Willy is ready to rock and roll sat he has the 00 backup truck :woohoo:

Yep I will be there in a borrowed truck. Hopefully I got the monkey off my back. lol

After reading the last few pages I will put my opinion in too. Here goes, SPOON OUT. LOL

I do not think any 13.5 "bonded" or not should be allowed in "spec" class. There should be enough batteries and motors trickling down now to get "spec" up with the times. LOL The only reason to run a 13.5 in "spec" is to be faster. Should the beginer class be turning laps faster than SST? I know some people will not be happy with this but some thing needs to be done. Kyle has quit oval because of this issue. He was running a LRP SSX TC profile 10, 40c Thunder power battery and 2 different 17.5's and was 3 to 4 laps off the pace his last race at MP. Obviously I can not set up a pan car and most of the blame is mine. I did not think a "spec" cars setup should be so critical but apparently it is. But what do you say to a 9 year old that comes up to you and says " all the other guys in my race are running 13.5's". He is done for this season, I am not going to push him into something he is not having fun in. I don't now at this point if I will be able to get him back in to it in the fall or not. He is not ready for SST, the racing is to close and he has allot to learn about on track manners. lol I am not typing this to complain. After seeing the last few pages I thought it is something that needs to be shared.

I think we should all go racing and have some fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:


some rules need a tweek, it will all work out in the end!

Ohh I'm sorry, I forgot to call Keith and Greg a couple of whinny SOB's:):wave:

I think it's much more entertaining when there's some name calling...or at least when it's directed at Laurel and Hardy. :tongue:

I hate you Ray!:wave:

now boys be good

Better watch out now Zippy,
I guess all Racknor needed was a vacation.
He was running 2.9's up front. (5 laps in a row!)

I'm staying home this weekend!

Better watch out now Zippy,
I guess all Racknor needed was a vacation.
He was running 2.9's up front. (5 laps in a row!)

I'm staying home this weekend!
Whatever................................
See ya Saturday.

Ok 2 day's thil the Dubble header Can't wait Brian Russ Mark and I had some good practice last night... Keith is back He was seen working on a truck ... Saturday should be fun with Willy now being able to make it the SST champ will be in the HOUSE...

I need to get to a meeting so I do not have time to call all of you names but this afternoon stay tune in for your new nick name!


There was a meeting of mines last night and it is over.

Spec = run what you got or get more.

SSt = Whatever Scott says.

13.5 = Open no wine asses!

Willie, I have used a 17.5 LIPO for the last 2month and I am just as fast.
Duke won almost every heat and EVERY main with his 17.5 spec and AL
won plenty with 17.5 lipo spec when I ran 13.5 bonded. SO if we all go to
17.5, you will still be in the same boat. My 5 cents. Oh Ya,I still have not
used a McHappy McPappy chassis in spec,so maybe I will just to get even
2 more laps.

I need to get to a meeting so I do not have time to call all of you names but this afternoon stay tune in for your new nick name!


There was a meeting of mines last night and it is over.

Spec = run what you got or get more.

SSt = Whatever Scott says.

13.5 = Open no wine asses!

13.5 = Open no wine asses.
Is that with wings or not?:p

Who gave Fred a spoon? :)

Willie, I have used a 17.5 LIPO for the last 2month and I am just as fast.
Duke won almost every heat and EVERY main with his 17.5 spec and AL
won plenty with 17.5 lipo spec when I ran 13.5 bonded. SO if we all go to
17.5, you will still be in the same boat. My 5 cents. Oh Ya,I still have not
used a McHappy McPappy chassis in spec,so maybe I will just to get even
2 more laps.

17.5 ballistic, single cell lipo,mmp speed controler, Mcpappy, CHD body, and you wheelin it it should be fast Rick you have a mission get'r done :tongue::wave:

13.5 = Open no wine asses.
Is that with wings or not?:p

it says open doesn't it?

do I get Keiths spoon award yet?

do I get Keiths spoon award yet?

No spoon for you!

You need to go back to the old Dave where you worked on your shit so much we could count on you being sideways in the first corner. Now we worry about being lapped by you! I want the old Dave back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah.. what he said! :tongue:

Does anybody have a 17.5 spec car I can borrow this weekend? If so Jeremy I will need one of your batteries.

