I just got an rc8 together as well as jblades....we work on alot of saturdays so sunday would be ideal for us too.

A little more on the subject at hand.... I think that having electric and nitro on the same day would be a good call...It would keep both sides out in the open instead of "Out of sight out of mind" Having both run the same day means that someone might not have to choose electric or nitro that week or summer...Both there might raise a few eyebrows and some might jump the fence to the other side (either side). Right now it would be best for nitro to keep it in the mainstream and out with the masses, maybe split if off -if and when the #'s grow back enough to have its own day..
I know if both are raced on the same day my son and I will race SC's and I will race Nitro.. Split and I will have to choose..... Thats a tuff one.....

I voted, what it's gonna boil down to for me is my work schedule. Sundays are wide open though so if you guys run something on sunday, that's when I'll be there.

Noticed the poll doesn't include 4wd... just giving up on that class? :tongue:
Notice your the only one to mention 4wd buggy? Yeah for now I have given up on it. I only know of about 4 people in this area that own one and I havent seen one out to race in ages. If they show up, we will race them. :thumbsup:

I heard that the dirt indoors will be moving outside.....
Some of the inside dirt is going to move outside to "test" it. We want to make sure its not going to turn to cement when it bakes in the summer sun. Keep in mind, the outdoor track is going to use around 1,000+ yards of dirt or more to build. There is a substantial investment in just the dirt alone. Got to make sure we get something that works good out there.

There will be an indoor track at all times, so by no means is ALL the dirt moving outside. Our goal this summer is to have both tracks open and available at all times. So when there is racing going on outside, a novice can be inside running on the indoor track. And if it rains, the indoor track is always available on race days so we never have to miss a race program.

Also, the indoor track will not sit stagnant all summer long. The indoor track layout will get changed a couple times during the summer so if we do have to run inside on account of weather, its not going to be the same track layout all year long. :thumbsup:

Because this series is done for the winter, I will be closing this thread later today. You will be able to find its contents in the "Archives" thread.

I voted, what it's gonna boil down to for me is my work schedule. Sundays are wide open though so if you guys run something on sunday, that's when I'll be there.
Just a tease here, but a new Summer schedule is on the way! And yes the idea of a Sunday race day is being discussed. :thumbsup:

A little more on the subject at hand.... I think that having electric and nitro on the same day would be a good call...It would keep both sides out in the open instead of "Out of sight out of mind" Having both run the same day means that someone might not have to choose electric or nitro that week or summer...Both there might raise a few eyebrows and some might jump the fence to the other side (either side). Right now it would be best for nitro to keep it in the mainstream and out with the masses, maybe split if off -if and when the #'s grow back enough to have its own day..
I know if both are raced on the same day my son and I will race SC's and I will race Nitro.. Split and I will have to choose..... Thats a tuff one.....
You are VERY close to my exact thinking and thus the reason I posted this poll last night. Let me explain my thought process here a bit. Currently I see several things that made me think of doing this.

First, the nitro crowd seems down a bit from years past. Now everyone keeps saying it will come back once the weather gets nice, but I dont know how true that is. So for one I thought if we ran the nitro on the same day as electric, we would ALWAYS have a large enough crowd to run a race day even if only 10 nitro's showed up. Now if we have a separate time and day for JUST nitro and only 10 guys show up, there is no guarantee we would run a program every week for just 10 guys. So by throwing everyone together, we will always have enough people around to run full race days.

Second, a bunch of the nitro guys have gone out and purchased electric RC's so they could race with us this winter. By running the nitro with the electric programs we will allow the guys who own both nitro and electric to race both of them at the same event and not having to go on different days to race different RC's.

Third, I don't know about you, but I love to walk into the pits and see almost every table full of racers. I enjoy having a huge turnout because I know there is going to be a bunch of good competition. When 30 Super Stock Trucks show up, you have to be on the top of your game just to make the A-Main! That competition is going to make all of us better racers. By running nitro and electric on the same day its going to increase our race numbers and do exactly what I just mentioned.

Fourth, this is an outdoor track, nitro fumes will not be an issue. We could stack the heats so the nitro's run back to back, and as long as we have 8 nitro entries or more, electric drivers would never have to marshal for a nitro unless you wanted to.

