Just wondering what the thoughts or comments are from the members of QSAC on a class of 8.5 plates for Sprint cars. I know that QSAC does not have a class for the 8.5 plates.

Local track call me and ask me what my thoughts were. I see good and bad. I know a few guys sit on the sideline or has race a few times and said they are not ready to race with 10.5 classes because they don’t what to tear somebody up. I know at least 3 people called me about the plates and said they would like to see an 8.5 class just to get there feet wet before moving up. These guys never race a quarter before however, with the sprint car class not being very big, divided the class won’t be good either but I too would like to see a full field of cars when I show up then again without more new members joining in, less income for the track to receive.

With the stock cars class it seems that the class with the 8.5 is the larger over the 10.5 but do you really notice any better handling or control over the two.

Is this something to get new members to join? Iowa is a hot bed for sprint cars (full size) and a lot of people are more interested in sprint cars versus G.N. when looking into purchasing a ¼ scale but it goes back to “ I don’t want to tear somebody up” excuse.

Before I commit to racing in that class at that track I mention, I would like to know the pros or cons. Is this something that the QSAC would look into in the future for more new members?

Mike
www.willmannracingproducts.com

Mike.1st and formost there are not any QSAC GODS. There is only 1 god. I do not see people wanting to jump off into a sprinter without any Q scale history, It will make alot want out very soon as these are on the fragile side. Can you say 1 crash = a wasted chassis . When you can't full field every time there is no need for division
in the class . And this is my .00002 worth not much.

Don't race if you don't want to tear something up. LOL 8.5 to 10.5 . your going to tear something up with both plates. and I bet you couldn't tell which plate you had in when looking at the damage. for someone new it may help to start with 8.5 to get a feel for the car and how it reacts to inputs . its not like driving a pan car.
10.5 will give you a 10th more speed on the clock. tell them to practice with 8.5 until they feel like they understand how the car feels and they can run a whole tank without hitting the wall, then strap in 10.5 and get used to how that feels.
8.5 isn't going to stop anyone from tearing anything up.

Mike if that is what they want to do,, let them do it,, a entry level class is not a bad idea ,It will give them a chance to learn the car and how it handle's , Robert :thumbsup:

8.5 plate will masks problems on a sprint as they do with cars different setups would only miss lead a person on getting there feet wet I run sprint and sportsman do those 2 back to back in heat races you will see a huge difference in throttle control and corner timing but no matter the size of the plate you can still ball them up so the best thing to do is jump in it and get lots of track time alone if you can so you know what to expect

Mike.1st and formost there are not any QSAC GODS. There is only 1 god. I do not see people wanting to jump off into a sprinter without any Q scale history, It will make alot want out very soon as these are on the fragile side. Can you say 1 crash = a wasted chassis . When you can't full field every time there is no need for division
in the class . And this is my .00002 worth not much.

First off I want to disagree with the above statement one crash and one wasted chassis. In the old days maybe so but not today. I ran a chassis for over four years and it still is racable. Yes, they are more prone to damage when wrecked vs. a stock car but they are not junk after one wreck as a rule.
Now we have classes for those wanting to get started and SPRINT cars are not it. I only race sprints and I have worked for many years to get the class where it is today. It is still not big enough to split into two classes. Leave it alone.
Running a quaterscale car is different than smaller scales. They react slower and have different ways of handeling. If they insist on a sprint car then track time is what is needed. Mostly alone on the track to start and gradually add more cars. Remember in open wheel classes RUBBIN is NOT racin its a crash. One more thing, respect for the other racer that has the spot you want is the most important thing.

Hummmmm. Great question. I think that if there are people that show up and want to race with an 8.5 on sprinter, let em race. If the class takes hold, QSAC can adopt the rules for the class and even make it part of the NCS. I think the thing is to not force the issue on people that want to run 10.5.

For trying it out, maybe you could adopt a multi class sprint car race where say if you have 5 people that want to run 10.5 and 3 that want to run 8.5, put them all in one race. You can award a first place for each class within the same race and that way everyone gets to race with eachother and learn how to control thier cars. I think it depends on the racers if they want to try that, just an idea...