I am planning on being like my hero Rick R. this weekend. 10.5, Spec, SST, Legends and anything else I can borrow from someone.

Gotcha covered ;)

No spoon for you!

:cry:

Everyone needs to remember the old saying:
Don't bring a spoon to a knife fight. You may get forked!:)

I need to get to a meeting so I do not have time to call all of you names but this afternoon stay tune in for your new nick name!


There was a meeting of mines last night and it is over.

Spec = run what you got or get more.

SSt = Whatever Scott says.

13.5 = Open no wine asses!

I'm glad your not talking about names for me....it all the trouble makers you need to get on!

I am innocent in this issue.

So......it's 13.5 this weekend? or I can just drop 15t on the pinion...right????

Uh... Spec is not going to be run what you brung.:)
This is a PRIME example why Racknor is Spoon Master of the Universe!
Nice one Keith!:)

So......it's 13.5 this weekend? or I can just drop 15t on the pinion...right????

I think MP 10.5 should be an OPEN CLASS this weekend, since its the last race of the year. What do you guys think? ;)

So......it's 13.5 this weekend? or I can just drop 15t on the pinion...right????

Uh oh! Looks like somebody spilled the weekly secret setup.
It's true Duke! Drop 15t will make you faster!

Uh oh! Looks like somebody spilled the weekly secret setup.
It's true Duke! Drop 15t will make you faster!

I can always coun't on you Mr. Scott! (who sounds like Racknor???)

I hate you Ray!:wave:

Ahhh...You're just pulling my leg...:)

Willie, I have used a 17.5 LIPO for the last 2month and I am just as fast.
Duke won almost every heat and EVERY main with his 17.5 spec and AL
won plenty with 17.5 lipo spec when I ran 13.5 bonded. SO if we all go to
17.5, you will still be in the same boat. My 5 cents. Oh Ya,I still have not
used a McHappy McPappy chassis in spec,so maybe I will just to get even
2 more laps. the only place that i run 17.5 and won was at gr where it is faster. with the tekin it might be faster at bc and mp. i was running a gtb with the 17.5. spec used to be one motor and one battery and it would be great to see it go back to that way. as far as the motor goes either a novak or the trinity duo 1 if it's still available.

Willie, I have used a 17.5 LIPO for the last 2month and I am just as fast.
Duke won almost every heat and EVERY main with his 17.5 spec and AL
won plenty with 17.5 lipo spec when I ran 13.5 bonded. SO if we all go to
17.5, you will still be in the same boat. My 5 cents. Oh Ya,I still have not
used a McHappy McPappy chassis in spec,so maybe I will just to get even
2 more laps.

I am fine with you being 10 laps faster if everyone runs the same wind of motor in that given class. :thumbsup: Look I know I am not going to change anyones mind. I am trying to give you guys something to think about. I admit I do not have the answers. I hate seeing people quit racing.

I know of 3 people that quit "SPEC" this year and are not racing oval any more. I bet there are more that are frustrated that have not chimed in on it.

I know there is no such thing as "fair". ;) We however need the illusion of fair. Especially for the beginer class. What percentage of racing do you guys think is mental? If you do not think you have a chance, you have no chance.

13.5 is a faster motor than a 17.5. True or False?:confused:

If all run 17.5 or all run 13.5 there is less of an issue.:)

With everyone running the same wind of motor, it gives us the illusion of being fair. It makes it easier to tell someone to work on driving or there setup. Also I think this will get them to realize they need help quicker. Instead of sitting in the pits and thinking about quitting because they don't think it is "fair".

Well, I wouldn't be the first person to admit that our Spec class is hardly "Spec".
SST is the closest thing to spec racing around here and believe it or not, the 10.5 class is almost a spec class.
Neither of those classes have 3 different combos being used.

I can't help but mention that nobody running brushed equipment in the spec class is voicing any opinions
I know there must be a couple guys still doing it the old fashioned way.
Maybe they are just in it for the kicks.:)

A level playing field is what made SST the biggest class in the state.
And while it wasn't designed for beginners, it certainly has brought some new faces out of the woodwork.

It sucks that people have quit because of the issue that they don't think they have the right equipment.
Especially when people with the same equipment are doing well with it.

