R/CAR the Radio Controlled Auto Racing association
present
The Big Rug
at Marion County Fairgounds Raceway's in Indy

Website...
http://rcarassociation.org/index.html

Address...
7300 E Troy Ave, Indianapolis, IN 46239-1267(In the Big 4H Building)

Contact Numbers
Floyd Selzer
(President/RCAR Owner) (317) 850-RCAR (7227)
Kevin Cole
(Facility Manager/Track Operations) (765) 624-9768

Pennington's RC Hobby Shop (on site)
Bill Pennington
(Hobby Shop/RCAR Owner) (317) 402-1061

Our facility is a huge building offering carpet oval & on-road racing.It houses Pennington's RC Hobby Shop and a full service cafeteria.It is fully heated and has nice a dining area and restrooms.We use AMB scoring and have the new CRC ozite carpet.
R/CAR is a faith based organization that offers a family friendly envirement for quality RC racers/hobbyist and their families.

The New indoor(Track) schedule...
Tue. 1pm-11pm (Oval Racing at 6pm)
Wed. 3pm-9pm (Oval...Practice/Racing)
Thu. 3pm-9pm (On road Practice)
Fri. 1pm-11pm (On Road Racing at 7pm)
Sat. 9am-7pm (Oval Racing at 1pm)
Sun. 9am-7pm (On-Road Racing at 1pm)

The Raceway will be closed on Mondays.


Pennington's Hobby may be open or available on Monday when the raceway is closed...call ahead to check.If Bill is not there...I'm sure he'll work out a way to get you the part you need.The raceway will not be used on these days if you stop in and pick up parts.

On Road Classes...our carpet covers an area over 96' by 40' so this track will be huge.


Vintage Trans Am
Rules: www.usvintagetransam.com/rules/index.html
Min.Ride Height...5mm

12th Scale
Battery:1cell Lipo or 4cell NimH
Motor:17.5 brushless(13.5 open class also available)
Body:Any 12th scale on road body
ESC:Any non programmable/Tekin V200max(13.5 open can use any ESC)
Min.Ride Height...3mm

Rubber Tire Touring Car
Battery:5200max 2cell Lipo or 4600max 6cell NimH
Motor:Any 17.5 or 13.5 brushless
Body:Any 10th scale body
ESC:Any speed control(Open)
Tires:Rubber
Min.Ride Height...4mm

Tamiya Mini-Cooper
Rules: www.tamiyausa.com/tcs/rules.php#mini
*We will allow any Tamiya mini body...tires will follow the TCS rules package.
Ride Height...4mm


Open chassis F1/IndyCar
Allows Tamiya(old & new),3racing,HPI,RCIndyCars or Kyosho chassis
Tires:Open(rubber or foam)
Motor:Tamiya Silver can/closed endbell
Battery:5200max 2cell Lipo / 4600max 6cell NimH
Min.Ride Height...3mm

HPI Formula10
Battery:Team Orion Spec 2400 2cell Lipo
Motor:Any 21.5 brushless
Speed Control:Open(possible turbo restrictions on the RS/Pro)
Front wheel bearings allowed...
other upgrades will be evaluated as we test the car
and decided upon as a group.
Min.Ride Height...3mm

RCGT
-Any 1/10th scale 4WD Touring Car chassis.
-Any "realistic/scale" Touring Car/GT body.
-Bodies should represent models that are running or had been run in the Touring Car, GT2, GT1 classes in ALMS, LeMans, Speed Challenge etc.
-Any 26mm spoked wheels (no dish wheels)
Allowable X-Pattern tire choices are:
-HPI #4790 X-Pattern Radial Tire 26mm D-Compound (base spec tire)
-HPI #4490 X-Pattern Radial Tire Pro Compound 26mm (stickier compound for improved traction)
-HPI #4495 X-Pattern Radial Belted Tire Pro Compound 26mm (sticky and belted tire, allows for more speed)
-Kit Lexan wing (flat realistic wing if included) or Plastic realistic wing set(s) only (keeping in mind the spirit of realism of the class)
-27T/17.5 Motor Limit.
-6 cell NiMH or 2 cell LiPo 7.2/7.4v battery limit.
Min.Ride Height...5mm

Please Pm me with any idea's or suggestions...we're still about a month away from our grand opening.

