example: Moving out of someones way to allow a pass.
This really happens? :confused: Thought only those silly on-road guys did that kinda stuff. Huh.:tongue:

Bill.

I try to make it a habbit to watch my section rather than the race even though it is hard to not put an eye on a good battle. If there are a couple cars involved I try to get the guy taken out first then the guy who caused the problem second. Finding a faster grove will always make the faster guy better. Space by the slower guy is always good but making them pull over will only cause problems for the next guy's through. I say if you think you are that much faster you should be able to find room to pass clean. Seems like the fast way around is the short side of most corners and most of the time if you are the faster guy that line will be open and the guy your wanting to pass will probably go wide again. Everyone needs the chance to race to improve so let them race. I have only been racing a short while and when I started my first goal was to be marshalled as little as possible and to hold a line consistantly. After being able to run a consistant line then slowly work into the faster lines on the track then the fast guys are not that fast to you anymore!:thumbsup: Consistant lines and not having to rely on marshalls usually is faster at the end of the race then having the fasted lap of the night but being on your lid every other lap!

Rumor has it that there is a fast guy coming out a retirement to put nitro 1/8 buggy after a long leave. Give ya hint he likes K-cars. more hints to come and NO it is not me.

okay Blaze above they said marshal the fast guy first...so what if the fast guy crashes last...I had a driver drill into my head that it was always first in first out. And Champ I'm there to have fun it's a hobby I don't get paid. so if I'm not allowed to be there say the word.

+1 sir

There's a big difference between pulling over and giveing the faster guy a little room to get by. The groove isn't that narrow people. You don't need to stop or really even slow down much just give a little room then even my slow ass can make it by.

And the marshalling thing is what it is. Let them know that it's not cool and move on. Remember that it's not always your mistake that puts you into the tube. Especially when people are blocking you.

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There's a big difference between pulling over and giveing the faster guy a little room to get by. The groove isn't that narrow people. You don't need to stop or really even slow down much just give a little room then even my slow ass can make it by.

And the marshalling thing is what it is. Let them know that it's not cool and move on. Remember that it's not always your mistake that puts you into the tube. Especially when people are blocking you.

Aggread:thumbsup: I would just have to say if the fast guy forces the pass and balls 2 people up he isn't top priority to send out first in my book? Just me though.

when i marshal a race i will get the cars in order of crashing. doesnt matter if its a leader or last place. if someone gets taken out by another car, then i get that car first then the car that caused it. if a car gets involved in someone elses wreck, then i get the innocent car first. if i cause an accident, aka by running in front of a car or if i happen to induce an issue, i will get the guy that got wrecked by it, it wasnt there fault. i try to be as fast as possible when marshalling. but there is certain times when you just cant get to a car or it takes extra time. i try to be as patient with marshals when driving as much as possible, but when they are watching a race or not paying attention, then it gets irritating. bottom line is marshal the way you want to be marshaled.

as far as letting people by, when i run in a race, if im getting lapped, ill let people by, if im running for position, im more prone to race, but if your faster on a ifmar qualifier then i let people go. if people let me go when im coming up on them, thats fine. its not needed, but i do appreciate it. like the others have said, its all about give and take. its about how efficient you can be doing it. the faster you can maneuver your way through traffic, then its faster for everyone.

I think it will be a good idea to hold drivers meeting to remind people of the basic rules of RC Racing (courtesy, marshalling, ...). It's getting a little frustrating to always get screwed with traffic when people get lapped (qualifier or mains)... Just a suggestion to keep PG a happy and fun place to race...

It's only club racing, and that is why it would be nice to have courteous people that understand that crashing somebody in the top 3 when they get lapped does not make it a fun night... And does not help them either... Same for marshalling... Would you like to see the marshall walking to YOUR car and have to flip it over 3 times to put you back in the race???

Treat others like you would like to be treated... pretty simple rule, right???...

Later,
Mike

Mike Please help us at PG what should the rules be :
For Driver ?
For marshalling ?

I think it will be a good idea to hold drivers meeting to remind people of the basic rules of RC Racing (courtesy, marshalling, ...). It's getting a little frustrating to always get screwed with traffic when people get lapped (qualifier or mains)... Just a suggestion to keep PG a happy and fun place to race...

