Shawn,
Great racin last Friday! I also need to finish ahead of jay in order to secure 3rd. I have 6 more possible points so a T.Q. wouldn't hurt me either. No matter how the outcome this has been one of the most enjoyable series I've raced. I will be back for next one as well. George mentioned racing spec as well. Just picked up a newer silverado z71 pickup for next series. I also have a fresh motor for friday! See ya tomorrow night
Greg:wave: :thumbsup:

Call me dude

Originally posted by metrodog
Shawn,
Great racin last Friday! I also need to finish ahead of jay in order to secure 3rd. I have 6 more possible points so a T.Q. wouldn't hurt me either. No matter how the outcome this has been one of the most enjoyable series I've raced. I will be back for next one as well. George mentioned racing spec as well. Just picked up a newer silverado z71 pickup for next series. I also have a fresh motor for friday! See ya tomorrow night
Greg:wave: :thumbsup:
Yep,I'll be back racing Spec in the next point series along w/4-cell 19 turn! If I could find a Dodge Ram P/U body,I'll be able to give Greg something to think about!:lol: Also just have to get another JR receiver and new batts for the Spec. I don't care if they're the current 1300's or the new 1600's. I can't wait on the big "T" forever on the new Spec packs!
-George

I'm interested in seeing what 1600 packs will do but most likely will only affect run time and in a fixed gear ratio class it shouldn't make much difference. Outa be a good series glad you'll be with us george! And if you can't dodge it ram it? LOLOLOL
greg

Greg,

I guess you just going to "ram it" because you sure aren't going to "dodge it" LOL

brooks

Actually,.........the new spec packs should provide a change in the outcome of racing at Hobby World,.......due to the area of "usable voltage",..........to explain,....your cells do not run at a voltage that you would see,in a static test,on a bench,...use a volt-meter,while you cycle your packs,and you can see how the voltage drops,as you go through your cycle,.....same as in racing. With more storage capacity,your usable voltage will also stay higher,and you will have more reserve power after a crash too. spec racing has finally gotten a much needed boost,do everything you can to hang on to this class!! With the battery wars that still remain,even with the advent of "4-cell" racing, the spec class is the only one where you can race all night,without having to go to the hobby store every week to get faster. For some who have been in this thing for awhile,the search for power,with 4-cells,is nothing,.....but for some,like me,after racing with 6-cells for so long,it has been a struggle to find that extra bit of power,to be able to race with the likes of Joe Malin,Bear,and a few others that have reached the top of the learning curve.The street spec class is about the last one,what uses 6-cells,and the additional power that 7.2 volts provides. Happy racing!:thumbsup:

joe you missed a great race at hw last night. Shawn Jay and I were battling it out and I ended up TQing and winning a main! Dan and both took 3rd place series plaques. WoooooooHooooooooo
Greg

Good job Greg and Dan, Glad to see that you got you a win Greg.

brooks

Congratulations! I'm glad to see you with a win,as well as the spec class continuing on!:thumbsup: Some people think that I'm crazy for supporting the cheap classes,..but there has been more than one racer,who has quit racing,...but has gotten back into this deal,because of spec racing! when you get down to the nitty gritty of this hobby/sport,.....it's more wholesome,and competitive than alot of other things out there,.....and the best thing is for R/C racing to grow and grow,is to preserve the cost-controlled classes,which is hard to do,with the unregulated technological expansion. Good job!! We need to see how a spec car works at Tuffy's!:D

I agree joe the 1600's should give a much needed boost to the spec class.It will be much more fun to not to have to worry about run time so much and actually be able to let off in traffic without losing all the runtime.Now if we could just get our hands on the batteries.

You right!!! After all this hype about the cells,it would be good to actually have them in hand!! But I know what they will do,at the track,after everyone gets them,.........they will lobby,and vote to increase the size of the pinion once again,......the move will be to go faster once again! Oh well,.....that's racing! :D :thumbsup:

I would just like to say thanks to all the touring car guys that came out to race the past seven weeks. it was cold out on some nights but it was still a great time. and yah you oval guys are cool to I always like to call the oval race because you never know what is going to happen.


thanks

Dave-
Thanks for calling the oval races this series! I kinda figured that you enjoyed doing it in order to get some sort of NASCAR/stock car racing fix between seasons! :lol: BTW- Thanks also for unconciously showing me how to properly cut a comm! I cut one during a break at the Kmart race & even Tom and Greg was impressed! Good luck at the 'Birds and hope the weather warms up afterwards!