Glad to hear that there is intrest in the class anyway.

NO to 8.5 sprint you won't learn anything buy it sprint is not a beginner class I don't apose growth of sprint but it don't need the misconception of being other than what it is a premiere class

I think Sprint should be 10.5. I always tell newbies to not start off in the sprint class (even though they look cool)....They are just to fragile for the new racers.

If any class needs 8.5 its truck. :)

Mike.1st and formost there are not any QSAC GODS. There is only 1 god. I do not see people wanting to jump off into a sprinter without any Q scale history, It will make alot want out very soon as these are on the fragile side. Can you say 1 crash = a wasted chassis . When you can't full field every time there is no need for division
in the class . And this is my .00002 worth not much.
Hey slider i think .00002 is what we all be worth after.The health care bill is passed.
Ed

That is good Ed LOL

I for one am in this very position right now. I saw the sprints in iowa so i went out and bought one. I have no laps in rc of any kind. Did i do the wrong thing?, probably but..... would i have gone out and bought a stock car? the answer is no probably not. Isn't some new blood better than none? So now i have to live with my decision and will have to put in my time on my own because the quote "i don't want to tear anyone up" was my very first concern when talking to Denny and Dennis Andrews in Boulder City last weekend. I am ok with how long it takes to become confident in my own ability to be smooth and stay out of trouble. From a newbie perspective it doesn't seem like there are enough sprints for 2 classes, just my 2 cents
so Boulder City here i come, just looking for laps, laps ,laps on my own, until i do my time
Mike Huts
La Sal, Utah :thumbsup:

It was great talking with you up there in Boulder Mike! It will be nice to have a new guy running with us even though that has to be a long hull from Utah, right? But anyways I hope we didn't discourage you in any way, Yeah they are fragile, but fun as can be! Just keep on doing what you have been as far as parking lots and come on down to our next race and get some laps... You'll have plenty of help there to get you going the right direction! :thumbsup:

Denny

not discouraged at all Denny, actually i was encouraged by the amount of help offered.
Its about 8 hours from here, but i am sure it will be worth it. I sent off my qsac membership today and i can't wait to get going with it.
Mike

I agree.:thumbsup:

We had many guys that thought GN was the only way to go at LPR. We proved them wrong! Even three seasons after adopting the Sportsman class as our premier class, there has been little interest to spark growth in a GN class.

And yes, the 8.5 Sprinter class if offered, would most likely top attendance over the 10.5 sprinter class within a couple of seasons. That is why you are seeing opposition for it here.


Hummmmm. Great question. I think that if there are people that show up and want to race with an 8.5 on sprinter, let em race. If the class takes hold, QSAC can adopt the rules for the class and even make it part of the NCS. I think the thing is to not force the issue on people that want to run 10.5.

For trying it out, maybe you could adopt a multi class sprint car race where say if you have 5 people that want to run 10.5 and 3 that want to run 8.5, put them all in one race. You can award a first place for each class within the same race and that way everyone gets to race with eachother and learn how to control thier cars. I think it depends on the racers if they want to try that, just an idea...

Glad to hear that there is intrest in the class anyway.

