Okay Kids,
This thread is going to be a reference guide for the Jupiter 2 kit. With the help of Teslabe I will create a cannonical reference for the detailing and painting of this new kit, using the exhaustive notations in the Irwin Allen Scrap Book Vol 2. by William E. Anchors,Jr. (available at some conventions or sometimes on the evil auction site) Using the notations in the book. I will provide Teslab with video cues from which he can make screen captures. Without 35mm film negatives, high resolution will not be possible but we will present the images as large as practical from DVD's. Wish us luck. Check back often. We will post as many photos as we can, and I will provide keys to the scenes from which they were taken and any notes from the book about them.

Since most of the detail in the kit features details from the third season, that's what we will pay most attention to here.

Episode Notes:

(1.) First episode up is "Condemed of Space" (Air date: Sept. 6th, 1967)
Everyone in this episode except Dr. Smith begins wearing their third-season fatigues. Smith first wears his outfit in the second episode of the Third season "Visit to a Hostile Planet"
(2.)The Astrogator, which was last seen in "Cave of the Wizards" is now back in place and will remain so until it disappears once again in "Two Weeks in Space".
(3.) The scene of the Jupiter lifting of the planet is later used in "Junkyard in Space" Color footage from the crash sequence from the pilot episode is run backwards for this lift-off.Some elements of the pilot episode was shot on color film,(second Unit) although never aired in this form. This footage was later added to various second and third season episodes.
(4.) The comet seen through the viewport appeared as Earth's Sun in "Wild Adventure" and is later used as a green planet in "Flight into the Future".

Notes Continued;

(5.) Robby the Robot appears in this episode and also in "War of the Robots". Those of you building Robby pay close attention to the re-detailed chest area and the yellow pin stripes around his arms and feet.
(6.) GAF's beautiful ViewMaster Reels set were based on this episode.
(7.) This is the First appearance of the Jupiter's main viewport crash blinders.

Episode Notes:...

(3.) ...The pilot episode was the only First season episode shot on color film, although never aired in this form...
From what I've heard, only some of the special effects from the "No Place to Hide" pilot were shot in color. Apparently, the launch scene was not part of that footage, nor were in-space shots of the ship.

It is my understanding that the entire episode was shot in color, and that the studio has discovered missing reels of footage. I defer to you sir, as I am certainly no expert on the subject. Meerly repeating hearsay.:)

Only the second unit phototography was filmed in color. This includes the crash of the spaceship, the chariot footage, the one eyed giant and John in the Rocket Belt. The studio told Irwin Allen the he would have to cover the additional cost to shoot the rest of the pilot in color. That was a QUICK "NO"!

The footage which was filmed in color shows up in 2nd and 3rd season episodes.


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Ther Outer Hull is subject to interpretation, but I plan to use a Metalic Silver Testors 1246 and a sealer coat of Glosscoat. Other options are Metalizer Paints airbrushed on, buffed out and sealed with 1409 Metalizer sealer.

Thank you Geminibuildups, I stand corrected. I knew that if a mistatement was made there were enough knowledgable people here to correct any error.

That's a wonderful thing that you're trying to do here, much needed. As you say, much of the color will depend on the filming conditions, processing, mastering, etc. I've got a series of backstage photos obviously taken one after another of the Chariot being loaded as the Robinson's leave the ship in the pilot episode, and each photo in the sequence shows Judy's coat as different shades of red and the chariot frame as different shades of deep orange to red. I've also got a series of publicity shots of Don and Judy again obviously taken as a sequence. Their bust shots are identical, only their poses have changed slightly. Don's parka goes from a light powder blue to a rich mid blue to an extremely dark navy blue. How do you choose?
Also, unless you've color calibrated your monitors at both ends, what you see will be an approximation anyway.
All those qualifications in mind, I thought I'd see what few 3d season backstage photos I have, to accompany your screen grabs. The picture quality isn't great, but you get some idea of the colors involved.

And this isn't any good for color at all but I thought it might be of interest anyway. Out of attachment space so I can't leave these for too long.
Edit: a couple more photos. You can see the difference in the greys between the two photos of the freezing tube panels. So even photos of the same props taken off the set have considerable variation. But as a general guide for modelers, any information will be of great use.
Another edit: (wierd, I can no longer use manage attachments with my updated Firefox, have to use IE???) a shot of the window frames. They looked like this at the beginning of the 3d season, at least until the revision that added the new control panels that slid out of the sides inside the crash doors. Also, the exterior shot reminded me: the exterior finish of the miniature seems quite a bit darker than the exterior finish on the full size (crash) set.

I think this thread is a good idea as I will need a lot of help getting painting references.

