Thats nice. Its about time they released a race short course truck. I have been looking between the Kyosho or the SC10. Not that there is anything wrong with my Slash, but I would like to have more of a "race" truck. The Losi looks like a nice rig. It looks as if it has similar traits to an SC10. I did not see a release date though.

sorry guys i didnt read far enough on the post i guess some guy took a sc10 and 2 xxxt to make it darn it looks like factory build

Fred,

CRC now has a conversion kit that makes an XXX T a short course. There is a link to the kit in the thread you were reading. This kit is in production and fits ROAR rules so most tracks may allow it in short course.

X Factory has a conversion kit to make a T 4 into a short course mid motor truck. It is dynamite.

PSI will also be coming out with a kit to convert Academy and Losi into mid motor two plate chassis short course trucks.

Lots of new stuff coming every day.

Ok....I was fooled like Fred. Maybe I should have read on a little more. I guess Losi is not going to build a race SC truck, but they damn sure need to. That was a nice conversion though.

PPR is a little wet this morning. It will be ok later this afternoon if sun comes out and will defintly be ok for tommorrows races.

Worked late last night on transponders and got 19 out of 20 working set up the system in my house for testing.

You must have worked all night. Good job.

Sounds like track should be great tomorrow. I will be there and youngest grandson (Dylan) is coming also.

He will bring his Slash and maybe his buggy.

Think we might be coming again this week...

So far we got 2 for sures and 4 not sures...

I will let you know in the morning how many we have coming with...

The track was pretty tacky this morning. Some small puddles in areas. Should be ok around 12:00 or 1:00. I'll be at the track from 9:00 on sweeping the small puddles away. If dries out enough will be racing around 2:00..

At least you don't need to hurry. With the overcast yesterday Steve says the track didn't dry as fast as he thought. So you won't be able to run until later and racing will start about 2. Several are away this week so crowd may be down but we will still HAVE A BLAST AT PPR.

Got a late start due to the heavy overcast and slow drying track. But got everything in and it was a blast. Food delivered to us, great weather, and fun racing with a great group of racers (yes that includes Crackersmacker) LOL.

Steve got the scoring loop moved and this week the problem of trucks and buggies missing a lap at the inside of the loop was gone. We had one transponder fail but it wasn't in the rack as it should have been and may have lost maximum charge. Steve has been working hard on repairing these transponders and he now has about 19 of the 20 working well.

Thanks for the hard work Steve.

Haha!!! Funny... Sorry I didnt get to bang it out with you guys in the stock class cus that was one great race to wach. Very clean, competitive race. I had a great time today and will be back in a couple of weeks. With Slots having its Memorial Day Race coming up I have alot on my plate so Sundays will have to be family time for the next couple of weeks....

Hope you guys were seriouse about late model boddies on the SCTs cus Im going to start putting the idea in peoples heads...

It is always a good time when you are there Cracker.

I will know in a week if I can get permission to run a oval race at Losantville this August.

Again if anyone is interested, post here or e-mail or PM me. Also you can post on pierceparkracway.com or leftturnraceway.org

This would be a flat dirt oval on a tractor pulling track that has not been used by tractors this year. 200' straights with 40' sweeper turns. If enough interest, I will try to set it up. There is also the possibility of running them at Indy Slots. I know that there are three LTR racers who already have them. If you want to come to Muncie on a Thursday night we will run the class there on the dirt tri oval under the lights. Fun track, no two straights are the same length, no two turns have the same radius, and it is fast. I believe we measured the run line to be about 215 '.

Hey I already have a late model ready to go.Lets get r done. commode

I will be checking on possibility this week.

Here are a few of the Saturday events at the Losantville Festival. I didn't include Friday since race is Saturday and didn't list the food vendors and booths selling things.

8:00-11:00 Big country breakfast at fire station
9:00 5K Walk/Run
9:00-3:00 Car show with DJ CWB (Crazy White Boy)
9:00 Antinque tractor show
10:00 RC Car Practice and sign ups
12:00 RC Races (We will take a break during parade between heats)
12:45 Flag Raising (last year done by Vietnam Vets)
1:00 Parade
2:30 Cornhole Tournament
3:30 Cake Walk
3:30-5:00 Concert by Brian Benedict "Singing Fireman" on stage. He has been here before and is good.
4:00-7:00 Lions Club pork chop dinner in fire station
5:00-6:00 Cornfield Cloggers Dancers
6:00-7:00 KC Country Kickers
7:30-9:30 ETC Band on stage. Country, Rock, Oldies band

I'm in on the latemodel thing. this could be the class we need at Left turn so we can do it on a weekly basis. I vote on mandatory gearing and specific brushless motor and stock electronics. i hate the stock electronics its too expensive to keep replacing the stock motors.and some kinda battery rule. I'm going to Toys Forever to get mine know. maybe allow aftermarket tires so we can get the best traction possible.

