so, what'd you guys think?

Seems very promising to me. I just think once they get over all the panic and chaos subsides, they'll find their footing and the Destiny will be what Atlantis was.

Speaking of the destiny

IT NEEDS TO BE KITTED! I love that ship!

They could not be trying harder to make this show as much like NuBSG as humanly possible.

Is a pith hat made of pith or headware of some importance?

That got me curious. I have a styrofoam version. Is that a Styro helmet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pith_helmet

The pith helmet (also known as the safari helmet, sun helmet, topee, sola topee, salacot or topi) is a lightweight helmet made of cork or pith, typically from the sola (Indian swamp growth, Aeschynomene aspera or A. paludosa) or a similar plant, with a cloth cover, designed to shade the wearer's head from the sun.

Oh, the show. Meh. Soap opera-ish.

They could not be trying harder to make this show as much like NuBSG as humanly possible.

They all die. It's angels.

They could not be trying harder to make this show as much like NuBSG as humanly possible.

That was the feeling I got when I watched it too. Other than having a couple of characters from SG-1 in the show and having a 'gate, there was little or no connection to either of the shows that preceded it.

It had that dark, gritty and depressing feel to it - just like BSG did.

It makes me wonder if the reason they cancelled SG:A was just so they could take the concept and make it over to look and feel like other genre shows that are considered popular with the target demographic.

I'll be keeping an eye on this one for a few weeks, but I'm a long way from being impressed or interested in it.

Bryan

Decent premise, if a bit convoluted. It was fun enough to keep me interested, but there were elements just a bit too predictable. A super-scientist with a brit-like accent that no-one is sure they can trust? I totally didn't see that coming! :freak: ...and when do we find out that Eli is Rodney McKay's nephew? :confused: To be fair, still in place are things I've come to expect from the SG universe: good costumes, and sets, decent effects.

John O.

Carlyle is Scotch, not British. But like you say, "close enough [sic]"

McKay had a very young niece and nephew.

This could be the DS9 of Stargate.

Scottish.
Scotch is a drink.
:)

I hope there are no sheep aboard. This could get ugly.

no wonder people look at me weird.

...not about the sheep

Take the familiar Stargate universe, make it darker and grungier, populate it with younguns and all related to that then throw in the camera work and something of the feel of nuBSG and voila...I fell asleep.

Nothing here to interest me in the least.

I hated the camera work.

It left me cold, but I'll give it a few episodes.

I like Atlantis and LOVED SG-1 seasons 1-8. it just seems that they stretched the show premise too far.

I'd rather they spend the same money bringing back a DECENT version of "Dark Shadows."

I'm a little worried its going to be ST:Voyager with a gate...

I'd rather they spend the same money bringing back a DECENT version of "Dark Shadows."

That's a series I'd watch.

I'm a little worried its going to be ST:Voyager with a gate...

Kinda sorta, ya. But the impression I got is that Destiny is moving at high speed in the wrong direction, away from home. That may not be an important problem to solve since even if headed in the right direction, home would take multiple lifetimes to reach if they rely on the ship alone. Maybe they'll find some hyper-space conduits and ...ummm, never mind.

John O.

Looks to be more BSG with a gate.

Well, I like the storyline but I'm hoping it's not going to turn into a shouting match of the week like the BSG series did. There are many similarities to BSG at least in the pilot.

bleached out picture quality
screaming - wrestling for control
a lot of posturing - I'm glad to see the Senator bite it this soon.
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I'd like to know how the stargate system was able to keep track of a ship moving at that speed to determine the destination point. For now, due to a complete lack of anything better (except Eureka), I'm willing to give it a try. I'm personally looking for a better second season of Sanctuary

I found the first half annoying, and the second half a big improvement. When things settled down and the characters started to interact (beyond just yelling) I started getting interested. Exploring the ship was fun, and the problem with the Shuttle a bit scary, although the solution was so predictable I sorta wonder which writer's five year old child suggested it.

What bothers me about the show is the idea that it is a continuing series. The first three episodes are a search for the solution to not enough air on the ship. Then later I suppose we cover issues surrounding a lack of food, water, and the discovery that while the emergency supplies contained a couple High Def televisions the box containing the blu-ray discs got left behind and all they have is a couple DVD collections of 'Friends'.

