Brooks & Dan- (NOT Brooks & Dunn! )
Greg winning B-main in 4-cell 19t?? What's up with that?? Dan,that wasn't supposed to happen!!!! :lol: :lol: Congrats on your win,Greg!!

-George

BTW-No new scrapes on the roof of the car tonight!!!!! :lol:

I saw them but I still don't beleive what I saw. I'm making an appointment with the eye doctor monday.How many of you are going to the new TQ hobbies in Orlando next Sunday.It's no parking lot it's a first class racing facility.

Thanks george.
Maybe if my car had run like that in the two qualifiers i'd a been in the a main. Oh well it was fun coming from a lap down to win. Think I made franky nervous when I said don't make any mistakes? LOL
Greg:lol:

I should'a left the thing tight,.....but I just had to tinker with it a little more,.......yikes! It was fun though! I remember when there was only a couple of cars that might have a shot at a win in 4-cell mod.,but now,most everyone can get to the front,this is a good thing for sure! George ran well all night,Tom got faster as the night went on,it's good to have the gang back racing like it used to be! I was surprised to see just how slick the track got towards the end of the night.Looking foward to next friday night,will have the spec car rolling for sure,and should have both cars on line in a month or so,(come on over-time!):lol: Will be out there sunday to work on the track. See ya!:wave:

I think my stearing is slightly..... off. Got any suggestions?

http://www.nflrc.com/hobby-world/

www.nflrc.com/hobby-world

Jay-
yeah,I'd say you've got some unresolved issues there! :lol: The onroad portion of the infield was redone this past Saturday & Sunday. Maybe that should help your problem!!

Joespec-
...it's good to have the gang back racing like it used to be!
You got that right!!!!! I finally got my spec car hooked up & ready for Friday! Chris Mason (Bob's son) even ran a battery pack on my car & chased his dad (and everyone else!) around the small oval. He's got the "Spec Short Track" bug now! We need to think of some rule changes to vote on for this Friday's race! Email me at irvan36mm@aol.com. I've got some ideas!!


-George

The new design is very nice! The big oval is back to the way it should be,and the little oval is very nice,the road course is much better,more room for everyone,to everyone who worked on the track,....my personal thanks! And that's what has made Hobby World such a rewarding experience for years and years,.......the brotherhood of racing! Greg said that he was going to work on the lighting too,this will be another improvement! I feel fortunate to live in a town that has an established r/c racing base,for it is just too much fun! Get the Legends out!

Joe-
I think it's time to get the Jax local racers to dust off their Spec cars too! I predict a HUGE turnout this Friday for the Spec class. Hmmmmm! Might have to track down Pless & see if he still has his car!!! Email me so we could get together on some proposed rule changes for Spec!?!

-George

I think I got it this time,I have sent you a few e-mails,all of which came back,I realized that I was spelling your call sign wrong,so you should get the next one.:confused: It wasn't long ago that we had a good 25 spec cars out there,one of the biggest classes we had at one time,and if we can get this built back up,it would be a real good thing! All you guys with Legends cars,.......bring them on! Spec cars! If you have an old dirt buggy,that is just sitting around collecting dust,you can throw some foam tires on that thing,and run on our short-track,with an east-coast modifed body mounted on it,this would be another great class,.........to the point,we have a short-track,a speedway,which George measured sunday,so he can post the driveline when he gets chance,and a much more simplfied road-course,with alot more room to run,so that all levels of 4wd experience can get a good run in,...........so come on a have a good time! We are looking foward to seeing all!

Although this doesn't have anything to do with this thread- does anyone know how to get ahold of Richard or Nolan.It seems the landlord won't let me get my three tables unless he heres from them.

Joe-

25 Spec cars!! Man,those were the days,wasn't it? It was almost like it was a Jacksonville Spec All Star Race! :lol: I remember there was one night where we had 25-30 Spec cars and then the issue of the (ahem!) informal betting of the A-main winner came out! Of course,the one that came up w/the idea also won the A-main race (not me!)! And the grand prize-$18.00! :lol: It was like right before the mains,everyone in the Spec pits were dead quiet & busily working on their cars! People that you think didn't own a soldering iron before all of the sudden whipped them out of nowhere,along with new motors!! It was a pretty fun(ny) night. It could always get that way again! I like to think that we have a good track record for starting up new ideas-look at 4-cell stock class @ CPT,for example!! Just think if that class was started from day one! We have a great bunch of racers here that share similar ideas & together,we could make it happen!!

I believe the old driveline was about 355". If I could remember correctly, the new driveline is/was/maybe/heck,I don't know (?) :dude: -I think it's 367' ?????? NOT the 2' increase that I originally told you Sunday! More like a 12' increase! This was measured in the middle of the lane. I'll have to remeasure it again!!

Still looking for your email!
-George "fuzzy math" Ramos
KGB Nation

Originally posted by BullFrog
Although this doesn't have anything to do with this thread- does anyone know how to get ahold of Richard or Nolan.It seems the landlord won't let me get my three tables unless he heres from them.

Bill-
Have you tried to email Nolan (AKA "Darkhorse III") off of the old CPT forum? I know that he has a website-that may have his email addy! Not sure if it's current,though. I'll see what I could dig up!

-George

Yes those were the days TWISTED COMS and BLACK SPRINGS.:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks George- the landlord is being a real jerk.

Those were the days,for sure! Listen,....we seem to be having problems e-mailing each other,so perhaps we should use the medium that the Hankster has so graciously provided for us,we can also solicit opinions from others who might be interested in the street spec class. People,........it's real simple. you got your 6-cell stock,your 4-cell mod,but we always need to have cost-controlled class,a budget class,if you will....because people need to have options in the r/c thing,.......perhaps there are people who don't want to buy new cells every few months or so,maybe they are very interested in racing r/c,but when they hear the price of a competitive set-up,....they cringe,and walk away. Let's get these people back,....everyone who races makes us all stronger! My proposals are thus;....any fiberglass chassis,Bolink sport 2000,any street spec kit,this will include older cars that might not be competitive in the "Pro"classes,but is a good car none the less. Spec batteries,remaining in stick pack form,with any type of terminal,as long as it has a terminal,as in,no hard wiring. spec motor,with any brush and spring,open gearing, Rear deck spoiler,up to 2",back of body cut out,if desired.Motors and batteries will be checked closely,any Nascar body. George, hit us with some ideas!! We need your imput! Oh yeah,spec tires! just to keep it cheap!:thumbsup: :wave:

What I'm proposing here is not neccessarily the destruction of a purist form of street spec,but alot of what I just suggested has already either been done,or has been proposed by other racers since the inception of street spec racing at my home track,and if there are others who I have raced with out there,they will attest to this.Matter of fact,Georgia Ford Fan started his own class at one time,called "pro spec",or,cheater spec,or whatever.The thing is,....everyone wants to go as fast as they can,....go ahead,deny it!:lol: So,in an attempt to satisfy the desires of these drivers,and still keep the class alive,let's put our heads together,and come up with some rules that everyone can live with,and have a truly fun,fast,and cheap class that more racers can afford to compete in.:thumbsup:

joespec - Our Hooters race will have Spec Trucks.The rules will be out hopefully Friday. We will also be racing 4 cell stock oval as well as road course and the Eddie Herrmann Legends 100 race.Since it's a parking lot you'll have to be a ROAR member for insurance.They have a weekend racer for 15.00 with the option for the year. Oh yes race date is November 24th................

what hooters location? and are planning on running touring cars?

bullfrog..... when is the hooters race ? ...... i heard the word oval ..........lol .......lemme know

Bill-
I was just gonna ask you about that last Friday! Please let us know the gory details this Friday! BTW,I still haven't found anymore info as to reach Nolan. :(

Davepull-
In the last 2 Hooters races I've attended,there was a touring class. So I don't see no reason why #3 would be any different! :)