Fifth, we have already started to lay the ground work for this idea over the winter. We have had the 1/8th electric buggies running with the electric 1/10th scale RC's all winter long. For anyone who claims that the nitro's tear up the track to bad and that's the reason you don't want them racing on the same day as you......well we have had them racing with us all winter long on the same day (minus the nitro motors) and no one has complained about it. I honestly believe the electric 1/8th scale have more power than the nitro and are by far more destructive. Also there is the fact that we will continue to rebuild the track every 6 weeks, so your not going to run into the same problems we have all had at other tracks in this area. That being, the track gets shredded and no one does anything but patch it every 3 or 4 months. By the time the outdoor track starts to get rough, it will be time to rip it up and build a new track, thus eliminating the argument that the nitro's tear up the track to badly.

I can go on and on here, but I hope these are enough arguments to at least make everything think twice before you just say no. So think about this and again, no bashing on nitro or electric, I wont put up with it. :thumbsup:

Why not run a 13.5 spec buggy class in place of 10.5?? I could be wrong but most peeps have a 13.5 motor, that would save a few bucks. Personally if I put in a 10.5 I would just run mod.

Why not run a 13.5 spec buggy class in place of 10.5?? I could be wrong but most peeps have a 13.5 motor, that would save a few bucks. Personally if I put in a 10.5 I would just run mod.
Another thought to consider, thanks Scott.

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Some of the inside dirt is going to move outside to "test" it. We want to make sure its not going to turn to cement when it bakes in the summer sun. Keep in mind, the outdoor track is going to use around 1,000+ yards of dirt or more to build. There is a substantial investment in just the dirt alone. Got to make sure we get something that works good out there.

There will be an indoor track at all times, so by no means is ALL the dirt moving outside. Our goal this summer is to have both tracks open and available at all times. So when there is racing going on outside, a novice can be inside running on the indoor track. And if it rains, the indoor track is always available on race days so we never have to miss a race program.

Also, the indoor track will not sit stagnant all summer long. The indoor track layout will get changed a couple times during the summer so if we do have to run inside on account of weather, its not going to be the same track layout all year long. :thumbsup:

Set up the heats so 1/8 scale marshal 1/8 and SC open
regardless of powerplant.
I need a chance to get some of the SC open guys back lol.

Here is what I would like to ask. Could any of you, or all of you who voted "NO" for running nitro and electric on the same day please tell me your thoughts on why you do not want them on the same day? I will also ask that anyone who voted "YES" or disagrees with anything that is said to please not make any rude comments on anything. I shared my view for why I think they should run on the same day, and I want to know why others think they should not. Thanks all. :thumbsup:

Since you asked I'll start :) But first let me say that I didn't read the poll correctly the first time and checked all classes that I thought you should run. Once I voted and read it again I see that maybe old age is creeping up on me faster then I thought :) So I went in and deleted (since I have the power) the classes I checked that I am not going to run.

Maybe I shouldn't speak up because I haven't been around much lately. My 2 1/2 month vacation to Texas means I wasn't around this winter and I have also adjusted my racing program for the summer down a bit to put more focus on enjoying the event then just racing as much as I can each day.

I run electric one of the reasons to get away from the nitro noise and fumes. I enjoy sitting back in the pits, listening to the announcer call races, listening to a few tunes and talk to others in a normal voice. If I want to cook something, I don't want to worry about the fumes contaminating the taste of the food.... minor point but I can taste the fumes even when not eating anything.

Would running both at the same time stop me from racing at PG? I doubt it as I could pit out in the south 40 to get away from all that. But then not pitting with others would take most of the enjoyment out of the reason I race.

Okay, thanks Hank and welcome home. Anyone else?

my only concern for running together is length of race day becouse electric is already 4 to 6 hours long on a normal day , and i would not have a problem marshalling nitro if the help was needed

Also, the indoor track will not sit stagnant all summer long. The indoor track layout will get changed a couple times during the summer so if we do have to run inside on account of weather, its not going to be the same track layout all year long. :thumbsup:



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From an out of towner, I would rather run nitro on the same race day, I dont want to have to make the hour and 45 min drive more then once a week, getting a hotel would be to expensive. And If the nitro fums bother you, Ill pit someplace else. But Its just too expsive to have it on different race days.

Like Chuck said it drags out the day. I've got a 5 year old to keep entertaind.