Hey does anyone have the HPI F1 car because I can meet them at Slots on Thursday since it is open on-raod practice we could test the HPI and F103 together to come up with somthing so that we could run them together at the Big Rug. Kind of get an idea of how they stack up with each other. I ask becuse I would like larger classes to run with and also it would be like the old days of Indy when different manufactures ran together instead of one car. I would imagine if you can change the gearing on the HPI like the F103 they would run pretty close with the 540J motor. Dollar Bill, Here is the part number for the gear ring on the F103 that let you run nearly any spur gear so you don't have to use the Tamiya metric spurs and pinions it's "3 Racing F103RM-11" I got it from RCMart but heres the web page www.3racing.com.hh It's a cheap part that lets you use the gears you may already have instead of buying new ones tha only fit the F103, just a thought but I use it and love it.

Just another suggestion I would open the tires up to being able to run "ZEN tires and body parts in case of shortages/backorders and if Bill can't get the Tamiya stuff. The Tamiya tires are a little pricy for the good ones mounted and the Zens are half that price and offer more compuonds but for me I like the 15th Aniversary kit foams and i will stick with them no matter what the cost they are just like sticking a pin under the car and running on a slot track.

Wow 13.5 foam tire, I just sold my XRAY last night because nobody was running 13.5 anymore, oh well maybe I get another one someday. Has anyone had any interest in the on-road pan car like the CRC 1/10 pan car? I just asked because I like the on-road better than oval. Check out this site www.rcindycars.com of coarse they would be an open class but aren't they cool.

Jeremiah-I would be open to the idea of tire options for the F103 and making some rule changes within that class.But the HPI car will stay a Spec class so we will have one available for on road with that in mind.I have several guys buying them and they want to keep it affordable in these tough times.The HPI uses a slick rubber tire...and tire option usually ruins a spec class...particularly from a cost stand point.
As far as the 10th scale pan car...I'd rather not flood a Wed/Thur program with too many classes and have a lot of 3 car classes running.I would rather suggest if someone is looking for something new...buy one of the cars in a class outlined in the current class configuration.
I wish you had not sold your x-ray...I mentioned a few weeks ago I was going to get that monster rolling in a class for ya:thumbsup:

I agree with kevin on spec rules but if the guys running the f103 want to run the slick rubber tire thats on the hpi and run them on the F103 with same motor,that could be an option too.there is a f109 rm or something coming out anyday and its only $189. with silver can 540

The HPI is a $100 car...if someone is interested in a open wheel class on a budget...they should buy one.If they want to faster and dont mind spending more...the F103 is there for the taking.

The spec HPI car/class is a perfect intermediate project for the 4H programs we will utilize to help keep the building and make our hobby strong through youth programs.
R/Car has there eye on more than letting us big boys race...we're working on programs that will educate kids to help with life choices beyond the racetrack or hobby.

Jeff Grahn became interested in racing through R/C...and cut his teeth on scale R/C cars.Now he is a successful Indycar Crew chief because of the early direction,dedication,and strong work ethic that started with running R/C cars.

[QUOTE=Kevin Cole;3003542]Jeremiah-I would be open to the idea of tire options for the F103 and making some rule changes within that class.But the HPI car will stay a Spec class so we will have one available for on road with that in mind.I have several guys buying them and they want to keep it affordable in these tough times.The HPI uses a slick rubber tire...and tire optiond usually ruin a spec class...particularly from a cost stand point.
]

Oh, I thought the car was comparable to the F103, meaning that it could run foams and such. I may look into one of those if the class is going to be bigger. I was suggesting that to use the Zen tires because occasionally the Tamiya tires are backordered or out of stock. The Tamiya's are better though. IF I could find a way to run whatever tires the HPI runs could we run the two together? I just want to run with a 8 to 12 car grid so that you would have to drive and the fastest car doesn't mean it will always win. I think you know what I am saying, I want to race and not walk away or get walked away from on the track.

