I just finished the comparison of the MORL 2009 season:

Check out the side by side A-Main times analysis between Slash Spec and Short Course Truck classes here (http://blog.handyracing.com/2009/09/18/whats-faster-on-the-track-slash-or-the-new-sc-trucks.aspx):

Let us know what you think?

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but the only diff is the motors are bigger in the short course but that not too bad

but the only diff is the motors are bigger in the short course but that not too bad

I'm really looking forward to the SC Open class this winter at Washtenaw. Its going to be a hoot.

Thanks for checking us out.

Glenn you and I have had this discussion.There is no advantage to just chassis.Any advantage in this class is found mainly in tires,then motor/lipo.I beleive any difference in lap times we see between the slash spec and SC classes can be attributed to those 3 factors.I will say we can see where the V200 tekin software came into play this season on the longer tracks.

Glenn you and I have had this discussion.There is no advantage to just chassis.Any advantage in this class is found mainly in tires,then motor/lipo.I beleive any difference in lap times we see between the slash spec and SC classes can be attributed to those 3 factors.I will say we can see where the V200 tekin software came into play this season on the longer tracks.

Yeah, I totally agree about the "additional" aspects beyond the base platform that drive on the track performance. Mostly, I was cheering for the "little Traxxas that could" up against the "main stream" race products...

A fellow (actually several) called it much the same way at RCU (http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9106803/anchors_9107222/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#9107222), driver skill, set up know how, and preparation for a given track...

Good to see ya Chad, looking forward to the Washtenaw SC Open class this winter?

Yeah, I totally agree about the "additional" aspects beyond the base platform that drive on the track performance. Mostly, I was cheering for the "little Traxxas that could" up against the "main stream" race products...

A fellow (actually several) called it much the same way at RCU (http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9106803/anchors_9107222/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#9107222), driver skill, set up know how, and preparation for a given track...

Good to see ya Chad, looking forward to the Washtenaw SC Open class this winter?
The 3 factors I mentioned I considered as being over and above.Like if you were to put a stock slash,and then a SC class truck in the hands of the same driver with both trucks well set-up for the track so you could truly guage the difference in lap times between the trucks.

you know it Glenn.Bring on the 16 hour race days!! Just got some new lipos in today, so there will be no more battery falling off at the 3 minute point of the race:rolleyes:Gotta admit those cheap yeahs took some serious abuse for 2 years solid from Brandon and I , so I dont feel bad about needing some new batteries now.

On an Added note, I went and ran some oval and SC at stateline last night.The SC tqed and won the main.The Main was a "bucket race" where they place a 5 gallon pail in the front straight by the scoring loop and you have to make a counter-clockwise lap around the bucket every lap before you continue on to your next lap.First time I have ever done that, but it was pretty darn cool.

We're already running similarly to what y'all are talking about. RTR class means motor, speedo, and tires. Tires seem to be the biggest factor, you just get so much traction and no more. Speaking of which, about to go sipe some tires ha ha ha. Second is speedo, with the lack of programming, etc. only so much feel. Mod class is wide open, guys are running 1/8 tires on 17mm hexes, BL and LiPo, etc. Makes some difference due to our track size, good driver will be a couple seconds faster b/w Mod and Stock (we have guys who run both). But, the Slash seems to more than hold it's own so far. I just finished building an SC10, be interesting to see how it does.

We're already running similarly to what y'all are talking about. RTR class means motor, speedo, and tires. Tires seem to be the biggest factor, you just get so much traction and no more. Speaking of which, about to go sipe some tires ha ha ha. Second is speedo, with the lack of programming, etc. only so much feel. Mod class is wide open, guys are running 1/8 tires on 17mm hexes, BL and LiPo, etc. Makes some difference due to our track size, good driver will be a couple seconds faster b/w Mod and Stock (we have guys who run both). But, the Slash seems to more than hold it's own so far. I just finished building an SC10, be interesting to see how it does.

That sounds like a great program. This thing gets so complicated with the details.

For example, a Slash Spec class would include a Titan motor, but to run the same truck in the MORL SC class the motor had to be swapped out for a stock rated motor. The Losi Strike RTR (that doesn't meet ROAR chassis rules, therefor may not be permitted to run if rules were strictly enforced) is said to also come with a Titan.

MORL stipulated stock motors for the SC class. So, in the SC Class A-Main all the trucks have the "same" motor, SC tires of choice, and electronics of choice..