See you at the hobby shops! :lol:
-George Ramos
KGB Nation

Glad to see your interest in econo racing! If your going to be at the race in april at loris SC track I'll bring my spec to run.LMK
Greg:wave: :thumbsup:

Metro,

I was kinda forced into the spec racing thing it is about the only thing anybody around here will run with any consistency.We're trying to get a Arcor 4 cell 19T class going and so far it has had a good showing 9-10 drivers the past few weeks.I want to run it but my work schedule got changed and I'm working three out of four friday nights and haven't had much luck staying up for racing on sat's.

"WORK SUCKS I'M GOING RACING"

I understand the work thing! My reason for spec racing is to go slower to go faster. After strugling for a year with 4-cell 19t I decided to take a break and race spec a couple of series but will return 4-cell racing this spring. Running 4-cell stock at birds and hope to have a good showing first time racing there with a little help from team ADX. Got info on Tribo drops and I am very interested in them. Looking forward to loris SC in march outa be a good time for all involved and hope you can make it!
Greg

hey Greg I have the tribo drops if you want to try them. I found that in road course that the zubie's speed juice is the way to go. don't know about in oval.

Cool Dave,
If I can borrow friday that would be great.
Thanks Greg

not a problem i'll give them to you tomarrow.

Greg-
Break out your Spec car this Friday so I can continue your ___whipping from the Kmart race last week! :lol: BTW-Are you racing @ Palm Valley this Sunday??

-George Ramos
KGB Nation

So,......where were ya'll last sunday? It wasn't that cold! You going to be there this sunday? I ran middle of the pack all day with my Legends car,......got an oval chassis coming,.......hope to get it ready by the end of the month,......4-cell stock.:thumbsup:

Joe-
I'll definitely be there this Sunday! I'm planning to do what I was going to do last Sunday & experiment w/4-cell stock. Might even run Greg's Legends car! Go figure!! :devil: Had a lot of fun with it @ Kmart last Saturday. I almost may have to get one myself!!! (Car #4??? Remember our discussion? :lol: )
-George

I broke twice in one night!!!! Well, my steering jammed after turn 2 on the first lap of the first race. AND THEN, someone handed me a huge defeat in the 2nd race by about 10 or 15 feet!!! I won't name any names, but he frequents this board!! Ok. So at that point I will not be getting 102 for the evening. But I'm sure going to try for that phat 100 pt A-main. But again, in the first lap coming out of turn 2, my diff nut backs off totally. Dooooough! I swear I checked that diff before the race. Anyway, that was it. I get a big 96 for the evening. I end up with a 502 for my first points series. Jay with a 504. Jay kept getting TQ everynight. Out of 7 nights, I recieved first place in 4 A's. Jay got 2, and Greg the last.
It would have made my day, no, wait, my entire exsistance, to beat Jay in my first point series.... aaaaaahhhhhhggg! You can bet I will bring my best game to the next series. I made quite a few costly errors this series in the qualifying runs, but "usually" got my crap together by the A-main.

My biggest hope is to get more people out there and race Street Spec. I know that me and Jay aren't that good and others should be sending us home teary-eyed. Greg proved that the other night. I was kicking myself in the tail lights for losing that 2nd heat : )
Me and Jay run slower Legends gears in our cars as to save phat dolla from frequent stripping. Maybe I need to go to the slightly faster street spec gearing. I'm considering it for next points series. Actually, I've just decided, I'm going to switch to the smaller gearing. What size is it Greg M? I guess we were also using illegal springs. I have been using the ones that came with the motor... Doooough! I need to remedy that as well. I bend my springs back anyway so I don't know if that defeats the "illegal" springs advantage.

