you computer guys r all the same! lol i sent you the info bro.

Joe and George:Iv'e been reading this stuff about a spec class for awhile.I think if you twojust sat down and wrote up some rules it would be fine.Your throwing so much stuff out there however.Why don't maybe the three of us get together some time a hash something out.Plus the one big thing after that is having the hobbyshops push what your trying to promote. Make it fair so both or all tracks in the area can try to promote this class.If you want this class or anyother class to grow in this town you need the support of the area Hobbyshops and racing clubs. How about the plain old and simple Bolink Legends?

bill i may have missed the info but could you e mail me or post up the dates and info for the hooters race. please:rolleyes:

Katfish the Hooters race is November 24th the sunday before Turkey day.This is the Hooters at Ponte Vedra Beach at the corner of J.Turner Butler Blvd. and A1A.

i'm pulling teeth here! lol ok oval classes are? and some kind of address so i can punch it in map quest. will the girls be track marshaling like at the snowbirds?

HW's drivers stand

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Okay Katfish:Stock 4 cell oval
Thunder trucks - Spec cars with truck bodies.We'll have loaner bodies painted for people to use.
Legends
Touring car
Micro ?
Special Race- The Eddie Herrmann Legends 100 lap race after all races have been run.You can go to www.racecarworld.com for all the info.

How big a track are you setting up in the parking lot? I read the flyer about the legends race being in a bull-ring. what about the track size for 4-cell stock? Drivers stand? Place to park trailer? will bring my own power. Sugar water on the track? 2 heats and a main? trophies/plaques? Thinking about making the trip down from Ga. if I can swing it with work. Directions coming in on I-10 from the west? Thanks Wade

wade if bill has his hand in this ..it will be a good event. i'm sure he will have a track set-up like our state series races. oval should be large enough to except 10 cars. c'mon down it should be fun. plus the track marshals in tight orange shorts should be awesome! lol j/k i grew out of my little orange shorts awhile back.

Wade - you know the sound you here when you walk across a well prepare track surface. You'll here it there. The track is 100 on one side 78 feet on the other and about 68 fee wide on both ends. I only go there once a year and my partner measured the track area last weekend.There will be some power -not much - bring a quiet generator. Long extension cords would be helpful.There are awards being made - Some plaques and others. How big of a trailer do you have? As for the racing it will be two qualifiers and the mains and them the 100 lap legends race. The Legends rules we follow are the Florida State series rules and what comes in the box. Any questions about legends you can ask me and I will have parts available ( "S" brushes are a must).

Katfish last year we had "The King" can't wait for this year.They are still talking about her!

Thanks for the info... Trailer will fit in a standard parking place if I unhitch the truck from it. Have plenty of power cord so we can put the Generator out away from everything. Hope to make it Wade

Kat-
You & Rich need to come on up for this race and reenact your NORCCA 4-cell stock win! This will be my 3rd time at this race and I must say that it is always a killer event!

As for generators,the first year I went we've stuffed the one we had into the sawgrass bushes lining the highway (J.Turner Butler)

Bill-
Any chance of getting Frank to do up some commemorative T-shirts for the event??

Hope to see you all there!
-George

PS: ALL HAIL "THE KING"!!! :thumbsup:

Good point! All we are doing here is coming up with ideas,and in a vocal forum,we should be able to solicit ideas from others,especially from the ones who have raced spec in the past.What makes spec a really great class is the fact that it is a cheap class,relatively speaking,and you have the power of 6-cells,which can make the class fast. Legends are fun too! The problem is that the Legends are usually appreciated only by us old dinosaur racers,who will go out and enjoy anything we can put a battery in and race with.The new racers out there will have the usual drive to go as fast as they can,right from the start. We will see just how much the short-track is used at Hobby World,but I have a Legends chassis sitting in the race box,just in case we get that going too,because I definitely won't miss out on some Legends fun! I think I'm going to need more radio gear soon,for I have three cars now,and I don't want to leave any at home on race night.A question,.....the thunder trucks are 4-cell spec,right? You will have race-day registration at Hooter's.right? Thanks!