When I illustrated the season SC Class performance up against the Slash Spec, its really apples to oranges to compare (contrast) the two. I was hoping someone would notice and point that out. I am known to try and plant seeds and see if a conversation might grow.

If we're to know who ran what truck in the SC class, THAT is the comparison I was hoping to draw out. In the SC class, Slash and SC chassis were present, as well as home made Academy and Rustler based entries.

But, to do the really good comparison and discussion, the driver's need to speak up and share thier insights.

That's why I crafter the whole post as an inquirey by the drivers in the community, and not really definitive conclusions by myself.

Thanks for your input.

I personally would like to see SCT classes split into 2 classes. Stock and mod, just like every other class we run. Include all RTR motors,27T brushed and 17.5 BL in stock with any SC style tires . Mod should be Just that, Mod. Open motor,1/8 wheel set-ups etc.Personally I think with all the new comers to the SCT market slash spec has run it's course.If other brands are allowed to enter the current spec class there will always be a heated argument as to what is the hot ticket set-up.Where as if we group them together as a stock class racers will be able to Choose what they want to run for gear.Be it a slash with a 17.5 syatem, a sc10 with a 27t system, a Blitz with a titan system, or a strike with a AE 17t system.It wouldnt matter, those would be the available choices,pick one and run it.

I was looking through the results and couldn't help but notice the caliber of sc10 racers vs. slash. Nothing against the Slash guys, but there were some fast fellas running open sc or whatever it's called. Put the same guys in Spec Slash and they would have won that as well.

Chad - Yeah, if Memo goes ahead at Washtenaw this winter with the Stock and Open SC Classes, I think he will be setting the pace in the evolution of the Class. He's said he intends one more year of Slash Spec, then transition to pure SC classes in the following years, in the traditional buggy and stadium truck examples.

One thing that muddies the conversation from my point of view... when we speak of a Slash or Losi (whatever that thing is called) Spec class we aren't talking a typical stock motor that would come with an RTR, they both effectivly come with mod motors in the Titan example. Yet, when MORL says "stock" SC, its neither "Spec" or "RTR" motor, its actually a "ROAR" type stock rated power plant.

So, all these variable need to be defined when tying to compare. Of course, in a Washtenaw type "open" class, its run whatever you want...

(for example a stock rated brushless with 3-cell Lipo, as was done by some last year)


S.J. - Yep. That's why the side by side comparison between the two classes is really apples to oranges. Good observation.

I think an open class is one thing, if people want to run bigger motors then go for it. But putting 1/8th scale tires on them just defeats the purpose of the class in my opinion. You lose the scale realism and the handling characteristics that brought me to this class to begin with. I think that will end up ruining the class when we go away from what the class is supposed to be. The real CORR trucks didn't decide to go with monster truck tires.

I think an open class is one thing, if people want to run bigger motors then go for it. But putting 1/8th scale tires on them just defeats the purpose of the class in my opinion. You lose the scale realism and the handling characteristics that brought me to this class to begin with. I think that will end up ruining the class when we go away from what the class is supposed to be. The real CORR trucks didn't decide to go with monster truck tires.

How about we try and define "open" as it might apply?

Open to aftermarket chassis (like yours), open motor, open battery, open electronics and servos, but must be SC class "type" tire, and SC class "type" body?

(and must meet ROAR class chassis guidelines as they might apply)

Any other ideas / suggestions I'm not thinking of?

That's how I would do it :thumbsup: After all we call them short course trucks just like their grown up cousins. Not 1/8th scale hybrids. If you wanna run 1/8th scale parts run an 1/8th scale. When you start adding this that and the other damn thing there goes the class. This is one time where I have to agree with roar, they kept it simple for this class.

I'd like to see a 1/8 scale 4WD electric Short Course Truck class.

STOCK SC AND MOD SC that should be it.

STOCK SC AND MOD SC that should be it.

I think that day is coming...

I think that day is coming...

(spoken in an Al Sharpton sermon voice) "To which all will rejoice and welcome their spec class bretheren into the land of equality and prosperity known as SCT racing!!!!:thumbsup:May fast lines be with you...And also with you....:thumbsup:

(spoken in an Al Sharpton sermon voice) "To which all will rejoice and welcome their spec class bretheren into the land of equality and prosperity known as SCT racing!!!!

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May fast lines be with you...And also with you....

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Darn tootin...