So far it looks like there will be at least 6 - 7 dedicated Spec drivers for next series. that should be fun. So far we have Me, Jason, Metrodog, Greg, George, Chris and possibly one of the nastruck dudes. I think it will get better as it warms up as well.

I love having money left over to spend on other addictions, I mean ummm, hobbies.. Gooooo Spec!!!

Shawn

Shawn-
About the guy in question-did he drive a yellow truck body?? :lol: Greg's success the last 2 weeks was the result of good battery maintenance. He told me what he was doing & I tried it. IT WORKS! Ask him how many laps I turned @ Kmart last Saturday in the Spec mains with 2 year old batteries! I'm gonna buy new Spec packs (and new speedo) next week,whether they have the new ones or not & I'll be ready for the next series!
I think that more Spec drivers will come out of hibernation when it starts getting warmer! Hopefully soon!
Check those brush springs or how about we (Spec drivers) discuss it this Friday & possibly vote on it for the next series? Maybe run the Spec motor out of the bag as-is? (non-legal brushes & black or silver springs) Or open the brush & spring rule??? (Any brush & springs used)

Think about it now before the next series starts!!!!

See You Friday!
-George Ramos
KGB Nation

Please fess up. Make it public so we can all benifit : ) j/k

This is how I handle my batts.
I discharge on 10A then peak them at 4A,
Then repeak at .5A. I cycle them during the week discharging them at 2A and then repeat the same peaking process.

Shawn

Shawnleary

If your talking spec batteries I charge and peak at 6 amps and discharge at 20 amps and put a resistor on the pack as soon as my bulbs go out.I'm hearing that some people are charging and discharging at even higher rates than that though.

Shawn-
It's really not too much of a secret deal! Pretty much the same as what Pepe described!
I'm charging mine at 6-7 amps,repeak @ 5-6 amps or use a Torpedo (optional!). After running, let pack cool & then discharge fully on the bulbs @ 20 amps (10 bulbs). Cycle during mid-week using same regimen. Some people dead short the packs after discharge cycle & let them sit until raceday using a resistor or a piece of wire. It seems that letting the packs cool before discharging (or recharging if using one pack throughout raceday) really helps. (Kinda like what we did w/the Sanyo 3000HV's)
-George

SHHHHHHHHHHHH! Don't tell shawn my secrets I'll lose my edge. LOL
Greg;)

Sounds like you guys are having alot of fun racing specs! You are making me re-think my next car purchase,.....I would like to see some spec cars show up at Tuffy's,....to see how they would handle there. I believe that the brush amd spring rule should be opened up to allow any combo! We all know that the spec motor really runs well with any other brush,rather than the spec brush,and with the new 1600-GT packs soon to hit the market,this would be a good time to really get a major speed boost from the new brush/spring combo!! The legends gearing is actually a little faster than the spec stuff,both numerically,and on the track,plus,the durability of the 48 pitch gearing is better,in the event of a crash! The converse theory is that the 64 pitch gearing is smoother,and that increases speed,but in testing,the 48 pitch ratio is just a tick faster. There is something to be said about a driver who can build a car,to handle well at Hobby World,where others feel like they have to have a wing. There is a certain amount of "barnstormer"attitude with spec drivers,and with a few changes,I believe that the speeds of a spec car,can approach the speed of a 4-cell mod.The whole thing boils down to "close racing",and if you can have that,then it's good!! Sometimes,it would get kind of boring to see Joe Malin just cruise around people in 4-cell mod.He is a talented,smart driver,....so if the spec class is the one for close,exciting racing,.......more power to that!!

Joespec- I really disagree with the brush and spring thing. The S brushes and springs work fine. Using any brush and spring- been there and done that with the legends when we couldn't get spec brushes.I've still got my secret brushes that worked very good. It was faster but then you got the have's and have nots. At least with spec brushes everyone has access to the same brushes and springs.I hope we stay that way at Tuffy's.

Quite honestly the stock springs work fine with a little tweaking if I was going to have a standard brush it would be the 4383 not the s brush.I mean seriously if you can't afford to buy brushes for your motor you might want to think about a different hobby,it's 13 degree's here maybe some ice skating would a better hobby.LOL
I'm not trying to be mean but cost controlled racing doesn't mean NO COST RACING.

