I agree with a break out class. Make it 28 laps for oval, run what you want. Any motor, battery chassis etc. But once you can turn 28 laps, its time to move up. What do you guys think? 28 laps isn't easy but not that hard that it would take a year to get to.

david butts check this out! new indoor banked dirt oval and off road track! ocala!

http://www.newredhobbies.com/

isn't that cool it has progressive banking.

I was doing come cleaning and found some nascar models that I want to sell check them out here

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=72294

hey butthead
I resemble that remark. :lol:

BTW.... David ran record with a 92 watt C2...........

I did? Wow sometimes not knowing how a motor actually rates is fun too.

I think that the biggest thing that will help the racing grow is something for the begginers. right now there is nothing these new guys come out get there asses handed to them and they don't come back. is it really far for a new guy to run against me bear earl rook brad john and todd (when I show up) malone. on the oval side the spec class isn't for begginers anymore.


Hell you guys hand me my arse everytime I race you guys and I'm certainly not a new guy. But your point is well made and taken. p.s. those mounts look like someone needs to buy a pair.

david butts check this out! new indoor banked dirt oval and off road track! ocala!

http://www.newredhobbies.com/
Oh no! Orlando is getting a dirty oval and now theres one closer in Ocala. Katf1sh, your my hero. :wave: Hmmm I still have an rc10 based edm hanging in the garage(along with the old dominator). Just had it down for a look see the other day. Guess what? Its painted flourescent pink,yellow and white too. Darn it . where have I seen those colors before?

Robert what are you doing over here? Are you gonna make it to Branford this weekend?

I agree with a break out class. Make it 28 laps for oval, run what you want. Any motor, battery chassis etc. But once you can turn 28 laps, its time to move up. What do you guys think? 28 laps isn't easy but not that hard that it would take a year to get to.


move up to what? that is the problem there is nothing to move up to. you said it yourself that the jump from spec to 19t is a big one. if you are suggesting that the new guys in pro spec run in a class of there own till they do 28 laps that is cool but that class isn't drawing the numbers to do that. it would be really unfair to the new guys i have only seen like 3 new drivers out there.

I would like to ask everybody this question what can we do to draw more people?

the first thing that needs to be done is drivers yelling on the stand even if it is to a turn marshall to pull the car.
the next is the foul mouths in the pits. I understand that this isn't the church but atleast keep your voice down. to the people stopping buy to check it out even if they see just one guy doing it, it makes us look like a bunch of rednecks.

I have to agree, I mention on a thread I started several months back about having a beginners class at H.W. Now it sounds like a good time to start one for both touring and oval. Does anyone see a problem with it?

I think that the biggest thing that will help the racing grow is something for the begginers..........on the oval side the spec class isn't for begginers anymore.
Dave P- You're right! The Spec class today isn't "your lil' brother's Spec" anymore! With more tracks running a similar Spec formula as ours,the word "Spec" doesn't mean "cheap" or "POS" anymore. Even ARCOR is having a Spec Nationals this year in TN? Yes,a beginners "run what you brung" class needs to be done for both on-road & oval. Even if there's 2 people in each class,let 'em run! Heck let's not even call them "Beginners",let's call them "rookies" or "novices". (yellow tape on bumper optional) Nothing more discouraging for a twenty-something year old guy or gal to be called a "beginner"!
-George

4 cell stock is a great place to start..even if you have pro stock and sportsman stock...the cars need to go slow to go fast!

there is no problem with starting any class? hell if we wanted to run touring cars with bananas on the roof John hart will run it if there is the people. here lies the problem we don't get alot of new people coming out at once. if you get 6 touring cars showing up and only 1 of them is a begginer then what? make the new guy run by himself?

How many people do you need to make a class? 3?

What motor do we need for Stock class touring? Any 27 turn or does it have to be the Monster?

I was talking to Chris tonight while going over set ups on both cars and he was saying that his brother is probably going to start running 19t instead of stock but that Chris was going to run stock with Matt and I for awhile then he wanted to move up to 19t....I want to go 19t eventually too, but I need to get more exp...I am really hoping to start racing in about 3 to 4 weeks. The other buddy of mine that just bought his TC3 was asking about the motor questions.

