Its looking like the BRL/TOUR is going to go with the same class package as this year for next. . . . the only difference is the new timing-advance technology will be allowed.

As for us, I say we do the same. Keep our classes the same, however allow any body
and or wing for 13.5, 10.5, & up.

Spec- the same

SST- the same

13.5- any esc, any body/wing

10.5- the same

Dave & I are right. I'm sure of it. Do this and we will see new racers from Indiana
and beyond.

What we have in Mt. P. is fantastic! The LESS we change things, the more we will
ALL-HAVE-FUN!

Sparky

Sparky has spoken!

And I'm liking what he's saying!

Finally a second class with open ESC's now i can give up on it for spec!! Iam still going to try it out and see what happens this weekend but ill let it go for next season ill move it up to 13.5 and i dont have to buy another ESC which is sweet!!! But is the 13.5 going to be open motor too??? Just throwing that out there.

But is the 13.5 going to be open motor too???
Yes it would be. The same exact rules package as 10.5, but with a 13.5 motor. It will be about 2 tenths slower than 10.5 in BC or MP. In MP, probably 68 laps TQ opposed to 72 with a 10.5.

It'll be fast dude. Trust me.

LAST MP race, I ran 17.5 LIPO with a GTB, GTB, GTB
Brad ran a SS ESC ,YES a Super sport novak ESC!!!!!!
Terry ran my 13.5 bonded with spec pack
JAMIE LOOK at the results, I ran a 17.5 lipo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO we can go to a mamba, I will run 60 laps
AND I will put a Tekin 203 in a car for Terry so he can get 61

Yes i agree that i need to work on chassi setup alittle more but when i run with in a lap of you but never any closer, then iam just praying that you mess up which doesnt happen often it should be good old fashion side by side racing where its all equal for everyone i only purposed the open esc so the 13.5/4cell guys could keep there stuff and the 17.5/1s people would still have a chance to win some races.

Yes it would be. The same exact rules package as 10.5, but with a 13.5 motor. It will be about 2 tenths slower than 10.5 in BC or MP. In MP, probably 68 laps TQ opposed to 72 with a 10.5.

Okay cool that sounds good iam in for "Open 13.5" next season!!

I just get caught up on all the reading and it is over! I cannot stand it!

A B C D heats = Racing

A = if you want to run with the big dogs buy what they have.

B = You have what they have but lack a little setup.

C = Dam Mark took me out or I would of made the A.

D = I am just starting out this year.

Jamie does deserve my spoon but he is not getting it. I worked very hard for that, with a little help from Scott and Duke.

Jamie does deserve my spoon but he is not getting it. I worked very hard for that, with a little help from Scott and Duke.he needs a mini spoon.

I just get caught up on all the reading and it is over! I cannot stand it!

A B C D heats = Racing

A = if you want to run with the big dogs buy what they have.

B = You have what they have but lack a little setup.

C = Dam Mark took me out or I would of made the A.

D = I am just starting out this year.
Kieth that mentality is long gone. It's how you and I learned, but in an instant gratification society, people would rather just give up than be in the C. If you can't win, then just make a class right?

Its looking like the BRL/TOUR is going to go with the same class package as this year for next. . . . the only difference is the new timing-advance technology will be allowed.

As for us, I say we do the same. Keep our classes the same, however allow any body
and or wing for 13.5, 10.5, & up.

Spec- the same

SST- the same

13.5- any esc, any body/wing

10.5- the same

Dave & I are right. I'm sure of it. Do this and we will see new racers from Indiana
and beyond.

What we have in Mt. P. is fantastic! The LESS we change things, the more we will
ALL-HAVE-FUN!

Sparky

You can't be serious about having the two classes (13.5 and 10.5 ) run at the same track...are you?

I think running 13.5 at BC would be great. Perfect motor for that track. At MP and GR I think the 10.5 is the best choice. Maybe even 7.5 at GR. I think that if we try and have those two classes run at the same track we will see the same thing that happened with COT at the beginning of this past season.

he needs a mini spoon.

Didnt mean to rough any feathers just telling it how it is. But the fact of the matter is Racknor is the one and only spoon-man but i can be his trusty sidekick....LOL!! And ill let him keep the trophy........for now anyway.

You can't be serious about having the two classes (13.5 and 10.5 ) run at the same track...are you?

I think running 13.5 at BC would be great. Perfect motor for that track. At MP and GR I think the 10.5 is the best choice. Maybe even 7.5 at GR. I think that if we try and have those two classes run at the same track we will see the same thing that happened with COT at the beginning of this past season.