Yeah I'm sorry about getting rid of it too. Maybe Lyons will sell it back:cry:

Yes...if we find they are a close match and can make the spec rules work with the F103 we'll do just that.I hope to have mine by weeks end...then we can take a look at both together.

Well that what i meant in my post HPI car is $119.00/$129.00 and the F103 car that isnt our yet runs about $189,so thats what i was suggesting,that if the F103 car could run the same tires as the HPI car and of course run the same battery and motor.But if Not iam all for having a Spec HPI open wheel class By itself,kinda like a legend class for open wheel. iam game for anything on this.
by the way there isanother F1 car out there through 3racing.com and this F1 kit is only $99.00 and its a nice looking car.
maybe something to think about is have a limit on price of the F1 kit,and then everyone run the same tires adn motor and battery.
Just a suggestion Guys.

Yes...if we find they are a close match and can make the spec rules work with the F103 we'll do just that.I hope to have mine by weeks end...then we can take a look at both together.

Well then if you have it by Friday bring it to Slots and we can race them in actual conditions for the comparison. I hope to be racing mine since my Xray and 1/12th are gone and it's the only carpet car I have now. I can't wait to race on some good carpet again, I am anxiously waiting for the new rug.

I have to be at our outdoor track for practice Friday.

Once I get it I'll will look over the chassis,geometry,and construction compared to the F103 first.I have access to a couple F103's...and testing will happen.But first time out it will not be during a race program...and not at Slots.

We just need to have a little patience...soon there will be a huge venue to run and it will be managed differently than what the area is used too.Once the rules are in place...they will stay that way until next season.No weekly changes just to please one guy or another.That's why I'm asking for opinions now(all Classes)...because when we start racing...the rules are set.

With the Formula10 being new...it will be a slow process to determine whether it has it's own class(like it very well could)or if we allow other makes into the mix.

Cool, I'm out of patience though. I am sick of Slots myself but for now it's all I got for carpet racing right now. I am very eager to race at the Big Rug. Give me a PM when your going to test the f103 and the HPI I would like to see them together too. I haven't been this excited about R/C since the old road course at Stout Field 20 yrs ago on Friday nights. Back then we raced stock gearbox RC10's with Nascar bodies on them with a "Pretty Little Sissy Wimpy" motor. Crap now I feel old too.

Trust me...this will be well worth the wait & the rest of the nation will be envious of what we have here in Indy.We already have dropped close to 4g's on carpet and the track side cafe/diner will be like no other track has or have seen.

Everyone needs to set their reservations aside about the "this track did this" or "that track does" whatever...and realize this place is good for the hobby/community period.
There's plenty of desire & racers in this area for more than one venue to run good programs and I certainly kept that in mind when coming up with our schedule.

I hate to do this to ya Kevin but I am an open wheel racer at heart. Is everyone familiar with the RC indy cars produced right here in Indy? go to
http://www.rcindycars.com/index.html to check them out.

That's what we run here in Indy at the Velodrome.The car cost will be much higher and could be considered as a top end class.You pretty much by the chassis kit and add your pan car goodies to them.There's already 4-6 guys in the area that have them.
Bob Cordell has one...maybe he will be interested if the class gets going.They are usually used for oval rather than on road.

By the way...thanks Floyd.

Cool, I'm out of patience though. I am sick of Slots myself but for now it's all I got for carpet racing right now. I am very eager to race at the Big Rug. Give me a PM when your going to test the f103 and the HPI I would like to see them together too. I haven't been this excited about R/C since the old road course at Stout Field 20 yrs ago on Friday nights. Back then we raced stock gearbox RC10's with Nascar bodies on them with a "Pretty Little Sissy Wimpy" motor. Crap now I feel old too.

Wow I remember those days. My first stock car body was a Thunderbird on a gold tub RC10 at Stout Field.