It will have the new Pierce Park Raceway theme. You wont be able to keep your eyes of it. oh yeah!!

I understand the changes and I agree with all; but I have a concern about tires. Everywhere they have allowed different tires, the class has died. I would at least make them short course tires, not specific oval tires like GRP, or 1/8th tires and such.

I see some big issues in the future as the manufactures have now started to dillute the short course class with pro versions of trucks, different tires, and such. I hope this does not cause the class to die out. It has been a major factor in bringing offroad back up from the pit it was in. If this becomes a battle of the truck, battery, and motor of the week; many will simply give up due to cost.

I am not against change unless it is completely destructive to the class.

I know what you mean Larry. This seems to be happening (or on the way to happening) at other tracks. We will wait snd see what happens when the SC10 Factory Team is released in a few weeks.

I understand that HPI now has a kit version of the Blitz. It comes with go fast hop ups and allows you any choice of electronics. I don't know if it includes the standard tires, newer tires, or no tires.

If we could just get a break from all the manufacturers messing with the stuff to gain a 100th of a second advantage at the next national race. Soon we will be back to short course trucks that will cost $700 to be competitive.

Oh well if people haven't figured it out by now, they never will.

buggy class weeeeee

As for the late model class. This is how Slots will probably run our class. Any manufaturer SCT STOCK the only other motor option allowed is a 17.5 wich I think is somewhere around 3300 KV and a $150 limit on the ESC. The only tires allowed are stock tires. Keep in mind you can enterchange motors, esc, and tires from the stock trucks...

Now I know its easier said then done but we need to stick by our guns and enforce the rules to keep our classes from running themselves into the ground...

I think you are on target Cracker. I would like to see the old brushed motors be a thing of the past. I can hear some squawking now about cost but after you buy a few of the brushed motors you have the brushless paid for. If we hope to keep new racers coming, we must keep the classes from constantly needing the newest and best of everything to compete.

I couldnt agree more... :thumbsup:

Hey Fred,

I wasn't overlooking you. I hear you will be running a buggy soon. That will be great. Looking forward to seeing you and Freddy soon.

I agree with you both. I like the 17.5 brushless idea. Its just not cost effective or fun running the stock motors that fail. I also agree on the tires having to be a shortcourse tire. But I also think we should do a gearing selecttion mandatory.

I dont want to see any offroad classes die in the battle of the richest either. But I as well as others dont want to be forced to run gear that fail prematurely or not function as they should. If we go with Stock tires witch I'm not against, we should be able to use tire dope.

Its also my opinion that its the race clubs responsibilty to organize a standard set of rules for racers to follow between other clubs. This allows 2 things to happen. The first is that the racer gets to buy racing gear that works at any track they go to. The second is that if each club races with the same standard rules and classes and dont have shedules that purposely conflict with other clubs or tracks, then each club or track gets to share in the popularity of the class.

The hardest thing for this to happen is accepting someone elses rules "because of ego". We as a group need to set aside rules that could equally benifit the hobby and all the tracks localy. If you get 5 tracks running the same rules and same classes that would just excite the racer instead of confusing them. It would also make it more simple for a hobby store that is equiped the rules and parts the new racers would need.

Its my opion that it would be simple to give a racer 3 classes per vehicle they want to race.

A Stock class witch is as simple as it sounds. Stock no exceptions except radio and reciever. inforce a gearing that works with each track as fits with that track. This could be different as every track has gearing that is safe and fast.

Mod class witch would allow certain chasis upgrades such as shocks and arms. But a brushless motor limit and gearing limit as before but certain things such as tires to be discussed and agreed upon between tracks.

Then a pro class with only battery limits.

It just seemed like everwhere i look there are 3 different types of racers. And 3 different rules sounds like it would make it fun for every driver as an individual.

I wish we could get that agreement; however some tracks are already outside of those limits. Many are allowing any tire on any short course vehicle. That means the tire wars have already started. Goosebumps and Calibres seem to be the most popular this week. Who knows about next week? Oh well I can always dream about consistency.

That is why we set spec tires for our track to stop the tire wars. Granted we have 5 spec tires and they all have different compounds but next year we will shrink the list. We had to allow some of the tires because the guys around hear had allready bought them and we didnt want them to have to spend anymore money. Leaning towards calibers, goosebumps, and enduros next year seeing as how these seem to work the best.

