to move up into 19 turn,for example, all they would have to do is to change the motor-they've already have everything else in place! Brilliant!

-George

We appreciate the help with the reasoning on your part,...looks like at least some people get the idea. Others,however,.....choose not to say anything,...or participate in any way,....except for if they somehow feel threatened,....or feel like they are losing control of a situation that they never had any control of to begin with,.....and the person in mind should understand this part anyway. We just need to get the cheap cars rolling too! We can have the 4-cell mods,we can have the 4wd's too,......but we can also have a class that is cheap,and fun! By people being able to use most of the stuff they already have,.....like what you said before about racers throwing their spec cars in the closet after a couple of points series,.....time for them to drag them out and go racing! Bill refers to me as the spec God,.....but there has been more than one time that I have been somewhat dominant in this class in the past,and I have dropped out of the class,just for that very reason. It's good to win,but when many win,....we all win,not just one. $20 batteries,$30 motors, $7.50 axles,....a complete set of tires,that cost less than just a pair of long-wears,.....there is just not another class of oval cars out there that can match this relatively low cost,and yet be this potentially equal as far as equipment goes,which leaves the winning to the driver,not the wallet,......Greg,I'm glad that you can relate to this,so hopefully others can too! Thank you!

why is it that only in oval do I always hear that it is to expensive. once you are over the intitial cost of buying everything it isn't that bad. the last time I checked a spec motor was like 35 bucks is the 4 dollors more breaking a guy the same with tires. when you start out you have nothing after a few years thing pile up. I still after 12 years don't have a lathe or tire tuer. its on the list. you have to crawl then walk then run.

yah the long wear tires cost more but they last longer. I ran a set of green rears on my 12th scale and they were gone in 6 runs put the grey on and got 15 runs for 6 bucks more. I do think that you need a entry level class but the current spec isn't it. stick to the older none slider chassis and have you ever heard of K.I.S.S.

There may be a time where we cannot find a cheap car kit,and then we will have to address this when the time comes,they have discontinued the 1300mah spec packs,so we will have to deal with the new 1600mah spec packs after the first of ther year. We might have to deal with a new motor,or something else that we are forced to deal with in the way of marketing progress,but we have to make room for everyone now,who has a desire to race with us now,who might have an old bolink car,or a fiberglass 10-L-1,or a super-t,or a delta,or whatever,....let's just get them out there and race! And have a good time!

Originally posted by joespec
.....we have to make room for everyone now,who has a desire to race with us now,who might have an old bolink car,or a fiberglass 10-L-1,or a super-t,or a delta,or whatever,....let's just get them out there and race! And have a good time!

Joe-
I agree with you!!!!! Dust 'em off,get some new Spec batts,motor and tires on them and "LET'S RACE"!!!

-George

yes I agree but some guy pulls his 10L2 out of the closet is having fun racing in this new class. he starts having radio trouble. turns out that his speedo is bad. now he needs a new one. if you put a limit on the speedo he buys a 100.00. now he is ready to move up buys a new 10l3 and adx conversion but is stuck with the 100 speedo. if he could have just bought the gt7 first it would have been ok

Right on!! Sounds good!! e-mail me,if you get the chance. I'll be out of town friday night,looks like I'll be out of town for quite some time to come. Stepped out of the frying pan,into the fire,but have to do what's right for my family. You are right! I am passionate about r/c racing being affordable for all. Unfortunately there are some out there who think that if someone can't afford to run in "their"class,they perhaps shouldn't be out there at all. I'm not one of those who think that way. I think that there are enough options out there in r/c that anyone who has the desire to race,should be able to find a class that suits their wants,and their pocket-books. That's all! Legends was a good class,when the track was no bigger than the small parking area that the "tent" people use now.So to bridge the gap between the blessed super-speedway,and the people with a Legends budget,..........we have street spec! I don't see anything wrong with that,and I don't understand anyone who does.Do you? I think that all of us spec guys should just talk,and vote on it:thumbsup:

I think that all of us spec guys should just talk,and vote on it

Joe-
I think that's what we need to do! Besides,my finger are getting tired from keeping up w/ you guys!! :lol: They haven't been this tired since my "lead guitarist in a metal band" days!! :thumbsup:
I'll email you soon!