After they solve all the problems... then what?

I have always felt a show like this should be at most a single season of 13-20 episodes. Give it a story arc with a strong beginning, middle, and end. Keep it moving toward the conclusion and don't drag things out forever. In spite of what the NuBSG fans say, I'm convinced that show would have been MUCH better if it had been about one third as long.

Finally watched it this afternoon - got outta work mui early! - and liked what I saw. I have to agree that the shouting match thing wasn't working too well, but I have hope. Not sure WTF is up w/Dr. Rush, but I don't think he's a major villian. At least, not intentionally so. Nor do I think - hope? - that he's not a Gaius Baltar.

Overall, I think it's just a slightly darker version of Stargate. The comparisons to TNS BSG just don't really track to me beyond "it's dark". ST:DS9 was dark and I don't see TNS BSG being compared to it - and there was plenty of shouting going on in DS9, too. ;)


In spite of what the NuBSG fans say, I'm convinced that show would have been MUCH better if it had been about one third as long.
Don't lump all "NuBSG fans" in to one mix, please. I really liked NuBSG, but felt that the third and fourth seasons were lacking. The last half of Season Four was at least more coherent than the first half. I wish they had done those two seasons a LOT differently.

I think for the ending, that all the surviving humans and cylons should have awakened in bed next to Bob Newhart and his TV wife.

That'd be one Heck of a big bed! :thumbsup:

Well, I like the storyline but I'm hoping it's not going to turn into a shouting match of the week like the BSG series did. There are many similarities to BSG at least in the pilot.

bleached out picture quality
screaming - wrestling for control
a lot of posturing - I'm glad to see the Senator bite it this soon.
'


Well, I think this week it started to break away from the BSG feel.

I liked that it was much calmer, more methodical.
And for the most part they showed people at their best, not at their worst.

And some awesome visuals again.

I have to admit, Its getting better.

i was gonna start a thread, but it has all been said right here:

my intial impression it was a sg. bsg, voyager concept bash.

i, personally, liked the darkness of bsg, gave it realism.

i also dont mind it being serial, those who oppose are just afraid of committment.

really liked it flying through the atmosphere to slingshot, and really liked it flying thru the corona to recharge.

lookin forward to more....

I'm liking this very much so far. The aero-braking sequence was very well done.

Sean

I just realized TJ is the Holographic Doctor. :D

And Dr. Rush seems to be this generation's version of Dr. Smith from LIS--which makes sense, since they're also all lost in space in SG:U.

Sean

I'm gonna keep watching it but the jury is still out.

The characters so far aren't very likable. I mean from minute one of episode one of both other series, you knew that you were gonna love every cast member of the show. This one, five episodes in and I only like Eli, Rush, Chloe and the Colonel Young.

I think for the ending, that all the surviving humans and cylons should have awakened in bed next to Bob Newhart and his TV wife.Or found themselves all taking a shower with Patrick Duffy. :tongue:

I'll give it the rest of the season but it's becoming very soap-operaish.

I'd rather they spend the same money bringing back a DECENT version of "Dark Shadows."

I'd rather they used the money to make a decent version of SG:U, instead of what their doing.

Count me out.

I'm likin' it so far. I expect that we'll have some more "growing pains" where we get more character driven stories than "fantasy" and/or action based stuff. Thus far, I think they're doin' a great job, as there are characters I don't like and characters I do.

One of the things I really like is that they've got people who weren't expecting nor were trained to end up on Destiny. As Col. Young has said a few times, they're the wrong people to be on Destiny. Well, w/the exception of Rush, anyhow. I think that Eli is adjusting well and think he'd actually flourish if his mother wasn't sick.

Interesting revelation about Young and "TJ" Johansen's affair. It explains a lot, tho - why Young's wife was so upset w/him all this time, why TJ was set to go home and why she stayed instead of having already left since her transfer was allegedly already processed. I wonder how they'll deal w/that in future episodes. After all, sex is a great stress reliever when under extreme circumstances like this. Of course, it also tends to cause a lot of emotional problems between the two folks involved.

Anybody else get the vibe that Telford and Young's wife might well have been having an affair all their own? It would explain why Telford is so critical of Young, as well as why Young's wife was seemingly so quick to jump in to bed w/her husband in Telford's body - as well as Telford showing up at her door as he did the last three seconds of "Earth".