On the spec rules,.....the only thing that I'm proposing that is different from the way it was run before,is to open up the motor brush and spring rule,the batteries will remain spec,as well as the tires,bodies,and the chassis to a point,by allowing more chassis to be run.This way,anyone who has a spec car,or a lynx car,or a Bolink car,ie.....sport 2000,super-T truck,or others,can also run in this class. As usual,the gear ratio will be pre-set,pertaining to track.This way,more people can participate,without having to spend alot of money to race,.......approximately $70,if they alreay have a nascar body mounted, the cost of a couple of batteries,and a spec motor,.......that's it! I'm focusing on the Hobby World racing program,for this is where the racing is in this town right now.One of the reasons we lost people to other classes at the start of the year was the fact that there was a class much faster than the specs,but there is no reason to lose this class,especially since at one time,it was the biggest class we had.:confused:

Well Joe and George it's time to throw a "Monkey Wrench" into your spec racing and my Legends racing.Just found out on the Trinity web.page under Spec Batteries and had it comfirmed by Bolink . There is a new spec battery coming December 1st- The GP spec 1600's in both 4 and 6 cells.Bolink told me that on there most recent order that got shorted batteries.So these new 1600's are coming but just not out now. By the way if they do become available by the hooters race they won't be legal in the Legends race (100 laps).Well doesn't that make your day- it did mine.:confused:

That's way cool!!:thumbsup: But what will the voltages be like? Perhaps we should go to open gearing,since we will have more capacity to work with,........Bill,what will the approx. price be......oh,Wise one of the r/c info? Hmmm?

Joe go to the Trinity site and it will tell you.

Bill-
Thanks for the info about the GP Spec 1600's. Yes,that does throw a monkey wrench into the equation! If the 1600's show up @ Hobby World along side the existing Spec batteries,guess which of the two types would sell amongst the Spec community? I would say,the one w/the more powerful one (1600). Anyone running the existing 1300 pack against a 1600 pack would be at a disadvantage! Who would have thought the battery wars would invade Spec racing???? I wouldn't make the 1600's legal for Hobby World Spec racing (or any Spec/Legend event!) until the end of this year or till the end of the ongoing point series!

Another 2 questions,Bill: In your "Thunder Truck" rules you mentioned only BoLink Spec tires allowed. I take it that the Trinity ones aren't allowed in the Hooter's race?? Also,there's a question about battery to ESC connectors. Are they supposed to be the Tamiya type? The reason I ask is that some of us have converted our ESC's and batteries to Dean's plugs (voted on by HW Spec racers because of plug failures and/or fire hazards-about 2 years ago!). Is it OK to use adapters to accept the Tamiya plugs?

-George

George - Ive been using the tamiya connecters since the Legends came out with them. I've never had a problem. The only person I know of that had a problem was Les.Yes they must have the tamiya connectors on the battery. The motor can be hard wired. Yes we use only bolink spec tires.The new batteries are supposed to be out by Dec 1st. They are not making any more of the 1300's- not available.

George and Joe or Joe and George

Hello fella's

Hope ya'll are doing well. I havce been trying to keep up with this thread and have been reading your "spec" ideas. Definately a fun class and cost effective. I only have one thought to add to what I have read, unless you allow open gears, the roll-out advantage goes to the person with the newest tires (not always available locally). In the spirit of cost reduction, pinion gears are less expensive and last longer than tires. This class sounds like fun (thou I don't have any of the OLD chassis laying around).

I will see ya'll at the track once work quits abusing me.

George Ramos ......... give me a call about saturday. 904/509-6102.

thanks

I think that the new spec batteries can open up some new possibilities,.......we can go back to 5 minute racing,or,we can take the suggestion from Georgia ford Fan,and open up the gears,....he makes a good point about the tires,it would be cost-effective to be able to use up our tires! I would venture to say that with open gearing,and the new batteries,any brush and spring combo,we should be able to approach the speeds of a 4-cell 19turn,so this class will have some true excitment,.........what do you think?