I can understand your resistance for change,and that's why I lobby so hard,with you,on not ever changing anything for Legends cars! But the spec class at Hobby World has already been changed,but we are still behind the curve there,...for most other tracks use any oval chassis,with the spec cells,and motors,with any brush and spring combo! However,....most at HW still use the spec chassis,with the more regulated drive-train rules. It really doesn't matter to me,one way or another,but the fact that spec still survives at HW,is due to the fact that we have voted in a few changes,that have made the racing more enjoyable in that class.And weither you and I are there or not,they will vote more changes,depending on what they want to run.You have to agree that the spec class,around the country,has morphed from what it was,and it was driver intent that brought this to pass.I can only put forth my ideas in this class,and maintain credibility,if I actually run this class,you as well can only do this too,.....so I guess I'll be buying another spec car,and you will have to run at HW more often,to have a vote in the matter.But for your "thunder truck" class at Tuffy's,I will gladly run what you have set-up there,and help you arrive at a good set-up for this class,once I have a car,that is.

Joespec- I was just offering my 2 cents. but at HW it's not worth 2 cents.At Tuffy's it will.Spec Car/Truck and Thunder Truck are two different classes to me. Legends to me is they way Bolink intended it to be.It has changed since its inception ( a little).But again this is the wrong fourm to discuss this. See you tommorrow , when it warms up- yeah right.

My and Jay's vote is to keep it the way it is. If we open it up we would have to vote on which items are ok to be substitutes, or, just say "anything goes." There are problems with either.

The strongest reason for keeping it the way it is, is that no one will cheat. Granted, if someone wants to cheat, they are going to find a way. But lets make it as hard as possible by keeping everone on the same page.

Lets just keep it the way it is until they don't make it anymore or they raise the price so high that a substitute makes sense.

Changing the rules at this point may just confuse people and bring less people out to the track. We already have limited folks cominge every Friday. Now if the class was a lot stronger and we had 20 people, voting would actually mean something.

Shawn

Shawn, joespec,george and bullfrog-
I think as george said run the motors straight out of package. Why would trinity produce a motor that doesn't even have the correct brushes for the class it was designed for? Dumb -----! Trinity must have been trying to get rid of those lousey "S" brushes. It's not only cost effective to run the brushes that come with them, but they even preform better and last longer too!! I'd be set for brushes for a while cause i just pull em now and stick them in they "illeagal" brush and spring pile!

outa be a great spec series, by them way shawn I'm going to run the yellow truck body all series! LOL

Greg:lol: :thumbsup:

SPEC RACING!!!!!!!!

Hello fella's. I got my spec chassis (TRC) and am ready to run. I have been reading these posts about the up-coming series rules, and will race any rules that you all decide on. I just have one thought to add, rollout = TIRE DIAMETER x PI x pinion / spur. (Rollout is the forward distance traveled per motor revolution). This means the guy with the tallest tires has the oportunity for the greater top end speed. As tires are not always available at HW, and pinions are cheaper than tires anyway, why not allow any pinion and run the tires down to the nubs??

The chassis I have is used and has threaded front axles (not the e-clip kind) is this going to be legal???

Thanks for the help.

You have a valid point,it is more cost-effective to open up the gear rule,so that you CAN run the tires down to the rim,also,even though one might have a new set of tires to race with,the spec motor needs alot of work,to be able to pull those tires at enough speed to be competitive. But,now I'm going to tell you why voting rules to benefit the majority of racers is like pulling teeth.......there are some out there that think they have obtained some kind of social status by not only racing R/C cars,but by being competitive with them.These are the people who don't always want everyone to be fast,nor do they want more people to even want to race. There are some who think that if they have only 5 cars in their class,that's okay,...as long as they are in the front of the pack. But,both you and I know that if the R/C racing thing is going to prosper,we need more racers! More cars!! And the best way to do this,at least for a few classes,is to evaluate the situations that racers face over time,and make changes to make it better,......and cheaper for all! If we changed nothing but just the gear rule,that might just be an improvement that would bring in more racers,and this is what we need.If tire availability is an issue,then open gearing would help this alot,plus it would allow some who are not on the same motor learning curve as others,to also be competitive. If we look around,there are no more major organized street spec drives out there,each track that runs them,runs them different.SO,...let's just decide how to run at our track,....and let's have FUN!

