I've read elsewhere on HobbyTalk all the hub-bub about the new ESC's that are faster than anything that was available a short while ago.

The BRL is not allowing them for now. A good call IMO.:thumbsup:

At my local track they will not be allowed in certain classes. This is for the sake of keeping costs down for these entry level and budget minded classes.

What is the position of TOUR?

I'm not looking to start any arguements or bash-sessions. If that occurs I'll delete the thread. I simply have not seen this issue addressed on the TOUR forum.

I think a little direction from the TOUR guys would be helpful.
Maybe the issue is still being investigated.
Maybe the individual tracks should make this decision.

I fully understand that eventually all ESC's will be equal again. At least as much as they ever were. Such is life.

Thanks for your inquiry Scott, You are correct that the phone lines & emails between all involved in the TOUR have been busy about ESC's and other issues.

We have been in touch with all the major mfg's of speed controls and trying to get all our facts straight before any decision is made. As most of you are aware as far as I know no major sactioning body or race has ever had a rule for ESC.

With that said we are trying to not rush to make a rule, if we do. The TOUR only tried to set up a standard that made it possible for racers to be on the same page reguardless of where you raced. Then leave it to Track Owners, Promoters and so on to tweak as they see needed.

As we get more info I will be glad to share with you.

Thanks Agian
Allan A

Thanks Allan!

At my local track they will not be allowed in certain classes. This is for the sake of keeping costs down for these entry level and budget minded classes. from
; OvalTrucker

Hey, I have a idea, to keep costs down for the entry level classes to have everyone in the class run a speedo like the GTB that has no timing thing going on? They should be real cheap now.

just my 2 cents

Hotrod

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if you make a rule it should be that a part has to be for sale and aval. to everyone 30 days prior to a race, this would include cars bodys tires all of it.why is the esc getting all the attention when not the mamba or th AE uit won a single race?the one off race cars that some teams run shouldn't be allowed exc. in mod.notice not one ksg mono car had either esc in it and they won.AS for the brl they shouldn't allow the any proto cars in any class but 7.5!just my 2-cent,why scream about the speedo people can buy when ksg had a custom car basically that you cant buy?350 car kit 350 esc seems fair car people have been saying there new cars are faster than the one before now esc guys can say the same. Allan i would like to hear your point of veiw on these one off cars.and allan thanks for coming up with with TOUR i think you did the best thing for oval in years!and for those who will scream about me picking on ksg people i'm not HD had one and i think they should only have ran it in mod to.

I love the cost saving crap:rolleyes:...in this situation, a $125 ESC will smoke ANYTHING out there. I ran the piss out of three GTB's for three years - it was a no-brainer for me to try a Mamba. Do I agree it's a good thing for the hobby? Yes and no, but if you were all in the replacement market you would do the same and your wallet would thank you for it.

BTW - I have had more Support from Castle Creations over the last two days than any RC manufacturer....ever.

if you only tested a prototype car during weekly shows in the slower classes and decided it was good enough to sell, somebody buys the $350 car and takes it to a big event and its the first time in one and the thing is a pile they would feel like they wasted money. just because a car works great running 3/4 to a sec faster in mod doesnt always mean it will work in the slower classes

Give one to the Hitman I want to see if it is in the right hands, give me a call Mike

whats this rumor i heard about speedo cut off dates for next year?

LOL

if you only tested a prototype car during weekly shows in the slower classes and decided it was good enough to sell, somebody buys the $350 car and takes it to a big event and its the first time in one and the thing is a pile they would feel like they wasted money. just because a car works great running 3/4 to a sec faster in mod doesnt always mean it will work in the slower classes

caleb if you can make it hook in mod it will go in anything,think about what you said if it will turn and drive in mod it will work in anything.also testing proto cars in a weekly show is where it should be done,and i see no problem in running a prototype in mod at big races.

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Thanks for your input guys, I wish I could tell you I had a easy answer to your questions. But I dont, All involved with the TOUR have been talking to each other, and the mfg of ECS's.