First off there is an old saying, IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON"T FIX IT. The sprint car class is fine as it is. For those of you who do not run sprints, why are you promoting changing the class. I have been many years building this class up with the help of a few others. Randy Baker and myself have traveled to many races only to find just enough cars to make a class. We now enjoy the fact that we have a fairly solid class of cars and now some of you want to destroy that by changing the class. People that don't even run sprints want to change or divide the class. Don't make sense to me. How about I start campaigning for changes to the sportsman class, at least I own one or two even though I choose no to race them. I also have a super truck or two and an Indy car and a couple of drag cars so I know the cars and classes. Lets see. First off lets get rid of the IRS rear ends and go back to a solid axle. Don't tell me they don't work and its hard to set up the car. (sprinters do it every race). Next lets get rid of those big 3 inch spoilers and run a two inch spoiler. Don't tell me it don't work I've run them. Lets see what else I can think up to change, what you don't want change, well neither do sprint car owner/drivers. We love our class just as it is. If all cars were running 8.5 plates( I don't really think that it will go that way, and I don't see where you can predict it will out grow the current setup) that would be fine but there is NO reason to divide a class that has come back from the non exsisting. This class died after the 1996 Knoxville Nationals and is now a viable class leave it alone.
Aussie fan. I respect your decision to buy a sprinter. I wish you nothing but happy times with your car. If I can be of any help with it I will be most happy to assist you. If someone comes to me and wants a sprinter I will do my best to see that they get one and have fun with it no matter what level of experience they have in RC. I have loaned people sprint cars and got them into the class just to help build the class. Ask Todd Holloway how he got hooked on a sprint car. Ask Will Landers how he and Gilly got hooked on sprinters.
Look at the Grand national class and how people complain about the cherry pickin when a GN driver runs sportsman. Fact is the GN class was divide and then one died and see what you have now.
The opinions expressed in this post are mine and mine only and I stand behind them 100%.

I agree.:thumbsup:

We had many guys that thought GN was the only way to go at LPR. We proved them wrong! Even three seasons after adopting the Sportsman class as our premier class, there has been little interest to spark growth in a GN class.

And yes, the 8.5 Sprinter class if offered, would most likely top attendance over the 10.5 sprinter class within a couple of seasons. That is why you are seeing opposition for it here.


tim we are talking about haveing a GN class at lpr next year been kicked around buy a few of us that need to move out of sportsman and as for 8.5 plate sprint if we went to that i would make someone a deal on 2 sprinters cause i would not run it hell i would rather see a all one car class instead of sportsman and GN as that :wave:

Yeah, that was the talk in the 2008 season for 2009 too.

As far as me saying the sprints should run the 8.5 plate well that's not what I posted. My post simply said I think it would most likely out grow the 10.5. ;) tim we are talking about haveing a GN class at lpr next year been kicked around buy a few of us that need to move out of sportsman and as for 8.5 plate sprint if we went to that i would make someone a deal on 2 sprinters hell i would rather see a all one car class instead of sportsman and GN as that :wave:

I would say if a track wants to run the 8.5 plate in Sprint cars , GO FOR IT! Just make sure that the guys racing know that they cannot race a QSAC race that way. After sometime they may move up to the 10.5 and build that class. Get them in and get them hooked, build at the local level with whatever it takes to get people to race, QSAC does not have to support them all and should not thats what makes the classes elite.

well tim its probly gona happen in 2010 as for 8.5 outgrowing 10.5 sprint would never happen sportsman is allready a denuted class we dont want the sprints that way

Awe common Will, you know the Sportsman class is where it's at.:thumbsup: That's why you race it at LPR and the NCS. Plus, look at the NCS final standings for car counts. Look at how many tracks are running sportsman, some with big races/events for sportsman only classes.

Again, I'm not knocking the 10.5 sprint class. I say let'em run what ever they think will work. If it doesn't try something else.

PS. I'm not sure what denuted means but it sounds like a painful process...LOL:thumbsup:


well tim its probly gona happen in 2010 as for 8.5 outgrowing 10.5 sprint would never happen sportsman is allready a denuted class we dont want the sprints that way

Well said :thumbsup:I would say if a track wants to run the 8.5 plate in Sprint cars , GO FOR IT! Just make sure that the guys racing know that they cannot race a QSAC race that way. After sometime they may move up to the 10.5 and build that class. Get them in and get them hooked, build at the local level with whatever it takes to get people to race, QSAC does not have to support them all and should not thats what makes the classes elite.

Awe common Will, you know the Sportsman class is where it's at.:thumbsup: That's why you race it at LPR and the NCS. Plus, look at the NCS final standings for car counts. Look at how many tracks are running sportsman, some with big races/events for sportsman only classes.

Again, I'm not knocking the 10.5 sprint class. I say let'em run what ever they think will work. If it doesn't try something else.