--Eugene

yes 3 to make a class. to run stock it just has to be a 27 turn stock the monster is the prefered motor.

If is a novice class in either type of racing (oval/touring) why should we care what motors they are using.Let them race- they'll find out the motor isn't the answer.When they get beat by a less powerful motor they can't say it was the motor.The drivers using the stock motors should beat them everytime.
Even if there isn't enough racers for novice put them in the other class and score them seperate.

good point bill but it is better to make them all run the ram type (stock or spec) to avoid any issues. everybody is missing the point that I am making is WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE TO START NEW CLASSES.

We will as soon as Matt gets his car in and builds it though. Then I will have 4 people up there....that will be good practice to for us so we can join you guys quicker.
I am thinking about 2 weeks for us to run our own class (Matt and I expect to hit each other, lol, but we dont want to mess you guys up)
Then in awhile will be able to either run stock with whoever or 19T with you.

-Eugene

i know i wouldnt mind running a stock touring class when i do come to hobby world to run , since i have never ran touring before.

i went to the doctor yesterday and found out that i will be goin back in to the hospital to have surgery again in late march if nothing changes until then,, so i got to get some racing in before then ,, they say it will be as bad as the last time ,, so iam looking to be out for about three months,

guys i know i dont run hw all the time ,, but i really enjoy racing there and the people that race there, iam glad to see that yall are trying to make things easier for a new person to come in and jion in this hobby we all love to do.. with that i say thank you.

BIGDON

Dave, the language is what makes us look redneck? I thought it was the way we smelled ;) lol

There needs to be a class for newbies so that they can learn to drive and not get discouraged when all of us run them over. A seperate class which has no hardware requirements, just number of laps to break out. If there isn't enough people to run the begginer class then its their choice to run with everyone else. Many nights it was just me and Jason, and jason had to give his back up car to Tom in order to have three people. Do what ya gotta do. Any new person who reads this and wants to run in a beginner class, come to Hobby World this Friday or any Friday with your gear. Even if its an Evader st, run it!

Getting more people to show is huge.

1.) Banner out front tied between the posts of the Hobby World sign.
"RACING GOING ON OUT BACK". The sign in front of the Argyle Church is the ONLY reason I even remembered that FCCR was racing that first day. I drove home, got my stuff and headed over.

2.) If no power out there at the sign, we need to get it out there in order to flash a strobe light at the banner or some kind of lighting so people will notice it at night. This alone would increase foot traffic.

3.) Advertisments in the Sunday paper. Hobby World has ads, i've seen them posted at the register. Why not throw some small note on them, even in small print.

4.) A dedicated Hobby World website for the racing, with all the classes, results, rules, SCHEDULE, etc.

5.) Dedicated teching. The fact that no one techs and not a single motor has ever been taken apart since I've been there, can lead some to believe that people could cheat. Even if they aren't. Teching, even if it is randomly done, perhaps one person a night gets teched just for the sake of it, would make for a seemingly fairer event and would keep honest people honest.

6.) Free race for first timers. Make that part of the Ad or on the banner out front.

7.) One free raffle ticket with entry.

8.) Two free raffle tickets if you run Pro-Spec ;)

9.) Have fun and talk junk all we want, but keep it as productive as possible.

We have a club meeting this Friday so we wont be able to be out there early enough to race, but we are going to by to meet some of you and watch. Now, next Friday...that seems like a definite possibility.

I for one dont really care if I win or lose, I just want to have fun. But I think SOME kind of prize...raffle tickets...gift certificates....something....that would increase participation too.

The obvious problem is "promotion". Right now,there's only "word-of-mouth" promo,but there needs to be more (both at HW & FCCR). Here's my .02 to Dave's question:

10) TV TIME: Have ya ever watched the sports on the Fri night news? They always cover the local high school sports scene (complete w/scores),especially football. Any one of us could try & contact any of the TV stations in Jax and see if they would be interested in doing a story on the HW (and FCCR) races. Even if they just announce the winners of the races at the end of the segment for 2-5 seconds. The stations have been covering the NASCAR Daytona testing this week- now would be a good time to hit them (stations) up for some coverage. Hmmmmm?