Yeah, David has some ideas to adjust the computer entries that will help out with that very issue mike. Someone remind him/me next time we're at the track, he's gonna put color schemes in with all the names. That way when he calls first through 3rd he'll include your color, so marshals know the "leaders" and the Marshals should be able to catch on as well (marshal the fast guys first or quick)

I'm not sure guys are paying any attention to whether certain people are serious racers or not. I think everyone should consider what the other guy is trying to accomplish while at the track and support them in accomplishing that goal.

Also, the layouts a high lap traffic layout. Mike remember it is your responsibility to continue the civil conversation on the stand of what we'd like to see out there. I know Ed was running me very hard last night, not sure if he knew what position I was in or not?? It was fun, but only since I wasn't "in" the race. It'll take time to develop what we are looking for and some nights we'll find it and it will be wonderful other nights it'll just suck. Just need to continue the conversation......

I go slow to marshal Dreighton because I want him to learn marshalling takes a long time and it would be faster to not be marshalled. Just like anyone who is just screwing around, I'll not run for them, but someone who is seriously racing I'll run for.

How did you guys get me to stop hitting you in the corners? Not sure when I stopped doing it, but I would always nail people in the corners. I remember Roy would come up to me in the pits and explain over and over and over and over and over again don't take people out in the corners. This is what you are doing and this is how you want to do it. ******not sure how we are going to get Flipse to stop, Roy could you explain it to him one more time!********

Darn it Flipse Stop hitting Uncle E in the corners.:wave:

Hey guys this is not even close to as complicated as we are all making it. I understand Champ's point completely. I have watched it lately on the track, everyone wants to finish well in the races so we are all pushing ourselves to go faster. Sometimes we push it a bit to much. I have watched and had it happen to me as recent as Wednesday night. You pass someone and a couple corners later they go to fast into a corner trying to catch back up and t-bone you, or like happened to me last night, the guy in front of you makes a mistake, I checked up and got ran over by all four of the guys behind me. I can understand Champs frustration and comments, and I know everyone has had the same thing happen to them at one time or another.

Slower guys, proper etiquette is to move over and let the faster guys by, especially if they are lapping you. Now I say move over, not pull to the side and stop. Here is how I do it when someone like Champ or Boat is catching me quick. A couple seconds before I get to a corner I say to the guy behind me, go inside on this corner. I go wide, he cuts it down and I don't loose any time and he is past me clean. Just that simple, and after the pass the guys always thanks me for letting him by. Not to complicated here is that?

Also, another thing to keep in mind. Last night Todd and I were racing for position, I got into him and made him crash. I pulled over and waited for him to be marshaled and let him ahead of me before I took off and raced him again. Good etiquette? Yes, definitely. A rule everyone follows all the time? Not even close. Now if he had spun out in front of me and I drove through him, I am not waiting because I did not cause his accident. But if I take you out, I will wait and give you your spot back.

Marshaling, you should marshal everyone as quickly as you can. I am sure you have seen me jumping over cars on my way to marshal someone, this might be a bit extreme, but I hate to make you wait for me. I see some guys wait for every car on the track to go by before they will take a step out on the track to marshal sometimes. Or even worse, your out on the track talking to another marshal instead of paying attention and then when some one crashes you walk over to them instead of rush out there. Granted, the easy way to avoid this is simple, don't crash, but it happens to everyone at one time or another. So we all have to rely on each other to help get us going as quick as possible.

I know if I personally talk to each of you in private we all know these things. Its just a fact that some people don't get along with each other and want to ignore a rule here and there. We don't have to all like each other, we just need to co-exist.

I personally want to help each and every person become faster on the track. If you guys are all faster, that is going to help push me to get faster and in the end the racing is better for all of us! :thumbsup:

when i marshal a race i will get the cars in order of crashing. doesnt matter if its a leader or last place. if someone gets taken out by another car, then i get that car first then the car that caused it. if a car gets involved in someone elses wreck, then i get the innocent car first. if i cause an accident, aka by running in front of a car or if i happen to induce an issue, i will get the guy that got wrecked by it, it wasnt there fault. i try to be as fast as possible when marshalling. but there is certain times when you just cant get to a car or it takes extra time. i try to be as patient with marshals when driving as much as possible, but when they are watching a race or not paying attention, then it gets irritating. bottom line is marshal the way you want to be marshaled.

as far as letting people by, when i run in a race, if im getting lapped, ill let people by, if im running for position, im more prone to race, but if your faster on a ifmar qualifier then i let people go. if people let me go when im coming up on them, thats fine. its not needed, but i do appreciate it. like the others have said, its all about give and take. its about how efficient you can be doing it. the faster you can maneuver your way through traffic, then its faster for everyone.