There you go again " maybe we can increase the speed to 4 cell 19 turn" Them why do you want a spec class- it serves no purpose. Spec Car means with Specs- Brushes should be the "S" Brushes. The tire size what you going to do police everyone and make sure they don't have new rear tires every run?Your trying to make a class that is economical to run. Stick with one spur gear and maybe two pinions. Next you should think about tires. With Trinity/TRC spec tires you have the possiblility of someone removing the pink and purple dots and replacing them with the others. Anyone can go to office depot and get the avery dots. At least with the Bolink spec tires they don't make it and you can tell by the make up of the tires. Bolink has a new rim to boot. Just because HW doesn't sell that tire for what ever reason should not stop you from requesting that they should carry it because that what YOUR rules say.They will sell the tires if that's what you want.If not I'll be glad to get another place to have them for you. And remember "KISS" works -the object is to get more racers

ther are alot of bad things about runnning a set gear ratio. first is not every motor is the same some like gear some don't the second is that as the tires get smaller you need to chage gear to roll out the same. I think that keeping it spec battery and motor is a good idea but drop the gear rule.

Joespec & Bullfrog-
I'm in favor of the "KISS" philosophy,also. (yes,I do own all of their albums,too! :lol: ) With the new 1600 batteries,I would probably extend the races to 5 minutes and keep the gearing limited to one spur & 2 pinions. That way it makes it less confusing (and less expensive) for the newcomers to be equal to the vets! But again,I wouldn't make the 1600's legal for HW Spec racing until after the current point series have ended! I personally would reserve any thoughts on the battery/gearing deal until the batts are available & are able to be tested on the HW track,just to see if they "are all that!!".

The BoLink tires could be a good idea although everyone here has been having success w/the 3 compounds of Trinity/TRC Spec tires. The only problem with the dots is having to keep them from falling off! :lol: How about maybe allowing either Bolink or TRC tires for HW Spec racing??

The last time I saw a pink compound Spec tire, I didn't like them at all! They would've been better suited on a carpet track such as CPT.

Let's hear some more ideas!
-George

In case anyone's wondering what the new Spec packs look like! -from the Trinity web site!

http://teamtrinity.com/PR/SS2270-71.html

Nice yellow color,eh?

-George

It really doesn't matter if the batteries are all that.It the only battery they are producing. The other batteries are no longer being made.They will be out by dec.1st- what if any thing are you going to tell that newcomer when they show up to the track with the new batteries that the hobbyshops will be selling? As for the gearing that's why it's spec racing.
classes: Number 1 - Spec Cars or Trucks
Number 2 - Any chassis with spec motors and batteries open
gearing and either spec Bolink tires or
open tires.
Number 3 - Any chassis with any stock motor and 4 cell
batteries. Tires and gearing open.
Number 4 - Any chassis with any 19 turn motor and 4 cell
batteries. Tires and gearing open.
Is that fairly simple.No embarassing titles to scare off anyone.

Bill-
Number 2 sounds like a winner to me! We'll have to see what the other drivers say about it!

-George

That is kind of what we run up here

Pancar Chassis (hyperdrive)
Spec motor
6cell Spec battery
any tire
any gear

cars run good at a cheaper cost

brooks

George I think you missed the point. Have all 4 classes that way everyone should have a class they can race competitive in. If they want to move up they can. They should be able to sell there equipment and move to the next class.If the weather is good tonight I'll bring the Thunder Truck for everyone to see.

george or bill or who ever races up there @ hobbyworld. Is the track still real bumpy ?

Dan, thanks for the bigdogrc stickers .....they rock :thumbsup: :D

anyone heard rumblings about a new/ reopened carpet track ? just wonderin.