Ditto!

1) How many guys are going to run 10.5 next year.......
2) How many guys are going to run 7.5 next year.......
3) How many guys running 10.5 and 7.5 come off the drivers stand with perma grin, can't see from all the tears, shaking from head to toe from the adrenalin and lets not forget that the top 8 cars are separated by 3 seconds over a 4 min race from the best most competitive racing in the universe since the inception of pan cars, yes the SST class.

Now you can say it is because of this and that but I know it is because the cars are not ballistic, there are just enough rules to not scare anyone from coming in to the class and the high end drivers don't cherry pick the class (except Keith and then he also gets to pick which heat he wants to run in).

I see that there is some issues with this deal about to many classes and I see that in the carpet world everyone thinks this should be a long standing tradition.....maybe so.....I like traditions.....how 'bout the tradition of slowing it up a little, 13.5 instead of 10.5 and watch what happens to the class......like maybe it will turn into like what happen in like the SST class (like the best class going).
10 to 1 it grows and more guys will get in to it and Greg, Keith, Dave, Ray, Walter (well maybe not Walter) and others will have to fight it out to make the A, what a trip that would be.

I will run what ever you guys decide to go with but........ It should be about competition first and foremost not running 70 laps at a track the size for GR.....have a mod class for that....oops....I did not mean to add, really.


Your local Carpet Oval supporter,
Duke Bradshaw.

1) How many guys are going to run 10.5 next year.......
2) How many guys are going to run 7.5 next year.......
3) How many guys running 10.5 and 7.5 come off the drivers stand with perma grin, can't see from all the tears, shaking from head to toe from the adrenalin and lets not forget that the top 8 cars are separated by 3 seconds over a 4 min race from the best most competitive racing in the universe since the inception of pan cars, yes the SST class.

Now you can say it is because of this and that but I know it is because the cars are not ballistic, there are just enough rules to not scare anyone from coming in to the class and the high end drivers don't cherry pick the class (except Keith and then he also gets to pick which heat he wants to run in).

I see that there is some issues with this deal about to many classes and I see that in the carpet world everyone thinks this should be a long standing tradition.....maybe so.....I like traditions.....how 'bout the tradition of slowing it up a little, 13.5 instead of 10.5 and watch what happens to the class......like maybe it will turn into like what happen in like the SST class (like the best class going).
10 to 1 it grows and more guys will get in to it and Greg, Keith, Dave, Ray, Walter (well maybe not Walter) and others will have to fight it out to make the A, what a trip that would be.

I will run what ever you guys decide to go with but........ It should be about competition first and foremost not running 70 laps at a track the size for GR.....have a mod class for that....oops....I did not mean to add, really.


Your local Carpet Oval supporter,
Duke Bradshaw.


Duke, I have no problem with running 13.5 (it'll be as fast as 10.5 was at the start of this season). The part I don't think will work is trying to have 2 classes with exactly the same rules, except a different motor. I personnaly don't see the point. It's not like the 10.5 is that much faster than 13.5. The benifit of 13.5 would shine on tracks like BC where it would be more controllable. But side by side it's not an earth shattering difference.

I think for those who want 2 different classes then we should be looking at 13.5 for the slower class and 7.5 or open mod for the fast class. I would run the 2 classes if this was the case...but not if it's 10.5 and 13.5...just don't see the point.

RC

Duke, I have no problem with running 13.5 (it'll be as fast as 10.5 was at the start of this season). The part I don't think will work is trying to have 2 classes with exactly the same rules, except a different motor. I personnaly don't see the point. It's not like the 10.5 is that much faster than 13.5. The benifit of 13.5 would shine on tracks like BC where it would be more controllable. But side by side it's not an earth shattering difference.

I think for those who want 2 different classes then we should be looking at 13.5 for the slower class and 7.5 or open mod for the fast class. I would run the 2 classes if this was the case...but not if it's 10.5 and 13.5...just don't see the point.

RC


I like the idea of 13.5 and open... that makes sense.

I am mainly looking at what would happen to the 10.5 class going to 13.5 motors.....I believe there will be more guys picking the class up and the competition will be closer.

I like the idea of 13.5 and open... that makes sense.

I am mainly looking at what would happen to the 10.5 class going to 13.5 motors.....I believe there will be more guys picking the class up and the competition will be closer.