Let's keep working on a solution guys. We have some good info to get started with.

Willie, thanks for your post. Sorry that Kyle is so discouraged. At least tell him we are working on something for next season.

Spec should be 17.5 is lipo No 13.5 anything
You should still have the brushed combo Spec motor and spec packs
You should have enough to run them in 2 different groups for Qualifiers
13.5 should be gone in spec all together. Most pl that have that can get a 17.5 motor or already have one Heck I will do this if it helps I will take anybodies Working 13.5 motor on trade and sell them a New 17.5 Novak SS for $55

As far as the Speedo's go No advance timing ones GTB's Havok's older LRP's and No Tekins either Not worth the issue on them to see what setting it is

For Batteries Should b just Like SST

This is a beginner class or a class for some one to run a second class that doesn't want to do 10.5 If I didn't like 10.5 so much I would run Spec but I wont to try and be faster and compete with the Big Boys or Old boys however you want to look at it.

my .03

Spec should be 17.5 is lipo No 13.5 anything
You should still have the brushed combo Spec motor and spec packs
You should have enough to run them in 2 different groups for Qualifiers
13.5 should be gone in spec all together. Most pl that have that can get a 17.5 motor or already have one Heck I will do this if it helps I will take anybodies Working 13.5 motor on trade and sell them a New 17.5 Novak SS for $55

As far as the Speedo's go No advance timing ones GTB's Havok's older LRP's and No Tekins either Not worth the issue on them to see what setting it is

For Batteries Should b just Like SST
The above post really scares me because I agree with EVERYTHING he says. :jest:

We should keep the brushed option available, and maybe allow brushed to run a better battery than the Spec pack IF brushed can't keep up with 17.5/LiPo. The funny thing is that on the dyno, brushed 21T shows more horsepower than 17.5 BL, but on the track (in Legends anyway) they appear to be pretty equal when both use Spec packs. Then in Spec class it looks like 17.5/LiPo is faster than brushed 21T, maybe because the LiPo's higher capacity lets you gear it to the moon? If my data logger shows up tomorrow, I'd like to put it in some of the different flavors of Spec class cars to see if we can explain the performance differences.

... 13.5 is a faster motor than a 17.5. True or False?:confused:

The answer to this is actually a "maybe" because we're comparing a sintered rotor 17.5 with a bonded rotor 13.5. The much stronger sintered rotor makes a huge difference in motor performance.

13.5 at the cellar duke

Hello everyone Bob Stone here...Just found this thread thanks to Duke Bradshaw...I see

there is a lot of conversation about the spec class...First of all I would like to thank

everyone who has helped me out on the carpet with both my spec and sst...You guys

rock!!! I had a blast this past season with the exception of a few items which I will

address here briefly...Let's see I will start with the spec class or should I say

spec-open!!! I bought my car RTR with what I thought was the right equipment for the

rules that were posted...Now I do however understand technology and it's

advancements in our hobby, however it may be, when the rules were designed and

made this item (MMP) was not available. So whoever thought it was cool to come out

and put one in there spec, and smoke the rest of us by 2 to 3 laps not because your a

better driver but because your car would catch even the best of driver. That was silly

not gray...I don't think sneaking the new MMP in your car and trying to get an

advantage was the right move...To me that is cherry picking...If your are running the

same as the fast guys and your still getting beat, chance are your setup might be off or

maybe you just need some more laps under your belt...Either way talk with the other

drivers in your class...If there is one thing I have learned in my 1st year of racing is that

everyone for the most part is willing to help you have FUN and be competitive... :) As

far as the new rules go, I would only like to say that if this is a entry level class...KEEP

IT THAT WAY. Don't tell a new guy that he has to do this, and that and O-bye the way

if you want to be competitive, you need this super speedo and a computer to program

it... As a newbie I would be lost with the whole computer program what....I feel that it

would be way better to push a button a few times and I am off racing and with a few

laps under the belt be able to see the leader instead of being blown away by them. Also

with regards to the 13.5 4cell and the 17.5 1cell. I have personally run against both and

find that yes the 13.5 4cell gets out of the gates faster but buy the time the race

comes to an end you can catch the 13.5 4cell with the 17.5 1cell if you are mistake

free...I lost only due to my inexperience...If this bothers someone I am sorry I speak

only for myself in this aspect...Now on to the SST...The only thing I have to say about

this class is can someone help me get past the bus driver and Duke without getting

duked by 1 of them or both...... ;) Thanks again for everyone's help and I look forward

to the 2010-2011 season...Hope to see you all out at Duke's for some dirt oval racing!!!