PS. I'm not sure what denuted means but it sounds like a painful process...LOL:thumbsup:im not running sportsman next year at eather and denuted means it aint got no balls even when a sportsman car is fast it feels flat and no rip

I wish there would be more interest in Sprint Car Racing At MPR maybe a weekly or even bi weekly basis which would work better for me anyway. I am planning on building a sprinter this winter to hopefully race at MPR and maybe a couple times at Ingalls but if there is not enough sprinters for a class I will have my GN car that I just picked up a week or so ago and ill be getting that ready to this winter for next race season
Thanks

Oh Gotcha.

You know, you may have hit on something there. "Flat & no rip" is probably the reason the 8.5 plate was added. You have to admit, it has helped club racing. We all know that club and local track racing is where it starts and ends anyway. If it keeps a track moving in the positive direction then it must be working. So, why not be open minded about the 8.5 sprint class at LRP? If so, there might be enough there to have a regular class? :thumbsup:



denuted means it aint got no balls even when a sportsman car is fast it feels flat and no rip

hey Willy...who's gonna set up your GN car next year...so far all your 10.5 plate cars are set up by other people! lol ...sorry man i couldnt resist...i love dumping gas on camp fires!

Scott, it's funny that you mention this. There was a LOCAL discussion earlier in the season about trying it at LPR.

If any class needs 8.5 its truck. :)

because if i destroy my sprint it will be on my terms and have no intrest in it granted 8.5 helps tracks out but it dosent take long to take the fun out of it granted some think gn was runied buy a hand full of drivers so was born sportsman but im not scared the reason those guys brent,mark.a,roger,scott.s are so good is because they know there sheet and i want to move up plus the repair bill will be less on a race to race basis

hey Willy...who's gonna set up your GN car next year...so far all your 10.5 plate cars are set up by other people! lol ...sorry man i couldnt resist...i love dumping gas on camp fires!dont know yet who that lucky one is yet and i love drinking gas just to piss on your camp fire

Will, not trying to get under your skin, but if what you are saying is true, why didn't you race GN this season at the NCS races? You were the one pushing for the GN class last year and said the same then about the GN racers then. Once again, I'm not trying to piss you off or prove you wrong but more or less give support for my opinion. And like Fred, I support mine 100% too.

Nevertheless, if a GN class developes at LPR in 2010, I wouldn't go out of my way oppose it nor would I a 10.5 Sprint.:thumbsup:
because if i destroy my sprint it will be on my terms and have no intrest in it granted 8.5 helps tracks out but it dosent take long to take the fun out of it granted some think gn was runied buy a hand full of drivers so was born sportsman but im not scared the reason those guys brent,mark.a,roger,scott.s are so good is because they know there sheet and i want to move up plus the repair bill will be less on a race to race basis

dont know yet who that lucky one is yet and i love drinking gas just to piss on your camp fire



you were always good at makin the fire bigger!

tim you aint getting under my skin it takes more than this i didnt run it this year because i could not run it weekly to learn the diffrences in what i need in the car and the club decided to run truck instead sprints are completely diffrent but i faired well in those do to outside help and they suit my style more

i can say here at our track (ingalls) we have a good turnout of sprinters. last year there was several newcomers to quarterscale racing. alot of them returned this year with sprinters's in hand! and they all did very well! with no major issues. of course, one may look at restrictor plate as per track size, our's isn't the biggest track. but, you do get rip off the turns as will say's!

WOW..you guys been busy today!!

Hey Mike, If I remember correctly we lost more cars in the fence this year due to bad glitches than ruff driving. I know you and I both sent our cars sailing off the track more than once. Not so sure the 8.5 plate would have made the difference?? I'd like to keep the 10.5 in my sprinter.
Terry

I think we should leave sprint class alone i just came back to 1/4 scales this season i to never want to tear up someone elses car 6years ago i jumped into a sprint car with the ingalls club and my first race with the car i took out 3 really good race cars because i made a mistake with the radio nothing to do with the race car i offerd to fix those guys cars and was told every one makes mistakes so dont worry about it. This year i came back and ran the bush class and at the end of season bought another sprinter i have ran it 2 races now with a 3and 4 place finish yes i said finish the sprint car class is fine just the way it is its the guy behind the radio that has to use his or her head please dont change anything.