Ther Outer Hull is subject to interpretation, but I plan to use a Metalic Silver Testors 1246 and a sealer coat of Glosscoat. Other options are Metalizer Paints airbrushed on, buffed out and sealed with 1409 Metalizer sealer.
Again, I've read that the hero was painted with something close to modern Krylon silver. Also, that it had some grit, or sand, mixed in, to prevent reflection. Metalizer may be a bit too shiny.

I just made this cap and it fits in with the above observations about hull color. It was, in fact, not silver at all on the full size. It appears to be a stippled blend of grey and white to achieve the silver look, without reflections. The art department at Fox knew their craft!

Iused Model Master Stainless Steel on my PL J2. It leaves a slight texture that is knocked down when you polish the paint to make it shiny. I did not ploish mine and dullcoated it. I think it turned out quite nice.

Arugh, a couple more shots of small details. Be interesting to see how "controlled" photos compare with the screen grabs. All these, as far as I know, are the original props.

I love it when a plan comes together, thank you all for assistance and input, as it is much appreciated. The plan here is to focus on colors and detail, however slight, Structures, substructures, fasteners, possible working features, etc.

A couple of more grabs I made. Hope they help.

Beautiful, this is what I was after. In the above post you will note the reels for the flight recorder are YELLOW not the usual silver metalic we are used to. It is these minute differences I want to document. Remember, the kit was engineered to represent a third season varient, please note in any photo's that came from other seasons. Other season examples are welcome as they add more options for the scratch builder. In the Space Pod bay, note the large black bumper on the Starboard side bulkhead. Also note the bullitin board , and added viewport on the bulkhead in the Starboard side utility room.

Because of the exposure latitude of film, sets can't be painted exactly how you would expect them to be. If you want something to appear white for example, you paint it a shade of gray..then once 20,000 watts of studio lighting go on it will appear white. Otherwise all the detail would be washed out on film because it's ability to record a large tonal range is limited. (If you have ever met with actors after a play you will know what I mean as their face make-up appears very dark and orange yet they looked normal skin color under the stage lights.)
So my choice would be to go with screen grabs as this is the color they wanted it to appear and not necessarily the color the prop was actually painted when built.

20,000 watts of studio lighting go on it will appear white. not necessarily the color the prop was actually painted when built.

Unless you put your model under those 20,000 watt lights.......wait that wouldn't be good.:tongue:

Seriously though, any good shots of the exterior?

Here are some more. Note the door next to the ladder has about a 2" gap at the bottom. Also the colors involved with the hatch controls. Could have gotten a better shot of the communications station from "Hunters Moon", but it was part of a process shot, (An image was burned onto the TV screen.), so the color and contrast were way off. Also of note, what appears gray on the set detailing, mostly around the communication screen, is really green. Just like the flight console under the viewport.

Unless you put your model under those 20,000 watt lights.......wait that wouldn't be good.:tongue:

Seriously though, any good shots of the exterior?

Best I could find for now. One of the miniature and a close-up of the full size set.

depends if you want your ship to like it did on Tv or in person, studio lights and film speed change every thing. i never knew for the longest time the Enterprise wasnt white, but maybe Gene wanted a whit ship and the only way for it to show up on Tv was to paint it greyessssss

Darn, looks like this has been addressed already.

Here are some more. Note the door next to the ladder has about a 2" gap at the bottom. Also the colors involved with the hatch controls. Could have gotten a better shot of the communications station from "Hunters Moon", but it was part of a process shot, (An image was burned onto the TV screen.), so the color and contrast were way off. Also of note, what appears gray on the set detailing, mostly around the communication screen, is really green. Just like the flight console under the viewport.

Hung like a closet door!...not Doctor Smith, I mean the hatch door next to him with the 2 inch gap!

And here's an alternate control panel/scanner unit from "2 Weeks" and "Lighthouse" among others. I can't find in my notes if this was just the left unit or if both units were replaced. Something else for searches and screen grabs.

For my hull color, I primed the hull with white and then sprayed plasti-kote Classic Metals Crystal blue.

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Since most of the detail in the kit features details from the third season, that's what we will pay most attention to here.

Episode Notes:

(1.) First episode up is "Condemed of Space" (Air date: Sept. 6th, 1967)
Everyone in this episode except Dr. Smith begins wearing their third-season fatigues. Smith first wears his outfit in the second episode of the Third season "Visit to a Hostile Planet"
(2.)The Astrogator, which was last seen in "Cave of the Wizards" is now back in place and will remain so until it disappears once again in "Two Weeks in Space".
(3.) The scene of the Jupiter lifting of the planet is later used in "Junkyard in Space" Color footage from the crash sequence from the pilot episode is run backwards for this lift-off.Some elements of the pilot episode was shot on color film,(second Unit) although never aired in this form. This footage was later added to various second and third season episodes.
(4.) The comet seen through the viewport appeared as Earth's Sun in "Wild Adventure" and is later used as a green planet in "Flight into the Future".



