Went down to a 15T spur.

15t spur or pinion...LOL, thats kinda small for a spur

What's your trans final drive ratio and tire diamater? I can help you figure it out if you'd like!

Gonna hold you to that, Tip. Actually I can work it out but may need a nudge. Have to look up the gear ratio from man. cuz I don't have a clue.

15t spur or pinion...LOL, thats kinda small for a spur

Pinion, sorry.

Gonna hold you to that, Tip. Actually I can work it out but may need a nudge. Have to look up the gear ratio from man. cuz I don't have a clue.

gearing the Ve8 correctly

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Originally Posted by puddle
I am looking to start the gearing at around the 16t pinion as we have a reasonably large track http://cormcc.org/images/track/track1_sml.jpg with the main straight being about 50m long.
Thanks

With the Ve8 having a larger than average spur gear at 50t and a Internal Ratio (IR) of 4.3:1 it takes a much larger pinion than what is typically used on the majority of 1:8 scale buggies, in order to achieve the optimum Final Drive Ratio (FDR).

(spur/pinion) x IR = FDR - this is a true and accurate representation of gear ratio

Therefore a 16t pinion will give you a 13.44 FDR which is way too low for a 1:8 scale off-road buggy IMO, and it is a very common mistake with the Ve8. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone post that their temps were 170, 180, etc. with a 17t or 18t pinion on a Ve8, and inevitably receive a reply advising them to "gear down thats why its too hot". That is just bad advice.

I have run these ESC/Motor combinations:
MMM w/ 1700kv, 1800kv, 1900kv, 2050kv, 2100kv, 2200kv
MMP w/ 1700kv, 1800kv, 1900kv, 2050kv
RX8 w/ 1400kv, 1700kv, 1900kv, 2050kv, 2100kv, 2200kv
Xcelorin w/ 1700kv, 2100kv, 2200kv

In these 1:8 scale buggies:
Losi 8ight E
HoBao Hyper 9e
HotBodies Ve8

All of the above have been run indoor and outdoor from 5 min qualifiers to 20 min mains with Final Drive Ratio's between 9.5 and 11.5 and have an average temperature range from 105 degrees to 150 degrees for both the motor and ESC. The exception being the MMP, which I have the fan and its shroud removed, it occasionally will temp over 150 degrees.

I typically run a 20t(10.75 FDR) or 21t(10.23 FDR) pinion on my Ve8, and Josh Alton (the designer of the Ve8) typically runs a 23t(9.34 FDR) or 22t(9.77 FDR) pinion on his. I have found that a FDR of 10.xx is a good benchmark to start from for most tracks and I may go with a low 11.xx FDR for a smaller indoor track. Most pro drivers seem to end up in the 9.xx range for their FDR's.

Stellar formulation Tipp! I'm going to be putting that in the ol "things I learned on hobbytalk" file, so when the battle-ax is talking smack to me about me "gabbing with all my friends" naeh, I can drop the mathematical bomb on her to shut her up!

Oh yeah, and HELL YES on the Nmrcc "summer nighttime race series"!

tipp, you get the tekin rs pro yet?

tipp, you get the tekin rs pro yet?
Be here on Mon. or Tues.

tipp, you get the tekin rs pro yet?
I'm almost afraid to ask.........Why?

Wade is in for Sat. afternoon/evening racing. Anyone else have any thoughts?


im all in for saturday racing, nice to recoop on sundays:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

we still doing sunday this weekend?

Nothing set in stone yet, just bouncing some idea's off everyone. hav'nt even got the lights yet.......LOL! Let alone hooked up and tested.

What's your trans final drive ratio and tire diamater? I can help you figure it out if you'd like!



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dont want to give away my set up tricks LOL

You will have to count me out if we start at 3 p.m. and don't get done till 10.
No way I can bring Dale down and not get home till midnight. I did like racing on Saturday and having a day to recover but starting at the normal 11 a.m. would be best for me personally.

Good poiint Wigman, we'll have to consider the young racers.

gearing the Ve8 correctly

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Quote:
Originally Posted by puddle
I am looking to start the gearing at around the 16t pinion as we have a reasonably large track http://cormcc.org/images/track/track1_sml.jpg with the main straight being about 50m long.
Thanks

With the Ve8 having a larger than average spur gear at 50t and a Internal Ratio (IR) of 4.3:1 it takes a much larger pinion than what is typically used on the majority of 1:8 scale buggies, in order to achieve the optimum Final Drive Ratio (FDR).