-George

Originally posted by joespec
...My proposals are thus;....any fiberglass chassis,Bolink sport 2000,any street spec kit,this will include older cars that might not be competitive in the "Pro"classes,but is a good car none the less. Spec batteries,remaining in stick pack form,with any type of terminal,as long as it has a terminal,as in,no hard wiring. spec motor,with any brush and spring,open gearing, Rear deck spoiler,up to 2",back of body cut out,if desired.Motors and batteries will be checked closely,any Nascar body. George, hit us with some ideas!! We need your imput! Oh yeah,spec tires! just to keep it cheap!:thumbsup: :wave:

Joespec-
As far as what you've proposed,it all sounds real good to me! It's time that Spec moved up to the 21st century! :lol: I like the "restrictive" requirements,(i.e.: any fiberglass chassis,spec motor,batts & tires). Keeps it's "Street Spec" identity,but with a twist! What about speed controllers? I think it should remain the same as Spec rules allowed- under $130.00 retail. That way,you won't have guys blowing people off of the track w/ Quantums,Cyclones,GT7's,etc! :lol: Also,I think we should be able to use any steering block & axles (such as the thicker ones that come w/ the L3O-uses the bigger bearings) ,not just the ones included in the kit.

BTW-You ready for 4-cell stock @ Hooters race #3 ???? I know I am!!

-George

The same Hooters we've always raced at- The one a Ponte Vedra Beach.We will have trophies , discounts on food,Touring cars and Legends .We'll also race thunder spec trucks and 4 cell stock oval(pan cars).Any mircro out there - it takes 4 to be a class. A specail 100 lap Legends race is also planned. Details should be out by Friday.Remember for insurance you have to be a ROAR member.

Bill-
Thanks for the advance info! I'll be there! Hopefully,this year's turnout will be really big!! At least you'll now be able to run that 4-cell stock car that you've been working on!

Joespec-
What I got so far from adding a couple changes to the Spec rules was an almost total rewriting of the WHOLE DARN THING!!!!! Let me know if you're gonna stop by HW Thursday night & I'll give you a copy of what I've got so far! You may have to sit down in your "personal reading room" at the house in order to read this-it is pretty lengthy!!! :lol: I think you'll like it!

If any HW Street Spec racers are interested in what I got written so far, email me with your email addy to :irvan36mm@aol.com & I'll email you an MS Word file!!

Cheers!
-George

Joe and George,
I'm in! A tuneable spec class, I love it! Just make sure we ban Joe Malin!LOLOL We might want to change spec pack to the red duratrax "1500 sport packs" they are cheaper than trinity spec packs! Or maybe make the sport packs a tuning option!
Greg

Please explain more about the weekend racer roar option! What are the specs for the spec truck class? I'd buy a truck body in a minute to race this one! The 24th is good,for I can surely get sundays off.Thank you!

Bullfrog,
Cont me in too. Spec and 4-cell stock possibly.
Greg

I can understand what you mean about the batteries,the spec packs are somewhat of an equalizer,for they only have about 1300 mah,so a racer can't go too wild with the rest of the "tuning",because he might be dead at the end of the back stretch with 30 seconds of race time left.The problem is this,all of the sport packs come with a red covering,so you cannot tell if they are indeed 1500 mah,or perhaps 3000's,for they also come in red.With the spec packs,which are clear wrapped,you can examine the cells,to tech a little closer,keeping the stick pack rule is another little rule,to keep from trying to do too much to the pack. Eventually,this class might morph into a sort of 6-cell,stock class,where you would still have some restraint,with the older chassis designs,and the fact that you can't use a wing.There is a point where you can get alot more speed out of a more basic car,but if you can't get it to the ground,then it is useless to pursue,and that's the point,we want to encourage racers to learn about the chassis set-up,and the driving,but now they would have more tools at their disposal to work with,and hopefully a faster car,to the point that they might want to stay in the class.I would hate to see a time at our track where everyone felt compelled to spend ludicrous amounts of money just to be there.