Hey Mike, If I remember correctly we lost more cars in the fence this year due to bad glitches than ruff driving. I know you and I both sent our cars sailing off the track more than once. Not so sure the 8.5 plate would have made the difference?? I'd like to keep the 10.5 in my sprinter.
Terry

Terry: I hear ya. We did have some good racing between us didn't we. (sorry about the nerf job i gave on you last time i was up there...outch)

A lot of good answers here and a lot to think about. For me its what ever the track rules will be is what i will run. I like to support both tracks what ever they decide on for plate rules is ok with me. I just want to race...bottom line. I believe he said that the 10.5 class was still be there however, he was going to have a 8.5 class because some drivers ask for it. According to the promotor, about 6 drivers had ask for the 8.5 plate and some guys have even ask for not having any plates at all, just let her RIP. Not sure how the other track feels about it but i don't think they like the idea.

Either way it should make for some interesting winter talk for the iowa guys this year. Hopefully both tracks can come to a better understanding what make's them profitable. With no tracks to race on we all be sitting home or playing on a parking lot.

Thanks Guys:wave:

Mike, will you be able to make to Des Moines in Jan.? I have a lot of family, co-workers and friends who are planning on attending this one. Sure hope to see you there.
Terry

From Fred:

First off there is an old saying, IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON"T FIX IT. The sprint car class is fine as it is. For those of you who do not run sprints, why are you promoting changing the class.


Fred,
Ummm. Wasn't trying to get your dander up.:wave: I'm entitled to my opinion whether I drive the class or not. I may want a sprinter at some point. With that said, I did not say I was promoting another sprint car class, or divide it up. All I said was if the racer wants to put on an 8.5 and run, let him/her run. They can figure out when and if they want to put a 10.5 in. If the want to run with other 8.5 plate racers, they should be allowed to do so.

What I also said was that IF there is enough intrest in this or any other class that is not already defined, QSAC can setup rules or guidlines to define the class for QSAC events. There is a mechanisim in the QSAC bylaws that allow the membership to do that. That is a long way from promoting the division of the class.

All the sprint car guys in my opinion are better at helping each other than the other clases. That is not to say no one helps in the other classes. Just seems like you all do a better job of it.

I hope this clears any confusion up. Please feel free to poke holes in it and call me names. Just remember, I can fire back.:tongue:

The sprintcar class isn't for the faint hearted . There is no such thing as a little crash with a sprinter , doesn't matter if a 10.5 or 8.5 plate is used , do to the fact that the suspension is all exposed . What needs to be learned driving an open wheel car is patience , rubbing is not racing , although at times it happens . Over agressive driving is gonna cost somebody and sometimes more often than not driving that way will bite ya in the butt . Been on both ends of that deal . If everybody would picture themselves being in what ever they are trying to aim ( sprint , truck , gn , sportsman ) they wouldn't be spinning or crashing as much knowing it's gonna cause some bodily damage , instead they'd get off the track and make some adjustments to make whatever they're driving handle . Mike started this thread wanting to know if dropping to a 8.5 plate in sprints to grow some interest would be ok . QSAC has always said whatever a club or local organization needs to do to gain members or keep the interest up locally is fine , but when it comes to the NCS series there is a set of rules to be followed no matter what the class is . Whatever the Tri-State or Corn Belt series or any other series decides to do is up to those organizers respectively . I don't think Mike's intent was to change the QSAC sprint car rules to an 8.5 plate class . Bottom line , locally do what you need to do to create interest or keep it going keeping in mind that the QSAC rules are a guide line and the bible for the NCS SERIES . So if anybody plans on running a NCS race read the rules and follow them , if anybody plans to venture out and travel to another local club race be prepared to run by that organizations rules if you want to race .

Now to be the devils advocate , it was mentioned to group the 10.5 plate and proposed 8.5 plate sprints together . Hey why not do that for all the classes ; one stock car class , one truck class , one sprint class , run whatever plate you want , 10.5 or 8.5 QSAC legal plate of course and where you finish you finish , no seperation of awards for 10.5 or 8.5 . I think some of us would be surprised of the results or embarrassed that we didn't do better .