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I was thinking the same thing about Telford.
Great minds think alike Griff.

I think they need to step away from using the stones so much.
It confuses the story and takes away some of the fun.

The last 2 episodes, "time" and "Life" were horrible. I never even finished Life.
I wasn't sure about the 1st episode. The next few were pretty good, but 2 flops in a row doesn't look good to me. I'm just not sure how many chances it will get to hold my interest.

Good science fiction is about characters, after 6-7 episodes I can really only care enough to remember the names of 2 characters (barring long term characters from prior stargate). Thats not good.

I actually really enjoyed 'Life' but this week's ep blew.
I wish they would just forget all about those darn stones and quit 'visiting' Earth.
I don't watch this stuff for the drama or soap-opera that they keep trying to infuse into the show.

Leave them on the dang ship. Have them stop at planets, work on the ship, and actually give them things to do.

It's called Stargate. In whatever incarnation it takes, let them use the stargate. It's not called Ancient Communication Stones: Universe.

Put Rush into the chair and he'll have the knowledge to figure out the ship and keep himself from dying by being overwhelmed from the info that's in his head.

I agree...I think something needs to happen to the control panel of those stones (I'm guessing there is one on the ship like the one on earth)

Have them try to repair it..but fail and start a minor revolt over whether it was destroyed intentionally


Then get back to the business of being on a ship in space with a stargate.

Hoo-boy. Where to begin. I've never seen so many cliches, so many stereotypes, so much bad writing in one place before. Good grief Charlie Brown.

Hey, guys...here's a clue: When you're in the military and your commanding officer tells you to lower your weapon guess what? You don't take a 'dramatic moment' to think about shooting someone just because you don't like them. You lower your weapon.

It's not that I'm a die-hard SG1/SGA fan (although I am) who doesn't 'want anything changed'. I just don't like bad writing and cliches. And it is so painfully similar to BSG.

I guess I'll keep watching to see if it gets better. And Lt. Hooters is worth watching, certainly (if you've seen the show, I'm sure you know which character I'm talking about).

Seriously, I think a group of fans could have written a better show. What were they thinking????

It's Lost meets BSG.

I've watched a few episodes, but I've kind of given up on it. There just aren't that many likeable characters on the show. The commander isn't a great a commander, Rush is the annoying insufferable genius who is completely unlikeable, and, well, I could go on. Plus, I'm really not into another take on the stuck, can't get home kind of show...

Probably won't bother with it again unless I can play it streamed while I do actual work....

I've watched a few episodes, but I've kind of given up on it. There just aren't that many likeable characters on the show. The commander isn't a great a commander, Rush is the annoying insufferable genius who is completely unlikeable, and, well, I could go on. Plus, I'm really not into another take on the stuck, can't get home kind of show...

Probably won't bother with it again unless I can play it streamed while I do actual work....

The blu-rays look great. That's something I suppose. And the scuttlebutt is the show-runners know they're in deep doo-doo and are trying to 'revamp' the show as quickly as possible. Let's hope they're successful.

I guess writing an 'adult drama' requires a totally different skill-set than writing an 'action adventure'. If they can't bring in better writers I'd say they better head back to 'action adventure' territory as fast as their little feet can carry them, because so far they suck at 'adult drama'.

so basically they know they've failed and are now trying to give it new life? Looking forward to that because without it, I can't see the show lasting much more than 1 or 2 seasons.

While I agree that there are aspects of the show that could be done better, I like it just fine. As has been mentioned thru-out the run of the first half of this season, "These aren't the people" who were going to be sent for a long-term stay onboard the Ancient ship. In fact, they weren't even sure exactly where that 9th Chevron was going to send them, if you'll recall. They weren't mentally or physically prepared to be hurled what appears to be TRILLIONS of light years from Earth with absolutely no way home that they can currently envision.

Yes, they're SGC trained personnel - w/the exception of Eli - and are supposed to be capable of adapting to a variety of situations. However, this isn't your typical SGC situation, is it? Over the last decade, they've gone to be totally hanging in the wind of the feces hits the air oscillating device to having a number of resources on call. They're used to being able to call up reinforcements that can be there w/in a relatively short amount of time and all they've got to do is to standby until help arrives.

Not so for this group - and they know it.