I see your point joe. At last count I think we will have a definite 6 car field in our "budget class" I like that name by the way. I think this class has alot of potential! And think it's time that spec evolved a little. Hey George if you get a chance e-mail me acopy of the proposed rules. See ya all Friday!
Greg

We could do a senior legends class with similar rules!
What do ya think of that idea?
Greg

Yeah,.....I can see the front end beefing as a good thing! As long as they keep the same front plate that comes with the car,ie....no installing the associated reactive caster front end. There are alot of old chassis designs out there,and it would be interesting to see just what comes out of the woodwork,after this class is brought back from the dead once again.On the front end thing,as we have seen people do it in the past anyway,a racer can experiment with a little "tweaking" of the king-pins,to get a little camber action going,( makes the tires last a little longer,which makes it cheaper) no aftermarket shocks installed,unless it is an older chassis design,that came with a shock already. I'm going to try to get to the track thursday night,so please bring what you have,but I'm also going to try to e-mail you as soon as i get off of here,I can't believe I haven't been able to e-mail you so far,but I also think that they ruined cars when they did away with points and condenser ignition too.Here's to being a old dinosaur:thumbsup:

As a side note that I just remembered,I was talking to Joe Malin a while back,and he told me that in some locations,they run spec motors and batteries,with modern chassis in what some call a "Busch" class,so all the proposals here are in the same light as this,but just using the cars that people already own,this way,they don't have to go out and buy a whole new car,just to race. here's the deal.Someone goes out and gets into r/c racing,they make their investment,and go race. Now form here,they can either settle into a class that is fast,fun,and cheap,......enjoy themselves,and perhaps get into a newer,more complicated car,or perhaps two cars,...Yikes! Or they can get discouraged,for they cannot be competitive,and they quit,......then everyone loses. Let's not lose anyone,anymore.I'm ready to go racing!:D Now,I just have to convince my gestapo dispatcher that I really need every friday night off!:eek:

Well Joe the weekend option is this. It's 15.00 for the weekend with the option to you to become a full member of ROAR for 15.00 more at a later time.The anniversary date will be the date when you first signed up (Nov.24th).There is no $10.00 ROAR weekend sign ups that went out a year ago.As for the Spec Thunder Trucks - that is spec cars with truck bodies.We will have some truck bodies available race day as loaners. There will be more information avaiable when I recieve it and should be available friday night.

Joespec-
Yes, I too remember the discussion w/ Malin about the Busch Spec series! It was a pretty interesting dicussion as far as I remember & have tossed around (and tossed out!) ideas that have stemmed from that.

Here's a question for you and others interested in HW Spec! :

Do you think that the chassis rule should be opened up to include the more "modern" cars such as the 10L3O/L4O,Hyperdrive,ADX,KGB,etc? Or should it be kept limited to the current Spec-only chassis? (Trinity Spec-10,old BoLink,old TRC,etc)

NOTE: The outcome would be part of a Spec "Local Rules" that only apply to Hobby World. Other tracks in the state or the country may or may not run under the same rules!!!!

Let me know what you think either here or email me- irvan36mm@aol.com

Joe,as I've said in an email to you,this is starting to sound like the "Spec Unlimited" discussions of almost a year ago!!! Hmmmm!

BTW, a big THANK YOU to all of you that have emailed me asking for a copy of the Hobby World Spec rules! Remember,this is only a draft,not THE final version! If anyone has any suggestions for this class-let's hear it!!!

I only wish that this idea was discussed 2 weeks ago! :roll: It would buy us more time to come up with this before the start of the upcoming point series!!

-George

Bring your tyre warmers, youll need them this weakend.:cry:

Originally posted by Jarc
Bring your tyre warmers, youll need them this weakend.:cry:

Jay-
I'm bringing my heat gun again,along with an old t-shirt to cover up my car & try to retain some heat into the tires! If anybody feels that they need to heat up their tires,you're more than welcome to use the heat gun. Just switch it to low heat & don't get too close to the tires!!:devil:

-George

I would like to say great job on the new track layout. It levels the playing field for the experience and rookie drivers. You guys did an excellent job!