Jim:
I am not calling anyone names, don't plan on it either. Now for the things that are. As a local track or club, there are provisions in the QSAC rules that allow for a local class or you can state it this way. You can run whatever class that fills your clubs needs. Therefore if the tracks in Iowa want to run the 8.5 plate on sprinters then they have that right. The West coast clubs have had there open wheel class for years and they are different than QSAC sprint car rules. I don't have a problem with a track or club running what they want UNLESS it would pose a safety issue. These tracks and racers should understand that their local class is just that a local class. My concern is the division of a stable class. I have been doing 1/4 scale racing far longer than the majority of QSAC members and I have watched it grow and decline. My position is one of what is best for the overall growth of QSAC. I would have no problem running a smaller plate on my sprinter if thats what the rules stated but I am totally against having TWO different sprint car classes and or the promotion of that. There are just not enough numbers to support two classes. Nothing more heart breaking than going to a race and not having enough for a class. Or going to a race and having to resetup your car for a different class and then being accused of cherry picking the class.
If the boys in Iowa want to run the 8.5 plate setup then they should go for it. I would much rather see that than seeing them want to go to 12.7 carbs and tuned pipes. As far as damage being less with a smaller plate, I really don't think it will be less. The overall speeds will be very close ( look at sportsman vs. Grand national ) and when you wreck an open wheel car you better plan on spending money. That's the nature of the beast. I have never recomended that a new person start with a sprinter, never will. The one thing that discourages a new racer is always having to repair a broken car and not being able to drive the car. They come to race and don't want to spend a lot of time and money just trying to keep the car on the track. :wave:

Mike, it will be interesting to follow progress of the 8.5 sprint class...lap times, competitive racing, # of starters vs # of finishers, new "rookie & experienced" racers, rookie progression....ect. If it developes, keep us posted.:thumbsup:

Terry: I hear ya. We did have some good racing between us didn't we. (sorry about the nerf job i gave on you last time i was up there...outch)

A lot of good answers here and a lot to think about. For me its what ever the track rules will be is what i will run. I like to support both tracks what ever they decide on for plate rules is ok with me. I just want to race...bottom line. I believe he said that the 10.5 class was still be there however, he was going to have a 8.5 class because some drivers ask for it. According to the promotor, about 6 drivers had ask for the 8.5 plate and some guys have even ask for not having any plates at all, just let her RIP. Not sure how the other track feels about it but i don't think they like the idea.

Either way it should make for some interesting winter talk for the iowa guys this year. Hopefully both tracks can come to a better understanding what make's them profitable. With no tracks to race on we all be sitting home or playing on a parking lot.

Thanks Guys:wave:

Mike, it will be interesting to follow progress of the 8.5 sprint class...lap times, competitive racing, # of starters vs # of finishers, new "rookie & experienced" racers, rookie progression....ect. If it developes, keep us posted.:thumbsup:

Tim: I will keep you posted on the results. I didn't mean to start anything or start issues with this thread. I see both sides very clearly. For me, i would like to see one class in every class. GN - 10.5 Trucks - 8.5 and sprints 10.5... just my thinking only..nothing more or less.

It will be interested what the 2 tracks will do Hopefully they can coming to a working agreement however, more then anything, have some kind of rules to follow and currently both tracks have nothing. I received 2 calls to purchase big carbs, or outlaw parts because they said that the Cornbelt has no rules or wt limits that the track's will inforce. I suppose this comment will start another issue LOL...I hate to sell outlaw parts because I have to race with them and i want my car to be QSAC legal (i know that my wing is not legal Ht from the top frame rail. Had to get that out first LOL)

Rick has called me to get my No-GO gauge to check plates which its a start to get the cars back to legal. What ever plate they decide to go, they will have to enforce some sort of guidelines so we can all have fun.