I have one of the old HPI F1s, any class I can run it in?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=Kevin Cole;3003463][I]The indoor schedule...

Tue. 11am-11pm (Oval Racing)
Wed. 11am-11pm (On-Road...Practice)
Thu. 11am-11pm (On road Racing...Classes TBA)
Fri. 11am-11pm (Oval...Practice)
Sat. 9am-11pm (Oval Racing)

The Raceway will be closed on Sundays & Mondays.

We might add racing on Mondays if the demand for an extra day increases.

Gonna be kinda hard to get some of us from out of town if your not planning on doing any onroad racing on the weekends.

I just purchased a 3Racing f109 for $99 any chance I might be able to race it with the F103's class? Thanks.

I do have several chassis from RCIndyCar. They are sweet. I raced 'em at the Velo and oval/carpet. They're fun, fast, good lookin'. I'm into 4wd right now and if I diversify, always something suffers. I'm in for 4wd/onroad for now.
Tim's RCIndyCars "Spitfire" chassis is a superb onroad chassis with 6-cell, batts down the middle and drag links. The GRX is for LTO/ 2X4-cell batt slots, 3 shock T-plate car.

I just purchased a 3Racing f109 for $99 any chance I might be able to race it with the F103's class? Thanks.

I'll have to look and see where it fits in with the others...we'll come up with something so it can run.

I have one of the old HPI F1s, any class I can run it in?

Thanks,

Same deal as above...we'll get it figured out.

[QUOTE=Kevin Cole;3003463][I]The indoor schedule...

Tue. 11am-11pm (Oval Racing)
Wed. 11am-11pm (On-Road...Practice)
Thu. 11am-11pm (On road Racing...Classes TBA)
Fri. 11am-11pm (Oval...Practice)
Sat. 9am-11pm (Oval Racing)

The Raceway will be closed on Sundays & Mondays.

We might add racing on Mondays if the demand for an extra day increases.

Gonna be kinda hard to get some of us from out of town if your not planning on doing any onroad racing on the weekends.

Saturdays will be our big Oval day...and Slots runs On road on Fridays.If ownership see's we need to add Sunday or Monday...they might consider it.

The current schedule is a starting point and put together hoping it would not hurt Slots and the RC race scene in this area.It is subject for future changes...but to start the season it will be as listed.I'll be driving an hour one way myself...but this facility will be well worth it.

I do have several chassis from RCIndyCar. They are sweet. I raced 'em at the Velo and oval/carpet. They're fun, fast, good lookin'. I'm into 4wd right now and if I diversify, always something suffers. I'm in for 4wd/onroad for now.
Tim's RCIndyCars "Spitfire" chassis is a superb onroad chassis with 6-cell, batts down the middle and drag links. The GTX is for LTO/ 2X4-cell batt slots, 3 shock T-plate car.

Good to hear from you Bob...I hope to see some of the local on road aces out here on this giant lay-out.We'll certainly have some fun and it will be quite a change of pace for both the on road & oval community.

Most of the IndyCar guys from the Velo plan to come out and run a little on the Big paved oval next season.Plus,several are coming up from Terre Haute to run the 13.5 Touring Cars on the oval with the new 190mm COT bodies.

hmmmm..I wonder why the F102 Tamiya hasn't been mention to run F1..It will run against any of those F103 or Hpi's.. I got 2 of them and 1 is ready to roll!!!

unless those F103's scared???? LOL

I will run against any F1 car as long as the battery limit is 5000 and the 540J motor is used. I just want to run with alot of cars on the track. I say that because after people run open wheel they will quickly learn that they don't respond well when contact is made with other cars unlike full body cars. Just like the real thing only smaller.

I will run against any F1 car as long as the battery limit is 5000 and the 540J motor is used. I just want to run with alot of cars on the track. I say that because after people run open wheel they will quickly learn that they don't respond well when contact is made with other cars unlike full body cars. Just like the real thing only smaller.

I agree!!!

Looks like I'll have to have a little get together with all my open wheel buddies and have a closed door test session when we're ready.