I believe you are right that a few guys will add the 13.5 class. That would be great to see.


RC

I like the speed of 10.5. I personally would rather not switch.

I like the speed of 10.5. I personally would rather not switch.
Yeah, what he said.

Ray have you run 7.5 with the mamba? It's pretty insane. I did last time we were in GR. Half the time my car was off the ground going into turn 1.
But, if it happens, I'll run it.

Yeah, what he said.

Ray have you run 7.5 with the mamba? It's pretty insane. I did last time we were in GR. Half the time my car was off the ground going into turn 1.If you want, I can cut you out a wing that i use on some smaller planes...then you could fly around the track:) LOL
But, if it happens, I'll run it.


Hi Dave,

No I have not. But if we were going to introduce a second class with identical rules except for the motor, then I would rather see 13.5 and 7.5 instead of 13.5 and 10.5. I don't see a big difference between with 13.5 and 10.5 at least not on the MP or GR track. In BC I think the 13.5 would be perfect.

I think the suggestion that Jeremy made would be great..

13.5 - BC
10.5 - MP
7.5 or 10.5 - GR

Just to be clear....I too like the speeds of the 10.5 so I am not pushing to change that. I just don't see the point of having 10.5 and 13.5 running at the same track. But I do like the idea of the 13.5 being run at BC.

However, I also understand that some guys would rather just have an open rule 13.5 class to run in if they want to move up from, or run in addtion to, the SST class.

Personally, I dont think there would be enough difference in speed between SST and 13.5 "open" to make it worth while.

Look at what happened to COT - Wasnt SST within a lap?

I do agree that perhaps 13.5 might be better at BC.

I'm open to having an open class too.

Fred could start charging spectators to see cars that fly! :)

Personally, I dont think there would be enough difference in speed between SST and 13.5 "open" to make it worth while.

Look at what happened to COT - Wasnt SST within a lap?

I do agree that perhaps 13.5 might be better at BC.

I'm open to having an open class too.

Fred could start charging spectators to see cars that fly! :)

This is true before the speedo change Jan 1.

Things have changed a bit with the event of the faster speedo's, wouldn't you agree?

I'm open to having an open class too.


There's always an "open" class. We talked about running mod a few times and not enough wanted to.

I think there would be a big difference between SSt, 13.5 and 10.5. I bet it would be 4 laps each.
It works good in Indiana. Some run 13.5, some run 10.5 and some run both. They don't have SST. I want to run 2 classes sometimes. The only thing I can do now is run 10.5 and SST. I see people talking about "cherry picking". Well.......... what choice do we have if we want to run 2 classes? I just can't sit there between rounds at MP. It drives me crazy.

I'm not being argumentative, just trying to get a point across.

I wish you guys would hurry up and make a decision for next year. I need to start saving money for a new motor.

Jamie maybe there will be a trophy for you this weekend for being rookie of the year for spoon master??????

There's always an "open" class. We talked about running mod a few times and not enough wanted to.

I think there would be a big difference between SSt, 13.5 and 10.5. I bet it would be 4 laps each.
It works good in Indiana. Some run 13.5, some run 10.5 and some run both. They don't have SST. I want to run 2 classes sometimes. The only thing I can do now is run 10.5 and SST. I see people talking about "cherry picking". Well.......... what choice do we have if we want to run 2 classes? I just can't sit there between rounds at MP. It drives me crazy.

I'm not being argumentative, just trying to get a point across.

You need to go back to the old Dave where you worked on your shit so much we could count on you being sideways in the first corner. Now we worry about being lapped by you! I want the old Dave back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need to start saving money for a new motor.



Like you don't have every motor ever produced? Did you get my email?

Does anybody have a 17.5 spec car I can borrow this weekend? If so Jeremy I will need one of your batteries.

I am planning on being like my hero Rick R. this weekend. 10.5, Spec, SST, Legends and anything else I can borrow from someone.

Keith, I think we could put you in every class they run at MP. Are YOU
ready, I would pay to see that.

Keith, I think we could put you in every class they run at MP. Are YOU
ready, I would pay to see that.

Those other classes don't stir stuff up on here so what fun would that be?

There's always an "open" class. We talked about running mod a few times and not enough wanted to.

I think there would be a big difference between SSt, 13.5 and 10.5. I bet it would be 4 laps each.
It works good in Indiana. Some run 13.5, some run 10.5 and some run both. They don't have SST. I want to run 2 classes sometimes. The only thing I can do now is run 10.5 and SST. I see people talking about "cherry picking". Well.......... what choice do we have if we want to run 2 classes? I just can't sit there between rounds at MP. It drives me crazy.