(spur/pinion) x IR = FDR - this is a true and accurate representation of gear ratio

Therefore a 16t pinion will give you a 13.44 FDR which is way too low for a 1:8 scale off-road buggy IMO, and it is a very common mistake with the Ve8. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone post that their temps were 170, 180, etc. with a 17t or 18t pinion on a Ve8, and inevitably receive a reply advising them to "gear down thats why its too hot". That is just bad advice.

I have run these ESC/Motor combinations:
MMM w/ 1700kv, 1800kv, 1900kv, 2050kv, 2100kv, 2200kv
MMP w/ 1700kv, 1800kv, 1900kv, 2050kv
RX8 w/ 1400kv, 1700kv, 1900kv, 2050kv, 2100kv, 2200kv
Xcelorin w/ 1700kv, 2100kv, 2200kv

In these 1:8 scale buggies:
Losi 8ight E
HoBao Hyper 9e
HotBodies Ve8

All of the above have been run indoor and outdoor from 5 min qualifiers to 20 min mains with Final Drive Ratio's between 9.5 and 11.5 and have an average temperature range from 105 degrees to 150 degrees for both the motor and ESC. The exception being the MMP, which I have the fan and its shroud removed, it occasionally will temp over 150 degrees.

I typically run a 20t(10.75 FDR) or 21t(10.23 FDR) pinion on my Ve8, and Josh Alton (the designer of the Ve8) typically runs a 23t(9.34 FDR) or 22t(9.77 FDR) pinion on his. I have found that a FDR of 10.xx is a good benchmark to start from for most tracks and I may go with a low 11.xx FDR for a smaller indoor track. Most pro drivers seem to end up in the 9.xx range for their FDR's.

A wealth of info needed for fdr calc. Since I admittedly bought the wrong motor, I'm trying to compensate w/ smaller pin. for now. I do have a 2200 motor coming. 1700 & 1900 motors are hard to come by on hobby talk. BTW, I'm moving on June 17, 18, & 19, so rc'ing on or around those dates are out.

BTW, I'm moving on June 17, 18, & 19, so rc'ing on or around those dates are out.


i dont think ill make the 19th race either:cry:

Guess what i got today Jbod!!

here's a clue.....

Guess what i got today Jbod!!

here's a clue.....

:woohoo:

You will have to count me out if we start at 3 p.m. and don't get done till 10.
No way I can bring Dale down and not get home till midnight. I did like racing on Saturday and having a day to recover but starting at the normal 11 a.m. would be best for me personally.

I have the same vote, as cool as night races sound and having Sunday off, getting the kids home that late would not work well.

What about some Saturday events ? Trophy races etc.

Just talked to Norm, he and a couple of others are coming down from the U.P. Sunday.



Again, JJ, Point well taken. Did'nt think about the kids for night racing. Just our two scheduled night races for this year, was just trying to bounce a few idea's off the group for next year.

weather permitting going to be doing some sprint racing with the 10th scales at cd hobbies tomorrow night, if anyone is interested.

1/10 scale what's?

Hey JJ, well?

Text ya revo.

1/10 scale what's?


what ever you got. been mixing them together. s/c 2wd, s/c 4wd, staduim trucks and monster trucks.

Hey guys! A couple of us are hoping to come up Sunday. Have you been running any 1/10 besides SC? We both have stadium trucks, and I still have my 2wd & 4wd buggies- for now... He also has a 1/8 e- buggy.
Hope to see you then,
Rob

Hey guys! A couple of us are hoping to come up Sunday. Have you been running any 1/10 besides SC? We both have stadium trucks, and I still have my 2wd & 4wd buggies- for now... He also has a 1/8 e- buggy.
Hope to see you then,
Rob

bring the stadium truck! Mr. Roe said he would like to run them at next race. so i know he will have his, might concider bringing the buggies as well.

Yeah, Mike is even crazier than me! I think he a vehicle for EVERY class! : )

Yeah, Mike is even crazier than me! I think he a vehicle for EVERY class! : )

LOL, i think the only thing he's missing is a truggy.

is it oval or off road ? time and such

is it oval or off road ? time and such

Starts around 7pm and goes till about 9pm.

well i bought a monster truck, that class is way to fun to just watch...LOL, I wont have it this race though. and it's a real monster truck, not a E-REVO

is it oval or off road ? time and such

kinda both lol they run just the outside with a jump sometimes. very informal,
3 to 5 lap sprints you call out your own lap. and rubbin is almost manditory so bring your practice body lol, 7pm to dark

well i bought a monster truck, that class is way to fun to just watch...LOL, I wont have it this race though. and it's a real monster truck, not a E-REVO

What do you call a real monster truck? Is it vrooomm, vroommm, or whiz, whiz?