This is what I know, Novak, LRP, Tekin, Speed Passion and some I am sure, I have forgot are working at a feverish pace to get their new esc finished and on the market. Castle Creations is working on a factory single cell version of their esc. The Advanced speed controls have arrived in the U S and I believe a new order has been placed. I am told this 2nd order will be less expensive, also these are apparently on the web over seas for sale.

As I stated before no rule making body has ever had a ESC rule. So what do we do????? As before when the TOUR idea first came up,we were able to get a concenus amoung most the major races and promoters, try and find a happy middle ground. And it didn't happen in a couple of weeks. This is tough, But we are working on it.

As before it basically comes down to what you the racer and your track want to do in the meantime.

Speaking for my track Greeneville RC Speedway only and not TOUR.

I am not allowing any of the new super dooper advanced timing type speedos or new speedo software (coming soon) in the 17.5 Sportsman class. I have split the Sportsman class to two speed levels to keep it competive. This seems to work for us. I have not made a decision on 13.5 class yet. Do not plan on making any restrictions on the 10.5 or 7.5 class.

I will share more info as I have it, Thanks for your questions and patience.

Thanks again Allan for all the effort you are putting into this. The ESC issue is basically unprecedented and I'm sure not everyone will be happy. The important thing for everyone to remember is that keeping things simple and as inexpensive as possible will keep people in the hobby and encourage new people to get started.

Sounds like it will be a non issue in a few weeks, as everyone is working on a new unit or software. Hopfully this will take care of itself and we can get back to working on the cars.

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Only rule needed for product not covered already is: Must be available to the public 30 days before the race for 10.5 and lower classes. All testing of new products should be in the higher classes such as the 7.5 and open mod classes. This was a standing rule for years in the Old Roar era.

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Speedos with timing issues?, just put a speedo in that class that is non adjustable. Is the Mamba Max Pro adjustable? Not fussing, because I know all this will blow over soon. I really like what you did with the truck class Allan (splitting it up) because I like the equipment run in the class, I feel like it's where I need to be right now to get more practice on this type of track. I consider myself a sportsman rather than a novice, although I feel like I don't know much about this high grip flat carpet racing. Thanks Allan

Russ, Hitman, Eddie, Carl you all have my phone # any issues dealing with Greeneville give me a call!!!!!

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No issues here Allan, I think your doing a great job with the situation at hand!
I'm in trouble now trying to work up a plan to get up there this weekend, hahaha, no just kidding! See you in a couple. CC

mamba allowed in 13.5?

No issues here Allan, I think your doing a great job .just want race and have fun

At my local track they will not be allowed in certain classes. This is for the sake of keeping costs down for these entry level and budget minded classes. from
; OvalTrucker

Hey, I have a idea, to keep costs down for the entry level classes to have everyone in the class run a speedo like the GTB that has no timing thing going on? They should be real cheap now.

just my 2 cents

Hotrod

Our Havoc 2S (8.5T, and above) is even cheaper (79.99), and has these on-board programming parameters:

On-board, user-friendly interface with nine adjustable parameters:

~Minimum Brake (10 settings from 0-27%)
~Drag Brake (10 settings from 0-27%)
~Dead Band (5 settings from 2-6%)
~Minimum Drive (5 settings from 1-5%)
~Throttle Curve (Linear and Expo)
~Brake Frequency (7 settings from 1-8 kHz)
~Reverse
~Motor Rotation
~Li-Po Cut-Off via Novak’s One-Touch™ button

Our Havoc 1S esc features these same on-board parameters (with our built-in SmartBoost™ circuitry) for 99.99. Shipments are beginning this week.

Another thing to consider: any esc manufacturer can offer a special version, affordable controller for spec racing, with no timing adjustments or computer interface. In my opinion, the mfgs need to offer escs that cannot be further programmed; just telling racers that they cannot use certain built-in functions will not work.

These Spec controllers, of course, are spectacularly unprofitable; so why offer them when you can charge 200+ for something more complicated?