Only one change i see that could improve the track was comming out of turn 3 and 4 just before you dump into the back straight away,it was a bit tight with traffic.

besides that, 2 thumbs up :thumbsup: :thumbsup::roll:

The official flyers for the Hooters -3rd anniversary " 4 champions race" is now out.Racers at Hobby World were all given one last night. Autohaus also has some as well as Art's Hobby Shop will have some soon.
The 100 lap Eddie Herrmann Legends race has got them thinking.There will be NO quick change for the Legends in the race. You fiquire out how your going to run it and that's your strategy. I can't tell you anything because this will be the first time we've ever tried this?
Flyers will be passed out in Orlando on 11/10.Hope to see everyone out- Rumor has it "The King" might be there?????

To reply to your query about allowed chassis,in the past,we have allowed the Bolink sport 2000 to run in the spec class,I believe that J.Pilgrim had one at one time,and he was competitive with it,there are other older chassis designs that could fall into this category as well,it's just what's left out there in the market. If we allow racers to possibly run whatever they have sitting on the wall,we might get a few more racers,which we would otherwise not get,for they might not want to go out and buy a new car kit,and start all over,however,the new kits out there perhaps should not be allowed in this class,only because this is a class that is supposed to be cheap,and the handling dominance of a car like an ADX,KGB,or other aftermarket hop-up cars would be an unfair advantage over racers with a spec car. Bolink used to make the Super-T truck chassis,with is a longer version of a Legends car,Parma makes a "good times" car kit,that in itself would not stand much of a chance in a 4-cell mod.world,but could be competitive in our class,.......this is the point. If there is someone out there,who has the old as dirt 1400scr packs,and old chassis that he hasn't raced in years,if he wants to run,then he can just make a small investment,( a couple of spec packs and motor) put on a nascar body,and return to the sport that he would love to do again! If we were to race on the short-track,I would personally go back to buying my fiberglass in sheet form,and building my own pan chassis,with would be very basic,and very easy to tune.I have had alot of luck in tuning spec chassis,and they will flat FLY with the right combinations,but that is also part of the thing with this class,learning to tune,and drive.This class should be a foundation for faster pursuits,as well as a fun class to remain in,that is the basis for the big debate on the "rule",hoping to keep racers interested in a class that potentially be just as fast as the 4-cell mod.cars. What do you think?

Joespec-
I agreee w/ you on the chassis deal! How about any Spec chassis or any older oval-type, out-of-production chassis allowed? No graphite! I also think that there should be a list of the older cars that are eligible for Spec duty.

-George

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looks good! hey norrca has a spec class and maybe you could borrow some of there rules?

hey dan when i try to reply to your emails i get the ol' email return syndrom? did you change your email addy?

What kind of tires are you running at Hobby World.

Totalrc, whats the class you run?

Most in the touring class run the Take Off CS-22 or CS27. CS22 are a bit softer then the CS-27 and may hold beter in the cooler weather then cs-27's. I run them and they hook up great.

I run 4 cell stock and some 4 cell 19turn here in Virginia but the tourning car tires are helpful.

Hey Man,I race at Hobby World.In 4-cell mod,.....the long-wear tires are used to help with a little less resistance,alot of people use pinks and purples,I've got whites on the rear,and pinks on the front,in spec racing we have to use spec compounds,which comprises orange,blues and greens. Orange is firm,and will work better in warmer climates,I use blues in the front when it gets colder,greens are the softest.

Thanks for showing up saturday! It is never really a good practice unless you have someone to run with. If I can run with you,then Jason has one more car to worry about! :lol: Hope to make this friday night,can't waste too many throw outs in the points series!:D

danny70@attbi.com Try it now I had some setup wrong

Jarc and Joespec. Thanks for the info. I am looking forward to running with everyone down there after the first of the year.

Lee

totalrc, thanks for the ponies under the hood this past weekend in 19T! After the mains I realized I broke the fastest lap record for the track & if I had not been pushed under the loop I would have beaten the track record by a lap too boot!

Now if I only had a place to stay at on my way to Port Richey.......(hint, hint)