Good idea Duct for this thread.:thumbsup: It will give some people other stuff to concentrate on. Out of this first list, I dont remember Smith wearing his season two costume during seaon 3. I believe they all started to wear their new cloths starting witht the first ep.


Some of the set colors of the second season are also in some of the third season episodes, before they refreshed the set. The tape reels for example were still painted their silver color for a couple episodes and than painted yellow.(If you watch the dvds in airdate order they switch from silver to yellow a couple times during the first few episodes.

In "Condemed of Space" Dr. Smith was the only member of the group not seen in third season costume. The first few scenes he appears in night clothes, followed by his silver flight suit for the rest of the episode. As for set colors, they changed back and forth from scene to scene as the studio reused some effects footage. Sort of a now-you-see- it, now-you-don't.

Oops. You beat me to it!

In "Condemed of Space" Dr. Smith was the only member of the group not seen in third season costume. The first few scenes he appears in night clothes, followed by his silver flight suit for the rest of the episode. As for set colors, they changed back and forth from scene to scene as the studio reused some effects footage. Sort of a now-you-see- it, now-you-don't.


Ahhh yes he did indeed remian in his flight suit the rest of the ep. I do rememeber the set though had some season 2 colors. The tape reels were indeed silver for an ep or two in the third season. I think they were actually standing in front of them. Of course the scanners on the control console also changed later in the season as well as a few other things.

Get the next one Roy!

Wow, this tread has taken right off, I sent some screen grads to ductape and will send him more when I can but it looks like you all are doing fine without me......:wave:

All input is valuable. The more eyes and minds to the task, the better. Who better to pick out details,than a modeler? I encourage everyone to pitch in. Scenes blend in our minds and become common and taken for granted, we need sharp detail oriented eyes to pick out little differences, color changes,new equipment, set construction details, props,markings, etc. I just recieved the first group of screen captures from Kent, and will spend the day pouring over them.

Wow, this tread has taken right off, I sent some screen grads to ductape and will send him more when I can but it looks like you all are doing fine without me......:wave:
teslabe, you have email

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this pic is now part of my screen saver, many thanks. (-:

so 3rd seaosn jup floor is 3 colors not 2, the flight controls chage a zillion times, not sure I can tell from the test shots which season this kit has, knowing it comes with landing leg doors was a nice surprise.

Most of the set changes occured durring season changes, but the changes seem to have no rational reason at times. As I stated my intent is to feature the third season upper deck primarily, although it is becomeing apparent that notations of set changes may have to include images as far back as first season and the Pilot. So this is something I need to address. The mission here has to alter slightly,and I will need everyones assistance. Break out your DVD's and begin combing through the ENTIRE run of the series,searching for any significant changes in the onscreen features. If you have the ability to do screen grabs, please let me know and I will provide my e-mail address where you can send them. I need all you armchair archeologist's and net detectives on the case!

Woof, You have mail also.
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If the content inside is half as nice as the cover picture,this paint guide should be terrific.:)

Make it so, number One!

some day the deck seemed like Lynnolium and other times it looked like painted ply wood. they added speakers and a missle launch pistol grip, keeping the kit acurate is going to be a challange

It is not the intention of this guide to "be-all-end-all 100% accurate", That Folks is quite IMPOSSIBLE. However, it is my goal to illustrate all manner of differences in equipment, colors, markings, props etc. With the information printed here it should allow you, the model builder, a reasonable representation of the Jupiter 2 as she appears on your television screen, one that is pleasing to the eye and something you will be proud to show off. All colors are listed as they appear on my 50" color corrected High Defination LCD TV. Use your own judgement if you simply must paint it like the studio props.

When the Moebius Jupiter 2 was first peeked at, I started grabbing 3rd season shots. Here are a few....notice the picture on the wall in middle grab.

Best possible thread so far for the upcoming J2 kit!!! :thumbsup:

Thanks to all who contribute!

the back hall way, i noticed in Junkyard theres a stair case leading down to the right of the port hole

When the Moebius Jupiter 2 was first peeked at, I started grabbing 3rd season shots. Here are a few....notice the picture on the wall in middle grab.

You also caught Dr. Smith in mid-mince!

And the wall with the porthole...straight up and down! "Should we build it to the angle of the hull sides? "Does it matter?.. the kids will never notice!"

Man, 3rd season...that just pretty much gave up on what little consistency and logic they had regarding the interior of the Jupiter 2, didn't they? :)

Whatever served the needs of the script of the moment.

Good job guys. Keep it up!

And the wall with the porthole...straight up and down! "Should we build it to the angle of the hull sides? "Does it matter?.. the kids will never notice!"

I plan to add the viewport, but on an incline to match the hull contour.

I dont remember if they said the back port hole is part of the upper hull or not,Im afraid to ask any more.