Dude when do you get lapped............:tongue:

Holy crapzilla.... W.O.O.R <----Chad that you dude?

Let's change the subject. Anybody know a good GTB set-up for a 17.5?? I'm looking for a little more punch.

Any way to order then pick up directly so i don't have to pay a shipping cost??

Let's change the subject. Anybody know a good GTB set-up for a 17.5?? I'm looking for a little more punch.
What are you running it in? With 17.5 and a non-boosty speedo, probably the smallest spur you can get and the largest pinion you can shoe-horn in. Gotta love that brushless torque.

Bill.

SC10, Novak ss pro 17.5. Currently running 75-28, temps @ 104 after 6min heat,

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WOOR.............ahhh the old sckool days.

Holy crapzilla.... W.O.O.R <----Chad that you dude?

It is like the ghost of off road past a little Christmas Story Punch line

Rumor has it that there is a fast guy coming out a retirement to put nitro 1/8 buggy after a long leave. Give ya hint he likes K-cars. more hints to come and NO it is not me.

Pssst, how old is this guy if he's still driving around a Dodge Aries. :tongue: he he have to be a car guy to get that I guess. :dude:

It is like the ghost of off road past a little Christmas Story Punch line
Shoot, its been three years. I bet he has no clue where the nitro fuel even goes at this point.

Pssst, how old is this guy if he's still driving around a Dodge Aries. :tongue: he he have to be a car guy to get that I guess. :dude:
Another hint was one of the best tracks around back in the day:thumbsup:

Shoot, its been three years. I bet he has no clue where the nitro fuel even goes at this point.

I don't think you even remember HAHAHAHA. I am sure it will be just like riding a bike. It has been longer than that........

I don't think you even remember HAHAHAHA. I am sure it will be just like riding a bike. It has been longer than that........
WOOR closed Oct 2006, so just over 3 years unless my memory is gone. :thumbsup:

Ya it does fade in and out. Memory serves me I believe 2005ish is when Chad wheeled a SP1 K-car

Another hint was one of the best tracks around back in the day:thumbsup: That makes it easy . CHAD :wave:

That makes it easy . CHAD :wave:

We have a winner:wave:

Dude when do you get lapped............:tongue:

everyone has their times. happens to me mainly with my stadium truck. still trying to get it working to where i can drive it consistently every lap. its really unpredictable at times right now, im trying to remedy it, just trial and error. although it was a night and day difference last time i raced it to about a month ago.

WOOR closed Oct 2006, so just over 3 years unless my memory is gone. :thumbsup:


i miss that track. had alot of fun running nitro there. huge layout.

i miss that track. had alot of fun running nitro there. huge layout.
:thumbsup:+1
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A little flash back

Yes it is me. I have been spotted. I have been doing a little research getting ready to go racing next year. Yes I remember where the liquid goes. And I'm sure I wont have any problems jumping in with the fast guys with my new K car. Of course! Anyone know if Andy still paints bodys? I have not made my painting skills any better during my leave of absence from RC.

Yes he still is painting

I'll have to bring all the pics I have of the old track. I have every layout I ever did on kodak. Thats quite a few.

I'll have to bring all the pics I have of the old track. I have every layout I ever did on kodak. Thats quite a few.

I remember a few night watching the sun coming up.

Mike Please help us at PG what should the rules be :
For Driver ?
For marshalling ?

It is pretty simple actually... and I am going to try to use simple exemples (and some of you might think they are stupid exemples, but just think about it for a sec...) so hopefully everybody will understand my point to have fun on a racing night...

For driver : drive with respect. Maybe drive like you would be driving if you had top of the world drivers in your heat and you wouldn't want to be the one that screws the race between the top 3 by hacking them in the corner... If somebody is faster, let him go by opening a line for him to pass and don't crash him in the next corner...

For marshalling : marshall the way you would marshall at the worlds (actually a better way to describe the right way to marshall than "marshall the way you want to be marshalled, because some of us just don't give a crap). No need for world records to be broken to be a good marshall. Just do your job... Pay attention, watch your corner and try to help the best you can... Again, think about it as you wouldn't want to be the one marshalling the A main at the worlds that is watching the race on the track while the leader is stuck in the tube in your corner for 15sec and losing the lead because of you...