:)

But seriously, even if we went ROAR 27t/17.5 BL with stock the cost to race a box stock RTR would be like 25.00 extra for a decent 27t stocker and it would be competitive.Rick Marriott ran a 27t in his slash in the sc class this year and did pretty well with it.His truck was just as fast as mine was down the straight at BFG

But seriously, even if we went ROAR 27t/17.5 BL with stock the cost to race a box stock RTR would be like 25.00 extra for a decent 27t stocker and it would be competitive.Rick Marriott ran a 27t in his slash in the sc class this year and did pretty well with it.His truck was just as fast as mine was down the straight at BFG

Yeah, Rick did very well this year. He almost won his Main at Stateline with a very good showing - I still need to make a tape for him of that race.

How about this?

http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/pictures/news/198_main_sm.jpg

http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/pictures/news/198_main_sm.jpg

Yeah, Rick did very well this year. He almost won his Main at Stateline with a very good showing - I still need to make a tape for him of that race.

How about this?

http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/pictures/news/198_main_sm.jpg

http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/pictures/news/198_main_sm.jpg

I got one better than that kyosho truck , Thats OLD news!!A company called Ansmann/Team C is also releasing a SCT very soon.They already have a 2wd buggy and Truck that are based off of Kyosho rb5 suspension geometry that look to be very good quality.Give me a minute to pull some pics together and I will post them up.

Here are pics of the 2wd buggy ,truck, and cad renderings of the SCT soon to be released by Ansmann/team C.Sorry the CAD rendering is so small.The only one I could find. For larger pics of the sct visit the TEAM C SCT thread in the electric offroad section on RC tech.

I was thinking about a Jammin 4WD X1SCT last year:

http://xc2.xanga.com/cc4f1a1617333223328941/m175379845.jpg

http://x1a.xanga.com/fb2f041354132223328943/m175379847.jpg

We sold the Jammin, and bought / upgraded to the 8IGHT for Dan's winter season.

I am waiting to see what is going to happen in the realm of 4wd SCT's.Had a notion about a SCT based on the academy sbv2 4wd buggy I think would be pretty cool.

STOCK SC AND MOD SC that should be it.

That would be simplest. Always going to be some difference b/w sanctioned rules and local rules though, unless a track is using ROAR rules, etc. I don't see why the RTR cars couldn't run in a Stock class, we used to do that with Stock truck and buggy. Honestly, when I take this Radon out and put a Reedy MVP in I think it's going to be faster LOL. I think the simpler you keep this particular class the better. It attracts newbs and people like me who have enough $1,000 cars and the tires and parts to go with them. Something simple and cheap to run for a 3rd class. Wouldn't ever want to see it get away from where somone can walk in and buy truck, batteries, and charger and go race, and have equipment that's on par with everyone else.

Wouldn't ever want to see it get away from where somone can walk in and buy truck, batteries, and charger and go race, and have equipment that's on par with everyone else.

Me too. I like the opportunity for rookies like me to put a truck on the track and learn, while also playing with some of the best.

Just to bump this up again. Last weekend I ran my stock SC10 for the first time, and we ended up running a mixed class (Mod and Stock) so we'd have a full class. I came in 5th, the highest placed stock truck was a Slash in 3rd, the other SC10 was 7th. So yeah, I think it's a pretty level playing field. The interesting thing is that the guy that won ran his stock Slash in the 2nd qual rather than his mod one. He was one second faster with the Mod car. Answeres the question of whether you can put too much power in a short course truck too don't it? Ha ha ha.

Just to bump this up again. Last weekend I ran my stock SC10 for the first time, and we ended up running a mixed class (Mod and Stock) so we'd have a full class. I came in 5th, the highest placed stock truck was a Slash in 3rd, the other SC10 was 7th. So yeah, I think it's a pretty level playing field. The interesting thing is that the guy that won ran his stock Slash in the 2nd qual rather than his mod one. He was one second faster with the Mod car. Answeres the question of whether you can put too much power in a short course truck too don't it? Ha ha ha.

The Washtenaw Program final rules for SCT classes should be posted soon. It's looking like Slash Spec (for one last year), SCT Stock and SCT Open. All depending on who shows up with how many...

I think its going to make for some great racing.

Two weeks ago 3 losi strikes showed up to race at the track i was running at and all three drivers said its the best sc truck,well from what i seen none of the three strikes where any faster or handled better then my slash as far as that goes in a drag race down the front stretch my slash out ran the losi strike btw i am talking box stock. i am not saying the losi is worse then the slash i am saying it just has to be proved to me its a better truck.
There was one sc-10 racing with us that day and he was running a 17.5 with a 2c lipo of course sc-10 was alot faster then a stock sc-10 so summing it up i would say its not the brand of sc truck you own,it all boils down to set up and how good you are at driving what ever you own.on any given day at any race track any one could win.