Hey Bob!

Thanks for your comments. I'm glad you've had fun this year.

The best way to beat Mel is to go racing on a day he isn't there.:)
I'm not sure how to beat Duke. You may have to bribe someone else in the race.
As it turns out, that usually doesn't work out well for Deano in the 10.5 class.

Hey Bob!

Thanks for your comments. I'm glad you've had fun this year.

The best way to beat Mel is to go racing on a day he isn't there.:)
I'm not sure how to beat Duke. You may have to bribe someone else in the race.
As it turns out, that usually works out well for Deano in the 10.5 class.

the best way to beat Duke is to DREW him:tongue: just ask An drew :wave:

Bob,
It is not likely that you will get by me, Keith, Deno, Brian and Mel have taught me a move that will prevent any such thing from happening, I call it the "East side shuffle"......... it shuffle's you right to the wall!

A big thanks to ALL the East siders for the schooling this year!

My vote is leave the spec class the way it is and add (did I say add?) a Super Spec class which would be 17.5 any speedo, any battrie, any body, spec tires.
That my friends would be the cheepest class you could get into if you were to buy all new stuff to go race with. My vote is in.

Bob,
It is not likely that you will get by me, Keith, Deno, Brian and Mel have taught me a move that will prevent any such thing from happening, I call it the "East side shuffle"......... it shuffle's you right to the wall!

A big thanks to ALL the East siders for the schooling this year!


Bob, There are a coupe of nuance's to go with that "East side Shuffle" you will need to learn also. I like the one that boots you right off the track.
You'll have to ask Duke or myself the other one in person as I can't post it on here.

Bob,
It is not likely that you will get by me, Keith, Deno, Brian and Mel have taught me a move that will prevent any such thing from happening, I call it the "East side shuffle"......... it shuffle's you right to the wall!

A big thanks to ALL the East siders for the schooling this year!

My vote is leave the spec class the way it is and add (did I say add?) a Super Spec class which would be 17.5 any speedo, any battrie, any body, spec tires.
That my friends would be the cheepest class you could get into if you were to buy all new stuff to go race with. My vote is in.

LOL!! East side shuffle??? That is to funny.... Well I guess I will have to put the "West side wall slide" on them then....:wave:

I agree with Duke leave it alone....:dude:

add a Super Spec class which would be ......

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon....

SST IS super spec

Thank you Dave.:)
Adding a class is not out of the realm of possibilities but, I beg you, it can't have two S's in the name. Maybe one "S". We could call it Scott.
Just kiddin' about the Scott thing!:)

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon....

SST IS super spec

I agree Dave

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon....

SST IS super spec

Hey Dave, tell us how you really feel.

Hey Dave, tell us how you really feel.

Spec Open maybe....LOL:rolleyes:

Ok as soon as I get out of work I'm packing thing for tomorrow Will see you guy's at Breakfest Someone save me a pit space Please... thank's

While we are talking about changing things, perhaps we should address the SST (Pancar Class) and SST (Tranny Truck Class) having the same name.

It seems like that always leads to confusion at signup time at both MP and GR.

Ideas? Suggestions?

13.5 TT?
SS Tranny Truck?

Just so everybody knows for the Spring Fling any of the advance timing ESC ARE NOT allowed in Spec Pan Or legends Same goes for Ballistics
SST is the Same rules we have been following 203 Tekins will be checked and if it is used You will be called out as a cheater So Make sure you know what version is on your Tekin



Scott call me

While we are talking about changing things, perhaps we should address the SST (Pancar Class) and SST (Tranny Truck Class) having the same name.

It seems like that always leads to confusion at signup time at both MP and GR.

Ideas? Suggestions?

13.5 TT?
SS Tranny Truck?

Should be called 13.5 truck

Pat your new truck is done and it has the new HERE KITTY KITTY setup in it.

Dave your wheel dots are done.

Fred I am working on your numbers now.

Ray I have your I SUCK stickers for you.