11) MAGNET/PLAQUE (or similar) FOR "ROOKIE" WINNERS: I think someone mentioned it before (P?). A very good idea!

New92: If ya can't make it out this Friday,try & stop by this Sunday during our bi-weekly Sunday races!
-George

Comment: I've done that before-Sign out front.As for the TV - I've done that before. After football is over it is easier to get them out.The ads in the paper that's been mentioned before. Only one problem the people that own HW need to do it- it's their track.

Can I say something? Ha I'm going too anyway. Everybody has put some good thoughts on here and a question comes to mind that Shawn touched on. Where is it written that all the cars have to be onroad or oval cars?

Some of the new people that show up to watch were given or bought ready to run off road style trucks and or cars. They should be allowed to run in a run what ya brung class. I guarantee some of those people would be quick to buy a more competitve car after their first taste of blood, uh I mean competition. There would be no detriment except for another class to be run which means maybe no break between rounds or mains. Their tires would do absolutely no damage to the track or walls(well maybe the walls)and it may be our main overlooked source of potential racers. Hmmm portable jumps?

A sign in the store or even video taped races showing in there would also go along way.

Also the one raffle ticket with your entry fee sounds like a winner to me but I have no say.

Now I'm gonna say a four letter word that some of you may not want to hear but in order to get some of the afforementioned activities like teching, newbie help, and helping with the running of the races(those guys do a real good job now)such as promoting and calling in results, covered it needs to be mentioned. Cover your eyes if you're easily offended. -------------------------------------------------CLUB.

Its just a thought but if the track or the powers that be are thinking of getting any races other than just the local stuff thats going on now there will need to be a sizeable group of people who are willing to help with all this stuff. Just a thought guys but I did put on my flame suit just incase.

Hey Don I'm sorry to hear about your upcoming surgery dude. I'm sure everybody on here or atleast the ones that know you wishes you all the luck in the world. You've got to get better, I havent put you in the wall yet. :wave: Did I say yet?

damn don sorry to hear that.. some good news for you hacks below

http://www.rpmspeedway.com/

there is a schedule for snowbird practice as well as racing..please make plans now to run on the new rug! i'll be there all week..so if you call im gonna answer the phone! lol :thumbsup:

has anyone seen or heard from delbert hill ??? the guy is MIA..not signed up for the birds either? what happened?

BigDon
Sorry to hear about your upcoming surgery, hope all goes well, keep us informend on how things are going and come on down and race!

Lee :cool:

lee,
yeah ,, i got to get some racing in before the end of march,, before i have to go back in the chopshop.

thanks guys
BIGDON

BigDon, Sorry to hear your going back to the garage again, will keep you in our prayers for a speedy recovery. Take care.

5.) Dedicated teching. The fact that no one techs and not a single motor has ever been taken apart since I've been there, can lead some to believe that people could cheat. Even if they aren't. Teching, even if it is randomly done, perhaps one person a night gets teched just for the sake of it, would make for a seemingly fairer event and would keep honest people honest.

Ouch! Shawn, that really hurts. LOL! Seriously though, a run what you brung class would work well. I have two kids who would love to race, but are terrified to get on the track and mess someone else up. A class of "starters" like them would not scare them.



if ya ain't cheatin, ya ain't tryin

Some of the new people that show up to watch were given or bought ready to run off road style trucks and or cars. They should be allowed to run in a run what ya brung class.

I'd love to come out and run my E-Maxx. :lol:

I was curious...motor started acting up and took it apart....decided to change brushes and new springs. friend of mine has same problem both of us are using Revenge of the Monster. Anyone else had any problems with them? He just changed brushes this past weekend and started acting up tonight.

Comm didnt look real bad...little dark but I was told it wasnt that bad. I am thinking about ordering a lathe next week, (Christmas holidays stink for educators lol...month between paychecks)

What about a comm stick? would it be better to get the stick now to clean it up then look into another motor or go for the lathe and save the money in the long run?

Thanks guys

-Eugene

sound like it needs to be cut. I would get a lathe the cobra one is real good. Hey Butts what is the model?

if you don't wan't to buy one just yet jeremy from Hurrican Motorsports he cuts and brushes motors for a fee.