Two weeks ago 3 losi strikes showed up to race at the track i was running at and all three drivers said its the best sc truck,well from what i seen none of the three strikes where any faster or handled better then my slash as far as that goes in a drag race down the front stretch my slash out ran the losi strike btw i am talking box stock. i am not saying the losi is worse then the slash i am saying it just has to be proved to me its a better truck.
There was one sc-10 racing with us that day and he was running a 17.5 with a 2c lipo of course sc-10 was alot faster then a stock sc-10 so summing it up i would say its not the brand of sc truck you own,it all boils down to set up and how good you are at driving what ever you own.on any given day at any race track any one could win.

Next time they say the Strike is the best, Tell them that's great but they are not roar legal for competition. I think it may be a size issue or something.
For bashing or club racing I'm sure they will be fine in the right hands...
...I took off my mudflaps off my sc10 so I can throw dirt on em:wave:

Next time they say the Strike is the best, Tell them that's great but they are not roar legal for competition. I think it may be a size issue or something.
For bashing or club racing I'm sure they will be fine in the right hands...
...I took off my mudflaps off my sc10 so I can throw dirt on em:wave:

Last I recall, they were too long. I suppose the way it works is ROAR will change the rules to accommodate the "big" manufacturer.

I think their to wide also.

Slash 4X4,,, Now that looks like fun!

price check please!!!!!!!

NEED MORE POWER (Tim Allen)

http://x75.xanga.com/1f3f643b62434256366657/m203929584.jpg

The slash 4x4 looks like it will be alot of fun with all the hop ups it offers but i wonder how pricey it will be? and if the 4x4 will kill off the 2wd class at the tracks? i sure would hate to see my 2wd slash just setting on the shelve collecting dust because nobody wants to race the 2 wheel drive class anymore if that happens i guess my slash can set next to my losi xxxnt and both can beat a :beatdeadhorse:

I just picked up a SC10 because I think the SC10 and Blitz will overshadow the Slash once we have the bugs worked out. They both jump better, and corner smoother.

Right now my Slash with 50/35 shock oil, rear shocks moved to the 3rd hole out, upper rear hub hole, 20tooth pinion, feels planted compared to the Blitz, SC10's. Seems more consistant and easier to drive. It's too heavy though, and struggles to jump.




Putting on 1/8th buggy tires is Gay. It ruins the whole point of this class. The trucks are supposed to be a bit compromised and slowish and have scale looks and handleing. Seriously, just race 1/8th E buggy.

My take:
Stock- 17.5, 27t, or RTR engines. SCT style tire/wheels only. Proline bowties allowed. Stock RTR suspension only. Any radio/servo/ESC.

Mod- no motor limit. SCT tires only. Any shocks/springs.

Im not a fan of the 1/8 tires on a Slash either, at least for racing. For bashing, in my view it's a different thing, then anything goes and its all in fun anyway.

(That pic I offered above was a 1/8 buggy made into an SCT idea I was working on)

Along those lines, its supposed to be all in fun with racing too, but keeping things apples to apples and fair on the track, as well as optimizing performance is a different game than off-track bashing.

Mojo, you were looking for pricing for the Slash 4x4? I asked the Traxxas rep about out-of-the-box features and price when we saw him at IHobby. The answers are here (http://blog.handyracing.com/2009/10/28/the-handyracing-crew-takes-a-quick-field-trip-to-the-international-i-hobby-expo-2009.aspx), along with on-track demo vids...

at leisure hours we run 2 classes one class is stock slash with the acceptable mods being aluminum shock caps, outdrives, and rear hub carriers. battery is a unmatched 3800 or less 6 cell and everything else is stock, then is the open class which is any sc class chassis with open batery and motor rules, must run sc type tire with no cut truck tires we usually have a few heats of each.

at leisure hours we run 2 classes one class is stock slash with the acceptable mods being aluminum shock caps, outdrives, and rear hub carriers. battery is a unmatched 3800 or less 6 cell and everything else is stock, then is the open class which is any sc class chassis with open batery and motor rules, must run sc type tire with no cut truck tires we usually have a few heats of each.

I've lobbied for the two classes as part of a program too (Washtenaw).

We filmed the Leisure Hours race program while we were in Chicago for the iHobby Expo. Will have the A-Main vids posted soon...