Mike

Mike, will you be able to make to Des Moines in Jan.? I have a lot of family, co-workers and friends who are planning on attending this one. Sure hope to see you there.
Terry

Terry: Man i'm looking forward to it. Just waiting on my radio to come back from Horizon Hobbies ( Spektrum took a dump). If i can't race i told the promotors i would like to vol. my service in scoring, flagging or what ever opening's they have. I think we need to make a good impression on the spectors to show them that these are not just toys but racing machines.

Mike

Mike, If you need a radio I have a brand new spek you can use for the race. I think your car needs to be there!
Terry

Mike, If everyone decides they want a 8.5 plate who will we get them from? And will they look like our current plates, maybe a different color?
Terry

Mike, If everyone decides they want a 8.5 plate who will we get them from? And will they look like our current plates, maybe a different color?
Terry

Terry:
I would suggest that you get the plates from Mike. Just to be sure you have a legal QSAC plate so as to be sure. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Tim: I will keep you posted on the results. I didn't mean to start anything or start issues with this thread. I see both sides very clearly. For me, i would like to see one class in every class. GN - 10.5 Trucks - 8.5 and sprints 10.5... just my thinking only..nothing more or less.

Mike:
I agree with this statement. We need to keep our classes at a minimun so as to have more cars in the class. We don't need umpteen different classes. That will only lend its self to total confusion. You will have 12 racers show up and 10 of them wanting to run different rules that suit themselves. That will ultimately lead its self to a decline in participation. look at all the classes in the smaller scales. Also think of the different setups you would need to travel to different tracks and race. That would discourage people from traveling to different tracks due to the fact that they run different rules . QSAC has worked very hard to establish viable rules for everyone. Why change them when they work very well.
You did not start anything. You just posted a situation at one of the tracks and others ran with it.:wave:

Yeah, sometimes threads seem to escalate a little but most of the time they reel themselves back in. :freak:

I agree, there are valid points by both sides. IMO, most of the racers posting here favor the NCS side of 1/4 scale not the local. I'm just the opposite! We use the QSAC rules for our base and tweak them very little. By using QSAC rules as a guideline and a competition structure, our racing is competitive throughout our classes.

Now, as I posted earlier, we chose to move to the Sportsman class as our top class three seasons back with 2009 being the fourth. It closed the gap on racer skills & performance but wasn't a great enough change for the new racer. By creating our limited class, we were able to give the rookie a stable class were they can excel at a decent pace without getting run over and/or discouraged. Other tracks run classes targeted for older chassis but our limited is targeted for the racer's abilities or lack there of.

With that said...IMO, if there were to be a 8.5 or even a 8.0 sprint class, the mind set of "sprints are not a beginner class" would ease. I can't imagine telling a new guy that he needs to invest in a stockcar chassis for a season or two then buy a sprint car. That's like saying it is a private club and you have to earn your stripes by spending twice the money and twice the time to be a member. Plus, what if there is no rookie class at there local track? You have the same results for the new guy whether it be sprint or stockcar... getting run over and or discouraged.... possibly quitting. Give them a starting point in the sprint class to gain experience and let them move up in a season or two. Hell yes, be honest with them about the class speeds, abilities and repairs it will take to get there, but don't shut the door in their face. That's not what QSAC is about. I think I know Jeff and Mike well enough that they will support any racer of any skill level and class desire!:thumbsup:

I'm not trying to influence anyone to change anything but more or less take a look back at their start in R/C racing (1/4 scale) to see how difficult it was.

Once again, like the rest, these are my views and opinions.:)

Tim




Tim: I will keep you posted on the results. I didn't mean to start anything or start issues with this thread. I see both sides very clearly. For me, i would like to see one class in every class. GN - 10.5 Trucks - 8.5 and sprints 10.5... just my thinking only..nothing more or less.



Mike

well i have a question in nascar on the tracks bigger than a mile and a half they run the restrictor plates maybe qsac might look into the restrictor plate for all cars that have tracks where you might be going too fast yeah i know its like too much fun not gonna happen you can never go too fast in raceing but its just a thought and then do away with the sportsman class im not makeing a statement here just an observation and comparison