Mike Bean cancelled the sat racing in edgewater down here because of a 90% chance of rain. When he resets the date i'll let you guys know....... the surface is 1st class and mike puts on a good race. It would be cool if you guys would come race in our backyards :cool Bill fraden, Bear and Todd Malone know the surface is great......its where we had the florida state race

I know mike would appreciate the support:wave:

Originally posted by cneyedog
george or bill or who ever races up there @ hobbyworld. Is the track still real bumpy ?


anyone heard rumblings about a new/ reopened carpet track ? just wonderin.



Rich-
Yes,the track is still kinda bumpy,but that's what makes it exciting! :lol: Haven't heard talk of any carpet track opening/reopening in Jax,though. :confused:

-George

Are the races still held on Friday nights? If so what time do they start? Thanks.

Yes the races are still on friday night. They start racing around 8. We finished around 11:30 tonight:devil:

Thanks, I stoped by to show my 9 yr old step son what it looked like. I think he's hooked now, so as soon as I can get the little woman to cut loose with the funds we will be racing! :thumbsup:

Great Hope to see you soon:thumbsup:

We had 8 drivers there last night (Nov 15th) at Hobby World on 103rd. Good turn out. A few more and we will have to have to split the class up into two mains. Glad to see people are back racing there. Two weeks before CPT opened I bought a brand new Spec car and began learning to drive. Me and Jason have been going mostly every friday trying to get people back into the class. Good to see it finally happening.
Jason took the win last night in the A main. Great racing guys!!

Changing SPEC rules isn't a bad idea, but, the new drivers can't handle the speeds we are going at now. I wouldn't mind better battery packs. Does anyone have a website with up to date SPEC rules? Staying in a certain limit with the gear ratio should be the rule. Me and Jason are running the legends gear and pinion. I think we are still in the same ratio as the larger gear using that comes with the spec kit. We don't burn through gears as much, that is why we run them. Bigger teeth, less chewing. Less cost.

If anyone needs help or practice with your street spec cars, me and Jay will help. We often go during the week and practice. Let me know when you guys want to go.

Hope to see more spec drivers next friday (nov 22nd). Keep it clean : )

Shawn
smleary@yahoo.com

Shawn-
The Trinity website has a spot where they are planning to post Spec rules,but that part is under construction. This is where all of us,as Hobby World Spec drivers,may want to think about our own rule changes-unique only to Hobby World. Many tracks around the country that run a Spec program either follow the 1998 Spec rules word for word,or they modify or create their own set of rules. If you were to create new rules,you would have to throw a "planned monkey wrench" into the pot so things wouldn't get out of hand! (Ex: fixed gear ratio,2" spoiler only,everyone run the same make of body,etc)

As for newer drivers,maybe they should start out on the short track before venturing out on the speedway??

Congrats to Jason for sweeping (and cleaning up!) Spec Friday night!

-George

Ok Gent's, I have a couple of questions for you spec racers. I bought the kit today and noticed that the spur gear that came with the kit was a 128 and the pinion was a 27. The Street Spec rules state that they must be 28/120. What are you running at Hobby World? Also can the motor be directly soldered to the speed controller or do I have to use a plug (bullet, Tamiya)? Thanks in advance.