Just apply those simple rules to everyday racing, and it will make EVERY SINGLE DAY of racing ENJOYABLE for EVERYBODY...

P.S. : I think Fred B. had some good words to describe my point too...
P.S.2 : the exemple of the worlds is to make everybody understand my point... I am not saying every club racing day is the same as the worlds... But this kind of attitude can be applied every day, to race with respect...

Yes I remember the sun coming up too Nolan. Wasnt that fun? I sure do miss those nights, lit up like a ball field, jumping from tractor to tractor, pulling tube on, pulling tube off then back on again. pushing dirt here and there then runing up the stand to lake a look. Yep I miss it. I miss building. I need to get in at a track I bring a shovel too.

when i run in a race, I never get lapped,
so i do not need to let people by, When I'm running up front (which is always)
people are chasing me and it is funny. im more prone to race, but if your
faster then your cheating.

LOL, Kyle getting lapped.... Yea, when monkey's fly out of my butt.

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Wouldn't that make things a little hot? Just looks like it might block a lot of the air flow. I think I saw something like that for the slash made by proline but I think it went on the bottom, unless I read it wrong.

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We have been running these on our SC10 and the work well no heating issues found but we do have fans running!!!

yes please dear god use simple examples champ yeah marshall like its at the worlds, but what about the people who do that already and you still yell at us like we are common slaves i heard about you yelling at a kid who made an honest mistake seriously dude? kid's trying to help and you scare him away from the sport... really classy you need to get off the high horse and realize there's a reason we're racing toy cars not real cars cause we'd kill eachother

so when those "hacks that race short course" end up marshalling your race we should treat it like the world finals but expect to get ripped a new one like its the finals from you i don't get it? answer me this one buddy all the short course guys are here running mainly stock and busting a$$ out there and you are still gonna yell at us from the stand you wanna talk about courtesy you shut up! how bout that then your not distracting other drivers and distracting marshalls from their job. you wanna yell at me or anybody else you do it after the race after you marshall and by god we'll have an answer for you and if somebody doesn't you come talk to me i got all the time in the world

i'm sorry to anyone who finds this offensive but i'm sick of this crap of being yelled at when i'm doing the best i can how bout this champ you remember the race you pulled your car on last wednesday when i marshalled ya'll and you didn't deem it good enough yeah i came out as a volunteer marshall for that so really you would have been sitting there for even longer if it wasn't for me but you don't get that and so what if flipse wrecked you i don't blame him don't yell at me for being there to try and help

my apologies to everyone i'm not a world class sprinter and i can't hurdle cars that well so i'm really sorry for not having super man like qualities i'm working on it day and night so probably by the braggin rights race i'll be better

don't get me wrong there are times when i screw up and everybody has their moments but when there is an honest effort made then you have no right to yell at us cause your the reason your stuck in the pipe to begin with, a good driver makes a different line and get's around slow traffic, first in first out, if the leader wrecks you then yeah you go first but if your gonna yell at me then i'm gonna ignore you and you can try and climb out of your mess on your own

here champ simple example you wanna be marshalled the way you wanna be marshalled shut up, you marshall other's the way you want to be marshalled i've seen you jump out of no where to save cars and we'll try the same for you but if we are bustin A$$ and you yell at us i don't really care anymore your in a pipe live with it k? great!

Sincerely
Rodeojoe

look me up buddy, i run short course you know where i sit.... just my two Euro's worth

i'm sorry to anyone who finds this offensive but i'm sick of this crap of being yelled at when i'm doing the best i can how bout this champ you remember the race you pulled your car on last wednesday when i marshalled ya'll and you didn't deem it good enough yeah i came out as a volunteer marshall for that so really you would have been sitting there for even longer if it wasn't for me but you don't get that and so what if flipse wrecked you i don't blame him don't yell at me for being there to try and help


In that race, I pulled my car over because a driver was yelling on the driver stand because he felt I hit him in the corner when he actually spun out in the middle of the turn while I had great traction and tagged him... Then I waited there for him to go back in front of me because I didn't mean to take him out... But he complained on the driver stand about what happened and I decided to leave the driver stand because it wasn't even worth continuing racing...
That was after a series of events on the track that I never said a word about... (i.e. I shut up already..........).