Taking my BRL and TOUR hat OFF for a second. I'd think it'd be hard to beat a Havok 1s if you were looking at a low cost, simple, unconfusing, spec ESC in a class like 17.5, or whatever local spec classes a track may have (Legends, Sliders, Indycars, etc.)

No booster or reciever pack needed, plug and play for new and old racers alike.

Putting back on my BRL and TOUR hat, it's pretty hard to get the horses back in the barn. Guys currently have equipment that works so why force them to buy something else mid season (especially in a Sportsman, or cost oriented class)

Allan's got things under control though, so no worries. It'll all work out.

I have heard that the SPX 1 cell is out and on store shelves ...SRM

I did not mean to add any confusion, just asking questions, your doing a great job Allan. :thumbsup:
Carl

I have heard that the SPX 1 cell is out and on store shelves ...SRM

Got a link for that... any write up on it or anything. I heard that Cochran is supposed to be at Minnreg this weekend to test it. That's the direction I want to go in.

Bill

my bad the newpeedo is SXX 1 cell out this week srm

Is that differnet to the SXX already available?

Yes it is a new SXX for 1 cell racing as I was told ...I am sure they will be running this weekend at Minnrig but most likely in the MOD classes as Sean and G Honey are heading that way for the weekend ... I think Superior has them in stock

The "new" speed copntrol that SRM is talking about is the SXX Stock Spec. It was originally going to be released in Dec. I hear now that probably won't be ready until January.

I do not have any new units to test yet. I will be using either a SPX or SXX this weekend in FL.

Looks like it's wide open Mamba Max Pro... get'em now or get left behind.

Bill

They might be fast now...but after the Birds it might be a different story.

Is the Havoc 1s available for sale at this time or still pending?

Is the Havoc 1s available for sale at this time or still pending?

They should be out anytime now.

9 lap spread now between 17.5 sportsman and 13.5 cot. thats a pretty big jump for new guys wanting to move up. maybe a 17.5 cot (stock speed class) with open battery would make a good in between class

9 lap spread now between 17.5 sportsman and 13.5 cot. thats a pretty big jump for new guys wanting to move up. maybe a 17.5 cot (stock speed class) with open battery would make a good in between class

Hate to say this but I have to agree!

might need to. good grief andy went 69 at greeneville in 7.5. They weren't doing that in open mod.

might have to drop everyone a motor. COT run 17.5 next year and 10.5 run 13.5. 7.5 is now way way fast and 10.5 is getting really fast.

9 lap spread now between 17.5 sportsman and 13.5 cot. thats a pretty big jump for new guys wanting to move up. maybe a 17.5 cot (stock speed class) with open battery would make a good in between class

IMO, I would rather see every class change turns, and keep the same classes than to add another class in between the 17.5 and 13.5.

Not that adding a class is a bad idea really, but I think the current class structure is really well done, so rather than change the classes, change the motors in the class.

IMO, I would rather see every class change turns, and keep the same classes than to add another class in between the 17.5 and 13.5.

Not that adding a class is a bad idea really, but I think the current class structure is really well done, so rather than change the classes, change the motors in the class.

that's what i was trying to say.

Prediction of the future...

ESC's continue to advance and classes continue to get faster.

21.5 Single cell becomes new truck class
17.5 becomes new COT
13.5 replaces 10.5
10.5 replaces 7.5
7.5 is reserved for the very few of us that can drive a car that fast.

Bill

Prediction of the future...

ESC's continue to advance and classes continue to get faster.

21.5 Single cell becomes new truck class
17.5 becomes new COT
13.5 replaces 10.5
10.5 replaces 7.5
7.5 is reserved for the very few of us that can drive a car that fast.

Bill

I could certainly see that happening. The bigger question is once these other ESC companies catch up to the Mamba and AE, how much faster can we really go from there?

I think there will come a time when just like ESC's of the past, we will reach a limit with them, and things will level out for a while.

that's what i was trying to say.

that would work. theres always just drop 10.5 then theres just two big steps