I agree with alot of what Steve said. The only thing is, I dont think you should offer more than one class at first for the car or truck to avoid having two or three cars in a class. If after your first set of rules is taken well and the class grows then you spark interest in a mod class of some sort. Steve is right about ther are stock guys, guys that are a little more seriouse, and then you got the speed demons. These groups will form out of your first class find there own nitch and then you can define the rules for them...

Im not trying to tell anybody how to run there track, or to do what Slots is doing. Im just going by what I have experienced in the r/c world...

By the way. Picked up my 4x4 SCT today...

Got the Jammin SCRT and I must say its pretty sweet...

Can't wait to see it action Cracker.

I just feel like if we had 3 different classes it would allow people to grow into faster classes at their own pace and give people a choice and direction and rules to follow that would apply at any track they went to. And with gearing rules it would come down to driving skills and proper setup. That way anyone has a fair chance at winning and that would lead towards improved driving skills.

If 3 classes doesnt work then maybe 2 Like a stock and pro class but have guide lines for both and all Tracks run by the same rules just different gearing for the different track needs.

The main thing I was getting at was a set of rules that all tracks went buy. That way when we travel from track to track we know we are going to be competitive at least in the speed and equipment department. And all we would possible have to get would be the gearing the track runs wich would be relativitly inexpensive.

I would love for the different tracks to follow the same rules. It would definitely make traveling to other tracks easier...

Maybe Indy Slots and Pierce Park Raceway could set the trend. I say we discuss rules for next summer. Ill bring the pen and paper and see if we can get other offroad tracks to meet. If we go over the rules this summer and release them at the first of the year it should be an easy transition for drivers to get what they need for next season.

It is worth a try. At least we can get PPR, Indy Slots, and LTR on board. I will help any way I can. As always, I will go wtih the majortiy wants even if something might not be my choice.

A national rules set is already in place.It's called roar and no one wanted to use those this summer at slots.

Tractionroller is correct ROAR has a set of rules. I don't know of many tracks (even ROAR tracks) that use them completely. Almost every track makes their own tweaks. Some tracks find the ROAR rules to limiting, too expensive, and to difficult to enforce. Only time will tell where this all lands.

I tried to push for the roar rules for the summer season and everything was cool untill I told them there was a 17.5 motor limit in the SCT class and everybody flipped out. Bad thing is everybody that is running out front in that class is running a 17.5 or 13.5 We tried to tell them that they didnt and werent going to need those big motors but they got them anyway and now were lapping them while there stuck doing donuts... LOL

Im not saying that you guys need to run Slots rules, but I fought long and hard to get the rules we have now in place. I also told everyone that we wouldnt change the rule anymore after that. If we go trying to change the rules then the rules will be out the door and slots will be right back where we started last year...

That being said I like how steve runs all the stock trucks together as long as there stock. I want Slots to lean that way with our stock class. Our stock class you can only run a Slash. The only thing I would change about how Steve runs it is allow people to run a 17.5 brushless system. Then you can have your mod SCT, and then your open 4x4 only limited by 2 cell lipos...

I am certain Steve would go with a 17.5 in a heart beat. We must convice some racers that it is enough power and others that it won't blow their stock stuff off the track.

I really expect one manufacturer to come up with a Short Course that comes with a 17.5 brushless system included. I expect it will be the newer budget minded Novak set up. But that would put it in a Strike and would be a disadvantage immediately. Neither Associated or HPI would use Novak since they have their own ESCs and motors.

Isn't it fun trying to outguess everyone?

17.5 is good and plenty. It will not "blow the dorrs off" of a stock Titan or whatever motor. Trust me. On Summits long straight they are nearly equal in straightaway speed if you are using a GTB type speedo. You need to be careful with your trigger finger though, because the brushless does have quite a bit more torque.

Thanks for feedback, I thought that was what you said before. I saw your question on Summits site. I doubt Dale will want to make those changes. He wants a basic class that you can buy the truck and throw it on the track and race as is. This has benefits for beginners. We had eight novice racers at PPR on Sunday and it was a good race. I think most or all were driving trucks.

hey guys if you set your speed control to li-po cut off and want to run a nimh do you have to turn the lipo cut off .....off

I think so. Is it glitching??? If so turn of your Lipo cut off...

no ....i have not tried it yet just wanting to know if i could run both types of batterys in the li-po cut off mode

Im not sure. I just know Ive been running Novac speedos and when I dont set them to the right settings they glitch...

The only reason I put in a mod class was for FortWayne drivers incase they showed up they would feel at home.