You take things way too personally dude... But maybe you have a reason to???
You say "If somebody is that good of a driver, why does he need to be marshalled?"
Then I'm asking "if everybody is that good of a marshal, why are we even having a discussion about marshal not paying attention or !@#$% walking with their hand in their pocket to people's car to help them out???"

Anyway, none of my post were directly against you, or anybody in particular... I just want people to be aware of marshal's duties and there shouldn't be any reasons to even challenge that... Usually people that are looking for excuses are guilty and they probably know it... And that's why they get defensive about it...But whatever...:freak:

But like you said, let's just zip it... End of discussion for me...:thumbsup:
I will not say a word anymore at the track and I guess I will have to deal again with a 39sec lap (on a 17sec lap track) after being marshalled and try to have fun "racing" after that happens to me...

BTW, if the rules were no marshals at all, I would race like that, no problem... It is just frustrating to THINK that marshals are gonna do their JOB (because it is the rule and it is how it is supposed to be), and they don't do it because they are busy watching the race on the track...
END OF DISCUSSION.

P.S. : It's not kindergarten anymore, it's real life and hoping to hear people say "good job" when you don't do your duties as a marshal is just opening the doors to discussions like that... If people don't like being called out when they are not doing their job as a marshal, maybe they need to think about it...
I guess I have higher expectations than over people, especially when we are supposed to be a group of friends having fun together... I will bust my butt for any car that crashes... I was hoping for other people to do the same, the best they can...
Some people really pushed my buttons last week and since then it has been a series of events that upset me even more... But I'll live, just needed to express myself to try to avoid that situation another time because it really took out the fun part of racing that day... and sorry if I can't say good job all the time to everybody...
Peace!

At the next Drivers meeting we need a ........

Group hug

when i marshal a race i will get the cars in order of crashing. doesnt matter if its a leader or last place. if someone gets taken out by another car, then i get that car first then the car that caused it. if a car gets involved in someone elses wreck, then i get the innocent car first. if i cause an accident, aka by running in front of a car or if i happen to induce an issue, i will get the guy that got wrecked by it, it wasnt there fault. i try to be as fast as possible when marshalling. but there is certain times when you just cant get to a car or it takes extra time. i try to be as patient with marshals when driving as much as possible, but when they are watching a race or not paying attention, then it gets irritating. bottom line is marshal the way you want to be marshaled.

as far as letting people by, when i run in a race, if im getting lapped, ill let people by, if im running for position, im more prone to race, but if your faster on a ifmar qualifier then i let people go. if people let me go when im coming up on them, thats fine. its not needed, but i do appreciate it. like the others have said, its all about give and take. its about how efficient you can be doing it. the faster you can maneuver your way through traffic, then its faster for everyone.

+1:thumbsup:

We have a winner:wave:

Good I got a bone to pick with him..... I bought my 8ight the winter he closed, now I've been sucked into this money hungry sport. LOL You did tell him Losi's the best right? Welcome back, now start emptying your pockets.:wave:

Yes it is me. I have been spotted. I have been doing a little research getting ready to go racing next year. Yes I remember where the liquid goes. And I'm sure I wont have any problems jumping in with the fast guys with my new K car. Of course! Anyone know if Andy still paints bodys? I have not made my painting skills any better during my leave of absence from RC.

How did u remember your password?
cheers

Newp Nolan didnt tell me Losi was the best think he knew better. Even if he did the message would fall on deff ears. So I'm still not sure what tires to use at the PG. How often do they change the layout and soften the track up and how long before its burned in and dark? Has anyone tried the Pather slicks on the track when it has been burned in real good? How about heated slicks with a rubber compound? are cut 10th scale tires mounted on 1/8th scale rims legal there?

I had my password stored in my memory along with everything (useful) else RC related.
I was quite surprised by how fast the gears came alive and are now moving at good pace.

So, who's all coming out for the Nitro Point Series tomorrow??

Chad:
The layout changes about every 6 weeks and it takes about 1-2 weeks for it to groove up again. There is too must dusting on the track for slicks to work, I would think.... I prefer running Panther Raptors on my 1/8th scale and that's working pretty good for me. Not sure about the 1/10th scale tires on 1/8th scale rims. I don't think anyone would say anything about it.