On the subject of the "lower your weapons" comment, I don't recall the exact scene you're on about, but if it's where a Marine had a weapon trained on someone and Col. Young told him to lower the weapon, that can easily be chalked up to Inter-Service Rivalry sort of stuff. Marines don't always trust non-Marines, after all, and all of the officers onboard Destiny are USAF. Thus, they won't necessarily be as quick to follow commands as they might a Marine officer, especially in a combat situation where you've got the additional stress of being pretty much marooned for the rest of your life.

Wasn't there a thread about this already...? I think I'm going to dig it up and merge the two....

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This show, except for a couple of decent eps, is a grind to watch. It's very predictable, beyond the norm that is. When the ship is about to collide with a planet and they can't steer it away and you start rooting for the planet to win...it's over.
I think whats worse is the idiotic producers who blame "US" for not getting it...as they so aptly put it.

And Lt. Hooters is worth watching, certainly (if you've seen the show, I'm sure you know which character I'm talking about).

Mmm hmm! :dude:

And the scuttlebutt is the show-runners know they're in deep doo-doo and are trying to 'revamp' the show as quickly as possible. Let's hope they're successful.


First thing they need to do, is lose those damn stones so they can't contact Earth anymore.
Either that, or use them to bring in someone who can actually help them like Sam or Daniel.
And quit with all the soap opera crap with the crew going home to visit.

Amen to that! That's probably what lost us. My wife and I stopped watching it.

I just finished watching the first 13 episodes (released on DVD) and found the show to be just what I expected. Story; not too original, overall production values; excellent, direction; good, production design; bad.

To me, the last point is one of the most important for this type of show but let me say that I don't mind the character-driven (aka "soap opera") portions of the episodes. The characters need to be fleshed-out and having them visit Earth and their former lives is a valid way of imparting such information. They might also use flash-backs but that has been done to death in "Lost" and "Galactica" so perhaps they wanted to avoid that route. However, I would not recommend continuing this through the course of the entire series, once the characters are sufficiently developed they should focus more on the situation(s) they currently find themselves in and less on what they've left behind.

The thing that I find the most lacking in the show is in the area of production design. Most shows can get away with marginal production design because for the most part, everything has already been designed by other people and only need to be used by the show (cars, clothes, houses, phones, etc.) but this show takes place in a totally "designed" environment and there is no existing work to base it on. The "ship" in this show is a joke and that fact really hurts the overall production. It has been rendered as nothing more than a "house" with so many bedrooms, a living room, garage and patio. What they call a "ship" is no more realistic or thought out than the rockets with sparking side-pipes seen in the original "Flash Gordon" and "Buck Rogers" serials and is just as laughable.

First and foremost this is a ship-based story and as such, the ship is as important a "character" as any of the people living inside it. A ship which has been carefully thought out not only attracts us to explore it's mysteries, it will provide valid story situations ranging from the misuse of on board equipment to problems from damaged equipment (briefly hit upon in a simple-minded way with the atmosphere scrubbers early on) to discovering how things work and their greater implications. This series has not done its homework in designing the primary character and it really shows.

Truthfully, the SG production staff have never done this job very well but this is the first time that a ship was central to the given series. It was time to step up and put some real thought into it but they don't appear to have the available talent to do it. It is as if they were doing a show about the crew of the battleship Iowa and designed the sets to look like a cabin cruiser.

The above criticism can be leveled at many other shows as well, Stargate is just the latest to fail this test. I like Stargate and am disappointed that they didn't even try to come up with a few original concepts for the ship. It really isn't that difficult.

I'll will continue to watch for now.

I find it curious that the opening sequence, they say that, "the design is clearly ancient". Oh? None of the ship looks or feels like Atlantis - by which all ancient tech and design should be centered around.

Which brings up another point: The Goa;uld were scavengers and took their tech from the Ancients. Why does none of their technology look like that of Atlantis? Why are there no zat guns on Atlantis? (I don't mean "why didn't they take zats from Earth to Atlantis" but if the Goa'uld were using Ancient tech, you'd think there would be something that we think of as Goa'uld in Atlantis)

Maybe I'm over-analyzing it. Maybe the Goa'uld had their own tech or stole it from someone else or got the technical know-how to build their own but claimed the Stargates (Ancient tech) as their own.