I dont see how adding 1 or 2 classes of nitro is going to make the day that much longer, Its not like were going to run 30 min mains, And If we do we can be the last ones to go for the day. That way everyone that runs electric can leave before we start. Im not trying to start anything, Its just I want to run my cars as much as possible and as cheep as possible. Jim

I dont see how adding 1 or 2 classes of nitro is going to make the day that much longer, Its not like were going to run 30 min mains, And If we do we can be the last ones to go for the day. That way everyone that runs electric can leave before we start. Im not trying to start anything, Its just I want to run my cars as much as possible and as cheep as possible. Jim

We better run 1/2 hour mains.......that's one of the few reasons I still run nitro is because there is nothing better than running that long and letting your feet go numb and coming in for pitstops. Ahhh I can smell it already!

My idea would be to run both on the same day. Just run all the electric heats & mains first, then the nitro heats/mains after electric is done.

What time is the races going to be during the outdoor?

hey just wanted to know if you guys are going to have an outdoor track??

My idea would be to run both on the same day. Just run all the electric heats & mains first, then the nitro heats/mains after electric is done.

That make sense.

hey just wanted to know if you guys are going to have an outdoor track??

yes, we will.

My idea would be to run both on the same day. Just run all the electric heats & mains first, then the nitro heats/mains after electric is done.

I think with running it that way its still keeping everyone divided. Electric guys are done and on thier way out as the Nitro guys are coming in... Think about the paper trail side of it... The guys running the puter have to run entries and get everyone in and happy twice in one day. Might be nicer to do one signup instead of two... Just my .02 there..... Keeping them split but on the same day also makes for one heck of a long day if someone is running both electric and Nitro more so if you add in the extra prep time to do the switch over... I dont think nitro is going to add much time for the electric guys day.... Maybe later if it comes back then we can switch things up...as for the longer mains for the nitro would be great but would have to be after the electrics are done for sure.

there..... Keeping them split but on the same day also makes for one heck of a long day if someone is running both electric and Nitro more so if you add in the extra prep time to do the switch over...

How would day be longer if one is run after the other? If they are combined then the day is exactly the same length, you just force both just electric and just nitro racers to be there all day instead of just part of the day. Of course there would have to be about a 30 minute delay between electric and nitro if split. Running nitro later means fewer entries to to put into the computer... maybe 25 entries at the very most on club race days.

I dont think nitro is going to add much time for the electric guys day.... If there are 3 heats of nitro you have, for example 3 10 minutes qualifiers (total 9), and 1 15 minute b main and 2 30 minute a mains. That equals at least 3 hours. Heck, the nitro guys might decide to run 15 minute qualifiers and 1 hour mains since they would be on their own.

Revo, how come you dont have sat morn as option on summer race day poll on virus site

ok cool what are the dates????

How would day be longer if one is run after the other? If they are combined then the day is exactly the same length, you just force both just electric and just nitro racers to be there all day instead of just part of the day. Of course there would have to be about a 30 minute delay between electric and nitro if split. Running nitro later means fewer entries to to put into the computer... maybe 25 entries at the very most on club race days.

If there are 3 heats of nitro you have, for example 3 10 minutes qualifiers (total 9), and 1 15 minute b main and 2 30 minute a mains. That equals at least 3 hours. Heck, the nitro guys might decide to run 15 minute qualifiers and 1 hour mains since they would be on their own.


Running the longer Mains is one thing.. But for qualifying I would assume you can figure out who's the fastest in 5-6 min.. I would say run 5-6min qualis for the nitro guys and put them last.. So the people that don't want to stick around for the 30min main can split. But run the programs together to keep everyone involved.

I'm down for larger more kick butt race programs.. The more the Merrier.. Gives everyone a chance to race everything they own in the same day.. My 2 cents..

Revo, how come you dont have sat morn as option on summer race day poll on virus site
We are still hashing over the options for Saturdays and Sundays. Right now the thought is, some people have to work Saturday mornings, so afternoon or evening are their only options. So if we ran a Saturday afternoon program, say 3PM - 9PM and then offered a Sunday morning program, like 11AM - 5PM we could cover everyone between those two race programs.

Sundays are not a "for sure thing". Its just in the thinking stages right now. We want to run as few race programs as possible to accommodate as many racers as possible. That's why I am asking all these questions and having all the polls. Once we have a feel for what the racers want or need, we can figure out the best plan to fill those needs. Again, I am 100% positive once we announce our summer days/hours we are not going to make every single person happy, but we are going to try our best. :thumbsup:

ok cool what are the dates????
It will be open EVERY weekend and Wednesday nights for sure. We are working on our summer schedule right now. Check out the thread here called 2010 Season Summer Poll. :thumbsup:

Running the longer Mains is one thing.. But for qualifying I would assume you can figure out who's the fastest in 5-6 min.. I would say run 5-6min qualis for the nitro guys and put them last.. So the people that don't want to stick around for the 30min main can split. But run the programs together to keep everyone involved.