If you don't what do that then give it to me and I'll cut it.

[QUOTE=davepull]sound like it needs to be cut. I would get a lathe the cobra one is real good. Hey Butts what is the model?

Uh that'd be the cobra 200WD. I'm going nite nite now. zzzzzzzzzzzz

your old and it is past your bed time

hey Butts look at this

http://www.jphracing.com/L4_Tray_Conversion_3862.cfm

lets not believe this and still show up

Friday, Jan 9 Temp °F Feels Like Dew Point Precip. Humid. Wind

6 PM Showers 52° 51° 47° 50% 84% From the West at 4 mph


7 PM Showers 51° 50° 48° 40% 90% From the West at 4 mph


8 PM Showers 51° 50° 49° 40% 93% From the West at 4 mph


9 PM Showers 51° 50° 49° 50% 92% From the West at 4 mph


10 PM Showers 51° 49° 48° 40% 90% From the West Northwest at 5 mph


11 PM Showers 50° 48° 47° 40% 90% From the West Northwest at 5 mph

Can you say-----Sunday,Sunday,Sunday...............

lets not believe this and still show up

Friday, Jan 9 Temp °F Feels Like Dew Point Precip. Humid. Wind
6 PM Showers 52° 51° 47° 50% 84% From the West at 4 mph
7 PM Showers 51° 50° 48° 40% 90% From the West at 4 mph
8 PM Showers 51° 50° 49° 40% 93% From the West at 4 mph
9 PM Showers 51° 50° 49° 50% 92% From the West at 4 mph
10 PM Showers 51° 49° 48° 40% 90% From the West Northwest at 5 mph
11 PM Showers 50° 48° 47° 40% 90% From the West Northwest at 5 mph
I'll be out there regardless. Remember,the race isn't officially cancelled unless the big guys (Greg or John) call it,so plan on showing up. If anyone wants to,call me on my cell (505-8244) & I should know.
-George

Well guys good luck tonight. I may stop by but since I was really pushing for sunday racing I'm planning on racing sunday. Since I tried to race the tc3 last time it's all oval this weekend. Gotta do's on saturday and racing on sunday. It's gonna be a good weekend. I smell a 35 lap run and it smells good!

I'd also like to wish the guys that are going to minnreg this weekend good luck. I wanted to go but things just dont allow it right now. Goodluck and I found out that my company really wants me to work the weekend of the snowbirds so I may have to be sick that week. I wasnt planning on racing but I was going to watch and be a pitboy too.

Since turnout will be light this weekend some of y'all should try to make it over to Branford

guys i just got off the phone with phillip owen ,, which is deo racing on here,, he has been at the hospital with his wife ,Sandy,all night, she is having a really bad time fighting a bad blood clot,, so if you would keep sandy and phillip in your prayers,, if i get any more info i will let yall know..

BIGDON

I too have spoken to Phillip earlier. He says Sandy is in a critical 24 hour period where they are trying to dissolve the blood clot. I will call him later and post an update. BTW he will not be at MinnReg. Family First !!!

All you R/C'ers say a prayer for Sandy and the family.

Joe and Alice

BigDon and Joe, Thanks for the info on Phil and Sandy, Yes lets keep them in our prayers during this time. Also Don I have a CD with all the fccr action on it for you. Heading to HW any time soon?

Henry

henery ,
its my wifes birthday these weekend ,,so i plan on being at the carpet track. see ya there.. vroommm.

BIGDON

Phil, sorry to hear about the Mrs .... sayin a little prayer that everything works out for the best and a full speedy recovery.

Rich

news like this realy puts things into perspective..phil was on vacation with his family just 1 week ago..now he gets hit with this! our little cars we play with and all our complaints just look realy small right now! this is sad news, all we can do is hope things turn around for phil and his family.phil will be missed at minnreg for sure.. :(

I spoke with Phil yesterday asfternoon and the last thing I said to him was remember these are just little cars. Just like Katf1sh sys it kind'a puts everything in perspective. I hope that Phil's wife pulls through. She's had her share of medical problems, now this.