-George

what i am trying to say is don't make it so that the new guy buys alot of stuff he can't use if he moves up. I think that theis is the big thing. I don't run oval but I want to I just don't have the cash to buy new stuff. I have a touring car and love it. but I am not going to rob parts form it. i agree with you something needs to be done. I would just like to say here and now I will help anyone. my parts are your parts. if anyone ever needs help or has a question feel free to email or call me. the faster you go the faster I go

Dave Puliafico
Pully17@msn.com
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Believe it or not,there are some who have no intention of"moving up", did you know that there are drivers in Busch Grand National ( nascar) that have no desire to run in the Winston Cup?......go figure? I run 4-cell mod with a duratrax streak ESC,and have had no problems what so ever with it,and usually make the "A"main too,....except for lately,because I need to go out and buy more batteries,and motors,.....and this proves my point more than anything. You might be surrounded by others like yourself,who might just spend whatever to be on top,but there are others,......who have other obligations,and their r/c racing program is just a hobby,.......not life itself. Should Kyle Petty retire just because he hasn't won in a long time,but isn't he still doing what he loves to do,and getting paid for it somehow? Should everyone race in your class,because This is what you think they should do? And if they did,and they weren't as fast as you,would you complain and moan,and suggest that they try another class that was more suited for them,.(because they aren't as fast as you are) Works both ways,doesn't it? Dale Earnhardt didn't start at Daytona,neither did any of his sons,.......dirt-tracks,short-tracks,and we have one here too at Hobby World! Back in the day,that's all we had,and to tell you the truth,it was more fun back then too,even though I won alot less! Go figure?

What was the name of the band? And where can I get the CD? I like heavy metal! It relaxes me,.....no lie.

I see your point do you see mine?

don't pick on Kyle he will rise to the top again.

you brought something else up. ther are guys that race spec because they don't have the cash to move up. just don't go crazy with the rules thats all

Damn, all this just because I wanted to know the rules so my 9 yr old son could race the spec car we just bought him? lol

Joe since your not going to be around this Friday- You can call the house.Oh yes the feather goes to everyone around here that came out to the races for 20 years to help do all of what I said. Without there support NONE of this would have ever been done.

Originally posted by wallbanger2
Damn, all this just because I wanted to know the rules so my 9 yr old son could race the spec car we just bought him? lol

Wallbanger-
Please don't get discouraged about the Spec deal! There are a lot of us that run spec,as well as 4-cell mod,touring & other forms of R/C racing that are willing to help anyone to get started! Dave,Joe & I usually pit on the back wall and Jason,Shawn,Metrodog (Greg) usually pits in the "chicken coop". I usually practice on either Saturdays or Sundays or both! Don't ever be afraid to ask for help! Even the most experienced drivers ask for help a lot of times,then they pass it down to the inexperienced drivers- that's how this hobby grows!

Hope to see you soon!
-George

wallbanger2


irvan36mm is right there is a bunch of good guys out there that will help you in every way to get going

brooks

Don't worry, it would take alot more than a few people disagreeing with each other to turn me away. I just thought it was kind of amusing that so much could come from such an innocous question. :p I do appreciate the offers of help from everyone, and I will be taking you up on them. I have also talked another friend into breaking out his old stuff and coming out when work permits. I'll be heading ouver to HW later this afternoon (forgot to get a servo saver doh!!!!). What tires, front springs and traction compound if any are people running? The kit comes with green rears and blue fronts and unknown springs (they substituted other parts so I suspect the springs might be different too).
Thanks again, Vince
:wave:

Vince-
The green rears & blue fronts should be good to get you started. Some people also use an Orange front tire on the RF. I've been using Orange on both fronts & green or blue on the rears.

As far as front springs, I use an Associated .022 on the LF and an .024 on the RF. You can use any tire traction you want. The most popular one for Spec is SPF 35 (or better) suntan lotion. Cheaper than purpose-made tire traction. Works just as good,too!

On the rear dampers (black disc-shaped pieces w/springs on both sides), I've been using VERY little oil for damping. If you use a light oil instead of thick silicone diff grease,it will permit the pod to move freely (makes the car roll better through turns due to lack of adjustable suspension),thus reducing the tendency for the car to spin out in the turns!

Hope this helps!
-George

George, many thanks for the info. I look forward to getting my son running out there and eventually racing myself.\
Vince

Nothing to do with R/C cars...... but I posted it anyway.
3.5 meg AVI

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in case you are wondering this very same conversation is being had on the confrence forum! lol it is huge! ok ok ok i agree with the any chassis but you must use spec batteries and motors. that is a great way to go! i also agree with changing the race day to saturdays! so we can all play! do they use a amb counter up there? any of you guys going to hooters? :cool:

I have to go with Katfish on this one I have found that spec batteries and spec motors in a pan car chassis will really works well, that way the guys that are running the trinity spec cars do not have to buy all new batteries an motors just a new chassis. then when they are ready to move to 4 cell 19turn they can spend the big money on batteries and motors. I think if you guys can make a step up program you might be able to get more people in to it.

brooks

brooks! alot of people have disapeared around here after you side with me on here! lol i like the idea but it's up to those guys it's there show?

hello all

will there be racing on the Friday after Thanksgiving???

Kat-
No,we just use our fingers for counting laps! Kinda sucks after lap 10! :lol: :lol: j/k! Actually,we do use an AMB system! Also,some of us (myself & Metro included) are going to the Hooters race. Are you and Rich coming up? Hope to see you both there!!

Shannon-
Haven't heard about after turkey day! Need to ask John this Friday-are you coming out Friday???

-George