I'm down for larger more kick butt race programs.. The more the Merrier.. Gives everyone a chance to race everything they own in the same day.. My 2 cents..

Thats exactly it!
+1:thumbsup:

I like the sunday morning option, it leaves more free time in the rest of the day to get things done. I agree mixing nitro and electric and running nitro mains last unless it makes exceptionaly long days. Can't wait to see outdoor track

I like the sunday morning option, it leaves more free time in the rest of the day to get things done. I agree mixing nitro and electric and running nitro mains last unless it makes exceptionaly long days. Can't wait to see outdoor track

Church on Sunday's. I'd prefer Sat Evening and take advantage of the summer nights, when it's cooler. Who wants to race during the hottest part of the day.

Who's going to help take care of the baby so I can race Wed..................anybody!! anybody!!!................:)

Who's going to help take care of the baby so I can race Wed..................anybody!! anybody!!!................:)

xxx seems to be a home body and is really good with kids.....

I would say seperate only because of repiars and patching to the track from the nitros. However, I do see the benefit to the out of towners to run it all in one day, this way they can stay the whole day.

So those are my points....I'm conflooosed..lol

Hot Summer nights..... who and what album?

NOTHING will get in the way of summer night racing. If you know me, you know I live for that.

Some thoughts;
Weds nights- Outdoor Electric Racing. Indoor practice
Friday nights- Outdoor Electric Practice various Nitro Races. Indoor Practice
Saturday 10AMish- Outdoor Nitro Racing. Indoor Practice
Saturday 5PMish- Outdoor Electric Racing. Indoor Practice

?????Sundays- Keep 6PM Saturday start time, and race on Sunday also? Think we need to grow by about 30 more racers, to ensure great turnouts on Weds, Sat, and Sun programs. Any marketing ideas about how to get more people racing just lmk. I think having practice while racing is going on will convert allot of people.

Hot Summer nights..... who and what album?

Many variations and remakes of this one.

Walter Egan
David Tavare
Love Club
Night
Miami Sound Machine

(Yes every one of those bands sang that song).

Now more obscure....

Honeymoon Suite - New Girl Now
The first line of this song is.......HOT SUMMER NIGHTS

I suck at music trivia.

Who's going to help take care of the baby so I can race Wed..................anybody!! anybody!!!................:)

If ya find someone let me know I have two more for em!
So when is the PG going to have day care on race days??

I feel running electric and nitro together is an innovative idea for PG to get
More people involved as well as indoor practice at the same time.
A set of small bleachers and a picnic table for spectators might help.

Spectators are a great way to get more people into this sport... The more spectator friendly the more spectators ya get.... It gets the kids talking and wanting and we all know were that ends up... Also gets dads thinking ( I can race).. HHmmmmm

Okay, thanks everyone for the feedback on what classes to run this summer and your thoughts on the nitro/electric race programs. A summer schedule will be available very soon! The poll and all the discussion has been moved into the "Archives" if you want to look back at it.

Uncle E, I'm gonna be up at Proving Grounds tomorrow (thursday) for practice. So if you're around, you could give them to me then. If you have any big VRL series flyers/posters, I would love to get some. We have a big bulletin board to hang stuff up on, but right now, we have very little rc racing stuff.

If anybody else has track publicity stuff (Raceplex, M-40, The Stables, Roman Grounds, etc) please get it to me. Lots of people have shown an interest in checking out the tracks around, but we don't have much material to give them! You can give me a call if you want. my cell is (269) 598-4681

Maybe they could start a Day Care Center at the track:thumbsup:

kenny, you need to tell Ron to stock some more racing oriented tires. I know of a few people that'd buy them.

Maybe they could start a Day Care Center at the track:thumbsup:

No...lol please no

ok, this is the kind of stuff i love to hear, are you talking 1/10th scale of 1/8th scale? what are the tires people want to be able to walk into hobbytown and buy? we've had some nice 1/8th buggy calibers in there for a long time, but the only person whose bought them is me....