I'm running a Tekin 13.5 with an RS Pro in a local Slider class. My question is how does the gearing compare to a Novak. Will I need to gear higher with a Tekin motor than a Novak?? I will be keeping an eye on motor temps, but I wasn't sure if it's normal to gear one motor higher or lower than another. Thanks.

No soup for you!

why not try a Epic Duo2. I saw alot of Tekins motors go up in smoke a couple of weekends ago! Word is Duo2 is the way to go! Scott

why did the TEKIN motors go up in smoke ... I have seen their spec motors run up front with novaks and trinity based motors in 21.5 2 c I have seen every motor manufactors motors go up in smoke .Why to much gear and high temperature racing on ashpalt or bad bearings the list goes on and on . Just wonrdering why the TEKIns had an issue .SRM

No clue Rocket, but if I was to suspect anything probably to much gear and got them to hot but that would just be me speculating! Scott

Thnaks for the feedback , Im sure TEKIN is moving hteir program forward .Th einductance and rotor numbers are huge and I ran against one of their TEAM guys and was impressed with the pull he had ...

ROCKET

Thnaks for the feedback , Im sure TEKIN is moving hteir program forward .Th einductance and rotor numbers are huge and I ran against one of their TEAM guys and was impressed with the pull he had ...

ROCKET

thanks:hat:

Max timing on a Tekin motor is about 28 degrees.......Max timing on a Novak motor is 18-22 degrees.......So if you have a Tekin RS and Hotwire set timing on the Novak around 12 degrees and the Tekin around 5 degrees......Max timing on motors........Same gear!!!!!!!! Motor temp should be around 160 degrees............

So if you set the timing the same on the tekin RS the Tekin will need less gear than the novak.......about 5+ teeth!!!!


Tekin will be about 2k to 3k more RPMs

Max timing on a Tekin motor is about 28 degrees.......Max timing on a Novak motor is 18-22 degrees.......So if you have a Tekin RS and Hotwire set timing on the Novak around 12 degrees and the Tekin around 5 degrees......Max timing on motors........Same gear!!!!!!!! Motor temp should be around 160 degrees............

Thanks...that's what I was interested in!! :thumbsup:

If I run a duo 2....where is a good starting point??

I can't help on the Duo2, I have never seen one. But, what I've seen about 30 to 35 degrees of total timing is the sweet spot for most brushless motors.......or at least a good starting point.......Just be sure to check motor temp often.

thanks for the info!!

thanks for the info!!

i will hook you up with both questioms when you call me:hat:

Steve Weiss explained that both the earlier Novak motors--the Velocitis and SS Pros--and the new Ballistic motors were factory set to 30 degrees timing.

The Ballistics have 360 degree timing adjustments, but should be set according to the guidance posted elsewhere on this forum.

By tekin markings on the motor a tekin has about 28 degres of timing. Novak SS Pro motors have no markings, so turn it as hard as you can counter clockwise and add 12 degrees of timing boost. with the tekin add 0 to 5 of timing boost.....

I don't know how the ballistics compare.

With the new fully adjustable timing motors and ESC, a Dyno a very useful tool again! I love it..........

I have been the 21.5SS Novak with timing cranked on the motor and 10 on the Tekin RS. Doing that with an 88/53 gear. Seems to be a pretty good sweet spot with very little fall off out the back of the run.

--Cory

Ballistic Motor Timing Information Update (Preliminary)

In an effort to answer a number of questions relating to motor timing we have compiled some information to help you better understand static motor timing and its effects with our Ballistic Series of motors.

“How many Degrees of Timing does my Ballistic Motor have?”

Our Ballistic motors come with their timing calibrated and set from the factory. Using custom built and calibrated electronic equipment we set each and every motor to 30 degrees of timing. After Calibration the timing label is added and this set timing corresponds to the “N” on the timing label on the side

Each line on the label denotes a 5 degree change, so the timing available on the motor the label corresponds as follows:

-3 -2 -1 N +1 +2 +3
15 20 25 30 35 40 45

N = 30 (rows do not line up correctly)

SPECIAL NOTE: The timing we are describing is the ACTUAL ELECTRICAL TIMING in the motor, not just some arbitrarily reference made from a point on the outside of the motor like many of our competitors' motors. This makes comparing timing settings between different brands of motors difficult without the proper equipment.

“What Does Timing Adjustment do?”

We set our timing at an optimized point for most general applications. Adjusting the timing should only be done in small increments and with great care to observe the changes in system performance and temperatures.

WE RECOMMEND THAT YOUR SYSTEM’S TEMPERATURE NEVER EXCEED 160 DEGREES FARENHEIGHT.

When adjusting the timing, we recommend adjusting the timing, at most, 1 notch, or 5 degrees at a time.

When you turn the timing up to a more positive number (from N to +1) your motor will produce more no-load RPM and generally suffer a slight reduction in torque. To combat excessive heating brought about the loss of torque we recommend gearing down 1 tooth on the pinion for each notch (5 degree increment).

When turning the timing down, to a more negative number (from N to -1) your motor will produce less no-load RPM and generally experience an increase in torque. To combat a loss of top end speed brought about by the loss of RPM we recommend gearing up 1 tooth on the pinion for each notch (5 degree increment).

Ballistic Timing Questions, Part 2

“How do I set my Ballistic to zero degrees of timing?”

The factory timing for the Ballistic is 30 degrees of timing and corresponds to the N on the timing label on the back of the motor.

We do not recommend running zero degrees of timing for most applications and would recommend running at least 5 degrees of timing to ensure proper operation of the motor.

NOTE: When running your timing lower than the pre-set factory 30 degrees your reversing function of your Novak ESC may not work properly as it accounts for this 30 degrees of timing in its commutation sequence.

To adjust the motor to this lower 5 degree timing setting:

1. Loosen the three 1.5 mm hex head screws on the back timing cap of the motor

2. Turn the end-cap clockwise until the stationary notch on the endbell lines up with the edge of the label as demonstrated in the picture below.

[Photos will appear on web-site when we add this update]

3. Re-tighten the three 1.5 mm hex head screws in a circular pattern to ensure that they are all tightened evenly.

I ran a 17.5 tekin at the Indy velo with a novak GTB and was 5 teeth higher on gear then anyone else. truck was fast took first place. Motor has alot of torque.

at the large oval i seen all the motor be fast! Tekin, NOVAK, DUO 2, FANTOM not sure that helps because they are wide open 99% of the time!