Looks like I'll have to have a little get together with all my open wheel buddies and have a closed door test session when we're ready.

yeah and bring your little dog too!!!!! LOL

I didnt know you met the little dog.

I see the schedule for racing like onroad is 11am til 11pm,but when does quals start or the first heat race?? and someone on these days are going to be there for 12 hours??
By the way the one car from 3Racing that someone mentioned earlier is only $99 and its a nice car,I would say run F1 chassis that are below $200.00 and the everyone must run rubber tire,540 motor,and i would say some type of lipo maybe a orion 2400,and with this i would say this could be a big class,and the only reason i say 2400 lipo,is the fact you dont need a huge lipo whne you are only running 4 or 5 min heats and mains.and this will also keep cost down and make it more even racing. and rubber tires would make it a drivers race. not to mention just what Moss said these cars come in contact with other cars or walls and you break stuff,so a lower lipo will cut some speed down as well as the rubber tires.
One thing i would like to see is the one car at a time Quals for this class.
it would be really neat.

The track hours are 11-11...the program will not run that length.Weeknight programs will start in the early evening.

The qualifying deal will stay outside...it is a nightmare to manage with our scoring system.

More to come...stay tuned!

I know the program wont run all that time I was wondering if you guys had any ideas for start times.I know you guys have a million things you are trying to plan.keep up the great work.

I know the program wont run all that time I was wondering if you guys had any ideas for start times.I know you guys have a million things you are trying to plan.keep up the great work.

Scott,

I heard the races start at 10:59 pm....see ya there. :thumbsup:

LMAO..good one Matt.that mean one heat 1min.we could do 5 laps,LOL

I'd love to try the track out when you guys get up and running. Unfortunately Thursdays are near impossible for me, and even then it would only be once a month or less.

Mini Coopers, and F1 (c'mon, this is Indy!!!) would be the two classes I am interested in right now.

I hope racing doesnt start til at least 7pm on thursday or 7:30pm would be even better.

Race program start times have not been set just yet...but we cant start too late and get the program in on any of the days.

I noticed on your rules for 13.5 run foam tires will rubber tires be allowed for practice? is the track open now and ready to go? I would like to come out to practice during this week comming up. do you guys have any pics of the track and facilities.
thanks

Yes...you'll be able to practice with rubber tires.Not sure how that will help with set up...but it's fine.

The track is not ready yet...our grand opening will be later this month.We are still in the construction phase in the building.

Keep in mind...it will have a large hobby store,cafe with dining area,and one of the nicest tracks you'll lay your car on.Brand new CRC Ozite carpet with enough pit area for a small army.

I'll keep everyone posted as we get closer.

Looks like we will run the HPI FormulaTen as a spec class by itself.The Tamiya's and other makes will run in a separate class with a different rule package.

More to come on both soon!

Looks like we will run the HPI FormulaTen as a spec class by itself.The Tamiya's and other makes will run it a separate class with a different rule package.

More to come on both soon!

That sounds awesome Kevin, that's going to be a great class. I think I'll order mine tomorrow. Any idea on motor/battery combo yet?

That sounds awesome Kevin, that's going to be a great class. I think I'll order mine tomorrow. Any idea on motor/battery combo yet?

Bill has 2 in stock...for $100 even I think.

I like the thought of an affordable Lipo like the Team Orion Spec 2400($35) and maybe a 21.5 brushless.

I know the battery will fit...but I'm not sure about the motor yet.I have not started building mine yet(always working at the track)...but it is a full build kit that has plenty of available adjustments to play with.

Bill has 2 in stock...for $100 even I think.

I like the thought of an affordable Lipo like the Team Orion Spec 2400($35) and maybe a 21.5 brushless.

I know the battery will fit...but I'm not sure about the motor yet.I have not started building mine yet(always working at the track)...but it is a full build kit that has plenty of available adjustments to play with.

Great I'll get one from Bill. That combo sounds fine with me too.

when is the grand opening?

We're shooting for a race around Halloween as the grand opening.

Keep checking in here and we'll keep everyone posted.