I'm not being argumentative, just trying to get a point across.

That is what I am talkin' about.....a second class! or 13.5 and open! That is the question and who will make the decission! You watch the decission will be made this fall leaving all of us just guessing!!! Keith, what are you voting for?????????

The comment about cherry picking was not to offend anyone, if so my apology, That was good racing with you at MP when you snuck past Mel and I for the win or was that when we took each other out of contention and you stole the win from us!!!!:)

Here is just what I am thinking.

13.5 at Bay City and Mount Pleasant

10.5 at Grand Rapids or who knows maybe 13.5?

Keith I am going to switch my CEFEX car over to a 17.5....you can try that out if you want.
The spec guys wount mind will they?.... a 17.5 Fantom motor, CEFEX chassis, Fantom 5000 50c Batt and lets not forget the Mamba Max Pro that is in it!

I have a box full of 17.5's to chose from and one set of tires will last 15 race days!
Talk about keeping the cost out of racing.

I've got a device ordered that will record battery volts, amps, and motor RPM during a race. Assuming it shows up before the weekend, I'm looking for volunteers to run it in their cars. For 1s LiPo pan cars, the car will need to be using a booster or a 4-5 cell NiCad receiver pack (a 2s LiPo RX pack is too high of a voltage).

Keith I am going to switch my CEFEX car over to a 17.5....you can try that out if you want.
The spec guys wount mind will they?.... a 17.5 Fantom motor, CEFEX chassis, Fantom 5000 50c Batt and lets not forget the Mamba Max Pro that is in it!

I have a box full of 17.5's to chose from and one set of tires will last 15 race days!
Talk about keeping the cost out of racing.

You run it Duke and see if you can keep up with the other cars.

It is important to get the classes figured out before next fall.
Spec will probably stay the same with the exception of the Jayme O'Reilly Factor.
No "super speedos" in any spec class.
SST is a spec class. So you know what that means... No super speedos.

A 'faster' 13.5 class MIGHT be appealing to those that want to buy one of the super speedos and a bunch of tires.

I am impressed with the way you guys are discussing these issues.
It's very mature without all the name calling and other such attacks that usually come with this sort of discussion on HT.

:)

The comment about cherry picking was not to offend anyone, if so my apology, That was good racing with you at MP when you snuck past Mel and I for the win or was that when we took each other out of contention and you stole the win from us!!!!:)

I wasn't offended Duke. If I was, you would know.
Come to MP and you'll get your chance to steal it back.

I've got a device ordered that will record battery volts, amps, and motor RPM during a race. Assuming it shows up before the weekend, I'm looking for volunteers to run it in their cars. For 1s LiPo pan cars, the car will need to be using a booster or a 4-5 cell NiCad receiver pack (a 2s LiPo RX pack is too high of a voltage).
See me at the beg. of the day Kevin. I'll try it out. How much does it weigh?

Dave - It weighs less than an ounce. It plugs in between the battery and the ESC, assuming you're using Deans connectors. (Deans brand, not Greg's.:lol:) The brushless RPM is an additional cable with one wire going to the motor.

Hey folks anybody got a Ballistic 13.5 motor or Stator I want to run it in y 10.5 car this weekend and see what I can do with it

Also I will have the gold bullet style battery connectors there as well as the T-type IE Deans plugs with grips $15 for 10 pair any combination

If anybody needs anything Please LMK I would like to move some product so I have stuff for the Spring Fling BTW which is May 1st Oval and May 2nd Road Course
Track size Might be 60X90 Not real sure yet The only way to know for sure will be The Warm up race on the 18th

I will have Flyers to hand out at MP and for ppl to take to BC

Thanks for all your support this year

It is important to get the classes figured out before next fall.
Spec will probably stay the same with the exception of the Jayme O'Reilly Factor.
No "super speedos" in any spec class.
SST is a spec class. So you know what that means... No super speedos.

A 'faster' 13.5 class MIGHT be appealing to those that want to buy one of the super speedos and a bunch of tires.

I am impressed with the way you guys are discussing these issues.
It's very mature without all the name calling and other such attacks that usually come with this sort of discussion on HT.

:)
I'm in favor of a 13.5 class at GR, most of us already have a super speedo.