Originally posted by joespec
......If we look around,there are no more major organized street spec drives out there,each track that runs them,runs them different.SO,...let's just decide how to run at our track,....and let's have FUN!
NOW is the time to decide what needs to be done for the Spec class before the next point series! I'd like to see open gearing and any brush/spring combo. Simple enough??? How 'bout it???

Actually,I'm thinking about experimenting on the open gear/brush/spring deal this Friday (if it doesn't freeze!) & running it w/the current Spec guys to see how it goes.
-George Ramos
KGB Nation

George


You have my vote. BTW when does the next series start?

Originally posted by GeorgiaFordFan
George


You have my vote. BTW when does the next series start?
Shannon-
I would think in 2 weeks. I'll find out this Friday & let you know! Do you have any ideas on a gear ratio w/ new tires for Spec?
-George

George

If I remember right, when we were running our outlaw class, we were wanting 2.4-2.5 inches of rollout. 35/120 was a pretty good place to start with the old batteries. However if anyone is able to get the new batteries, this could be way off.

Hope this helps. I will probably stop by the track this Friday.

From what I have gathered from posts that Shawn has written,he and Jason are used to running the way it has been for awhile,they also need to be submitting imput here on ideas for rules for the next series. Sounds like they have had some pretty serious racing going on,and metro has been sticking his nose in the battle too! I got my second project going now,and should have it on the track in a couple of weeks,but for HW,I'm thinking about a third car,.....street spec. You all are having too much fun not for me to be in the middle of it,job has turned around lately,so,......if you guys know of someone who has an old spec chassis,that they might want to part with cheap,let me know.

Let's open it up so I can use up some of these old tires I'm accumulating! Spec outlaw class sounds like fun. I'll keep my eyes open for a car joe.
Greg:thumbsup:

The two things I have noticed about super-speedway racing with spec cars is top-end,and building the motors to pull that kind of roll-out.The whole thing is about $$. Even in the spec class,for it costs a little bit to find,and then maintain a good spec motor,if you can find one to do the job,and the tires to get the supreme speed you need to get to the corners first. I think that the racers who have spoken up about keeping the current rules constant have obviously found the combinations they need to do this,....but what they don't realize is that if the gear rule was indeed opened up,....then they could still run their cars just as they have been,so their program wouldn't change,.....this would just permit others to run as they would like,....and let the best man win,so to speak. Oh well,as with everything else,.......we'll just put it to a vote,but the next points series will be starting soon,so time is of the essence. It really doesn't matter to me too much,I can compete in that class with whatever they decide,.....it's just good to race!

Joe, What they don't relize as well, is that when everybody gets there car moving quicker there is still only a certain amount of that maximum speed obtainable with different springs, brushes and gearing that they will actually be able to use. That's when driving takes over. Which is what it amounts too now. I think the cost issue a few of the are worried about will amost be a wash for competetive ones. How many time can you use a rear set a greens and be up front right now? 2-3 times? Gearing would let you run em down to rims! Oh well whatever is decided, I'll be ready count on it. I'm do for a first place plaque! Can you say TQ! Sounds like cockiness but is actually confidence. I plan on raise that bar up high.LOL
Greg:thumbsup:

Talked to Greg @ HW today & said that there will be no racing this Friday night. If you don't already know why,go stand outside w/your controller for the night. Someone will probably defrost you in the morning! :lol:
Also talked to Jay @ Autohaus and said no racing this Sat! Maybe we should go bench racing Friday night @ Fast Boys Wings on 103rd St!
-George

Are you sure about Autohaus. I put the transponders on charge this morning before I left the house.Could have used the electricity for the cats.

Bill-
That's what Jay told me Thursday when I stopped by. May want to call & confirm!
-George

George, We can call it the "Ice Man 500" LMAO!
Greg:lol: :lol:

Well we have the the Ice here and it is about 10 degrees right now. BRRRRRRRRR

brooks:lol: