Was doing some maintenance on the Slash 4x4 last night, and got a big surprise when I took apart the rear hub carriers. Likely explains some additional stress/heat on the Dyson...blimey. All the balls were gone, just a carcass of a bearing left!

Wow. that's suprising Traxxas make very good bearings.

Mike at www.rc-monster.com will make custom motor mounts for just about anything.

CEN motor mount : http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail.php?prod=rcmcenmount

Gary PM

Wow. that's suprising Traxxas make very good bearings.

Yeah, I was pretty shocked. Gotta assume a manufacturing defect.

Brian Sr PM

You're a very evil man, TobI. lol One car, one class, no headaches. Just fun. (in other words, give me about a month and I'll have 5 cars and a migraine) lol Timmy you show up with more then two cars and I will take you out behind the wood shed . HAVE FUN !!!:thumbsup::cool:

Nice Job Nick. like the graphic about what ran in 2009.

For Slash Spec, do you want to list the new BF hard compound tires also ? I noted lots of trucks running them last week, and pretty sure some were running S1 BF tires (I touched some on one truck and the difference was clear) which I know are not allowed. Tough to curb their use mind.

I clarified and removed part numbers, can't really help you with the s1's in slash spec unless you bring a specific occurence to a board members attention and we will address it at that time. Without a tech inspector we are on the honor system.

Nice, but one comment: It says that "2WD Buggy Modified Off Road" did not race in 2009. It did, and 29 different people ran that class (total people, not average entries).

Good catch Mark, they had the 2nd most entries on average last season, that was a a big whoops!

Updated Rules to PDF format and added in change with Buggy Off Road and Slash

http://www.DirtRunners.com

All Rules
http://www.dirtrunners.com/documents/Rules/All.pdf
Outdoor Rules
http://www.dirtrunners.com/documents/Rules/Outdoors.pdf
Indoor Rules
http://www.dirtrunners.com/documents/Rules/Indoors.pdf

I clarified and removed part numbers, can't really help you with the s1's in slash spec unless you bring a specific occurence to a board members attention and we will address it at that time. Without a tech inspector we are on the honor system.



Good catch Mark, they had the 2nd most entries on average last season, that was a a big whoops!



http://www.DirtRunners.com

All Rules
http://www.dirtrunners.com/documents/Rules/All.pdf
Outdoor Rules
http://www.dirtrunners.com/documents/Rules/Outdoors.pdf
Indoor Rules
http://www.dirtrunners.com/documents/Rules/Indoors.pdf

Looks good Nick. Results ? :wave:

Looks good Nick. Results ? :wave:

Not yet ...

all you latemodel guys ,PRELUDE RACE IS ON TONITE AT 7:00 PM till midnite on payperview and the pregame at 6:00 set your dvr's:thumbsup:

I want to run a new motor, but i'm stuck with Novak because that motor is the only one you can use with their BL conversion kit. Nothing else fits. Unless anyone knows how I can run a different motor setup, i'm stuck. I have looked for a conversion kit other than Novak for a CEN Martix buggy, but never any luck. All I really need is a motor mount bracket.
Mike at www.rc-monster.com will make custom motor mounts for just about anything.
CEN motor mount : http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail.php?prod=rcmcenmount
That mount doesn't specifically say "Matrix". All the CEN mounts might be the same (would make sense) but I would check with Mike before you buy it to make sure it would fit your car.

You might be able to make your own plate out of the Novak plate.
Just coincidentally, I have a CEN Matrix Novak conversion and I can tell you a Tekno RC motor mount could be bolted to the Novak plate by drilling 4 holes in the right place and countersinking them. But a Tekno mount costs as much as the motor mount from RC-Monster.

Gary PM

Got it, Bob, and back at you. Thanks! Gary

Got it, Bob, and back at you. Thanks! Gary

another one

Brian Jr PM

Pm dan

Pm dan

I upgrade the firmware in my Mamba Max Pro over the weekend to v1.26. Today I noticed a flashing yellow LED on it when it was idle. Naturally I figured it was fracked.
Turns out a new feature (thanks Mark) shows that its not running in C.H.E.A.T mode when the LED is flashing. Good for ROAR sanctioned Spec racing. http://www.castlecreations.com/downloads/frh-mamba.html

Nothing we need to worry about with our open ESC rules indoors :)

Got it, Bob, and back at you. Thanks! Gary

Ooooops, meant Dan. :drunk:

I upgrade the firmware in my Mamba Max Pro over the weekend to v1.26. Today I noticed a flashing yellow LED on it when it was idle. Naturally I figured it was fracked.
Turns out a new feature (thanks Mark) shows that its not running in C.H.E.A.T mode when the LED is flashing. Good for ROAR sanctioned Spec racing. http://www.castlecreations.com/downloads/frh-mamba.html

Nothing we need to worry about with our open ESC rules indoors :)

What is CHEAT mode?

What is CHEAT mode?

Right from the horses mouth.

CHEAT Mode
CHEAT mode gives you the ability to program the controller to run with very high amounts of electronic timing advance or Timing Boost. Timing boost can wring more power from the motor system, but it will also dramatically increase the amount of heat generated in the motor and ESC. CHEAT mode timing is based on the motor’s sensor position. If your motor has adjustable end-bell timing, set it to 0° of timing advance or as low as possible. You will then be able to use the CHEAT mode settings to dynamically adjust motor timing for optimum acceleration and top end speed.

What is CHEAT mode?
What Bob said.

What he didn't say was it stands for:
Castle
High
Efficiency
Advanced
Timing

What Bob said.

What he didn't say was it stands for:
Castle
High
Efficiency
Advanced
Timing

I can imagine a bunch of geeks sitting in a conference room, coming up with that :thumbsup:

Only Mark would know what it's an acronymn for:thumbsup:

I can imagine a bunch of geeks sitting in a conference room, coming up with that :thumbsup:

And they probably brainstormed well into the night:)

Just glad it aint broken. Didn't want to have to throw the Castle in the scrap heap with the Novak :)

Got my replacement diff for my RC8e today. yay! now what to blame my miserable driving on next race day.....

Mark PM

I got the question into Bob and well see what they come back with.

Ok So I have been having some long discussions with Novak today on this and their offical response is:

"Novak has not tested the HV systems in Electric 8th Scale Oval."

That being said some of the things we talked about are the HV compared to a 4 pole motor being used specifically for 8th Scale Oval and we concluded that saying Novak Stuff can't be used, more or less it is not fair to compare it to 4 pole motors that are larger. Kind of like saying this Chevy 350 isn't as fast as this Chevy 454.... Of course it's not.

The learning curve on these brushless motors will be extremely steep and costly. Big Heavy Cars, making traction and being worked on an Oval! They may work fine setup right, but we'd be "Guessing" at best at something that might be a good starting point. Novak would prefer to test it in real world scenario and then talk about the data rather then guessing about it. That should really apply to any manufactures motors for this application.

Just food for thought, everything can be used and made to work for certain applications. What is "best" is often different then what is available.

I know what I post maybe hasn't been the most useful, but at the sametime I want to make sure the right expectations are set around this.

As I get more info I will let you guys know. All this and I don't even have ANY interest in running this class. :):):)

Ok So I have been having some long discussions with Novak today on this and their offical response is:

"Novak has not tested the HV systems in Electric 8th Scale Oval."

That being said some of the things we talked about are the HV compared to a 4 pole motor being used specifically for 8th Scale Oval and we concluded that saying Novak Stuff can't be used, more or less it is not fair to compare it to 4 pole motors that are larger. Kind of like saying this Chevy 350 isn't as fast as this Chevy 454.... Of course it's not.
I don't think fairness is the issue when comparing the Novak (and Tekin/Trinity) 550 2-pole motors to the big 4-pole motors That difference is the whole point - a 550 2-pole motor is known to not be as powerful, at the limit, as the big 4-pole motors that are now common in the E-8s.

I think the difference between the Novak/Tekin/Trinity 550 and the Tekin/Neu/Castle 4-pole motors is more of a 283 vs 454 rather than a 350 vs 454. You could turbocharge and add a nitrous system to the 283 and get it to go as fast as a normally aspirated 454, but keeping the 283 cool would be a problem and it should be clear the 283 won't last as long attempting to put out the same power as the 454.

It is the same thing we are seeing with the 540 vs 550 motor choice in 4WD SCT. The 540 motor will move the truck (mostly) as fast but runs much hotter doing the same job.

[Got the PM Alvin, thanks.]

I don't think fairness is the issue when comparing the Novak (and Tekin/Trinity) 550 2-pole motors to the big 4-pole motors That difference is the whole point - a 550 2-pole motor is known to not be as powerful as the big 4-pole motors that are now common in the E-8s.

I think the difference between the Novak/Tekin/Trinity 550 and the Tekin/Neu/Castle 4-pole motors is more of a 283 vs 454 rather than a 350 vs 454. You could turbocharge and add a nitrous system to the 283 and get it to go as fast as a normally aspirated 454, but keeping the 283 cool would be a problem and it should be clear the 283 won't last as long attempting to put out the same power as the 454.

It is the same thing we are seeing with the 540 vs 550 motor choice in 4WD SCT. The 540 motor will move the truck (mostly) as fast but runs much hotter doing the same job.

Are the 540 running that much hotter then a 550 in 4wd SCT? And even if it is much hotter is it still within the bounds of the tolerable range? If it is, isn't that acceptable then?

No problem on the PM Mark.

Don't forget boys, There's an important 'Football' 'Match' to watch on Saturday 2.30pm. You boys are gonna take a spanking :)

Don't forget boys, There's an important 'Football' 'Match' to watch on Saturday 2.30pm. You boys are gonna take a spanking :)

Are talking about SOCCER you wanker? LOL

Are the 540 running that much hotter then a 550 in 4wd SCT? And even if it is much hotter is it still within the bounds of the tolerable range? If it is, isn't that acceptable then?

No problem on the PM Mark.
540s definitely running hotter. Many people have mentioned this on RCTech. There was a lot of bitching about ROAR not allowing the 550 motors in 4WD SCT when the rules came out. That's the whole reason for the Novak 550 SC marketing program.

After running the same about of time together Brian temped his velineon motor at 160 while my HV4.5 was 120. That wasn't a real hot day. If you up the ambient temperature by 20 degrees, the velineon is in the danger zone but the 550 is still comfortable.

I don't know anyone locally that has tried running a Tekin or Novak 540 in a Slash 4X4. (Kind of like: why would you bother? If you are going to change to a sensored motor, the 550 motors aren't that much more money and are known to run cooler.)

Ok So I have been having some long discussions with Novak today on this and their offical response is:

"Novak has not tested the HV systems in Electric 8th Scale Oval."

That being said some of the things we talked about are the HV compared to a 4 pole motor being used specifically for 8th Scale Oval and we concluded that saying Novak Stuff can't be used, more or less it is not fair to compare it to 4 pole motors that are larger. Kind of like saying this Chevy 350 isn't as fast as this Chevy 454.... Of course it's not.

The learning curve on these brushless motors will be extremely steep and costly. Big Heavy Cars, making traction and being worked on an Oval! They may work fine setup right, but we'd be "Guessing" at best at something that might be a good starting point. Novak would prefer to test it in real world scenario and then talk about the data rather then guessing about it. That should really apply to any manufactures motors for this application.

Just food for thought, everything can be used and made to work for certain applications. What is "best" is often different then what is available.

I know what I post maybe hasn't been the most useful, but at the sametime I want to make sure the right expectations are set around this.

As I get more info I will let you guys know. All this and I don't even have ANY interest in running this class. :):):)

Hey, thank you for looking so far into this. I am currently looking for a way to put another motor in the L8Model I am building. I will find another project for that HV system. I just paired a Mamba Max Pro with the HV motor, but the speedo burst into flames after I changed the drag brake setting. Nor me or the tech from Castle understand why, but they are shipping me a new one. So that system will be better suited elsewhere.But anyway, just wanted to say thanks to you and everyone else for the help.

Ok So I have been having some long discussions with Novak today on this and their offical response is:

"Novak has not tested the HV systems in Electric 8th Scale Oval."

That being said some of the things we talked about are the HV compared to a 4 pole motor being used specifically for 8th Scale Oval and we concluded that saying Novak Stuff can't be used, more or less it is not fair to compare it to 4 pole motors that are larger. Kind of like saying this Chevy 350 isn't as fast as this Chevy 454.... Of course it's not.

The learning curve on these brushless motors will be extremely steep and costly. Big Heavy Cars, making traction and being worked on an Oval! They may work fine setup right, but we'd be "Guessing" at best at something that might be a good starting point. Novak would prefer to test it in real world scenario and then talk about the data rather then guessing about it. That should really apply to any manufactures motors for this application.

Just food for thought, everything can be used and made to work for certain applications. What is "best" is often different then what is available.

I know what I post maybe hasn't been the most useful, but at the sametime I want to make sure the right expectations are set around this.

As I get more info I will let you guys know. All this and I don't even have ANY interest in running this class. :):):)

So wait, are you saying a small block 350 is or isn't as fast as a 454?

So wait, are you saying a small block 350 is or isn't as fast as a 454?

:freak::)

So wait, are you saying a small block 350 is or isn't as fast as a 454?

NIETHER!!!! :tongue: more like a V8 TDI Twin Turbo.

Hey, thank you for looking so far into this. I am currently looking for a way to put another motor in the L8Model I am building. I will find another project for that HV system. I just paired a Mamba Max Pro with the HV motor, but the speedo burst into flames after I changed the drag brake setting. Nor me or the tech from Castle understand why, but they are shipping me a new one. So that system will be better suited elsewhere.But anyway, just wanted to say thanks to you and everyone else for the help.

No worries.

Blimey, just got a shipping notif from Novak. Sending my Havoc Pro back already.

latemodels are on !!!!

Nick, you got mail.

Blimey, just got a shipping notif from Novak. Sending my Havoc Pro back already.

Wow that was quick.

Question about the Late Model bodies. Is there a rule about how much can be cut off at the rear. What about a rear bumper. There might be one running out of the Chiappetta camp on the 20th. Just trying to set everything up.

Question about the Late Model bodies. Is there a rule about how much can be cut off at the rear. What about a rear bumper. There might be one running out of the Chiappetta camp on the 20th. Just trying to set everything up.
Electric or Nitro?

Question about the Late Model bodies. Is there a rule about how much can be cut off at the rear. What about a rear bumper. There might be one running out of the Chiappetta camp on the 20th. Just trying to set everything up.

awesome bumper from onstat computers its the one most guys are running ,ive also seen pics of people useing a slash rear bumper

Electric or Nitro?


It's a nitro Ofna chassis that came with a .26. If I remember right we can use the stock motor but when it goes we need to replace with A .21.

how many late models and sprint get raced every week .and are the rules from dirtoval.com?

how many late models and sprint get raced every week .and are the rules from dirtoval.com?

Rules are slightly modified DLMRA rules and can be found at dirtrunners.com. !/8 scale nitro Late Model.

Last race I was at, there were two heats of both sprint and LM.

It's a nitro Ofna chassis that came with a .26. If I remember right we can use the stock motor but when it goes we need to replace with A .21.

That's correct. If the motor came as part of an RTR kit it can be run until needing replacement.

I have since dropped a pin and added HS and on that hot day it temped 160. If I was to get another motor for 4wd sc I would get a 550 because it will last much longer. Additional power is not needed at DR track. The stock has all you need to win.540s definitely running hotter. Many people have mentioned this on RCTech. There was a lot of bitching about ROAR not allowing the 550 motors in 4WD SCT when the rules came out. That's the whole reason for the Novak 550 SC marketing program.

After running the same about of time together Brian temped his velineon motor at 160 while my HV4.5 was 120. That wasn't a real hot day. If you up the ambient temperature by 20 degrees, the velineon is in the danger zone but the 550 is still comfortable.

I don't know anyone locally that has tried running a Tekin or Novak 540 in a Slash 4X4. (Kind of like: why would you bother? If you are going to change to a sensored motor, the 550 motors aren't that much more money and are known to run cooler.)

Results and such

http://www.DirtRunners.com

For those working on an Apple IIE

Results
http://www.dirtrunners.com/documents/Mains%2006-06-2010.htm
Standings
http://www.dirtrunners.com/documents/Standings%2006-06-2010.htm
Records
http://www.dirtrunners.com/documents/OutdoorRecords_2010.htm