It is important to get the classes figured out before next fall.
Spec will probably stay the same with the exception of the Jayme O'Reilly Factor.
No "super speedos" in any spec class.
SST is a spec class. So you know what that means... No super speedos.

A 'faster' 13.5 class MIGHT be appealing to those that want to buy one of the super speedos and a bunch of tires.

I am impressed with the way you guys are discussing these issues.
It's very mature without all the name calling and other such attacks that usually come with this sort of discussion on HT.

:)


What do you think we are Scott.......a bunch of ameture discusser's?
We are professional discussers, discussing the very fragile future of our hobby, acting like adults, having good conversations back and forth, very civilized I might add. (You are right, I am im pressed too!)

The spec 17.5 and SST good call there.

NOW, the ever more pressing issue....what to do with the non-spec class or will it be classes! (I like the idea of classes, more than one open speedo class) Who is going decide this? Will I miss out on the debate at MP? That will bum me out.:cry:

If we make 13.5 and 10.5 a class, we will just decide what to run each week. BC is a definite 13.5 track. GR an MP could be 10.5. We don't have to say that's the rules, just enter whatever you want. We all will iron out what we are running each week on here like we used to. It's either/or or both. Seems kindof dumb to have 13.5 and SST, but 13.5 will be open speedo, which will be a lot different than sst.

Duke, screw the dirt stuff this weekend, just go to MP.

If we make 13.5 and 10.5 a class, we will just decide what to run each week. BC is a definite 13.5 track. GR an MP could be 10.5. We don't have to say that's the rules, just enter whatever you want. We all will iron out what we are running each week on here like we used to. It's either/or or both. Seems kindof dumb to have 13.5 and SST, but 13.5 will be open speedo, which will be a lot different than sst.

Duke, screw the dirt stuff this weekend, just go to MP.open speedo and tires should be worth a couple of laps or more. the open body should help as well and what about wings oops thats rays dept. sorry ray.

If we make 13.5 and 10.5 a class, we will just decide what to run each week. BC is a definite 13.5 track. GR an MP could be 10.5. We don't have to say that's the rules, just enter whatever you want. We all will iron out what we are running each week on here like we used to. It's either/or or both. Seems kindof dumb to have 13.5 and SST, but 13.5 will be open speedo, which will be a lot different than sst.

Duke, screw the dirt stuff this weekend, just go to MP.

I am trying to figure how to pull it off, back to back might put my wife over the edge.

I am sorry to see the carpet season end so soon my self, this carpet deal has got a hold of me BIG TIME!

open speedo and tires should be worth a couple of laps or more. the open body should help as well and what about wings oops thats rays dept. sorry ray.

Yeah Wings!!! I want to run a Wing for "Open 13.5" if they decide to run it i dont know about the "pick of the week" between a 13.5 or 10.5 motor thats just alittle much changing motors every week. Just make both 10.5 and 13.5 and see what happens next year if it goes away like COT then you will have any extra SST motor and ESC for 10.5 since 10.5 will stay.

.......

I am impressed with the way you guys are discussing these issues.
It's very mature without all the name calling and other such attacks that usually come with this sort of discussion on HT.

:)


Ohh I'm sorry, I forgot to call Keith and Greg a couple of whinny SOB's:):wave:

I think it's much more entertaining when there's some name calling...or at least when it's directed at Laurel and Hardy. :tongue:

Yeah Wings!!! I want to run a Wing for "Open 13.5" if they decide to run it i dont know about the "pick of the week" between a 13.5 or 10.5 motor thats just alittle much changing motors every week. Just make both 10.5 and 13.5 and see what happens next year if it goes away like COT then you will have any extra SST motor and ESC for 10.5 since 10.5 will stay.ya it's alot of work to unsolder 3 wires and to undo the sensor wires. whew i'm tired just typing all of that.:confused::confused::confused:

ya it's alot of work to unsolder 3 wires and to undo the sensor wires. whew i'm tired just typing all of that.:confused::confused::confused:

Iam talking ESC setup. Every motor and batt combo has its sweet spot finding it once is hard enough now doing it with two motors and then chassi setup adding more speed will change a cars handeling and then your going back and forth between setups. Thats what i was saying:thumbsup:

Will not stay the 10.5, replaced by the 13.5 it will.

Racing and competition for the better results will be.

Patients.....young Skywalker.:thumbsup:

ya it's alot of work to unsolder 3 wires and to undo the sensor wires. whew i'm tired just typing all of that.:confused::confused::confused:


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