What do you call a real monster truck? Is it vrooomm, vroommm, or whiz, whiz?

its a nitro. just alittle t-maxx, with a few hop ups, somthing to break and have fun with!!

well i bought a monster truck, that class is way to fun to just watch...LOL, I wont have it this race though. and it's a real monster truck, not a E-REVO

Ouch, that hurts! In the E-Revos defense, what else could it be classified as? Its by no means a "Truggy", and yes I agree, it's a bit more than just a "monster truck" like for example say, a savage flux, but if our governing body "ROAR" deams it a "monster truck" well then, who am I to question their decision?! Lmao!!! Zzziiinnnggg, how bout that Jbod?

Funny how the race is two days away, and the rubbin' has already started!

Ouch, that hurts! In the E-Revos defense, what else could it be classified as? Its by no means a "Truggy", and yes I agree, it's a bit more than just a "monster truck" like for example say, a savage flux, but if our governing body "ROAR" deams it a "monster truck" well then, who am I to question their decision?! Lmao!!! Zzziiinnnggg, how bout that Jbod?

Not a monster truck! A cross breed! A savage or max is a true monster truck!!!

Cross breed? Nah, I'm thinking more like hybrid! But call it what you will, either way, it's one bad beast!

the revo was intended to compete with the losi muggy. ive never seen a muggy class...LOL. but that is was it was intended for. it was a good seller so they had to list it as a monster truck for sales.(but was built for muggy). the true monster trucks are measured by chassis height and trasmission placement, and also monster truck tires, (not truggy tires) does the E revo have a center transmission? i know the nitros do. unsure about the modded E-REVOS?

anyway, i just got the tmaxx to bash around, monster truck class will be cool this week, sc8's running with them!! give that muggy revo has a little challange...lol,

Well then I'll let you take a look at it, it has a center transmission, and indeed it does have monster truck tires on it! The Traxxas response pros and they over 6.5 inches tall! As far as ground clearance is concerned, it likely has all or more than any other m/t at Nmrcc, and if it doesn't, give me a number in inches, I'll go a half inch over it, I'll put on those 9" tall imex "boggers", and I run the damn thing like that! Hell, if you want, I'll spend all day tomorrow mounting up some god damn garden tractor tires!
But wait a minute, it seems that when you go to purchase Truggy tires, they are listed under monster truck tires! So then, exactly what is the definition of monster truck tires, and Truggy tires for that matter? And not to mention, who says the other m/t racers can't use "Truggy" tires, oh I mean MONSTER TRUCK TIRES!!!

Well then I'll let you take a look at it, it has a center transmission, and indeed it does have monster truck tires on it! The Traxxas response pros and they over 6.5 inches tall! As far as ground clearance is concerned, it likely has all or more than any other m/t at Nmrcc, and if it doesn't, give me a number in inches, I'll go a half inch over it, I'll put on those 9" tall imex "boggers", and I run the damn thing like that! Hell, if you want, I'll spend all day tomorrow mounting up some god damn garden tractor tires!
But wait a minute, it seems that when you go to purchase Truggy tires, they are listed under monster truck tires! So then, exactly what is the definition of monster truck tires, and Truggy tires for that matter? And not to mention, who says the other m/t racers can't use "Truggy" tires, oh I mean MONSTER TRUCK TIRES!!!

LMAO...........just gett'in ya worked up bud, i dont care....LOL, i dont even run monster truck...LOL.....as for the measurements for the monster truck and trasmission, i made that up....LMAO

I know it, I didn't take any offense, but, I can say this, it has taken a lot of fricken trial and error to get that thing to be even remotely driveable, it's suspension system is a serious challenge! And it is still a handful to drive!

I know it, I didn't take any offense, but, I can say this, it has taken a lot of fricken trial and error to get that thing to be even remotely driveable, it's suspension system is a serious challenge! And it is still a handful to drive!

suspension has always been shady in the revo, slayer is the same way. but you have to admit, no one has a chance unless you break;)

I know it, I didn't take any offense, but, I can say this, it has taken a lot of fricken trial and error to get that thing to be even remotely driveable, it's suspension system is a serious challenge! And it is still a handful to drive!

You go Father Revo,
BTW dont forget to send me some set up hints.. LOL
I gotta try and keep up with you Sunday.
Last week mine was bouncing and dancing like crazy. Pretty Hard to control.

ill bring those foams for you sunday revo

Hey that would be great! Jbod, I'll have that glitch buster with me for you if wade can't locate his.

GNS, you get that starter box straightend out?

Been away all day and two pages to catch up on whats going on, I think we all need something to do. Give me your phone numbers and I'll talk to your wives, I'm sure they have some projects for all of you........LOL!

Oh crap, gotta go, my wife found me in the basement......LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JK