Okay guys,........this is the deal,....r/c racing in this area,as well as several areas across the country,fell into a big decline a while back,.......and the solution to this problem was the Legends car,cheap to run,and fun! After the racing got built back up,the quest for more speed was answered by the street spec,still cheap,but allowing for 6-cells,and a chassis that was more tunable than it's Legends counterpart. Now for the real scoop on all of this,.....the producers were losing money,for all that they did to kill racing,by pricing stuff way out there,....they had alot of product sitting on the shelves,.......so they came up with a way to move it. The three spec cars that were produced were adaptations of older design pan cars that they had sitting around. ie.....the Trinity spec is the old evo-10 pan car,that was made before the switchblade was produced,and so on......you cannot get a TRC spec car anymore,because trinity bought out TRC,so the car will not be produced anymore,it was the best out of the three cars that were marketed. Bolink doesn't make their spec car anymore either,.......taking all of this in,now you can see why we should let other chassis run in this class. R/C is a cyclical thing,.....it runs with the tide. If anyone hasn't figured this out yet,this town doesn't have enough supporters to keep more than one track open for any length of time. There was a wave of support for spec in the beginning,but now that they have started another craze,......4-cell racing,.....the support for spec isn't there,other than one manufacturer producing stuff for it,but when you are the only game in town for parts,I guess it's okay to still make the stuff,for one more season anyway. WE are,as in,the bretheran of racers at Hobby World,the only ones' who will keep some form of cost-controlled racing around! Be it either street spec,or some other form of cheap racing.Now,.......what's it going to be? We need to get together,and vote on how we want to run,we can do this at a friday night race,easy enough. If someone has an old car out there,bring it to the track as well,so we can see if you can run it in spec,perhaps we should come up with another name for this class,"Busch",or something,perhaps with another name,one of us here won't do so much to try to manipulate when he doesn't even race this class anyway.

Exactly why are you so very concerned about the class that we run at Hobby World? You don't like oval! And possibly you don't even like most of the people who race here,but you don't even race this class anyway,but if you wanted to have some influence on the proceedings,then you need to charge up some batteries,and race with us on a regular basis. Not too many people are interested in Roar,an org.that has it's purposes,just not on friday nights.There are some out here that just wanted to see you come out and be just a racer,.....someone who just wants to go out and have fun for a change,but you can't seem to let Roar go for a night,much less just have fun,and that's a shame,since you have invested so much time in all of this,and that you are a good driver,especially of late.We are going to vote on what we want to run,which will take into account all of the variables,ie....tires,batteries,motors,everything! We will,just as we have always done in the past,vote everything in,so we can run this class,at Hobby World,without much concern for other venues,for most in this class won't go far from HW to race anyway,and from what I have heard,and read over the last few years,there are racers out there who would love to race with us,just because they would like to get a breather on the rules too,and perhaps go a little faster with their stuff.Did you ever wonder why us spec racers run on the big oval,as opposed to the short-track? Because we can go wide-open! We will take care of the spec racing here,but you can start a Legends craze if you want to,and we'll see just how long the short-track stays in this time? The ground-swell for cost-controlled racing is over,and the 4-cell thing perhaps doesn't save as much money as once thought,......but I remember a discussion I has with Big Don awhile back,and he is all for keeping a cost-effective racing class going strong at HW,.......and we are trying! I prefer a "glass is half full" attitude about the new spec batteries,so you didn't burst my bubble,for the spec racing class is potentially the most even class out there,for the simple fact that everyone in that class has to run the same things,.......it's what you do with what you have that puts you out front,not what you spent.There is no other class out there that allows this.As long as we have a motor that has little torque,and a battery that has woefully short run-time,with a chassis that forces a racer to be on top of his game in the set-up dept.than we have a "spec"class,so this can be changed from time to time,as long as the theme stays the same. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that,does it?

You won't find any new spec rules,and if you get a copy,then it would be a re-print of the 1998 rules,which we have changed for our purposes locally.So if you want to bring up an idea,let's vote on it,so in keeping with the theme of cheap,fastracing,all can do the same,......It's fun to race with you and Jason,and I can see from friday night that I have my work cut out for me,to beat you!

Gearing?...........most of us use the Legends gears,......48 pitch,22 tooth pinion,the brown 81 tooth spur gear The 48 pitch provides better durability,and matches the 64 pitch gears almost exactly,as per ratio. But I'm sure that there will be a vote on open gearing,so that we can use our tires totally up,instead of having to buy tires often,to keep the rollout for the speed,with pre-set gearing. But we'll see? As for the 64 pitch gearing,it's a 120 tooth spur,and a 32 tooth pinion,which is different from the box stuff,since we run the super-speedway!